I know that with the drought in advertising and with them spread so thin over so many programs these days, points e.mails are becoming more common because in many cases, it's those or nothing. And I don't want to upset anyone here, but is anyone else dismayed by the profusion of points (versus cash) e.mails lately?

Soon it may be nothing. I see that same thing happening to GPTR as the click programs of last year but i think i may be worse. There are a few good webmasters but most are underfunded and have no business sense.

I have to admit, I like cash better than points, but I don't really understand how points work.
How do you know how much they are worth? Do they get converted at some point, or only when you have enough cash to cash out?

welll exactly why they choose to go with "points" its so you dont know! ie. "GET PAID 100000 POINTS PER EMAIL" user goes: "Thats incredibal!"

10000 could = 0.0000002 of a cent for all you know. See its things like these tricks that webmasters of GPTR use all in combination with other tactics ive seen that they turn profits. There are so many tactics for them to make money in ways so small but add up.

If you want me to list a few I will.

Points should be converted once a month.

This is how it's done, but not always.

1. advertiser pay different rates.
a. standard rates
b. sale rates
c. auction rates

2. number of clickthroughs, so you may have 5000 members but only 2000 clickthough, then it's worth more to the members that click through.

3. don't forget the referral commission in counting total points.

4. remove basic expenses and then you have gross profit. Take a percentage of profit and apply to members. Take allocated profit to members and divide by number of points then take the square of a cream pie and

...everybody has their own calculation. Some just have a standard conversion rate (and pray they make a profit).

:ph34r: q: what happens if there is a loss on points, do you start asking members for cash?

Should do away with all the stupid points. It will take forever with the points longer than the cash to get a higher payout. Mec-Co-Op is the worst of them all. 1 cash link, and the rest is a bunch of point links. CashDogg, and CentsablEmail also are given out more points than usual. Even Paidpeople as well. The points system is very confusion right now.

ok.
let me state the worse:
topdollaremails and cash4hits, owned by venomx.

he sends many search emails, each worth 1 point. he makes hundreds of $$$ from search engines. he never bothers to convert points to cash(p2c.net hehe ) , or maybe after one year will decide that 1000 pts = 1 cent.

he got paid many times from search engines, such as $1010 from search feed, and now he is up to $300

All of us know how he owes most of us money, and didnot pay claiming
that advertising didnot go well with him, or took 6 months to pay a $5.

GUYS, this webmaster (topdollaremails.com and cash4hits.com ) is of the type that likes to sleep on money. dont ever bother to make searches for him, he will not pay.
JUST REPORT THIS LAMER TO PAYPAL, LET HIM GET HIS ACCOUNT RESTRICTED
REPORT HIM TO ALL SEARCH ENGINES FOR INCENTIVIZING SEARCHES.
unsubscribe from his companies.DONT BE MONEY PORKS!

And yes I mean it. if you all work to get this piece of ###### out, THE WORLD will be cleaner.
venomx, more is coming.
suck my ######ing ######

Do cheaters ever go away? And please do file a false report to Paypal. I know a guy that works for paypal who I will have come here and read this post. I have NEVER cheated anyone. I pay when I get money and people know that.

Ill be payign alot of my members tomorrow. I want to send another email tonight reminding them that Ill be not paying anyone who hasnt edited their info or has been inactive for 30 days or more. Ill be removing inactives right before I pay.

K..its a pity i didnt read this post before posting mine in the main forum..i'm fed up of point emails too...i dont know how the silly things work and some webmasters dont even know how their own point system works....

hmmmnnn..Houston...we have a VERY,VERY BIG problem.....

The mystery coversions of points to cash are definately unclear and getting way too common. I do like the programs that are clear about points converting to advertising though. I guess I just prefer to be clear upfront about exactly what I'm getting for my clicking.

I don't like the ones that don't tell you whether you are clicking for points or for cash.

I have tried to make my points system clear but it is still confusing due to weird conversions and the stupid defunct signup bonus rearing it's ugly head...

I wish I'd never started using points, really. And I am TOTALLY fed up with only points emails or not knowing how much points are worth, too! At least mine you know that 100 points equals 1 cent towards ads, half a cents towards cash. As for converting it monthly, if the script could do that, fine, but I sure as heck am not going to do it by hand for 5000 members, that's NUTS!

