Ok, I put an ad out for Exit cash flow....had 159 clicks on the ad so far yet I check my stats and I am only getting credit for 40?! Where are the other hits?


I shouldnt have said "ripping us off" sorry...but why arent our hits being counted?

ECF can be a slow load and you don't get credit if it doesn't completely load or if it isn't a unique hit.

Okay, first things first.

Yes, if the ECF page doesnt completely load then the hit doesnt count. But, ECF isnt always slow, I find it at times to be quite quick to load.


The other thing is, not everyone lets the ad load up fully. Some people just click the ad, then wait for the top part to load and stop the page from loading to stop the popup(s) on the ECF page from happening. Consequently with them doing that you dont get the hit, yet you get the hit on your ad.

Thank you, I thought it was ECF but it is actually the members who click on it

Yeah, it's very worrying.

I noticed it at times when it came to the click/click thread. I started to let each link within it to open completely before closing it and moving to the next.

I thought this program might be worth advertising but now I am not so sure

If you are going to advertise it do it for points.

Places like PaidMailInc are extremely good for it. Specially with it not taking long to get the points back to send out another sometime later.

Otherwise you watch the auctions. I managed to get lucky and got 10000 hits for about $8 with an auction that was being run a while back by Colleen. At the time I had about 7500 hits. I'm now at just over 16000 hits. So I didnt do too badly for it.

and as they must be "unique hit" if a e-mail or a paid-to click page has more then one ad for ECF the 1st one gets credict and the rest don't...so its not wise to put your ad on a website that has lots of ECF ads in the PTC section

Incorrect.


Unique hit goes on IP. If each person clicking it has a different IP, then that IP is what is counted. I have sent ads out in emails, each one had a time, each hit was recorded correctly as a hit.

unique as in You getting the hit.. I could go hit 10 different ecf links let them all load and they would all credit...

At least that is what i gathered from talking to the owner awhile back


edited to say: Jaikula Your to fast at posting

no that not right the site take you IP once a day thats it ..its one hit to the site...think about it and you will see that it takes and recortds your IP thats one hit for the day thats one "unique hit" if it records your IP again thats would be 2 in one day and they do not let you do that.

you are proveing my point the 1st ECF ad gets the "unique hit" from your IP and if you click on a 2nd one (next one on the list) it is no longer a "unique hit" as ECF has recorded you IP for that day......so only the 1st ECF ad you click each 24 hours count as a "unique hit"...can you see that/hope I said it right now

Incorrect again.

It is Unique hit PER IP PER person.

I can hit Lachlanm's ECF link, then hit mine, both will count.

Thanks for the ideas, I will only use points when using this link.

All I know is what they e-mailed me a few months ago when I wanted to know why my hits did not macth the ads I bought and they said on "unique hit" by a IP address per 24 hours for the site.

tim, you are wrong!

If I click on a ECF member's link, that member gets my unique hit to his page for that 24 hour period.

If I then click on a DIFFERENT ECF member's link, THAT member also get my unique hit to his page for that 24 hour period.

Each member's page has their own ref code in it.

I can click on different members' ECF pages all day long...and EACH OF THOSE MEMBERS will get one unique hit from me.

ECF Admins Dan and Dave have said this themselves in the ECF Forum. They have been asked repeatedly...and the answer is exactly what I described above.


Listen, as far as traffic exchange hits not matching stats on ECF.......

We all know darn well that traffic exchanges are showing our ECF page to the same users over and over all day long!

Tell me, how many times have you spent an hour on a traffic exchange and seen the same page from the same username/ID whatever...over and over and over again? Not just ECF pages, but lots of program ads.

I HAVE SEEN THAT PLENTY OF TIMES! Sometimes I see the same ad for a program by the same member 3 or 4 times an hour! Even on exchanges with thousands of members surfing.

Also there is a good possibilty that one person is a member at several of the same sites you are. Your page could be viewed by the same person/IP several times in a 24 hour period but on different exchanges, and also in the GPTR programs that you send your ECF link out in emails.

All of us belong to several GPTR programs and exchanges. We are all hitting eachother's pages several times a day.

I repost this specially for tim6johnson.

If I was getting what you say, then I think my stats there would reflect quite differently.

you two can argue this all day but the bottom line is I have never received credit for all clicks.In fact I usually receive credit for about 1/3 of them every time I run it

I also heard that it is 1 unique hit per IP per 24 hour period. But I still have my ad out at one or 2 places and do manage to get a few hits.

What that means is that if I click your ecf page at 12pm on tuesday and 11am on wednesday you wont get credit for the weds his cos 24 hours hasnt elapsed.

I would like to join ecf but this thing about using email ads and only getting a credit for a fraction of the hits is worrying. Did any of you send an ad to the same site a day or 2 earlier? Or did you send an ad to 2 or more sites within 2 or 3 days, that along with putting your ecf page on traffic exchanges might explain why you are getting hits but they are not unique?

My stats:

Hits: 32164 Cash: $35.38

Total: 32164 $35.38

so when can u expect that money?

Quack

Requested 21.6$ via PayPal two weeks ago. Maybe I will get them on September, full account amount.

Just another question, can someone give me url for ECF Forum please?

Thanks

they have a forum?

All you have to do is log in to your ECF stats area and it says: "Visit Our New Forums"
It is even highlighted. Just click the link

Thanks!!!!



Me just haven't time to search!!

And of course it's people like that that are stealing the advertising dollar/points and cheating everyone in the process.

now i do not get you 100%

sorry for that, but can you explain

Thanks..

Work it out.

