I know of only one person taht has been paid. I dont know that person personally. Anyways. I had been promoting it constantly over and over again. I had reached the $20 payout, and requested payout. I ner recieved payout. My account was at $39 and when I tried logging in. It saiid my accoutn was deactivated due to abuse. What the heck. I sopent may money to pay for ads before I owned sites, and then when i get to payout they deactivate my accoutn for abuse. I even emailed them and they never emailed me back.
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
Full Version: Exit Cash Flow Jipped Me
Mystical if you go to their forum and post your complaint they are quicker to respond to them from there. It could not hurt to try.
I hope it works out and they pay you
I hope it works out and they pay you
QUOTE (mysticalsunflower @ Aug 24 2003, 01:52 PM)
I know of only one person taht has been paid. I dont know that person personally. Anyways. I had been promoting it constantly over and over again. I had reached the $20 payout, and requested payout. I ner recieved payout. My account was at $39 and when I tried logging in. It saiid my accoutn was deactivated due to abuse. What the heck. I sopent may money to pay for ads before I owned sites, and then when i get to payout they deactivate my accoutn for abuse. I even emailed them and they never emailed me back.
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
no offence intended but if you have ignored ( not saying you have ) the rules of ecf like you obviously have for the gpf
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2. You can put a plain text or graphic link not bigger than 468x60, including promotion or referral links, in your signature. The limit for a signature is
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
that may explain it.
Like I said dont take offence but rulez is rules
QUOTE (anrkyuk @ Aug 24 2003, 02:05 PM)
QUOTE (mysticalsunflower @ Aug 24 2003, 01:52 PM)
I know of only one person taht has been paid. I dont know that person personally. Anyways. I had been promoting it constantly over and over again. I had reached the $20 payout, and requested payout. I ner recieved payout. My account was at $39 and when I tried logging in. It saiid my accoutn was deactivated due to abuse. What the heck. I sopent may money to pay for ads before I owned sites, and then when i get to payout they deactivate my accoutn for abuse. I even emailed them and they never emailed me back.
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
no offence intended but if you have ignored ( not saying you have ) the rules of ecf like you obviously have for the gpf
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2. You can put a plain text or graphic link not bigger than 468x60, including promotion or referral links, in your signature. The limit for a signature is
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like? will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like? will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
that may explain it.
Like I said dont take offence but rulez is rules
exit cash flows rules basically were not to post in auto hit sites. I only posted it as ad sites, and a pop up on a newsletetr site I own. So I did follow rules. Maybe I made a mistake in here as my banner was to big, so I removed it. I have seen peoepl s signitures in here longer than mine. I did follow rules.
Did you get paid by them?
And if they deleted me for something, when I asked them what it was for maybe they should haev emailed me back. I never even got a response from them
As I said Mystical post in their forum. They rarely answer emails, but I notice when members posted in their forum they actually got results. Can you still access your members area of your ECF if so their forum can also be accessed from there. I also notice it gets payments made to you quicker if you post in there. Have them explain what they mean.
here is the link:
http://www.exitcashflow.com/forums/
here is the link:
http://www.exitcashflow.com/forums/
Also this was taken right from the forum in their cheaters thread.
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
>> and a pop up on a newsletetr site I own.
I am under the impression that this is against ECF rules.
See http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?a...ct=ST&f=6&t=602
I am under the impression that this is against ECF rules.
See http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?a...ct=ST&f=6&t=602
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup
Doesn't it say something on the site sounding like you can?
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Regardless of whether they click anything or use a pop-up killer?
That line right there makes like you can have it as a popup. Also, if they use a pop-up killer, the page isn't going to finish loading. So... both parts of that statement are false?
QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Aug 24 2003, 04:56 PM)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup
Doesn't it say something on the site sounding like you can?
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Regardless of whether they click anything or use a pop-up killer?
That line right there makes like you can have it as a popup. Also, if they use a pop-up killer, the page isn't going to finish loading. So... both parts of that statement are false?
Lancer: Read that again.
