I have received some payments from FastCashEmail that are
underpaid.

1st time it happened...

6/15/02
21:00 Payment Received 6761080 Gold +0.210470 359887 67.14 USD 319.00
From: Christopher's E-Gold Account
Memo: FastCashEmail Payout

But in my acct, he removed an extra $1:
E-Gold Payout - 6/15/2002 $-68.1400

2nd time it happened...

7/21/02
18:22 Payment Received 7189327 Gold +0.030874 359887 10.00 USD 323.90
From: Christopher's E-Gold Account
Memo: FastCashEmail Payout

And according to his new rules, he can now just "steal"
members earnings if over $10 in balance...E-Gold Payout $-17.6766


Ive already been ripped of for $8.68 in just over
1 month. This is wrong, I cant believe he hasnt caused
a scandal regarding this newly imposed rule.

I even click all my links, but sometimes because of how many
referrals I have, my acct gets high fast and I dont login
constantly, I have work to do.

Shame, shame.

I'd say the majority of the webmasters here have lots of work to do too, thats why some keep a database, of logins, dates, amounts, totals, etc.

The $10 rule I understand, because he pays in egold, and someone could end up saving up a huge amount in their account, causing a big problem come pay day.

BTW, Chris is on a 3 week vacation, so he may not respond to this straight away.

Correct me if i'm wrong, since I am not much of an egold user, but couldnt that $1 discrepancy that you claim be the egold transaction fee? at 2 or 3%, if thats the case, doesnt that account for that missing dollar?

Nope, it wasnt the egold fee...

the egold fee comes after the initial spend in a separate transaction:

6/15/02
21:00 Payment Received 6761080 Gold +0.210470 359887 67.14 USD 319.00
From: Christopher's E-Gold Account
Memo: FastCashEmail Payout

6/15/02
21:00 Payment Receive Fee 6761080 Gold -0.001567 0.50 USD 319.00
Memo: FastCashEmail Payout

I pay members exclusively in egold too...so should I say
well - guys, even though I owe you $18, Im only paying you $10.

Yea ok !?!

Ok question, did you contact him about the discrepancy and did you get a response?

I checked it out, big downline, you're probably best putting a note on your monitor telling you to login every friday/saturday or whenever.

Actually I do only pay the $10...but the other $8 gets left in the
members acct until they redeem again.

If a member cashes out $5 of their balance, they get $5
same with $10...but I always leave the extra amount in the
acct. Wouldnt this be more suitable??

Not yet, but will. I just found the errors tonight after viewing
my acct at both FastCash and E-Gold.

I also felt it necessary to post because I wondered if others have
been underpaid as well; in addition to this new "rule" being ate up.

Ok well I have been handling the support email and no other indiscrepencies have been brought to my attention. Since I have only just been told about it, I have corrected it.

As for the second transaction, in my own opinion, he notified all members beforehand, and people are cashing before hitting $10. If he was underhanded, he would have gone and looted everyones accounts straight after sending out the update.

Whether or not I agree with the terms, as a webmaster and a member, I must respect those rules. I'd probably be very ticked off if I earned $100 and lost $90, but I was warned by the service update.

Yet ??!??



I see the change in my acct - thanks.



If he wasnt underhanded, than this rule wouldnt have started.



Being warned doesnt make this right.

Just because I dont have time or remember to login once
a week - I do have a life offline as well...doesnt mean I should
be debited balances not paid for IMHO and Im sure in many others too.

Bet he's glad he's not a member of his own site...
he'd lose some money for not redeeming fast enough, huh...
just 'cuz he went on vacation.

How sad.

Also since he is on vacation, does this mean I will lose
even more because he isnt here to pay me??

Yet? I learned not to jump to conclusions, gets very messy if you turn out wrong

Whether or not the rule is right/wrong, it was a solution to keeping redemptions running smooth. Putting in a rule like that, does not make him underhanded, someone who is underhanded is someone who is not upfront, or has a hidden agenda. If you put your payment request in before his 3 weeks vacation is up if your balance is high enough, i'll make sure its paid.

