Reveived an mail as below:



the guy is running with all money

do not re-join it if it re-lauched again.

I am, or Was a gold member there.. Also had about 9.00 in earnings.. Oh well I guess they come and they go...Life goes on...

Although, it is admirable - his straight forwardnes and honesty.
He is crazy, if he thinks people are going to rejoin. My guess ... is we will also have a new name

Well, I wish the new owner a lot of luck.
But it makes me a little bit angry that he is taking everyones gold membership away. That is not completly fair I think.

Its not his fault that the site is in such a bad way but that doesnt make it any more fair to the people losing money. My loss is minimal, but does it count for nothing that I've been faithfully clicking each and every single link while the money has been put in someones pocket?

Like theres anything I can do about it

I came in here today looking to see if someone had posted this!

I'm not exactly new to this industry anymore..but this is the first this has happened to a program that I'm in.

What I'm wondering is...do you stay if they just zero out the earnings..and see what the site becomes..or dump it now?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

i've been unsubscribred on the fly!
members counter say - 550 yet...

I' sorry if this is a little harsh, but this is complete bull. If you buy a program, you should be taking all of it ie. debt. As for cancelling out the gold members, how does that cost him anything? This is absolutely atrocious.

I will not be remaining in ANY program that would strip ALL EARNINGS and GOLD MEMBERSHIPS.

I stuck with it when they kept changing the sign up bonus and payout rates.

I stuck with it when the owner went AWOL and we never knew who was gonna be in charge....

But to buy a program and not honour previous earnings etc is horrible.

Can't wait to see the membership on this one....lol

i'm sure glad i dumped this crappy program when i had the chance. I was a gold member when it first launched and from that moment on i was very disappointed with it. I especially should have known this program wasn't going to last long with all the d*mn changes. I sure wouldn't signup for this one again that's for sure. Good luck to anyone that does. :ph34r:

This program started off a hotty then the owner left and wasnt seen for ages now look whats happening its just slipped further into the PTR Dark Hole

Thanx chriscool

I too clicked on every link....all that hard work down the drain.....but why would u buy a site with $9000 debt in the first palce???Surely it would be cheaper to set up a new site...ok u get the member base but honestly who wants to be a member when u lose all your earnings???? Certainly not this little black duck and members will unsub with the speed of light.....Well at least it's name is right....Lightspeed>>>>>right out of existence....

I have been waiting for over 17.00 in payout. for over 2 months. It took 2 payout request with no response and 2 e-mails. Finally got a response after the second e-mail, which was a few weeks ago saying that there wasn't any money but as soon as funds were available, I would be the first to be paid.

Well, really didn't think I would receive it, but now I know

l just can't believe those :ph34r: , trying to destroy the gptr
We have no protection what so ever,when they steal our money!
(l had many refs+$ in this particular one)

I personally totally BOYCOTT any so called webmaster that is behaving badly,and that is forever and ever.......
I for one have a very good memory,and l never forget/forgive rip-offs
In the real world you don't get far with that kind of BS!

But there are some really good WB too; they are the surviors/winners.
Let's support the good ones!
And not be afraid of pointing out the rotten apples-remember,they need us,
we don't need them!!!!

What a load of crap. This Marc person, if you read this, I for one will not re-join, I was Gold, had over $20 of earnings and had been waiting payout for nearly 3 months.

I am going to GPT Boycott straight away and lodging a complaint and urge all others to do so.
I'll also be lodging reports in all the possible places in an effort to warn as many people about this.

Let's hope that no-one bothers to re-join, all should be warned.

You buy a car you get what comes with it. You took over Lightspeed you should pay what is owed.

Finally, why not reveal your real identity? Marc is not good enough!

And Michelle - thanks for being straight with us all, thanks for the warning!

This Marc is a member of this forum known as Censimilia and he has been a co-owner of this site almost since the beginning and now he apparently took over completely :ph34r:

I was going to ask about this...

Thought so, and to think I apologised for accusing him of running the site!

I take back that apology.

He should have bought a new program if he wants to start from scratch!

...in that case he should be doing his damndest to pay members...what I want to know if Marc was there almost from the begining he should be able to give the members a break down on where the money went....and again why would u want a site $9000 in debt......I smell a rat

Hi

I also received the mail and i am furious!

Lats wek the girlfriend, Michele, (from the ex owner???) mailed that her friend had left and she had no money to pay out.

And now this!!!!!!!!

They live in Amsterdam (in the neighbourhood, 40 km.) i will track them and eventuelly sue.

I have also posted on various Dutch forums, so Marc will not go away with: all earnings are zero.