You get PAID no matter if the person uses a popup killer or not. They are talking about the popup within the ECF page, NOT the person's site.
The only way you can spawn an ECF popup is by promoting your ECF page (the one that is shown by a person clicking on your ECF ref link)
You may not just have the smaller ECF popup window (the advertiser window) come up on another site.
You can't write that code separately to make it come up with just any site you want.
(know what I mean?)
It has to be shown in conjunction with the actual ECF full page.
Edited to add: I have been paid twice, Just over $20 each time. Also I have been paid for ref earnings as well (Partner earnings).
You may not just have the smaller ECF popup window (the advertiser window) come up on another site.
You can't write that code separately to make it come up with just any site you want.
(know what I mean?)
It has to be shown in conjunction with the actual ECF full page.
Edited to add: I have been paid twice, Just over $20 each time. Also I have been paid for ref earnings as well (Partner earnings).
That popup window is not yours to do with as you please. ECF wants it to be shown with the ECF page.
The advertisers you see in that window pay to advertise with ECF....they don't pay to advertise in your ezine or anywhere else.
Also, if you are just showing the popup without the ECF site...that does not help to bring more members (or advertisers) to ECF.
If everyone did that....there would be no new members.
The advertisers you see in that window pay to advertise with ECF....they don't pay to advertise in your ezine or anywhere else.
Also, if you are just showing the popup without the ECF site...that does not help to bring more members (or advertisers) to ECF.
If everyone did that....there would be no new members.
been paid by ECF a few times now and waiting on another payment they are very slow to pay but always got it in the end
QUOTE (Tigress @ Aug 24 2003, 07:17 AM)
Also this was taken right from the forum in their cheaters thread.
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
Thats disgusting, these people are realy hunting on cheaters!
I'm anoyed by the popups too, but we all do things that aren't alowed.
I'm still not sure if sas is alowed.
Admin sent an email about it that it wasn't, but it's still in the memberarea, and ECF is havely promoted on SAS.
Please tell me what an iframe is?
Marian
QUOTE (nadiaasoma @ Aug 24 2003, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (Tigress @ Aug 24 2003, 07:17 AM)
Also this was taken right from the forum in their cheaters thread.
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
I think this folder is going to need to have some sort of organization. I suggest starting threads for each type of cheating (ECF as Popup, ECF in IFrame, ECF on Autosurf, etc) & disabling starting of new threads by regular users (I have already started one for popup). All reports should be made in the appropriate threads. (This will make it a lot easier on the admin, since all the information will be in one place)
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It seems that ECF cannot be used as a popup, and you said you did have it as one. I would ask them about that too. Also from what I saw there they have members reporting cheaters in a thread there.
Here is the threads for cheaters from their forum and also the many ways they will catch you.
http://exitcashflow.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=15
Thats disgusting, these people are realy hunting on cheaters!
I'm anoyed by the popups too, but we all do things that aren't alowed.
I'm still not sure if sas is alowed.
Admin sent an email about it that it wasn't, but it's still in the memberarea, and ECF is havely promoted on SAS.
Please tell me what an iframe is?
Marian
An I-frame makes if posible to load a webpage inside of another webpage.
Think of share ad space it shows two pages inside of one.
I hope people don't end up losing there acounds for advertising on sas.
QUOTE (mysticalsunflower @ Aug 24 2003, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (anrkyuk @ Aug 24 2003, 02:05 PM)
QUOTE (mysticalsunflower @ Aug 24 2003, 01:52 PM)
I know of only one person taht has been paid. I dont know that person personally. Anyways. I had been promoting it constantly over and over again. I had reached the $20 payout, and requested payout. I ner recieved payout. My account was at $39 and when I tried logging in. It saiid my accoutn was deactivated due to abuse. What the heck. I sopent may money to pay for ads before I owned sites, and then when i get to payout they deactivate my accoutn for abuse. I even emailed them and they never emailed me back.
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
I STROGLY URGE EVERYONE TO STOP PROMOTING EXIT CASH FLOW!!
