I do not know about the rest of you, but some of these programs are getting utterly rediculous. You request payout, then wait your 30 days per their TOS, and during that 30 days you get a I have troubles, let me sob to my members excuse. So then the 30 days passes and you quote get nothing, so again it is another contact from you to the WM. Who quote never responds or you get another Oh let me sob again and make them feel sorry for me response from them.

People lets get something straight here. I do not wish to here the Bull, I do not want to hear about my mom has had this happen or my cat stubbed its stupid toe, or my brakes are bad, or I need more money to open another stupid program that quote does not pay. I do not want to know your troubles, I signed on to read emails, and do searches and clicks, not watch OPRAH, or listen to the particular SOAP OPERA of the day. You either get this or the program sends nothing, no updates, no emails no nothing.

Flat out, I just want paid. Not those stupid over and over again excuses and sob stories.


On this I do not mean the programs that pay, they are the ones that should be praised over and over. I am meaning the programs and trust me they know exactly who they are who continuously sob, or whine over and over again. Or give excuses or claim stress repeatedly when it comes to payments. Sorry cannot handle the frying pan then get the heck out of this fire.

There I feel much better now.

In total agreement, Tigress...you said it!

I don't even know why, after taking 8 months to reach payout, it takes another 30 days to get it!!! Or even longer!!!

It's really quite annoying, wms.

Totally agree! Hate those whiny WM's and their redundant excuses! Well, excuse me if I worked for months clicking those 1/4 cent links! It shouldn't take months for you to pay me because I earned you more than that every time I clicked and my money should be there to send to me!

Sadly this is another example of POs who do not follow their own Terms of Service, and there seems to be nothing that can be done about it.

If members break the TOS, they are in trouble - including the possibility of having their account deleted and all their earnings confiscated. Yet when a PO breaks their TOS, most often there is nothing to be done.

Most POs give themselves extra time to pay by including the "reasonable time after" clause in the payment section of the TOS. Some POs just have a REALLY WILD idea of what's reasonable. For me, if they've already had 30 days to pay and they haven't done it yet, that's UNREASONABLE, so any additional time is also UNREASONABLE, unless I have been personally contacted by the WM and have agreed to accept a later pay-out date.

Cheers,

Wil

(edited for spelling)

LOL,omg that was funny. Thanks for the laugh I needed that real bad. I agree whith you.

We must all be on the same page. What bugs me is the sites that have more than one person running them and still takes 30 days to check the account. My 30 days is almost up, I hope tigeress we aren't talking about the same program. , I could be in for a long wait.
Hugs,
Kim

The trouble with some programs is that they may not be making a profit (if they paid), so they just cannot afford to pay...

Do the math on ad prices and what the ad will earn the members, if all the ads are being sold under cost (allow for referral earnings), then most likely you will never see your earnings...

A site may have a special on one type of ad and still make a profit overall, but if all ads sell at cost or under RUN AWAY...

In response to jordi49 post:

1) Is it anyones fault? That these particular WMs did not plan ahead for tomorrow, when there may not be a lot of paying ads? and have money to fall back on? Answer: NO

2) Is it anyones fault that the WMs sent TONS of searches and were paid because of our HARD WORK, and now do not wish to pay due to other expenses that they feel are more important than their members? Answer: NO

3) Is it anyones fault that they made the payout or whatever not up to an amount that they could in the end pay their members? Answer: NO

I mean this is just pure rediculous, you mean to tell me that these programs cannot afford the 50 cents or $2.00 they owe us. It is not like any of us are requesting the vault at Fort Knox or something. For land sakes you pathetic WMs who do not pay, start Knocking off GumBall machines if necessary BUT GET US MEMBERS PAID, and quit with the petty excuses. We are tired of hearing them.

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!


New Owners.........criminal charges....RUDE attitudes..........Theives...Liars
and the list goes on

Why do we even bother?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

If the WM can't pay his/her members, maybe he or she should get out of the PTR business.


Edited to ad "or she"

is this a dig at me or am i being paranoid?

CashRoyal this in no way is at you. I belonged to your program a while back and you always paid. Plus, you never, ever gave excuses. You gave it straight. Just like it took guts to send out the email that you did concerning your program now.