Hello,



I'm Marc. I will be new owner of the site. I'm gonna redesign it and delete
all the earnings and gold memberships. I?m sorry about that but site is in
a 9,000$ debt and I think I can't afford it. This site got alot of errors
and I'm, gonna fix it. Changes will be announced asap they're made.



Marc

Hello Marc quit the PTR business if you want it to work like this way.

A very disappointed EX member of lightspeedcashads

If i ever see a vanner or link to this site i will file an official complaint to the site owner.

I'll join you!

just received this from one of my members (I own FunkyCashMail and Myster-E-Mail)

name:

username:

subject_type: Other

bquestion_type: Lightspeed Cash Ads

message_type: Do you know what the new owner of Lightspeed-Cash-Ads did? He took back all of our hard-earned money and gold memberships so he could pay his bills. That is as good as robbery! I have worked for six months on all of my PTR's and now Marc, as he calls himself is going to to keep everything. Do you think that is fair? I am appalled! I want every honest PTR to speak out against this kind of treatment of their workers. Now, I don't think I will ever buy another gold membership because there is no garruntee our money won't just be stolen. If this is what can happen, I am wondering why anyone would want to work for any PTR. Please give me some hope and faith and speak out against Lightspeed-Cash-Ads.

Your Very Depressed Clicker,


People like Marc make it hard for the honest webmasters (and yes there are quite a few of us) as well as the members.

Point of Order, Folks!

Has anyone else noticed that NO ONE is screaming because the site has been 'sold' to someone (without anyone being informed BEFORE the fact) and all anyone can scream about is the loss of earnings and gold memberships?

Again, ARRANT HYPOCRISY. Andrew pre-announced the sale of his site and EVERYONE came down on him because their PERSONAL INFORMATION might be given to someone else! Why AREN'T you screaming about it now?

Hi

Thanks earners, i'll let you know where or when i find an add for these scammers.

I also reported it to: http://www.gptboycott.com/

Join please.

Wasn't this a site that also had an underage webmaster? I do believe so, and he kept changing the TOS so I unsubbed in the beginning.

Marc is 14

Andrew is 14..not sure about Marc! Andrew is/was the owner of webewebin and clickincash (I think that was the name of it)...he's the underage one they're referrering too!


editted to ad...

When I first joined Lightspeed..the owner had a biography thing on the site that said he wasn't able to work and that he wanted to make a site where people could actually earn money..stuff like that. It was awesome at first...lots and lots of emails...then he started changing things because he was going under with it. Michelle and Raell (from Mardigrascash..she actually owns the new domain name) took over while the owner was on vacation or something and rearranged some more. Then Raell left and the owner never came back and the emails became few and far between!

If you go to the old site...

http://www.lightspeed-cash-ad.com

You can see that at one time there were almost 4000 members...it's ALOT different now!

Did all the money that WAS made..off of gold memberships and such..get spent on payouts or did someone run off with it...that's what I'd be interested in knowing! Hopefully someone can shed some light on the subject before too many more people get irate!

Well I am sure unless he haven't had his 15th birthday recently or if he's one of those child molesters

Total members 1,691
Total Self Cash Earnings 3,687.71420
Total Downline Cash Earnings 838.36896
Total Applied Cash Credits 6,391.08000
Total Applied Cash Debits -1,533.40000
Cash Grand Total 9,383.76316

Top Earners:

dumpplaats 36.50623 PayPal gptrem@wanadoo.nl
tlc616 35.53867 e-Gold 504701
GoodLife 30.99121 PayPal GoodLife88@yahoo.com
gongxin 24.87122 PayPal wenrou20@hotmail.com
zhangxuezhi 24.70017 e-Gold 707746
hnlch 21.92055 e-Gold 575178
lisayi 20.66226 e-Gold 321452

I'm not gonna delete gold memberships. I took the site, to revive it. All can have his downline. BTW, you prefer that or just owner took down the program?. I got the paypal account. Where is the cash? No where, there isn't any cash. IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY MEMBERS. There are 57 gold members. If all the cash were in there thats 700$ But paypal shows 14$.

I haven't bought the site. Harvliet gave it to me. Why? He hasn't the cash to pay ppl and he is cleaning his hands. Some one is trying to help a death site, spending the time and then you do that.

Just what I think, and I don't know if I'm gonna continue. If it wasn't for me, site would be already down. And all members would be deleted.

Marc

I got ripped off for a Gold also... plus earnings. Harvliet took the money and ran after giving me a song and dance of how he was "disabled" and was trying to live a life by Christian principals.

The thing that gets me is what is to prevent these "Scam Artists" from starting up other sites. There should be a way that they have to be registered.

I hope the member from Holland finds them.

Ok I'm off, the site is finally death.

you are not the same Marc that owns Reading Cash... are you??