THEY ARE A SCAM!!
no offence intended but if you have ignored ( not saying you have ) the rules of ecf like you obviously have for the gpf
QUOTE
2. You can put a plain text or graphic link not bigger than 468x60, including promotion or referral links, in your signature. The limit for a signature is
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like? will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
2.1. 5 lines on a 1024 wide screen OR
2.2. a 468x60 banner plus one line.
2.3. Only a few words could be of large font size e.g. your name, but the rest of the words should be of regular small size.
2.4. A small emoticon like? will only be count as word and not as a graphic.
2.5. The total length of your signature including URL and IMG tag should be less than 500 characters.
that may explain it.
Like I said dont take offence but rulez is rules
exit cash flows rules basically were not to post in auto hit sites. I only posted it as ad sites, and a pop up on a newsletetr site I own. So I did follow rules. Maybe I made a mistake in here as my banner was to big, so I removed it. I have seen peoepl s signitures in here longer than mine. I did follow rules.
Did you get paid by them?
And if they deleted me for something, when I asked them what it was for maybe they should haev emailed me back. I never even got a response from them
Mystical
First thank you for not taking my first post as an insult or attack.
I have to say no I havent been paid by ecf but I do know many that have and they wait on average 4-5 months for their payout, One in perticular reached payout in a month and 5 months later recived 4 months earnings leaving their last months earnings in their account and as soon as they were paid the redeemed again and I belve she hopes to get paid in another 2-3 months.
I also have to say I never knew you couldnt use ecf as a popup, I thought as the name of the program implied you could use as a popup for the site and also from reading this
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Want to make a guaranteed income on every visitor to all of your sites? Regardless of whether they click anything or use a pop-up killer?
if you cant use as a popup how on earth do you earn from every visitor to your sites ?, also a lil bit of flase advertising on their part about the use of popup killers as no popup = no credit for hit.
All I can say is try SAS I find them far more pleasing to deal with although I have to say their site confuses the ###### out of me, Ive got 100's of non refundable credits I need to work out what to do with one day
A
Lol, I read somewhere that you have to use them for advertising!
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
Thanks CocaColaGirl, thats what I thouht it ment.
So SAS would be of limit, then why is it a program in the membersarea?
I would hate to see all these members who use it being deleted too.
Marian
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
Thanks CocaColaGirl, thats what I thouht it ment.
So SAS would be of limit, then why is it a program in the membersarea?
I would hate to see all these members who use it being deleted too.
Marian
You can advertise your ECF page at SAS. You have to put it in the Premium page area. You can't advertise ECF in the split pages at SAS, as ECF wants their whole page to be shown.
BTW, Rod at SAS is working very closely with admin at ECF.
In my opinion this is a great example of two "competitors" , so to speak, working together to create the best of everything for their members.
Rod gets more pages shown at SAS, SAS members have more sites to surf, ECF members have another source for advertising and getting hits, ECF admin gets more members into their program....showing even more ECF pages, the paid advertisers get more exposure through the popup, etc.......
This is a great example of POs working together....and everyone wins in the end.
Yes, ECF is slow to pay and respond. BUT they DO pay.
Not only that, but let's say I redeemed for $20 on May 1st.
And let's say that since then, I have earned another $40.
Well, if ECF sends me a payment today, I will get the whole $60, not just the $20 I originally redeemed for.
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Getting back to the issue of "attaching" the ECF popup to one of your own sites (ezine, newsletter, affiliate program, etc.....)
ECF is not in the business of paying us to advertise our own sites.
They are paying us to advertise ECF.
When you put just the popup on one of your own sites, you are getting paid popup money to show your own site. That makes no sense. Why would ECF want to pay you for that?
They want the popup shown with the ECF page.....therefore paying you to advertise ECF, bring in members (as most programs do).
Heck, they even give you a free way to advertise YOUR sites if you want to.
They have a free rotator where you can insert your own URLs and have that shown as the popup if you want.
ECF is not ripping anyone off.
They are paying us to get the word out about ECF.
Just like all the PTRs give us referral links to advertise THEIR programs, right?
The only difference is, ECF pays us to advertise THEIR site and get referrals.
