By now most of us know that StormPay and NetIBA were incorporated by the SAME person. Mr. John McConnell Jr is the registered agent, the principal officer, and the customer service contact of NetIBA. This man is also the registered agent of Stormpay. Steven Girsky is the CEO and Customer Service contact for StormPay. You can see my previous post on this at http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/stormpa...ts-t425180.html (post #5).

Interestingly, these two men are also neighbors. From The State of Tennesee Comptroller of the Treasury, Real Estate Assessment Data website (http://170.142.31.248/ParcelList.asp or go to http://170.142.31.248/SelectCounty.asp?map...electCounty=063 and type Shadowbend in the Property Address Box):

MCCONNELL JOHN R
ETUX DEBORAH K
EDITED (to get the unedited address, follow the directions above)
CLARKSVILLE , TN 37043
EDITED (to get the unedited phone #, go to www.whitepages.com and type in John McConnell)

This is where John lives. From the data you can see he lives in a 2 story, 3,012 sq ft home he bought for $266,000. He also owns 4981 and 4990 Shadowbend (both plots of land).

From the same site:
GIRSKY STEVEN C
ETUX CAROL L
EDITED (to get the unedited address, follow the directions above)
CLARKSVILLE , TN 37043
EDITED (to get the unedited phone #, go to www.whitepages.com and type in Steven Girsky)

Steven lives in a 2 story, 3,692 sq ft home he bought for $250,000.

According to google maps: Map Link, they live 168 ft apart; it takes about 4 seconds to get from one house to the other.

Before filing a complaint with the BBB about StormPay, one should contact Steven Girsky at (the phone number is provided by the BBB at: http://data.middletennessee.bbb.org/common...tml?bid=2146166:
EDITED
CLARKSVILLE, TN, 37043
EDITED

If you have a complaint about NetIBA, before filing with the BBB, you should contact John McConnell at EDITED . (Although this number has been edited out, it is a matter of public record provided by the BBB at this link: http://data.middletennessee.bbb.org/common...ml?bid=37017113. If you reverse search this number at www.whitepages.com, you find it belongs to NetIBA at EDITED .

Who owns EDITED (the NetIBA address that was edited out) you ask? This 2 story, 6,068 sq ft, 30 office building is owned by John R. Mcconnell! Imagine that!

No, you're not seeing double, NetIBA is at the same address as StormPay, in the building owned by John McConnell. The only difference is the phone number.

My question: is it legal to call a business owner at home? Of course, you are almost certain to lose your account, rather than get anything resolved so I wouldn't recommend it! Additionally, according to the BBB, Steven Girsky is a lawyer working for Batson, Nolan, Brice, Harvey, & Williamson. However, Steven Girsky is not listed on their web page: www.bnbwg.com. Nor is he listed as a member of the Tennesee Bar Association. I don't dare speculate on this and anyone else inclined to do so should cease and desist!

Looking back at the Tennesee property records, I looked up S. Third St to see who owns the building where Steven is/was a lawyer. It's owned by BNBWG Realty. Hmm, Could those letters stand for Batson, Nolan, Brice, Williamson, & Girsky? Doing a search on google tells me I am correct. However, the BBB doesn't have a record of this company and the address is the same address as the attorney's office address. I guess BNBWG Realty doesn't do much business?

Want to see a picture of Steven Girsky? http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2558419_1?noconfirm=0

Finally, according to the BBB, Stormpay has "an unsatisfactory record due to a pattern of complaints received. In the past 36 months, the company has received complaints specifically concerning the company's failure to inform and follow up with its customers when it suspends accounts, failure to release funds in a timely manner and failure to resolve complaints directly with company management. The company has responded to each complaint presented by BBB. However, the company has not eliminated the pattern of complaint. The BBB Definition of pattern: - More than 2 complaints involving the same allegations usually within 12 months that are significant in relation to the company's size and volume of business. YTD 2006, the company has received 8 complaints; in 2005, the company received 49 complaints; in 2004, the company received 6 complaints.

In comparison, PayPal has a satisfactory record. To see the definition of satisfactory: http://www.bbbsilicon.org/commonreport.html?bid=210387

The proof is in the pudding folks. For all practical purposes, StormPay and NetIBA are the same company. Don't be ripped off by them!