So relax.....Not at you at all

well, this got me curious. i just checked my files and i sent a payment request per TOS to a very popular program 32 days ago.

the terms do have that "30 days or reasonable time thereafter" clause.

this program owner seems to be able to take in lots of money from advertisers and get ads out pretty quick .... so, how "reasonable", in terms of time, do i need to be here before inquiring about my payment?

to me reasonable time after 30 days is NO more than 10 days. I have patience, but only so much. One program in particular I am having a problem with getting payment has been since around the 20th of June. I have heard excuses till my head hurt. I have watched people defend her in this forum, defend her stress, her problems, her program. I have listened to people within this forum say yes be patient she always pays. Well 2 months is more than long enough for payment. it is only $1.00+ now due to requesting 2 payments now. And the best now is NO CONTACT at all. No responses via her support thread, no emails to earn more money....nothing. No reasons other than the flimsy excuses she gave almost 2 weeks ago.

Lets put a scenario here. I as a member to these programs give you a sob story of my dog farted, and it caused me to have a allergy attack, causing me to rush to the hospital, where they then operated on my left arm which is where the actual pain was. So due to this most recent surgery I clicked the wrong link, causing my account to be deleted. You must believe me this is the truth.

Or here is another one: I want you to run my ad for this really great program. But I do not want to pay you for it, until I see results or until I see my ad go out.

I mean this is the kind of crap that gets fed to us when we request payments, excuses, excuses.

I have patience, I can show sympathy, and compassion. My question in pure PLAIN english is when is enough, really enough????

Well,at least you were able to request payout.Im in a program where I reached payout nearly 2 weeks ago and the po still hasn't put up the payout redemption button,although there are redemption options for spending my hard earned cash on upgrades and ads..What can be done about it?We either quit or keep putting up with the crap.

I just hate it when that happens!!

Just a quick note.....

Being a WM I try to get ALL payouts done in 48 hours or less - sometimes it takes me up to 7 days depending on how many other requests I have as well. Once due to illness it took a couple of weeks.

BUT it is my mission to make every effort to get payouts to members in 7 days or less from the day they requested. So far I am doing pretty good at that.



The search link thing bugs me too. Most say you cannot incentivize them. So I made a special page on the site so members could promote their search stuff without fear of losing their accounts over it.

I also have links posted there.

What do other WM's do with all the funds generated by these? Mine goes into paypal then out to members as fast as it comes in..... I did not work for this money the members did - thus it does not belong to me and is not mine to spend.


Same with auction money - it comes in and is delegated out to members for payouts, contests or whatever is due out. Balance sits until someone else requests payout.

The search thing really I mean REALLY bugs me!!!! Sites like say - Cosmic Wealth - of which I am a member and have been paid but it took 6 weeks for them to pay - if all the members are doing at least 1 valid search then they are making money? Why does it take so long to get paid?

I can say this - it also seems like - and I may be wrong - but it SEEMS like the sites that have the most issues with "hackers", server crashes, etc - are those with high payouts and send TONS of search links. Members get near payout and BAM we gotta a problem houston! So where does the money go?????

Being silly here tonight - members should know what you are doing with what THEY have worked hard for........


BTW - what site are we talking about anyway??????

ET

Excellent point...but it isn't good enough to just quit these programs because they will have your money and you will have a bitter pill to swallow. After all, do you think they care if you quit or not? Someone else will come along right behind you and settle for quarter penny links and lengthy payout times. The only way to fight this is like I posted in Jay's links. We have to start a site where programs have to be approved and monitored....where POs have to register their contact information and members have to register in order to get a PIN number so they can join these sites. If we don't, we will keep losing and they will keep winning.

Me too gotta vent bout something happened earlier today!!!

A few of you know I am inot older cars and know how to build engines and do 99 % of my own maintenance ok?


So, I go into the tire place to get Lewis some used tires for his work jeep. Dressed in work clothes myself and obviously been working on the vehicle the guy undertakes to tell me what I want!!!!

BIG MISTAKE!!!!!

This male thing of them thinking women don't know squat about cars has got to end!!!!!!

Nothing pisses me off more than to go to a parts store and me KNOWING my little celica is a 4 wheel drive and the moron behind the counter telling me there is no such thing!!!!!!

I have been rebuilding engines since I was 16 years old so excuse me if I know the 65 SS impala had a 283 small block with a 2 speed power glide transmission and I want to buy piston rings for it!!!! I think I know what I want.


So, if any of you guys work at a parts store and a woman comes in covered in grease with a handful of hydraulic lash adjusters do not attempt to tell her how to put them back in or what tools she would need.

If she is covered in grease, has the lifters in her hand it would stand to reason that she just removed them herself and would know where they cam from and how to put them back in!!!!!