PTRs pay us to look at OTHER sites and get referrals.
It's not better or worse, just different.
BTW, Rod at SAS is working very closely with admin at ECF.
In my opinion this is a great example of two "competitors" , so to speak, working together to create the best of everything for their members.
Rod gets more pages shown at SAS, SAS members have more sites to surf, ECF members have another source for advertising and getting hits, ECF admin gets more members into their program....showing even more ECF pages, the paid advertisers get more exposure through the popup, etc.......
This is a great example of POs working together....and everyone wins in the end.
Yes, ECF is slow to pay and respond. BUT they DO pay.
Not only that, but let's say I redeemed for $20 on May 1st.
And let's say that since then, I have earned another $40.
Well, if ECF sends me a payment today, I will get the whole $60, not just the $20 I originally redeemed for.
***********************************
Getting back to the issue of "attaching" the ECF popup to one of your own sites (ezine, newsletter, affiliate program, etc.....)
ECF is not in the business of paying us to advertise our own sites.
They are paying us to advertise ECF.
When you put just the popup on one of your own sites, you are getting paid popup money to show your own site. That makes no sense. Why would ECF want to pay you for that?
They want the popup shown with the ECF page.....therefore paying you to advertise ECF, bring in members (as most programs do).
Heck, they even give you a free way to advertise YOUR sites if you want to.
They have a free rotator where you can insert your own URLs and have that shown as the popup if you want.
ECF is not ripping anyone off.
They are paying us to get the word out about ECF.
Just like all the PTRs give us referral links to advertise THEIR programs, right?
The only difference is, ECF pays us to advertise THEIR site and get referrals.
PTRs pay us to look at OTHER sites and get referrals.
It's not better or worse, just different.
She was showing the ECF-page as a popup, not the popup from the ECF-page.
Do you get paid for using the rotator?
If so, I'm sure you can't use it as a popup.
Marian
Do you get paid for using the rotator?
If so, I'm sure you can't use it as a popup.
Marian
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and ECF is havely promoted on SAS
I thought I heard on the ECF forum that SAS is counted as autosurf???
I wish Rod from SAS was here to answer some of this stuff...
1.- You CANNOT show ECF as a pop-up from your site, the reason being that the hit originates from your website NO MATTER WHERE YOUR SITE IS BEING PROMOTED. In other words the ECF system will see IP XXX xx SSS looking at the ECF page and note the referrer page as yoursite.com, but it cannot go further back to check if yoursite.com was being shown on an autosurf, manual surf or advertised on a PTR...this is quite clear in the Forum and a lot less clear in the TOS.
Same thing applies to showing ECF within a frame (using a rotator for instance).
2.- The way you make money with ECF is by promoting the page directly in MANUAL surf sites, and that does not include hybrid sites (sites that are both manual and auto), except for one approved hybrid.
3.- ECF CAN be shown on SAS ONLY if you use the Premium Page, this is the one that shows one site instead of two...
4.- You can use the ECF rotator to promote ECF, because they can track their own rotator, but you cannot use that as a pop-up either.
As a general remark, do you advertise Mike's as a pop-up?, of course not...ECF is no different...if you want to earn money from pop-ups spawned from your site there are several that you can use...BidClicks for one...
MysticalSunflower:
It seems to me that you abused the ECF system unknowingly, do post at the ECF forum and ask that your account be reinstated minus the hits generated by using ECF as a Pop-up, they might re-instate the account...they are definitely NOT a scam, they do pay and in your case you DID abuse the system even if you did not realize that you were abusing it...
Edited to add that you can also promote ECF by advertising in any manner you see fit except by spam (PTR's, safelists, Search engine placements, etc).
1.- You CANNOT show ECF as a pop-up from your site, the reason being that the hit originates from your website NO MATTER WHERE YOUR SITE IS BEING PROMOTED. In other words the ECF system will see IP XXX xx SSS looking at the ECF page and note the referrer page as yoursite.com, but it cannot go further back to check if yoursite.com was being shown on an autosurf, manual surf or advertised on a PTR...this is quite clear in the Forum and a lot less clear in the TOS.