Alot of us have lifes offline, I personally hate having to click tons of paid email, but I understand the reasons behind it. There is always going to be a negative point to any company.

Alrighty then.



It dont bother me to promote sites and click their
links, but it does bother me when I am not paid
the balance due and am debited for it.

Yeah well my days seem to fly by, so i'd be quirky if I was debited, but rules/rules. I see webmasters charging fines now, maybe someone should purchase "trafficwardenmails.com"

Glad the situation is resolved, and hope that you give Chris a chance, hes really a decent guy.

Yea but...most of these so-called fines are 5 or 10cents...

Not $7 or more dollars.



You did add the $1 in question to my acct but...

I think this limitation of earning and stolen money
is an issue that should be looked at by others.
He shouldnt be able to just take members earnings
away, thats abuse of ownership in my opinion.



Somehow, I have to disagree considering he put a
"Boycott" at your DBE forum against MulahMail
with absolutely no reason. Which btw is pretty
freakin' dumb considering how much money my
members make AND GET PAID for participation.

Yes I seen it before you made members login.

Also, I no longer own ProfitEasy, so you yourself
should take down your boycott of it as well.

How pathetic.


hmmm...no login anymore? couldve swore there
was not very long ago.


Chris say's Im a rude webmaster - hah
at least I will pay my members their real balance

Well this was about your support problem, not about my company.

I have lots more work to do than I used to have, so I have lots of moderators, and if members want to have a forum section, I approve it. If they list someone, it is not done by my request. These people are capable of thinking for themselves and do not need me to babysit them.

Whether you see anything in there or not, it doesnt concern me, you have a right to go in and post a response if you feel its wrong but I wont be involved in the argument, its not my fight. People jumped on you when you made your program changes, but what you do with your company is entirely up to you, as a webmaster I respect that each webmaster can make changes to their own program. So I understand that part.

The reason that you were listed for boycott by members was because they considered you rude, they did not say that you were a scam. If you do not own that place anymore, then it should be removed, but its not my place to tell my members what they can or cant do. Whether or not you called me, or the forum pathetic, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I do not have the time to persue boycotts, or keep up with boycotts. When you were arguing with the other webmasters, granted, it was your right to change the program, but it was a fight that appeared publicly, and when the public see these fights, they draw their own conclusions. Its not my boycott.

I don't have the time for personal vendetta's, paybacks, crusades, or whatever you want to call them. Right now my only goal is to get the funds, so I can get to the USA for christmas. I wont get caught up in brawls, and I have no interest in keeping up with what you, or anyone else is up to.

What I will do, is make it known at the forum, that you have stated that you no longer own profiteasy, and I will suggest it be removed. Normally i'd tell people that have a problem, to take it up directly with them, but i'll do it anyway. If you want to make a comment in there, feel free, and no your posts wont be modified or deleted.

Why did you sell/get rid of profiteasy anyway? you dont have to answer that, but curious anyway.

Funny you mention personal and kept referring to
your members because you are the one that posted
this below...need I say more?

The Chosen One

Group: Super Administrators
Posts: 671
Joined: April 2002
Posted: May 18 2002,07:55

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Personal boycott for me, profiteasy.com is owned by Mulah Mail.

True, Very True, I did say that, I am personally boycotting it for my own reasons

BUT

I did not add it to the boycott list, I have more sense than that

Off topic...I sold ProfitEasy because I was informed by my
host that the site used so many server resources due to
all the mailings taking place and that it would eventually
need to be moved to a dedicated ip or something....
just didnt want the hassle of when that time would arrive.

A good online friend purchased it from me.

I didnt see any prior posts mentioning it.

There was no mention prior, I did not add it to the list, they had their own reasons which I believe were listed.

As for hosting stay clear of burst.net, I couldnt recover DBE afterwards, and my PH site was damaged. I had to get new scripts, completely new. They hoofed me out because of the member tools.

Well here we go again.

Mulah - you posted stuff about someone you have a grudge against. You've posted it on forums without asking the person the reasons first.

