I've worked hard for the past year, even with a gold membership (with few referrals that go up and down), why should i have to wait so long to be paid? And i noticed that the home page says no unpaid mails sent, my but there seems to be alot lately sent unpaid.
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Is it me or is there way to many changes going on right now with mikespaid4emails? I've been patient with the many server changes (or at least try since my patience is running on the thin side), the payout changes, and whatever else has come along, but this change in terms to have to wait up to 3 months to be paid is a little much. I've worked hard for the past year, even with a gold membership (with few referrals that go up and down), why should i have to wait so long to be paid? And i noticed that the home page says no unpaid mails sent, my but there seems to be alot lately sent unpaid.
I've worked hard for the past year, even with a gold membership (with few referrals that go up and down), why should i have to wait so long to be paid? And i noticed that the home page says no unpaid mails sent, my but there seems to be alot lately sent unpaid.
Wellll, in Mike's defense, there were many people griping that if they have to wait for 3 months for payout, then it should be in the terms. So now that he DID add it to the terms (temporarily, I might add), I see many will still complain. 
No matter what the guy does, he will never make you all happy
No matter what the guy does, he will never make you all happy
I Feel the same way you do. with all the changes to the payouts means that when i eventually reach payout i will most likely never end up getting the check. why cant mike just use Paypal Etc. and leave it the way it was. I Am still happy with the site it is that i just dont like the fact that i cant get paid out the way i want to be paid out. and that 3 month thing is BS i mean you could earn $10 or more in that time. I Hope that mike does the right thing for the sites sake.
QUOTE (aazaa @ Oct 12 2003, 09:27 PM)
I Feel the same way you do. with all the changes to the payouts means that when i eventually reach payout i will most likely never end up getting the check. why cant mike just use Paypal Etc. and leave it the way it was. I Am still happy with the site it is that i just dont like the fact that i cant get paid out the way i want to be paid out. and that 3 month thing is BS i mean you could earn $10 or more in that time. I Hope that mike does the right thing for the sites sake.
FYI, mike does pay with Paypal, if you have a verified account, along with Stormpay. It will not be like this forever, they are doing their damndest to get caught back up, and once they do, it will go back to payout within 30 days.
Getting caught up? If all yhe server changes hadn't of happened, maybe they wouldn't be behind. I never seen anything wrong with the server he was originally on. At least it didn't slow down like the rest of the changes did. And in 3 months you can earn at least that and then some if you do the paid to clicks.
Well What if you dont have a verified paypal account and are unable to get a credit card to verify it.
QUOTE (mscandi2869 @ Oct 12 2003, 10:12 PM)
Getting caught up? If all yhe server changes hadn't of happened, maybe they wouldn't be behind. I never seen anything wrong with the server he was originally on. At least it didn't slow down like the rest of the changes did. And in 3 months you can earn at least that and then some if you do the paid to clicks.
The server he was originally on, was hosted by Jay, and that was all getting shut down when all that crap happened with Jay...so everybody HAD to move.
QUOTE (shayna30 @ Oct 13 2003, 09:25 AM)
Wellll, in Mike's defense, there were many people griping that if they have to wait for 3 months for payout, then it should be in the terms. So now that he DID add it to the terms (temporarily, I might add), I see many will still complain.
No matter what the guy does, he will never make you all happy
No matter what the guy does, he will never make you all happy
Perhaps
But in the end its just another example of the owners changing the rules on the fly with the sacred TOS that many seem to regard as highly as the Holy Bible itself.
Apparently behind and can't pay the members for their earned money so simply change the terms to 90 days or "reasonable" time thereafter, and tell the members essentially tough, you just have to wait, and then the email ends in the usual line "thanks for reading"
Otherwords thanks members and advertisers for your support, but I can't pay you right now, so to stop the whining about the terms of service stating 30 days, as the owner all I have to do is change it now to 90, make it all encompassing and retro, so you members will now quit your whining. Like doing so makes it right.
Takes a lot of nerve IMHO. Apparently many have complained about the late payments and pointing to the terms, so what does he do. Tells them because of the complaints regarding the 30 days, I have changed it to 90 now so shut the heck up!! And also adds by the way or reasonable time thereafter. Whats reasonable to the members might not be to him and vice versa. He may think an additional 90 pays past the first 90 to be "reasonable" and there isnt anything anyone can do about it.