Same thing applies to showing ECF within a frame (using a rotator for instance).
2.- The way you make money with ECF is by promoting the page directly in MANUAL surf sites, and that does not include hybrid sites (sites that are both manual and auto), except for one approved hybrid.
3.- ECF CAN be shown on SAS ONLY if you use the Premium Page, this is the one that shows one site instead of two...
4.- You can use the ECF rotator to promote ECF, because they can track their own rotator, but you cannot use that as a pop-up either.
As a general remark, do you advertise Mike's as a pop-up?, of course not...ECF is no different...if you want to earn money from pop-ups spawned from your site there are several that you can use...BidClicks for one...
MysticalSunflower:
It seems to me that you abused the ECF system unknowingly, do post at the ECF forum and ask that your account be reinstated minus the hits generated by using ECF as a Pop-up, they might re-instate the account...they are definitely NOT a scam, they do pay and in your case you DID abuse the system even if you did not realize that you were abusing it...
Edited to add that you can also promote ECF by advertising in any manner you see fit except by spam (PTR's, safelists, Search engine placements, etc).
QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Aug 25 2003, 07:14 AM)
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and ECF is havely promoted on SAS
I thought I heard on the ECF forum that SAS is counted as autosurf???
I got an email about it, some time ago, maybe you have to go to the ECF-forum to get the latest news.
SAS definitely does not count as an autosurf...the only issue at the beggining was the ECF owners feeling ECF was not properly displayed by using the normal (two window) page...that is the reason the Premium page (1 window only) was created...
Also on SAS, the non-cashable credits are only usable for advertising, you can advertise your favorite PTR, a search engine Portal, your own website or any other URL that conforms to the rules (including ECF), just make sure that if you put ECF there, you put it as a premium page (cost is 2 credits per hit).
Also on SAS, the non-cashable credits are only usable for advertising, you can advertise your favorite PTR, a search engine Portal, your own website or any other URL that conforms to the rules (including ECF), just make sure that if you put ECF there, you put it as a premium page (cost is 2 credits per hit).
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Lol, I read somewhere that you have to use them for advertising!
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
I've heard a lot of people getting paid by ECF
QUOTE (tjringo @ Aug 25 2003, 07:15 PM)
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Lol, I read somewhere that you have to use them for advertising!
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
It scared me away, I'm not joining. I stick to ECF lets see if i'll get paid.
I've heard a lot of people getting paid by ECF
Really? Maybe a long, long time ago....
it is best to go to the ECF forum periodically just to check for updates.
jordi49 has pretty much explained how it works, and what is allowed. Check their cheat thread where they are listing members and you will also find more on what is not allowed. I listed the thread url in a previous post here.
Also as far as payment questions post also in their forum, you will find quicker results.
jordi49 has pretty much explained how it works, and what is allowed. Check their cheat thread where they are listing members and you will also find more on what is not allowed. I listed the thread url in a previous post here.
Also as far as payment questions post also in their forum, you will find quicker results.
Ive only had good experiences with ECF. Reached cashout not too long ago cashed out and got paid within a day .. I think they take longer but oh well maybe that day they felt like paying someone really fast 
which I dont mind lol
So just want to say they are great and not a scam at all
Ravenn
.. I think they take longer but oh well maybe that day they felt like paying someone really fast which I dont mind lol So just want to say they are great and not a scam at all
Ravenn
ECF is working on the payment problem....they are trying to make it faster. A bunch of people just got paid in the last couple weeks.
I don't really mind that it takes a while sometimes to get paid, because I know that I will get my full balance on the day of payout.
I have just learned not to count on that money within a certain time frame.
I'm sure things will speed up soon.
They just got a couple thousand new members in the last few weeks also.
There are only 2 or 3 guys that have to check every single hit when someone requests payout.....for over 40,000 people!
It's not a great system, but I have never worried about getting paid
I don't really mind that it takes a while sometimes to get paid, because I know that I will get my full balance on the day of payout.