AND never tell a woman you can't change rod bearing without pulling the engine cause I done it in an 89 Dodge Grand Caravan!!!!!!!


I hate it when men think the auto world is their little circle!!!!

I will race ya anytime!!!! I will blow your doors off too


ET

ok had my vent ( can't spell male chavenist pig!!!)

BTW - I want to buy a 1990 celica gt-s 4WD for parts pm me if you are in usa and know of one

Dear ET -

It is spelled MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! and it's even better when they tell a woman how to do *women's* work - e.g. I was an executive secretary at one time and I have met men who try to tell ME how to type a letter! LOL Twerps!

I was a shipper/receiver at a lumber yard once and I operated the forklifts, unloaded trucks and basically even had to teach the young boys they hired how to properly operate the lifts, etc....you should have seen the things I've seen. Some truckers got all upset when I unloaded their trucks even though I was very good at it and never spilled loads or had accidents. One guy told me I was taking away a man's job....he was so hateful...I said: "Well, actually you men are taking away jobs from the women who need to work to feed the kids you left behind for some bimbo half your age."

Then I ran him over. LOL (No, just kidding) But he shut his blankety-blank mouth after that.

Moral of the story? There is nothing men do that is so allmighty difficult that women can't do. And do well.

stand and pee. (just kidding)

Ummm...... I must be really weird I have a daughter who could do just that!!!!

She was hiking in the hills and had to go - being young - very young - she done what was natural and dropped the brithches and went. Never got a drop on her clothes and out peed the boys. Needless to say since this was a school event I was called to the school when they returned from the hike.

But - NEVER underestimate a female - we can surprise ya!

My husband gets tickled at me cause I do not believe there is a single thing more satisfying than rebuilding an engine on your own, cranking it and hearing it purr. It is the most satisfying thing I have ever felt. Why - because I done it on my own.

I too like POWER TOOLS!!!!! I can operate a back hoe - which is sooooooooo fun!!!! I worked summers with my husband in construction for years. The nail gun is neat too. But in the South - that is a man's work and women are still breaking ground there.

If I ever did go back into the work force it would have to be in construction since that is where I am truly happy and it is near impossible for a woman to get hired as a mechanic.


ET

*would rather be here with my members though, since I do this full time now *

Ummm...... I must be really weird I have a daughter who could do just that!!!!

She was hiking in the hills and had to go - being young - very young - she done what was natural and dropped the brithches and went. Never got a drop on her clothes and out peed the boys. Needless to say since this was a school event I was called to the school when they returned from the hike.

But - NEVER underestimate a female - we can surprise ya!

My husband gets tickled at me cause I do not believe there is a single thing more satisfying than rebuilding an engine on your own, cranking it and hearing it purr. It is the most satisfying thing I have ever felt. Why - because I done it on my own.

I too like POWER TOOLS!!!!! I can operate a back hoe - which is sooooooooo fun!!!! I worked summers with my husband in construction for years. The nail gun is neat too. But in the South - that is a man's work and women are still breaking ground there.

If I ever did go back into the work force it would have to be in construction since that is where I am truly happy and it is near impossible for a woman to get hired as a mechanic.


ET

*would rather be here with my members though, since I do this full time now *

I know how you feel, turner28. When I was a kid I built a couple of Pinewood derby cars. And I did it with no help from anyone (well, except with the electric saw, which no 10 year old should be operating alone).

Every year the local Boy Scouts would hold the Pinewood Derby, and I entered myself in the Family division. The first year I entered my little car, the boys had just been given a brand new track built by one of the scout's fathers, who was a carpenter. This man, Harry, also built his son's derby car, which he proudly presented to him on the day of the race. It was an impressive car. It was also obviously not built by a child in grade school.

Being a girl, I was not allowed to compete with the other boys. Instead, I was put in the Family division, which meant I would be racing against all the boys' fathers (and one or two other girls) including Harry. Imagine his disgust when my car won first place on the track that he had built by hand. From that day on, he made sure to be as rude as possible whenever I was around, actually yelling at me on a couple of occasions (once for accidentally touching his precious track).

He eventually left the troop and took his track with him (can you take back a donation?), leaving the boys with no way to hold the next derby. What a sore loser.

*Sorry for derailing the thread, but I thought some would like the story*

Returning to the actual subject of this thread, I totally agree. I could list quite a few webs that don't pay quickly - in their TOS.