PS censimilia... I do not blame you... I know that the problem Was Harv along.

Marc, it isnt your fault if you really had nothing to do with the site and then it was given to you, but even in those circumstances it isnt fair to just delete earnings! There are other ways of doing it - offering redemptions really really cheap, letting members know payments to them will be top of the list when the site is able to handle it again. Unfortunately no matter who's fault it is, you will have people coming down on you like a ton of bricks if you state you will just 'delete' all earnings. I for one am happy to stick around if you say you can turn things around.

I'm not Logical.

I just was sad, because all blamed to my idea and now I gave site back to harv and he shutted it down

Good job you did ...

Well... another one bites the dust. From now on... I will only promote established sites that have proven themselves. There are so many new sites each day... how do we know who are just scam artists or who are legitimate. Only by those that have proven themselves... we have no other protection.


By the way Censimilia... Harv once told me that he enjoys reading the Bible. If you get a chance to talk to him... tell him to read Jesus' counsel on Honesty... a little more closely... I think he missed the point.

it's obvious, that it is the previous owner (Harvliet) who is the scammer. He made a huge debt and then ran away without paying it. He's simply a thief.

But if someone wants to revive a dead program, deleting all earnings is not the way. Because by deleting earnings you are killing the program, so you can't revive it if you already made it die.


BTW, I'm glad that I redeemed all for advertising and gave it up quite early (I believe it was 2-3 months ago), my intuition told me that this program won't be any good. But of course I'm sorry for the remaining members, who were scammed in such a way.

BTW, I'm not in any religion and I deteste them all but I respect them LOL

never mind

i deleted myself

saves you work.

had $15+ and was goldmember from day 1 !!

good luck.

if i am not mistaken according to dutch Law, you are responsable for everything including debts,

We might ask about this at the tax collector office and the chamber of commerce!
You do a business, you have to be registered as so!!

or in this case harvliet dalgety the first, former,present owner.
Good you took your hands off censi, because i will try to find out about this.

going true some old mails
i found this:

This are the new terms as of May 6th 2003:

Signup bonus $5.00
Payout $30.00

Emails and ptc's range from $0.01 to $0.02 and non-paid. It depends on what the advertisers order.

Please people if I have forgotten something let me know. I have so much on my mind I would appreciate your help.

I think everyone will agree with these terms because I know some did not agree with $150 payout. I did that to play it safe.

By lowering the payout to $30.00 I will put myself at risk but to proof I am no scam or cheater so be it.Members who are promoting please change the details in your promotion quick. Thank you.

Regards,

Harvliet Dalgety
support@lightspeed-cash-ad.com

Hi Check out the thread at Boycott Forum

We will not get our mony back but we can put this scammer permantly put of business.

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...13249#post13249

Thats all for me

Dom

Censimilia - you have been part of Lightspeed from the start, you denied any involvement then came back and said you are running it again.
You have been in contact with Harvliet who has now closed the site which proves he is still around and that you are in contact with him/her.

Why not bring the scammer here to answer questions? Not likely.

Your involvement is questionable and I will certainly never join any program that has your name on it.

I'm going to Boycott Forum now.
I lost about $8. And the others?

I too lost about $8-$9

The site was probably in debt because he was spending the money himself.

And I agree with the person above, stick with the well known wms, reduce your possibility of getting ripped off.

I join very few new ones and I always ask about them here on the forum.

Sry about all your losses, I was never a member, but I definitely know how it feels to get ripped off!!

two questions:

1.are you legaly responsable if you are 14?

2.does anybody know if Harvliet Dalgety is involved with some other programs?

1
Maybe you are not legaly responsable at 14 but someone else is! If you can have a website and run a program and have Paypal-and-the-like accounts, then, you have to register for it - or someone did it for you.

2
I don't but I'll be alert

Hi y'll


I made a search on google with the keyword harvliet.

His own site is offline too, but u can read about him on:

http://www.jackies.nl/index2.php/myhouse/p...people/harvliet

Sorry it is in Dutch, but here he explains the decease he has and that he started
lightspeed, i tried to get an emailadress of the people who take care of him, but guess............. not possible.

His own site http://www.harvliet-dalgety.com/ is offline. When i tracked it for the owner it was a German (not Dutch) company who would not state who claimed it.

Guess i have to look around in Amsterdam.

If some nice member could translate it to us...

Hi nut2

As i said he has an illness. (He said it on lightspeed too) and he explains he is now living on his own and explains that he wants a lot in future: own company, wife, kids etc.)

I now try to find the company who arranged this house for him.

Maybe they can give a lead or something like that.

Amsterdam is for me only 40 km away so, i don't mind.