Sad part is that he knows those that have accumulated earnings and especially those approaching the high payout rate to begin with, will keep their mouths shut and keep on clicking in fear of loosing it all.
Just another example of abuse to the members, and taking advantage of the situation, knowing full well that most will stick around and tolerate it for fear of loosing what they have accomplished to date.
I wonder if we can do the power company this way, or the bank we owe the money for our homes or cars? Sorry, but we are behind right now and will start making payments in 90 days or so.
What if your employer told you this at your real job, and to expect your money in the next 3 months or so, but you keep showing up for work now or your fired.
Just waiting for someone to now tell me that this GPTR stuff is just a hobby and quit being so uptight, and that we agreed to the TOS, so quit griping, and then sympathize with the owners.
Thats it in a nutshell.
i'm not going to make any excuses here. i am fully aware that we are essentially responsible for all our business dealings.
however, we were badly scammed starting in april with jay's hosting. he was nowhere to be found and his servers were down. we had no way whatsoever for several months to access our sites and continue business as usual. this man nearly put us out of business for good. before being lied to and robbed by this habitual criminal ... we were making all payouts as per our 30 day terms. it would have been soooo much easier to close up shop and run.
we were literally forced to obtain our own servers at great expense, simply to keep our site intact. then, our server crashed and we lost two weeks of data. by request from those doubting us, john kindly came here to explain the situation and took partial responsibility.
yes ... we are late on our payments. i have read multiple complaints that ptre sites should not state you will be paid in 30 days if that is not the case. being realistic, we have TEMPORARILY changed our terms to reflect our current payout time. i think this is the right thing to do until we are paying at 30 days once again. we are simply trying to make an honest representation.
as a matter of fact, we have several thousand dollars in vupay at the moment available for payouts. mike has been emailing each person based on their redemption date to ask if they will accept this form of payment. frankly, we cannot even give this money away. we cannot transfer it to paypal unless vupay obtains paypal funds to accomodate this. (which happens rarely.) we can withdraw that money and deposit it into our bank account, but as we are in canada ... paypal will not allow us to transfer funds from our bank account to paypal. if we offer check or money order to those first in line, the response is the same. 'no thanks, i'll wait for paypal.'
income is picking up again, and we are continuing to pay our members ... even if it is late. i understand the anger many of you are feeling and cannot blame you for that. but, we are not taking the easy way out. we value our business and we aren't going anywhere. this is the best we can offer. so many of you are enraged. instead of beating me bloody at this forum, why don't you all pool together and file suit? if you feel we are such thieves and scammers, why not take action?
slamming me while i'm keeping you all informed as to what's happening now and what will happen in the future will not expediate your payments.
however, we were badly scammed starting in april with jay's hosting. he was nowhere to be found and his servers were down. we had no way whatsoever for several months to access our sites and continue business as usual. this man nearly put us out of business for good. before being lied to and robbed by this habitual criminal ... we were making all payouts as per our 30 day terms. it would have been soooo much easier to close up shop and run.
we were literally forced to obtain our own servers at great expense, simply to keep our site intact. then, our server crashed and we lost two weeks of data. by request from those doubting us, john kindly came here to explain the situation and took partial responsibility.
yes ... we are late on our payments. i have read multiple complaints that ptre sites should not state you will be paid in 30 days if that is not the case. being realistic, we have TEMPORARILY changed our terms to reflect our current payout time. i think this is the right thing to do until we are paying at 30 days once again. we are simply trying to make an honest representation.
as a matter of fact, we have several thousand dollars in vupay at the moment available for payouts. mike has been emailing each person based on their redemption date to ask if they will accept this form of payment. frankly, we cannot even give this money away. we cannot transfer it to paypal unless vupay obtains paypal funds to accomodate this. (which happens rarely.) we can withdraw that money and deposit it into our bank account, but as we are in canada ... paypal will not allow us to transfer funds from our bank account to paypal. if we offer check or money order to those first in line, the response is the same. 'no thanks, i'll wait for paypal.'
income is picking up again, and we are continuing to pay our members ... even if it is late. i understand the anger many of you are feeling and cannot blame you for that. but, we are not taking the easy way out. we value our business and we aren't going anywhere. this is the best we can offer. so many of you are enraged. instead of beating me bloody at this forum, why don't you all pool together and file suit? if you feel we are such thieves and scammers, why not take action?
slamming me while i'm keeping you all informed as to what's happening now and what will happen in the future will not expediate your payments.