Its all pretty bad.

At least a few pay: submit4u - they don't pay at all. And thats just naming one!!!

Going to add my 2 cents on this one. I reached pay-out a few months back on a site and clicked for the $5.00 cash-out, I am a gold member and could have cashed out at 3 but decided to hold out for 5 and reached it to.
2 months and nothing, no return e-mail, nothing, I have asked nicely and still nothing.
The site had problems at one time around my cash out so I have been more than nice to wait 2 months to even ask if I was still in the pay-out line, no answer.

We all did get an e-mail the other day saying ads come before pay-outs, to me this is a load of bull shoot.
I worked and worked to make me and the webmastress money, she has her money but I have yet to see mine. If nothing comes about in a few weeks, I will openly state the name of this site as bad site, non-paying!
Tos is 30 days not 45 or even 60, change tos if you can not pay in the time frame that is stated and that goes for all slow paying sites!




linda

well slap me and call me happy, just got a reply from the webmistress on the above post and lets just say I am a bit ###### and hurt, when and if I do get my money, I will be gone from her site for good, no need to make someone feel like shot just cause they asked about the money owed them!

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

I am with YOU....I too am a women, and have worked on more cars than my dad and hubby put together...When something goes wrong OUR car, it is ME who finds the problem......But when I go to wreckers or spare parts places, men ALWAYS try to RIP me off!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Or try to tell me, what I need......For crying out loud, does it make you feel like your manhood will fall off, if you even ackowledge that I may know more than you?????

Get over men......and NO I am not a feminist, just a car lover!!

BTW ET, I will race ya any time, faster the better...But ya will have to get your car shipped to Australia first...hehehe!!

Ok....Now I am going to add something about the actual subject of this thread...

I pay my members within 2 days....The only reason it would take me longer, is if I have to trade some paypal for e-gold.....I at NO time leave myself with NO money for payouts...EVER.

I do not have to rely on payments from searches...Sure payments from search engines or exitcashflow go straight into opalmail, but I have money on hand, until it comes in.

I hate having to wait, so figured my members will NEVER have to wait for more time than is humanlly possible...The only reason for me ever not paying within a few days would be 1) I am dead (hoope this doesn't happen soon ) 2) I am VERY sick (just having a cold or whatever, does not prevent me from takimg an hour to check accounts for payouts!) or 3) I am on holiday, and my members already know this...or 4) I have been hacked, and have to refund my payment accounts!!!!

I am at this moment waiting for about 6 payments.

1 is for $6.00 from PocketJingle...I am a goldmember, and have never been paid.....and really like Brenda, but I have been at payout for 4 months now....I hope she hasn't forgotten about me.

2 Maiingheaven...for 2 months...I requested at $5.00 my account is now at $12.00...I have even changed my option to paypal, and I requested again yesterday....and the money was automatically taken from my account, so I do hope I see it again.

3 Aloha Cash about 3 weeks....I saw a few had been paid, so I hope mine is in the next week or so

4 Nilecash...I requested about 10 days ago, when my account was $6.00 it is now $12.00, on the day I requested, I recieved a paid e-mail saying payments were being done that night, and I have seen others paid since then, but not me ....Must be catching up, as they have had heaps.

There are more, just cant call right now.

I have waited 2 months for 2 search engines to pay me...I finally got it...so shouldn't whinge u say....well, it does state 30 days, but guess they think at least I was paid

To Alohacash and Nilecash I am not complaing about you guys, as I know you state 30 days....Was just showing what I was owed etc etc, and days I had waited on programs I have redeemed at.

To add insult to injury......Not ONE e-mail from Brenda or Lan, or anyone else, to say they have recieved my request, it is in-line, or when I might be paid...NOTHING!!!....I only want to be ackowledged so I know YOU have seen my redemption....Is that so hard???????????

But just to say nothing, I find VERY VERY rude!!

I am one of the most understanding people u will ever meet.....But everyone has there limits....I just want 1 e-mail...that is all I ask.

Ok....enough from me...who wants the soap box next?....Opps...I seem to have put my foot thru it...sorry, be careful you dont get splinters ...lol

cashed out:
pmi- 2 or 3 months ago
nile cash-8/24
readtoberich-8/20
cheeandchongs-last part of july
earnwithchris- 8/20
iceburglettuce- 8/20
tottaly duh 8/22
Paid by:

email evolution-paid me
paid2link-paid me
nutcase-paid me
netrewards-paid me
link traffic- paid me
clickvault-paid me
lmspaidmail- paid me
clickncash=paidme
webewebbin-paid me
gold-salery=paid me

thats about it for pay-out, alot not reached yet.

