eln143
Jul 14 2002, 01:20 PM
:ph34r: If Top Dollar Emails has a face, that would be it.
Extremely shady. I have been requesting payment for over a month now and still nothing. I still get emails from him everyday, though. To venomx, if I am wrong about this, I will take it back, but first you must pay.
clare
Jul 14 2002, 01:57 PM
it seems venomx doesnt want to answer. He'll complain about other programs, about ppls comments and about the board changeover but wont answer non-payment enquries. Id be very interested to hear his response re the lack of payment since im a member of both topdollaremails and cash4hits.
Please let us know what is going on!!!
eln143
Jul 14 2002, 02:03 PM
I have been requesting payment since I reached payout at $5.00. I am now at $6.81.
Everybody stop advertising on his site!!!
He reminds me of bin laden...you can't ever find him...however when he has something to say...there he is!!! :ph34r:
Pia
Jul 14 2002, 02:39 PM
I'm just answering 'cos I saw Venomx's answer to this somewhere,
he sayed that he's just waiting to get money to his e-gold account from adverticerts and then paying or something.....
I don't know about other paying options like pay pal.....
eln143
Jul 14 2002, 03:32 PM
The egold thing is a bunch of ######. I use paypal and so does he. So what does egold have to do with me. He just doesn't want to pay. When I used to advertise on his other site, Cash 4 Hits, I would send an ad request and I would get a reply in minutes. Now that I want payment I have to wait over a month?
venomx
Jul 15 2002, 11:17 AM
Lets see. Each time you request I keep the new one and delete the old one. So the more you hit the button the longer it will take to pay you. Its your own doing.
If people cant hit the button one time and WAIT its not my problem I have said this many times yet noone seems to listen. All they can do is [EDITED NO SWEARING PLEASE] when they dont get paid fast.
venomx
Jul 15 2002, 11:31 AM
I just went to see who I could pay witht he few bucks I have in paypal and egold. Guess what.. not many people have updated their info even though I asked them too. So guess what I am going to do. I am going to email all members and tell them one time that they need to update the info to be paid.
I will give everyone 48 hours then I will see how many I can pay and as I look at requests if the payment info isnt in the account that request will be deleted and Ill move on. I have $40 in egold since MEC paid me in egold last month. I wanted to hold it until I could pay alot of peopel because I always get the emaisl asking why did you pay so and so but not me and I hate them. But since you are want it this way I am thinking... Pay $5 per request like I have been getting paid by other sites. Yeah that sounds good. Pay $5 per request, one request per 2 weeks unless you have a big downline then one request every week.
Sound good?
FamilyAffair
Jul 21 2002, 02:06 AM
I requested payment on May 3rd. Been 2-3 months already & I have never made a 2nd request, so that isn't an excuse for not paying.
Anyway, I just updated my info for you to make payment, so you are able to pay me now without delay.
venomx
Jul 21 2002, 07:28 PM
[No personal attacks]
Poncer
Jul 22 2002, 12:28 AM
Well, well well. Looks like your programs need to be boycotted, venomx? You are a snake, and now a scammer you refuses to pay his members. Lol, you make complaints about other people and other programs, but you seem to love the money and don't care about your members.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 01:54 PM
Can't we all just get along?
gorion
Jul 22 2002, 02:37 PM
If you qualify to redeem your cash or points earnings,
You will see redemption options listed below.
We offer our members the opportunity to redeem their points or cash earned here at TopDollarEmails.
When you qualify, you will have the option to order:
Cash
? Gold Membership $10
? Point Email to all members $5.00
? 1 cent Paid Email to 100 members $1.64
? 1 cent Paid Email to 500 members $6.99
? 1 cent Paid Email to 1000 members $13.68
? 5,000 Banner Impression $3
? 10,000 Banner Impression $5
? 100 Paid PTC Clicks $1
? 500 Paid PTC Clicks $5
? 1,000 Paid PTC Clicks $10
? Cash $5
POINTS
? Gold Membership 10,000
? Point Email to all members 5,000
? 5,000 Banner Impression 3,000
? 10,000 Banner Impression 5,000
? 100 Point PTC Clicks 1,000
? 500 Point PTC Clicks 5,000
? 1,000 Point PTC Clicks 10,000
?