Additionally, If you are desperate to contact StormPay or it's owner, I believe you can find enough information here to do so. You might have to think outside the box a bit though.

All the information provided here is a matter of public record. I have provided the links where you can find the same information for yourself. Being a web researcher, I know where to look for these kinds of things.

Good luck & be careful out there!

*Moderators Note*
Personal Information has been edited.

Author's note - I respect the moderator's authority to edit out sensitive information. I have not replaced the information, but have provided additional links to where this information is publicly available.

This post has been edited by Mystery: Feb 17 2006, 11:24 PM

Geez Louise! Good job, Mystery.

I feel that I owe mirrormask an apology. I thought he was a nut-job. Turns out he was absolutely right.

So, for what it's worth, mirrormask - I'm sorry. Let the "I told ya so"s begin!

Geez a lot of people come to his house and beat HIM UP

You should not posted people personal information. How do you feel if you that person.

Mods Please close this topic!! BEFORE EX GPF member will convice a serious like a MURDER

wE DON'T want to see any gpf member go to PRISON or sentence to dealth penalty

Thanks cmbrewer. I just hope to keep anyone from being scammed or wasting their money. I feel bad for anyone that has already lost money & for PO's that have been forced into making the SP or no SP choice.

I believe in the truth and felt I should share what I found.

You cant hide anything on the internet.

Like I said in my post, all that information is public record, meaning anyone can find it on the web, they just have to look.

However, if the mods want me to remove the exact addresses and phone numbers, I will gladly edit my post.

I am not worried about people coming to my house or calling me because I have not done anything like SP has.

If a member of this forum is disturbed enough to commit murder that is very sad. However, that person could find the same information on their own. I am not responsible for other's actions.

The only reason I posted the addresses was to prove they were neighbors. I don't advocate visitation or violence! I advocate non-violence. SP can easily learn they are not able to monopolize the market or manipulate us if we don't let them. We simply do not use them.

Probably no use of calling those guys unless we can get their cell #'s...they are probably inthe Bahamas or somewhere.

I live under a rock so I don't know what StormPay did?

Can anyone save me time and provide a link that tells me this?

Thanks all

Well well lots of research Mystery gr8 job.

This does it, Im bothering my PO of my site to have him remove my stormclix information as soon as he can.

I hope all of you weallgetpaid.net members can forgive me for using up some of his limited time but I have no way of getting rid of it myself only he can and as you have been reading and those that now me this is not a site we should be supporting.

Lets see theyve done a bunch of things, the most recent being telling the autosurfs to either only use them or you are under investigation for being a ponzi and you cant use the money thats in your account.

Thats the but of the recent thing right?


Also another somewhat recent thing is the whole NetIBA not being NetIBA according to the people mentioned In Mysterys post but clearly they are. And NetIBA certifies what actually not really a worthwhile certification except for lower stormpay fees and more stormclixs. BTW NetIBA only allows stormpay.

Theres more like the fact they are under investigation from tennessee for something to do with a ponzi site a little while back. No tennesseens can have a stormpay account b/c of this.

First, they asked all "comission based business models" to use only SP or drop it. Then they froze most of autosurf/hyip accounts. They claim it's because of illegal ponzi schemes. Of course, technically it's true that most autosurfs are ponzi schemes BUt they were supposed to contact their owners first and ask them to explain their business model - and they didn't, even though they claimed it themselves. Some think that's because of credit card chargebacks everyone was doing when they lost money in HYIPs, so now SP could be in massive debt (possible reason they start all freezing thing just now?)

Don't forget to mention that they were delaying for quite some time payments to at least one of the autosurf sites (12dp). And now they don't have to pay...now they have 180 days the time to keep advantage from that money they owe to others.

yes, I knew it... and people were so rude to me when I mentioned that Netiba was owned by same person as ST, and possible it was scam... I never used ST for my website, and I"m glad I didn't...

I thought it was old news that they were owned by the same person/persons.

Heck, I'm not all that bright and I figured it out when NetIba came out.

There's not a short answer to that question. But as druth8x stated, StormPay told all PO's that if they wanted to use StormPay then they could not use any other payment processor besides StormPay.

Another recent occurence has to do with 12dp. Here's a good link describing that:
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?showtopic=44207.