Be thankful...I got deleted and my money stolen because I asked for what was owed to me

sorry to hear that Shelly, care to share the program name so I do not join?

wel. not really arguing with ya, however......

in some jobs a women just does not seem to last....like mine. we had several female's working here before but none of them lasted. Some were actually quite decent at it but i guess there is something about standing on a wobbly 3 by 4 feet little platform 40 feet up in the air in a -2 to -6 degrees(fahrenheit) environement while heaving 20 to 40 pound boxesaround, that they do not seem to like ...hmmm, i wonder why :-). the only women ever to last more than 4 months (that is over the past 10 years or so) did very well. She was born and raised on a farm and had always done a lot of physical labor. Hence she was built quite uhmmm strong.

so the moral of MY story is, yes a women can do just about anything men can do, but certain jobs are not very suitable for most women simply because most women are build lighter then men and cannot handle the physical labor involved.

On that note also, i do not have the foggiest idea how to fix a car, i always take it into the shop

sorry for the oftopicness

The problem is that Program Owners who violate their own TOS can do it and feel reasonable assured they will get away with it. Who is going to take them to court over a $2 payout?

I think the Program Owner should at least have the decency to contact the member if they are not going to pay them as per the TOS. A quick email to say "Sorry, I know the TOS says 30 days, but its going to be another 3 days before I can pay you" and then they need to make D-MN sure they pay by the end of the extension.

Of course, it would be nice if the Program Owner rewarded the understanding member with a little bonus payment, but I'm sure most of us would just be happy to get paid what we're owed.

I agree that it would be nice if Program Owners could acknowledge your payment request - at least that way you know it went through. Otherwise you end up waiting the 30 days or whatever the TOS says only to find out the PO didn't receive your payment request.

One thing you might try, if you've politely emailed and still heard nothing, is to send the PO a letter, preferably a registered letter, requesting payment. Of course you can only do that if you have a mailing address for the PO, but often you can get that from their domain registration info.

I agree with Jypsy that quitting programs and letting them have your earnings isn't the answer. If a PO owes you money, quitting doesn't hurt them one little bit.

Good luck to all of you who are waiting on payments!!!

Cheers,

Wil

LOL

I wasn't defending anyone...

Of course it's the WM's fault if they adopt a faulty business plan... LOL

I was just offering an explanation of why this happens even when the WM is NOT trying to run a scam...

i totally agree!

thanks

Wow what alot of programs not paying. I have 2 that so far my longest wait ones.

Titanic Rewards, and Egold Clicks. Now Egold Clicks sent me a email, very shortly after my posting here and also my posting, in a earlier thread, she said I should be paid here in the next week, so I will wait patiently again. Now Titanic Rewards I am not sure, I posted in her thread, I emailed last month, I have waited patiently, since June for the first payment of mind you only 50 cents. In that 30 day TOS wait, I cashed out another 50 cents, well now it has been also 30 days with that one and now over 60 days on the first one. I have heard excuse after excuse with this one.

Do not get me wrong, Titanic Rewards has always been nice, informative in the past, pleasant to deal with. She has always paid I guess as well to other people, but not to me. These were my first payouts with her, and SORRY she is not cutting it. She is not following her own TOS of 30 days, I am not requesting egold either, I am requesting paypal. I do not want to hear about her computer problems, I have my own, I do not want to know about her emotional problems, I have my own, I do not want to hear about ANY PROBLEMS of hers, I have enough of my own. I just want paid, so that then YES I can quit her program. Now if Titanic Rewards would at least respond to my post in her support thread of Anybody know what is up, or let me know when I can expect payment within a reasonable time frame now mind you, as I already have waited over 60 days for the first one, then again I will wait patiently. I received a email from her on August 2nd, telling me that she had put back my points that the latter part of July were poorly converted mind you, back into my account. To this date still none of my payout request show in my members area, nor any updates from her, on when I can expect payment.

Now I learned early on in life Right from Wrong and sorry this is way wrong.

Now I am getting off the soap box as well, and yes I got a few splinters, am picking them out now with the tweezers.

and Jordi49 I knew that, was just going from your points is all. They were right on target of why these WMs feel they do not need to pay us.

Why not just have a blacklist of programmes?