Common decency would have been to contact Chris first before blasting your remarks on forums.

Then you complain about the way Chris has changed his terms - just the once - something you have done yourself many times on MulahMail.

Double standards I think.

Then you go off topic and have a dig at another person you have a grudge with which has nothing to do with this thread.

Is it what you come to this forum for? To have a blast once a month at those you don't like.

If so, why not go play somewhere else.

I'd probably be angry if someone did a public boycott against any of my sites, if it was down to a grudge, but as I explained, its a community, and I rarely get involved, and hopefully the record is straight on that. The support issue was dealt with, and i'll pass the word on in the forum since that site has changed hands, so everything should be sorted out now.

Its stupid to get caught up in brawls and going over history time and time again. I've moved on, I have a whole set of new problems, maybe we could all just have a truce or something.

Tell me about it - you always follow me around and leave your
snide remarks, just like I proved at iSAAF already.

Im not posting due to a grudge, Im posting because
I was not fully paid the amount debited and also because
I am concerned about constantly losing money for no reason.




So when you blasted sure2win, did you try talking to the webmaster first?

The main reason I posted was because I wondered if others
may have had this problem as well as this new rule...as I mentioned
earlier in a post.



Its not double standards, deleting inactive members
is diferent than claiming payments made that were not.



Off-topic? Wayne was here talking to me and claimed Chris was
nice and that I should give him a chance, all I did was let it be
known why I disagreed and that he should remove that boycott
that should have never been listed in the 1st place.



I resent that comment. I know absolutely no one personally in this
forum and its not right of you to make judgements on my behalf...
I simply have my own opinion and feel I should be able to express
them on this and any other forums as others do.

You seem to be the one with the problem, you jump down my
throat any chance you get. Im beginning to think its either
jealousy or because you feel inferior somehow and must try
to give me a hard time in front of others.



Wayne...no grudge...I just wanted to set the record straight
about ProfitEasy not being mine, is all.

Ok, I made a post in the general boycott section saying that the site was under new ownership, and that I would appreciate it if they removed it. I would have edited/removed it myself but I couldnt find, unless it was cut-off date. If you manage to locate the link then i'll deal with it.

Then theres this fighting/arguing, we're going to end up bumping into each other occasionally online, so can't we just say truce and go our seperate ways? and just say peace? the issues were taken care off

Take your gripes and complaints off the forums and use Private Messages, email or other methods to deal with them. GPF is a friendly place where there shouldn't be all this bickering.

Excuse me, but I am in the Complaints section.

LOL!

Aww, King, what fun would that be?

I put in a request 2 days ago at $6...Im already at $8
and will begin losing more money. Please pay me.

See - this is rediculous, I could have under $10
and request payment, and Chris could still take
my money if he waits long enough to pay.

um, I think you are and that's my opinion - this post was about discrepancies in your stats at FastCashEmail yet somehow you manage to try to discredit Wayne yet again.



Many times through email and this forum without reply, you just need to look at the Sure2Win threads and see how there are no replies.




Try looking at the opinion you expressed below and tell us if this is an opinion or an insult?



I certainly don't jump down your throat every time, I'm simply expressing an opinion each time I see you trying to discredit other people because it is yourself who always starts it off.

Final from me on this one, I'VE EXPRESSED MY OPINION, as they ask, this is a forum that should be without squabbles

Chris has a very fast payment response time, i've always been paid within 24 hours, so I doubt the wait would cause a dent in earnings, and if it did, I have no doubts at all, that he would pay the complete balance.

Since i'm helping a friend out, I have 8 sites to deal with, which is why I could not get to the redemption sooner, and if it had gone over being my fault, i'd have paid the additional myself.

Payment has been sent please confirm.

I'll be taking care of things, for another week or week and a half, not sure on the time, so if it gets near 10 again, let me know.

i don't see anything wrong with the way mulahmail has expressed herself...i have no idea what kinda grudges all you people have against eachother but the way i read these posts is just like a member expressing concern about her earnings.