You are doing ECF out of anything, you are doing the person that advertised their ECF link out of a hit by NOT allowing the page to load. You are cheating the WM by clicking that link and NOT allowing the page that is being advertised to load, yet you are allowing the timer bar to load.

It has NOTHING to do with whether or not you want to join ECF or not.

I advertise my link, not to get referals, but to get hits to the link. Get that much closer to being able to redeem my earnings.

Basically by stopping the page from loading like Thanatos statement, which sounds very much like what he does, you are cheating the person that advertises the link from getting a hit. Plus, you are cheating the WM by clicking the link. How, all you are allowing to load up is the timer bar. IF you are going to do that you might as well hit that stop button each time you click an ad and just view the timer bar.

$35.75

Gee, another one that sees it as a Paid to Click and NOT a Paid to Read/Visit.

You are paid to read the email and VISIT the members site. It is what you are paid for. It is part of the terms of all CC scripts sites.

Taken from those terms, and yes this is the same on three sites.




PS: Thanatos, please make sure that you dont join any of the sites that I manage/own in the future.

In all seriousness, how many times can one be expected to "view and read" the ECF site. There's nothing there but their own self-serving statistics. There is nothing of interest to read, explore or otherwise be amused by.

Probably a very smart move, Thanatos!

Has anyone heard of the old saying "Throw a bunch against a wall and see if any stick?" ...

Advertisers are well aware of the low percentages of people that actually join or purchase something from their site. Why do you think advertising rates are so low now? If they make one sell (or signup) per 300 to 500 page views, MOST advertisers are pleased.

Add to the fact that most of us webmasters/surfers keep advertising to the same group of people (maybe 20,000 to 50,000 of us PTC'ers) and we are bound to see repeat advertisements over and over. Thats why OUR websites CANNOT command the kind of revenue per impression/click that Yahoo or Aol can. They have a MUCH wider audience and thus, spread their advertisements out to more viewers than we can.

How do we remedy this? LOL ... Thats a tough one. First thing we need to do is combat the cheaters of our 'group' ... We all need to band together and report them. Maybe they will lose interest after awhile and 'pick' on some other type of site.

The way I see it, if the advertisers are happy with the results thus far and keep purchasing more advertisements, GREAT! If not, they will go somewhere else. It is not a perfect system but until someone comes up with a better solution, we all need to play the game if we want to stay in it.

Just my 2 cents,
Rod
http://shareadspace.com

I think they are ripping us off in the fact of payouts I have been waiting 2 months for payout. I have $40 and I have stopped advertising them. They have ripped me off for sure!!!!!!

They check over each account to make sure the hits on it are correct. So basically they check every single hit on the account.

Best place to check is their forum, the link is within the account section.

When I try to contact them regarding this problme, they wont even conatct me, plus, I am not the only one otehr people have complained about this too, so I will no longer promote them

My ECF stats (I had about 40 something before I advertised it)
ECF Popups


Ref Hits

Total Hits at $1.00 CPM Hits at $1.10 CPM*
0 $0.00 124 $0.14
Hits at $.10 CPM Hits at $.11 CPM*
0 $0.00 171 $0.02
Referral hits Updated: 2003-08-02

$0.16



Number of clicks from program I advertised it in 253


I need to advertise it more somewhere......question is....is it even worth trying?

have patience u guys, i hit my redeem button when i hit $20 six weeks ago and today i got paid $50.88, which was my total balance till date

yes, it took them six weeks to review my account, but it was worth it.

dont give up, it's a great program, and i happily click people's ecf links and allow the popups to load, we should all support each other.....

aawww...i'm getting mushy.....lol

lol Monica....congrats on your payment!

I've been paid 2x by them; it takes a while, but it does happen. My payments were made when there were only 20,000 people - I know they check all the hits before they pay out, so it takes longer now that there are more members.

I use 5 or 6 traffic programs every day to try to get different people seeing my ECF page. Hopefully, I am getting some unique IPs looking at the page. I send about 300 hits a day to ECF, as well as any ads I get from GPTR programs. I only earn about $2.00 a week at ECF, but a lot of traffic programs pay you for hits now, so I add that onto the ECF money, and it adds up.

Ron, don't answer this: Is anyone using the ShareAdSpace Elite club to send hits to ECF? You know, the program that gives you unlimited hits to a site for $20 (?) a month?

What we need is a group of ECF members who form their own traffic exchange.
No money involved, but each member agrees to click every other members ECF banners each day, in exchange for the other people clicking their banner. It could be traced by IP; if you don't click, you don't get your banner shown. Anyone with enough programming skills to be able to do this? Webmaster could be paid in clicks on some other program of theirs, or something.

yep links i am doing this, i made $40 on ecf from my elite membership

some of this makes good sence but i have placed ads too (using pts not my earnings trying to make money not give it away ) i have placed in ptr programs and im still not gettin the hits on ECF and i have it in someother places too and its not working for me... i have been with them for months now and i have $3.64 in it. geee for the pts i have used i could have cashed out in some programs by now

If you want me to, I'll set up a traffic program for you that earns you money. I actually find it easier to make money with traffic than I do with GPTR. Also, with the traffic I can earn as much as I want, just by continuing to click. With GPTR programs, when the links are gone, they're gone and I can't earn any more today.

I use Crazy Browser and have 10 windows open. I earn about $4.00 per 1,000 clicks, which I can do in a week. I also earn $2.00 from ECF, and about $2.00 a week from ShareAdSpace, so that's about $8.00 a week. It's not a fortune, but it's money ... I also get a payment or two each month from the GPTR programs I'm in, but as I get paid I am closing most of those.