I have just learned not to count on that money within a certain time frame.
I'm sure things will speed up soon.
They just got a couple thousand new members in the last few weeks also.
There are only 2 or 3 guys that have to check every single hit when someone requests payout.....for over 40,000 people!
It's not a great system, but I have never worried about getting paid
I went to the ECF-forum, had to registrate again, and found it to be a worthless forum.
If you want to know about cheaters, then you'r at the right place but if you want to read about whitch exchanges are allowed, you better ask jordi.
Marian
If you want to know about cheaters, then you'r at the right place but if you want to read about whitch exchanges are allowed, you better ask jordi.
Marian
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SAS definitely does not count as an autosurf
no, I definetily remember seeing a convo on the ECF forum between Rod and them about it, that ECF still can't distinguish between the manual surf and auto surf on SAS (or rather between the regular and the premium, not sure which).
Wow! What a thread we have here! 
Yes, this is Rod again from ShareAdSpace.
Let first start with "ShareAdSpace is an approved exchange to show your ECF page AS LONG AS you display it in the premium, FULL PAGE area of SAS"...In fact, if you *try* to insert it in the shared section, our system will give you an error.
ShareAdSpace IS NOT considered an autosurf site. The question may have been raised about 6 months ago when we allowed our promote page to be displayed on autosurf sites. We DO NOT allow this anymore and in fact have setup strict autosurf scripts to block all crediting for those members that STILL try to run our promote page at an autosurf. ECF will ALSO soon adopt our script for auto's as well.
I have volunteered my time at ECF to help them in the forum and with the new support email ECFHelp@yahoo.com .
This response time to this email account is usually within one day.
Now, lets discuss what is NOT an apporved method of advertising and what is:(this pertains to BOTH the ECF page and our SAS promote or specialpromo pages)
NOT APPROVED:
1. autosurf sites...these are sites that allow the user to NOT CLICK anything and earn credits. Although the concept of autosurfs are nice and convenient, too many people abuse this method. They simply start the autosurf and go to bed (not all but many people do...sorry)
2. Popups...You CANNOT make our pages popup, popunder, or exitpop from your personal website. The reason is simple: We need to know where the original user came from. On the internet, you can only backtrack one level to find out where this original user came from. If you ran our page on YOUR site, all we will see in our server logs, is hits made by YOUR site. This leaves us wide open for people to abuse the system by THEN running their page on autosurf sites OR having some script automatically reload your page over and over.
3. Iframes...Technically, ALL traffic exchanges and PTR use iframes so you ask, "Why can't I use an iframe to display your page?" ... Once, again, read line two above. We won't know where the hit came from so you could generate 1000's of hits through autosurf sites OR other clicking scripts. What makes matters worse, we have caught many people actually displaying our page in a window the size of a banner, WAY at the bottom of their page, or worse, as a ZERO frame (this means that not ONE bit of our page is viewable but it will still completely load inside your website and thus, you get credit for it.) When we find members that do this, we terminate them, no questions asked. That is deliberate cheating.
Depending on the type of violation mentioned above (except for the miniature or zero frame...they get terminated immediately), we will normally contact the member, tell them the violation they made, ask them to remove it ASAP and possibly remove some (or all) of their credits earned to date. This last part greatly depends on if they have any legitimate hits mixed in with the violated hits.
There are other ways to cheat, but these include automated scripts and so forth that I would rather not mention in detail here. These people KNOW they are trying to cheat from the start and will be dealt with accordingly. We will probably start posting these members IP's, and usernames in the Program Owners folder in this forum. If they do it to us, they will most likely do it to you as well.
Approved methods of credit earning:
1) Surf Manual Traffic Exchanges... You will KNOW its a manual exchange because
after the timer runs out, it will say "Click here for credit" (or something like that)
2) Paid To Read Emails ... Once again, most of these will load within an iframe on a know PTR site and have a timer. These are perfectly legal as well.