So roughly how long will it take for you to make payments until Chris comes back? I waited for over 48 hours so far.

I'll start getting into things on Monday, with the exception of sending out the mails for chris. Its the weekend, and its family time

When chris comes back, things will be back to normal and i'll have my own sites managed by someone else, so on the whole, everything should speed up, I wont be contactable after that.

I received the payment. Thanks Wayne.



Exactly!



That is obviously an opinion.



Your right, my mistake...not EVERY time...just 9 times out of 10.
Thanks for correcting me on that - lol.



So please quit squabbling!

You sent an email out saying no time to send paid ads
because you are too busy?? Im sure you can find better
things to do with your time, dont you?

Gee I should never have cried in my wheetos when Sunset Beach was cancelled, I got all the drama I need in here.

I waited for over 148 hours so far...

Hey Wayne,

My mom is here visiting and didnt want to join
the forum under my ip but has a question she
would like to ask:

She would like to know why she hasnt received
any paid emails for 11 days from EmailEarners.
She has also cashed out at over $15 and wants
to know if her money will be taken too.

She would appreciate a response...luvangels49

Thanks.

Yea but it isnt really Wayne's place to be
making these payments...its Chris and he
should have made additional arrangements
regarding this...what bothers me is the amount
of money he is/will be taking in the process.

Theres a reason for no emails at emailearners. Email Earners had not been fully converted to Cash Crusader scripts, and was mostly in the old CAC scripting. As you know, MyEcom had a hard disk failure recently, resulting in the loss of data. Before Chris went away, he had typed up, and saved all emails for me to send out. All I had to do, was access the mailer there, click send, exit, return, repeat the same the next day.

With the site not being converted, all of these presaved emails were lost, and I was unsure of what to do. I did not know the exact contents of these emails, and since the site isnt mine, its not my business to go creating paid emails without permission of the owner.

Also - To add to that, all email accounts on all 4 of chris's sites had their emails on forward, meaning they'd end up at my Paradise Hits site. After the hard disk failure, this was reserved, and accessing the email is next to impossible since some of the access codes are different to what I was given.

I hope that the explanation given above is understandable, there is an explanation to the myecom hard disk failure somewhere else in this forum.

Can you elaborate on the money being taken part?

Actually I meant reversed not reserved. Sorry

She wants to know if EmailEarners now also
has the same policy to take members earnings away
if not cashed out before $10 because she had over $15.

I don't care much. I will just wait until he come back

I'll have to check the terms on that, I was told to do a personal clickthru check, and given a few other instructions, so he did make arrangements, I just didnt expect the settings to change when the failure happened. He'll do the same for me when I goto the states so its all good.

I'm still unable to get into some mail, where some redemptions are, so I ask for a little patience on some of it, just don't send the credit collection agency around just yet

Yeah I deserve a few souveniers. lets hope he has a bag full, i'm never handling 8 sites again ever.

I sent a PM to sheila the other day saying i'd take care of her moms payment but I dont have admin access to the new crusader scripts on EE. I'll need you to get your moms login info to me to check her amount so I can take care of it now, the longer, the worse. I cant help after Chris comes back since my work will end. So just giving you a quick reminder.

Who else but Chris Houlihan could think
of an idea like that? Apparently what I
posted about him in the past was
correct. He and his friend "venomx"
call Points2Cash a "scam", yet he
deducts and does not pay large
amounts of earnings. His friend
"venomx" sometimes pays members
after they wait several months...

Sorry Wayne...I hadnt been here in a few days...
my mom's email is luvangels49@hotmail.com

Your account balance after all transactions: $ 15.2060

Her egold #425879 (is in her updated profile section)

If you need anything else, let me know.

Got your pm, thanks for writing. If you need her complete
login (& password), I can pm it to you unless the balance
shown above is suffice?

Sheila

Where is the thread?

Mail sent. I didnt want my term ending without getting through the backlog, dont want to break my word.

As for this deduction and not paying huge amounts, i've seen no evidence of this. The only threads i've seen are in here, i'm tempted to use capping for egold,