Quit complaining about Venomx, just quit his program and post your complaint about his other alleged faults in another thread. I swear, I don't care if your accusations are TRUE, but I am soooo sick of every thread becoming a 'bash venomx' thread. It's not because we are friends, I have no idea what he is doing with his money, I am just tired of the same old thing all the time.

I agree, give the guy a chance to catch his breath.

on pennies, key and emaillionaires we just replaced non paid ads with point ads, system is simple, 1 point is 1 cent towards advertising, or 1/2 cent converted. a few other goodies thrown in you can redeem for as well, like referrals We rarely send them, just cause I am not crazy about point ads either. Besides, most our advertisers prefer paid emails.
Mary

Oh how i wish every webmaster would take a leaf out of your book "emaillionairesemail"...i read that once and immediately understood...no trix,no games,no beating around the bush!!!!Thanks for the explaination

hey, it's the same as mine but I was an idiot and did 100 points= 1 penny!

I was into the decimal thing and didn't realize what a pain in the neck it would be...

Ah, well see Sandra is the math whiz and tax person while I tend to get dyslexic with numbers when I am tired (heck letters too if I am totally exhausted) So I made it as easy as humanly possible We just figured up cost per member + ref %'s to find the prices on points mails.

Mary

i told you guys
venomx has the worst points system ever.
at least owners of tombmailer, emailionairesmail, pocketjingle, mec co op paidmail and many others stated clearly what a"point" is worth, I never had a problem with these nice peograms,

venomx, owner of topdollaremails and cash4hits, i am not filing a false claim, i am just telling the truth that you dont pay. a pig like you that sleeps on money and does not pay members must be hanged somehwhere, and spitted on by everyone.

And i dont care whether you know the owner of paypal, or the cleanco guy

More lies. And my point value is CLEARLY stated on the redeemption page and in 2 emails to my members.

he has stated point values now, they are pretty weak but they're there

In relation to The Moneys In The Email http://www.themoneysintheemail.com as of yesterday we have just converted to the Points/Cash My E Com Script.

From the outset - we have decided for all of our $1 Members Adverts to ALL Members to allocate a Points Link for them. Its A Bonus - you could say!

In relation to our $5 Paid Email to ALL Members - we are now letting the advertisers choose which form of payment to members they would like.

They can either choose a 100 Point Email - which in theory is a 2 cent worth, or a 0.2 cent cash link. We shall only make the decision if the advertiser leaves the option blank.

Put simply as well - points emails will be used for Advertising Bonuses and Promotions while Cash Links will be Cash Links.

Of course - there will be a lot of people in this forum oppose of this - but the simple fact is - for my program as well as all the others - if you would like to see 1 cent - 2 cent or even 5 cents emails - we do sell them, and you are more than willing to purchase one yourself.

SOme points at programs arent that bad, as they arent intended to replace cash one, Most of the programs that have both cash and points, Use points as EXTRAS, so you get more mails. Many have good point systems, however some well....... they bite. Dont come down on all the points programs as some are jsut trying to give us more extra mails

has anyone else noticed that mec-co-op-paidmail is getting just ridiciulous with the points emails?? sure there is a few links in the emails for paid emails which is rarely over 0.25cents. they used to send so many links worth 1 cent, some emails used to be worth 10-12 cents per day. Now it is nearly all points!! and they have lowered the value of the points to 0.1 cents now.This is worse than the cheap links fiasco!!!

whoever created the points emails has created a monster!!!

Points ads are ok by me. As long as the point value is clearly stated on the site. Should be in the FAQ with the payout. And not on the redeem page when you have enough to get something. I hate that. Because I click to get points and don't want to check the redeem page and find out for 1000 points and I can get 10 banner hits Who what a waste of time. I like what click4cents ( Sad because the new owner will prob change it) and Jays-payemail does list what you can get with your points and the value of them at the top of the redeem page.

Ty

ok since you don't like points i'll just do away with it totally than

You Can Now Use Your MITE POINTS For:

(1) Bid on $10 Account Credit @ MITE
http://www.ozconsortium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=819

(2) Buy and Sell Your MITE Points With Other Members
http://www.ozconsortium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=818

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