Pool resources and inititate a class action lawsuit?
What good would it do? In the first place if people had the money to do so they wouldn't be participating in these type of programs for peanuts anyway. Secondly it's doubtful that many program owners have sufficient income, capitol etc to even interest a legal firm to begin with.
If anything is to ever be done with the scams of this nature on the net, and the abuse of membership it is going to have to be done thru state and federal agencies that show some interest, as well as governmental bodies perhaps such as the IRS and others.
The scam artist rely on the simple fact that currently there is little if any regulation or interest in all this type of activity thus the continual abuse and fraud.
I am not saying that Mikes program is a scam. Personally I dont think that. But you still change the terms and rules as you go along to benefit you the owners and the members who made you simply have to wait, and keep on clicking and participating to even have a hope of collecting what they have worked so many hours for, and the fact an owner has acknowledged their problems and shortage of funds doesnt make it any easier to swallow.
Every day there is another scam, another site to go poof in the nite, another hack, another illness of program owner, and an endless serious of excuses and appologies. Anymore its a given, and sadly a lot of participants take it as part of doing business and more often than not sympathize with the owners because a year ago they got a small payout.
One would think that many the many owners continually hit with the hacks or scams themselves would at some point in time investigate perhaps just whom they are placing their business with and that of their members earnings. You know like who is this person responsible for our servers etc etc etc.
Maybe Mikes will survive. Maybe they will catch up in time. Frankly I hope you do. But if you do it will again be with the understanding and with the patience of the "MEMBERS" who belong to your program and helped make it what it is.
You might try to be more understanding when you post your updates etc, your accusations toward a few or mere handful of cheaters who try to abuse the system etc etc. Sometimes you have had an "attitude" with your members like they owe you so much as well. The members made you and you should try and remember that along the way.
What good would it do? In the first place if people had the money to do so they wouldn't be participating in these type of programs for peanuts anyway. Secondly it's doubtful that many program owners have sufficient income, capitol etc to even interest a legal firm to begin with.
If anything is to ever be done with the scams of this nature on the net, and the abuse of membership it is going to have to be done thru state and federal agencies that show some interest, as well as governmental bodies perhaps such as the IRS and others.
The scam artist rely on the simple fact that currently there is little if any regulation or interest in all this type of activity thus the continual abuse and fraud.
I am not saying that Mikes program is a scam. Personally I dont think that. But you still change the terms and rules as you go along to benefit you the owners and the members who made you simply have to wait, and keep on clicking and participating to even have a hope of collecting what they have worked so many hours for, and the fact an owner has acknowledged their problems and shortage of funds doesnt make it any easier to swallow.
Every day there is another scam, another site to go poof in the nite, another hack, another illness of program owner, and an endless serious of excuses and appologies. Anymore its a given, and sadly a lot of participants take it as part of doing business and more often than not sympathize with the owners because a year ago they got a small payout.
One would think that many the many owners continually hit with the hacks or scams themselves would at some point in time investigate perhaps just whom they are placing their business with and that of their members earnings. You know like who is this person responsible for our servers etc etc etc.
Maybe Mikes will survive. Maybe they will catch up in time. Frankly I hope you do. But if you do it will again be with the understanding and with the patience of the "MEMBERS" who belong to your program and helped make it what it is.
You might try to be more understanding when you post your updates etc, your accusations toward a few or mere handful of cheaters who try to abuse the system etc etc. Sometimes you have had an "attitude" with your members like they owe you so much as well. The members made you and you should try and remember that along the way.
i don't see why the terms being changed to 90 days temporarily should be a problem for anybody since we aren't being paid within the 30 day range right now anyways.
I'd rather have it say 90 days than 30 cuz then it's a lot clearer how long it's actually gonna take. There's nothing worse than having to wait that long for your money and you have absolutely no idea what kind of timeframe it's gonna take. At least 90 days is more honest than 30 days.