At the moment we have a complaints thread on this forum, why not go another step and any programme that receives too many complaints goes on the the blacklist. That way new members can see straight away who the bad guys are and avoid them like the plaque, exisiting members who have not reached payout can see if they are like likely to be paid or not, then they can do what we ALL have the power to do, quit the programme.

If we all dumped the bad programmes, yes we would lose our money, which we were going to anyway, but the WM would lose their income. So we would be hurting them in their pockets.

That's just plain rediculous. That WM should be shot

One of the problems I think many of them run into is cash flow. I don't know this for sure, it is only my guess. I have had people tell me that I charge too much for my advertising, because it is higher than most other sites....the scary part is that I charge the amount of what my members will be paid and than I add a small amount on for downline earnings and hopefully somewhere in there I will make some money. My main objective is to help craft comanies and people who do crafts. My program is a little different and so I have few advertisers, although I am trying hard and I know a few of my members are as well.....my members are told what is going on and the fact that the ads are not coming in, but I will not change how my program is run. Some of my members signed up becauseof how I run my program. The only searches I have are for points and all money made converts all the points to cash. I get nothing from that as the owner. It is to give my members more chances to earn money due to lack of advertisers in emails.

The point I was trying to make (and got off the suject) is that when one page drops its price than advertisers (especially members wanting to promote a program) complain that this one charges more. In order to keep from losing advertisers they also drop their price and so on down the line. Now they aren't covering the amount that their members will earn much less their server or other expenses.

I don't understand why owners insist on hurting each other and themselves by cutting prices. I know this may not be the only reason some don't pay, but I think it is obviously part of it.

Ok, vent right?????

My turn!!!!!!
NON READING MEMBERS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


That felt good, maybe now I can go answer the emails civily!


How many times should I accept the same question from a member when the answer has been given at least 5 times all ready?

ET

Hi ET...

Just send them a note saying your question has been answered HERE (wherever here may be).

Try NOT to berate or belittle the person...sure they are airheads, but they may be trying...some people are just that way and cannot help it...

Think of them as 3-5 year olds...

LOL

Not being paid oonce it is earned (and sometimes after many months) ... This is one of the most frustrating aspects of doing this!!!

We have a topic in praises and applauses that says "Who has paid you in "MONTH""

Well why don't we start a topic in the complaints folder:

"Who owes you a redemption more than 30 days old"

I suggest 30 days, because that is the MOST I will accept as reasonable and IS MORE than enough time for any WM to pay. This post could work in conjunction with the praise one.

Praise: we see directly who pays
Complaint: we see directly who DOESN'T pay.

A detail I think should be followed if anyone wants to start a topic like this: Once / IF you are paid ... YOU MUST GO BACK AND EDIT THE ORIGINAL POST YOU MADE, not jsut add a reply to the topic saying "XYZ PTC" finally paid me, as people reading t from the start may only see the complaints.

Let me know what you guys (and girls ... strong willed ones at that) think about this, and someone feel free to start it!

Great Idea, but can't start it myself since I've been paid by everyone so far, and the only issue pending is with Kays re-starting the program...

I'm not hitting the cashout button at Tasias though... LOL

I think its a good idea - start the thread and I will praise a lo and moan about afew

worthatry excellent idea, where is that thread. there is another one we need which is a blacklist thread on programs that have crashed, in order to get them out of this industry. Right now the top one is Kays, ooooooooo that makes me so mad, just POOF and everything gone all because a irresponsible WM chose not to do backups. Nope to me it is just her way to clean the slate and get out of that other harsh thread against the program due to deleting members. Do not believe one word about her program crashing, because if that be the case then why a complete change around within her program. Different payout rate, different TOS Is just one more excuse for members not to be paid. Seems funny that she has that info so she says, and she has some members email addresses as that is clearly shown by the email sent out. Come on

Stay away from KAYS

Show her that her program is not worth a second glance, and we the MEMBERS are not going to take it anymore. No more excuses

OK, since a few of you have already agreed with me that a "Whow owes you a redemption more than 30 days late post" is a good topic, I am off to start one. I invite those who have been abused to post ther. IN the first post I am going to give some rules about how to post there.

PLEASE try to follow my format so others will all use the same. I think it will then be useful to all of us to see which sites are consistently NOT paying and therefore ones to stay away from. This may help keep some WM's honest.

From it we may then also have a "summary" post created each month, again just like the "who has paid you in "MONTH"" topics.



It is now created and can be found here:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=0&#entry990337

Already posted mine