3) Banner or textlink on YOUR website. Since you don't get credit from our sites UNTIL someone loads your SAS or ECF page, a link on your site is fine. This will require a REAL person somewhere to click on the link. Be warned. There are people who cheat this as well and we CAN catch them
4) Banner or textlink in our signature at forums, newsgroups, etc. If someone clicks on your link and loads our page, you will get credit for them.
NOTE:
... at SAS, the hits must be 12hr unique (One credit per IP per 12hours)
... at ECF, the hits must be 24hr unique...
As the internet grows and more and more techniques become available, so too will our rules. Some we will approve, some we will not. It greatly depends on how the hit is acquired and IF the advertiser is getting their monies worth.
Once again, thanks everyone for reading this and IF you have any questions contact:
For ECF, contact ECFHelp@yahoo.com
For SAS, contact admin@shareadspace.com
Always remember, when in doubt, ASK
Rod Baker
http://shareadspace.com
Yes, this is Rod again from ShareAdSpace.
Let first start with "ShareAdSpace is an approved exchange to show your ECF page AS LONG AS you display it in the premium, FULL PAGE area of SAS"...In fact, if you *try* to insert it in the shared section, our system will give you an error.
ShareAdSpace IS NOT considered an autosurf site. The question may have been raised about 6 months ago when we allowed our promote page to be displayed on autosurf sites. We DO NOT allow this anymore and in fact have setup strict autosurf scripts to block all crediting for those members that STILL try to run our promote page at an autosurf. ECF will ALSO soon adopt our script for auto's as well.
I have volunteered my time at ECF to help them in the forum and with the new support email ECFHelp@yahoo.com .
This response time to this email account is usually within one day.
Now, lets discuss what is NOT an apporved method of advertising and what is:(this pertains to BOTH the ECF page and our SAS promote or specialpromo pages)
NOT APPROVED:
1. autosurf sites...these are sites that allow the user to NOT CLICK anything and earn credits. Although the concept of autosurfs are nice and convenient, too many people abuse this method. They simply start the autosurf and go to bed (not all but many people do...sorry)
2. Popups...You CANNOT make our pages popup, popunder, or exitpop from your personal website. The reason is simple: We need to know where the original user came from. On the internet, you can only backtrack one level to find out where this original user came from. If you ran our page on YOUR site, all we will see in our server logs, is hits made by YOUR site. This leaves us wide open for people to abuse the system by THEN running their page on autosurf sites OR having some script automatically reload your page over and over.
3. Iframes...Technically, ALL traffic exchanges and PTR use iframes so you ask, "Why can't I use an iframe to display your page?" ... Once, again, read line two above. We won't know where the hit came from so you could generate 1000's of hits through autosurf sites OR other clicking scripts. What makes matters worse, we have caught many people actually displaying our page in a window the size of a banner, WAY at the bottom of their page, or worse, as a ZERO frame (this means that not ONE bit of our page is viewable but it will still completely load inside your website and thus, you get credit for it.) When we find members that do this, we terminate them, no questions asked. That is deliberate cheating.
Depending on the type of violation mentioned above (except for the miniature or zero frame...they get terminated immediately), we will normally contact the member, tell them the violation they made, ask them to remove it ASAP and possibly remove some (or all) of their credits earned to date. This last part greatly depends on if they have any legitimate hits mixed in with the violated hits.
There are other ways to cheat, but these include automated scripts and so forth that I would rather not mention in detail here. These people KNOW they are trying to cheat from the start and will be dealt with accordingly. We will probably start posting these members IP's, and usernames in the Program Owners folder in this forum. If they do it to us, they will most likely do it to you as well.
Approved methods of credit earning:
1) Surf Manual Traffic Exchanges... You will KNOW its a manual exchange because
after the timer runs out, it will say "Click here for credit" (or something like that)
2) Paid To Read Emails ... Once again, most of these will load within an iframe on a know PTR site and have a timer. These are perfectly legal as well.
3) Banner or textlink on YOUR website. Since you don't get credit from our sites UNTIL someone loads your SAS or ECF page, a link on your site is fine. This will require a REAL person somewhere to click on the link. Be warned. There are people who cheat this as well and we CAN catch them
4) Banner or textlink in our signature at forums, newsgroups, etc. If someone clicks on your link and loads our page, you will get credit for them.