I'd rather have it say 90 days than 30 cuz then it's a lot clearer how long it's actually gonna take. There's nothing worse than having to wait that long for your money and you have absolutely no idea what kind of timeframe it's gonna take. At least 90 days is more honest than 30 days.
QUOTE (lene @ Oct 14 2003, 06:09 AM)
i don't see why the terms being changed to 90 days temporarily should be a problem for anybody since we aren't being paid within the 30 day range right now anyways.
I'd rather have it say 90 days than 30 cuz then it's a lot clearer how long it's actually gonna take. There's nothing worse than having to wait that long for your money and you have absolutely no idea what kind of timeframe it's gonna take. At least 90 days is more honest than 30 days.
I'd rather have it say 90 days than 30 cuz then it's a lot clearer how long it's actually gonna take. There's nothing worse than having to wait that long for your money and you have absolutely no idea what kind of timeframe it's gonna take. At least 90 days is more honest than 30 days.
Whatever
If it makes you feel better with the feeling that waiting 90 days for your monies earned rather than the 30 promised then go for it. It's amazing to me and more so every day how people who participate in this industry are so naive, gullible, and understanding.
By the way the new TOS that was changed to 90 days also states or a "reasonable" time thereafter. Not explicitly 90 days but 90 days plus whatever the program owner feels reasonable. Perhaps they feel another 90 days to be reasonable? With this wording it pretty well leaves it open that they will pay you if and when they feel it reasonable to do so. People will be lucky to get their monies due them in 6 months.
Yet they will keep on "clickin'" for fear of loosing what they have now, or being deleted under the inactivity mode.
I wonder what the program owner would do if each and everyone of the members due payouts or redemptions or whatever were to place their accounts in vacation mode?
Keep clicking people, and keep reading. Maybe at the end of this new 90 day payout schedule, the owners will again be upfront and honest with you members and change it to 120 days, 150 days or whatever.
At least their being honest with you as you put it, and maybe this will be more reasonable in your mind and make you feel better about it.
i've been waiting for payment at mikes for 90 days myself today actually so why should it say 30 days in the terms when we aren't getting paid in that 30 day timeframe?
To me it doesn't really matter. I get paid when i get paid and hopefully soon. But to people who are just cashing out now it might be nice for them to know that it's actually gonna take 90 days + and not 30 days + before they see their money.
To me it doesn't really matter. I get paid when i get paid and hopefully soon. But to people who are just cashing out now it might be nice for them to know that it's actually gonna take 90 days + and not 30 days + before they see their money.
To be perfectly honest, it has occurred to me that I have the option to unsubscribe if I don't agree with the changes but I've built a nice downline and when I get this payment, I will already be on the way to making a third of my next payment. I know and understand your points, Read4Pay but in a program with that kind of money, it isn't that easy to just walk away. I also believe they are doing their best to get people paid and I'm pretty sure if there was ANY way possible to get things back on track, they'd want it done immediately.
If anyone is to blame for the mess and blunders and lost earnings with a whole lot of people, it's Jay. His demise had far-reaching repercussions.
It is very frustrating to have to wait but we are not just blindly accepting things. Everyone was complaining about the 30 day schedule so they change it to more accurately reflect the current situation and they still get complaints.
I hope to God they prove me right and they are around for a long, long time and they get back on the 30 day pay-out soon.
If anyone is to blame for the mess and blunders and lost earnings with a whole lot of people, it's Jay. His demise had far-reaching repercussions.
It is very frustrating to have to wait but we are not just blindly accepting things. Everyone was complaining about the 30 day schedule so they change it to more accurately reflect the current situation and they still get complaints.
I hope to God they prove me right and they are around for a long, long time and they get back on the 30 day pay-out soon.
I personally dont have a problem with 90 days, theres a reason for it, its been explained so we have to accept it.
I do have a problem with the verified paypal account though, the only way to verify is with debit/credit card, if you dont have one you cant get verified by paypal, in the US its easier you can use your bank account to be verified, what about all us millions of others non us users ?
I use paypal basically cause its quick and easy to use my UK bank account with, and i have no intention of using my partners credit card just to get verified, why should .
Being verified doesnt prove anything apart from a credit card was charge a small amount by paypal, thats all it proves.
I do have a problem with the verified paypal account though, the only way to verify is with debit/credit card, if you dont have one you cant get verified by paypal, in the US its easier you can use your bank account to be verified, what about all us millions of others non us users ?
I use paypal basically cause its quick and easy to use my UK bank account with, and i have no intention of using my partners credit card just to get verified, why should .
Being verified doesnt prove anything apart from a credit card was charge a small amount by paypal, thats all it proves.
90 days 
I thought in a previous thread they said they had paid out "thousands" in the last few months.
I thought in a previous thread they said they had paid out "thousands" in the last few months.
jypsy, lene, and shayna ... thank you so much for standing by us!
shadow ... as for the payment option issue ... it has already been discussed thoroughly in this forum. please do a search and you will have all your questions answered.
mcf ... we HAVE been paying out thousands since the server problems. you can view payment records at our forum. however, based on the newer sophisticated, hard to detect, cheating systems recently available ... upon looking back, thousands of those dollars were paid to cheaters with fake downlines. (those who ALWAYS reach payout first.)
this is the main reason we have made so many changes lately. we would be almost up-to-date (30 days) in paying our honest members what they deserve had we not been robbed.
the recent change to 90-day payout is an attempt to truthfully represent our current rate of issuing payments. as soon as we are up-to-date, the terms will be returned to 30 days, as usual.
read4pay ... as a member of many ptre programs, i totally understand the lack of trust. blind trust is certainly naive. i will say in our defense that mike has been running a successful business longer than most other ptr sites. (nearing one and a half years.) this, in itself, should speak volumes considering that the majority of such sites go belly up in 3 or 4 months. obviously, mike has been doing *something* right. yes ... we have hit a barrier that must be overcome, but we will.
everyday, we put every bit of energy we have into repairing our current situation and reestablishing our good reputation. most business hit low spots. as i said before, it would be much to our benefit to simply disappear. many of you complain that mike is 'rude'. i read all the emails that go out, myself. yes, some of them are rude ... but they are not abusive. sometimes it takes a strong hand to run a business. just take a look at how many socially skilled, sweet, personable, caring, supportive w/m's take the money and run.
if it weren't for mike's unwillingness to spend time socializing and playing favoritism, his business would have died a long time ago.
shadow ... as for the payment option issue ... it has already been discussed thoroughly in this forum. please do a search and you will have all your questions answered.
mcf ... we HAVE been paying out thousands since the server problems. you can view payment records at our forum. however, based on the newer sophisticated, hard to detect, cheating systems recently available ... upon looking back, thousands of those dollars were paid to cheaters with fake downlines. (those who ALWAYS reach payout first.)
this is the main reason we have made so many changes lately. we would be almost up-to-date (30 days) in paying our honest members what they deserve had we not been robbed.
the recent change to 90-day payout is an attempt to truthfully represent our current rate of issuing payments. as soon as we are up-to-date, the terms will be returned to 30 days, as usual.
read4pay ... as a member of many ptre programs, i totally understand the lack of trust. blind trust is certainly naive. i will say in our defense that mike has been running a successful business longer than most other ptr sites. (nearing one and a half years.) this, in itself, should speak volumes considering that the majority of such sites go belly up in 3 or 4 months. obviously, mike has been doing *something* right. yes ... we have hit a barrier that must be overcome, but we will.
everyday, we put every bit of energy we have into repairing our current situation and reestablishing our good reputation. most business hit low spots. as i said before, it would be much to our benefit to simply disappear. many of you complain that mike is 'rude'. i read all the emails that go out, myself. yes, some of them are rude ... but they are not abusive. sometimes it takes a strong hand to run a business. just take a look at how many socially skilled, sweet, personable, caring, supportive w/m's take the money and run.
if it weren't for mike's unwillingness to spend time socializing and playing favoritism, his business would have died a long time ago.