NOTE:
... at SAS, the hits must be 12hr unique (One credit per IP per 12hours)
... at ECF, the hits must be 24hr unique...
As the internet grows and more and more techniques become available, so too will our rules. Some we will approve, some we will not. It greatly depends on how the hit is acquired and IF the advertiser is getting their monies worth.
Once again, thanks everyone for reading this and IF you have any questions contact:
For ECF, contact ECFHelp@yahoo.com
For SAS, contact admin@shareadspace.com
Always remember, when in doubt, ASK
Rod Baker
http://shareadspace.com
Thanks Rod,
May I ask How you proceed with the "cheaters" that are posted on the ECF-forum?
Marian
May I ask How you proceed with the "cheaters" that are posted on the ECF-forum?
Marian
It took *WAY* too long for such a site, but I finally got paid. ECF are useless at customer service and responding to their members, but you do get paid. It's just that they will never reply to you - customer service is crap
Try that new email Rod listed...He is much better at customer Service than the ECF guys...He will answer most things ECF and only a few answers will be delayed (those he has to consult with ECF admin)...
Yes ECF is falsly advertising how you can make money frmo their page. FOr example, it says make a guaranteed income from all of your sites. Well how on earth are you supposed to make a guaranteed income from all of your sites, if you cant promote it on your site as a pop up? Im cluless, but I wil never promote them again.
Just thought I would weigh in on this.
I have been paid twice by ECF, the latest was on July 20th, for $53.07. It took a little bit to get the payment, but I just allow for it. I don't need the money from them, it is just a nice addition. I have also been paid for the affiliate program. So in total, I have been paid over $100 since the beginning of the year, even subtracting the upgrade cost.
I advertise my site when I think about it. I especially have good luck with the higher clicking PTRs, such as Paidmailinc, especially there because you can earn advertising through the credits you get by clicking ads. Also, a lot of members there advertise both ECF and SAS, so there is kind of an honor system to click each other's link.
There are a lot of good places to advertise your link, try to go with free, or calculate if the cost of an ad is well offset by your return (and I go by about 50% of what is said I get to be sure.) Again, they are slow, but I think they do an awful lot of checking accounts.
A note on their policies, at first I had a link on an autosurf by accident, and when I cashed out first time the admin mentioned it, but said since it was such a small percentage of my clicks, they would allow it that time only, and I of course removed the link, and all was well. So they are responsive to those who they feel are unknowingly doing something against their TOS.
I have a comment I would like to make on all these people lately calling this program and that one a scam, but I want to formulate a good statement first, and start its own thread (if I don't get lazy on it.)
I have been paid twice by ECF, the latest was on July 20th, for $53.07. It took a little bit to get the payment, but I just allow for it. I don't need the money from them, it is just a nice addition. I have also been paid for the affiliate program. So in total, I have been paid over $100 since the beginning of the year, even subtracting the upgrade cost.
I advertise my site when I think about it. I especially have good luck with the higher clicking PTRs, such as Paidmailinc, especially there because you can earn advertising through the credits you get by clicking ads. Also, a lot of members there advertise both ECF and SAS, so there is kind of an honor system to click each other's link.
There are a lot of good places to advertise your link, try to go with free, or calculate if the cost of an ad is well offset by your return (and I go by about 50% of what is said I get to be sure.) Again, they are slow, but I think they do an awful lot of checking accounts.
A note on their policies, at first I had a link on an autosurf by accident, and when I cashed out first time the admin mentioned it, but said since it was such a small percentage of my clicks, they would allow it that time only, and I of course removed the link, and all was well. So they are responsive to those who they feel are unknowingly doing something against their TOS.
I have a comment I would like to make on all these people lately calling this program and that one a scam, but I want to formulate a good statement first, and start its own thread (if I don't get lazy on it.)
ECF sux. Did anyoane got paid? Me not. They said i had hits form autohitters and deleted my account, altrough 99,99% of hits were good...
Dan
Dan
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