QUOTE (trayse @ Oct 14 2003, 01:08 PM)
jypsy, lene, and shayna ... thank you so much for standing by us!
shadow ... as for the payment option issue ... it has already been discussed thoroughly in this forum. please do a search and you will have all your questions answered.
mcf ... we HAVE been paying out thousands since the server problems. you can view payment records at our forum. however, based on the newer sophisticated, hard to detect, cheating systems recently available ... upon looking back, thousands of those dollars were paid to cheaters with fake downlines. (those who ALWAYS reach payout first.)
this is the main reason we have made so many changes lately. we would be almost up-to-date (30 days) in paying our honest members what they deserve had we not been robbed.
the recent change to 90-day payout is an attempt to truthfully represent our current rate of issuing payments. as soon as we are up-to-date, the terms will be returned to 30 days, as usual.
read4pay ... as a member of many ptre programs, i totally understand the lack of trust. blind trust is certainly naive. i will say in our defense that mike has been running a successful business longer than most other ptr sites. (nearing one and a half years.) this, in itself, should speak volumes considering that the majority of such sites go belly up in 3 or 4 months. obviously, mike has been doing *something* right. yes ... we have hit a barrier that must be overcome, but we will.
everyday, we put every bit of energy we have into repairing our current situation and reestablishing our good reputation. most business hit low spots. as i said before, it would be much to our benefit to simply disappear. many of you complain that mike is 'rude'. i read all the emails that go out, myself. yes, some of them are rude ... but they are not abusive. sometimes it takes a strong hand to run a business. just take a look at how many socially skilled, sweet, personable, caring, supportive w/m's take the money and run.
if it weren't for mike's unwillingness to spend time socializing and playing favoritism, his business would have died a long time ago.
shadow ... as for the payment option issue ... it has already been discussed thoroughly in this forum. please do a search and you will have all your questions answered.
mcf ... we HAVE been paying out thousands since the server problems. you can view payment records at our forum. however, based on the newer sophisticated, hard to detect, cheating systems recently available ... upon looking back, thousands of those dollars were paid to cheaters with fake downlines. (those who ALWAYS reach payout first.)
this is the main reason we have made so many changes lately. we would be almost up-to-date (30 days) in paying our honest members what they deserve had we not been robbed.
the recent change to 90-day payout is an attempt to truthfully represent our current rate of issuing payments. as soon as we are up-to-date, the terms will be returned to 30 days, as usual.
read4pay ... as a member of many ptre programs, i totally understand the lack of trust. blind trust is certainly naive. i will say in our defense that mike has been running a successful business longer than most other ptr sites. (nearing one and a half years.) this, in itself, should speak volumes considering that the majority of such sites go belly up in 3 or 4 months. obviously, mike has been doing *something* right. yes ... we have hit a barrier that must be overcome, but we will.
everyday, we put every bit of energy we have into repairing our current situation and reestablishing our good reputation. most business hit low spots. as i said before, it would be much to our benefit to simply disappear. many of you complain that mike is 'rude'. i read all the emails that go out, myself. yes, some of them are rude ... but they are not abusive. sometimes it takes a strong hand to run a business. just take a look at how many socially skilled, sweet, personable, caring, supportive w/m's take the money and run.
if it weren't for mike's unwillingness to spend time socializing and playing favoritism, his business would have died a long time ago.
I'll give you this much credit. At least you have the courage to stand up under fire and speak your piece and state your position.
That's more than most of the owners will do.
I can't agree that one needs to be rude to an extent to remain in business. Never worked for me in my real job in which I deal with the public extensively, but thats just me I guess. I don't think he nor you should play favorites and socialize, but there is a right way and wrong or poor way to deal with members. After all they made the success your mention of over a year a reality. Without them the program would not survive.
Before quitting all my programs and was in yours under another name, I was violated so many times by hacks, illnesses, or just plain disappearing in the night that I gave up. If it wasn't one of the reasons previously mentioned, it was the changes in payouts, or the redemption process and other changes. It's not worth the time nor the effort for the peanuts involved.
I will make a bold prediction here. Its not a threat or anything of this nature, simply an observation. There will be a big program soon, thats sending out many more paid emails than most ranging from a penny up to 7 cents at times who will disappear into the night. To many free members are approaching the 25 dollar payout level, and there are thousands of members. Watch for it as it will be discussed here in a large thread no doubt.
No need to name it. One simply has to think of a program sending out more paid emails than most any program running now at a min of a penny and often more, and with a large member base. People know to who I refer. They will bust soon, or heaven forbid be hacked. It's happened so often to so many that anymore it seems inevitable. Like I said, I am thru with the industry period! But me thinks they will be a bunch more unhappy campers soon as I don't see how this program can possibly meets its impending obligations.
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