?
?
100 ptc clicks=1$=1000 points.
1 point=0.1cent
not redeemable for cash.
Where's the camera? It's a candid camera isn'it?
Come on, tell us you are joking
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 02:42 PM
Uh...
I don't get it
surf300
Jul 22 2002, 03:25 PM
<< Can't we all just get along? >>
That depends if the webmaster will pay his members. When anyone purchases a paid email that portion of the purchase that is due back to the members should be put in a seperate account so that members can be paid rate away. I looks like this person spent the money.
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 03:32 PM
"venomx" continues to purchase new paid-to-read programs, yet
his payments are very late or not sent at all. He seems to find
destroying the profitability of paid-to-read programs by flooding
the internet with such programs more important than paying
members. Then he puts the blame for his non-payment upon
members as if he is without fault. [NO PERSONAL ATTACKS]
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 03:52 PM
lsd err I mean isd your program does not pay. You have NEVER paid me the $8 or so that you owed me.
{NO PERSONAL ATTACKS} People are paid with my programs. I have told people why I am slow paying. But like normal noone can read. I think Ill start envoking the clause in my terms where it says,
"Member must have $0.50 clicks of his/her own per cashout."
And the point emails replace the non paid and emails I send. I NEVER once guaranteed that point emails will be traded for cash.
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 04:00 PM
You never earned eight dollars. Your earnings were only about
$2, and I cancelled your account because of the false accusations
which you made against Points2Cash.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 04:09 PM
QUOTE (Points2Cash @ Jul 22 2002, 09:32 PM)
"venomx" continues to purchase new paid-to-read programs, yet
his payments are very late or not sent at all. He seems to find
destroying the profitability of paid-to-read programs by flooding
the internet with such programs more important than paying
members. Then he puts the blame for his non-payment upon
members as if he is without fault. I suggest that "venomx" and
Chris Houlihan end their exploitationist practices and remember
that self-centeredness leaves you with few friends.
Explain to me how I am exploiting people?? Also, why just randomly mention me in a conversation dealing nothing about me or my sites at all? Can you say vendetta?
Self-centerdness huh?
If I was self-centered, I would:
1. Not reply to any support emails
2. Not pay anyone
3. Have 1 ref level worth 1%
4. Send only non paid emails
Why must you be so rude? That will leave you without ANY friends... and members.
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 04:14 PM
Points2Cash's posts are personal attacks. Do we see them being edited? No I didnt think so. Its not agains a little kid MOD.
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 04:36 PM
"venomx", isn't what you post about F.A. "personal attacks"? Chris,
if you did what you have in that list, I don't think you'd have many
members or advertisers left. When I used your site I remember plenty
of very low-paying links and no response when I attempted to redeem
earnings for advertising. You exhibited plenty of "rudeness" to me
when I made a few suggestions on this forum. If you aren't
self-centered why do you send $0.005 paid e-mail links and $0.003 new program notifications? Is it necessary for you to drop banner impression prices extremely low by charging $5 for 100,000 impressions? Not long ago, most sites charged more than $8 for 50,000 impressions. Now you've lowered the price to a ridiculously low amount just so that you will sell them instead of others while making very little profit. Your foolish actions are reducing your own profits and lowering prices throughout the internet which results in less profit for all web site owners.
surf300
Jul 22 2002, 04:49 PM
<< I have told people why I am slow paying. But like normal noone can read. >>
If you are running a honest program that money should be put aside to pay your members when they redem.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 05:16 PM
QUOTE (Points2Cash @ Jul 22 2002, 10:36 PM)
"venomx", isn't what you post about F.A. "personal attacks"? Chris,
if you did what you have in that list, I don't think you'd have many
members or advertisers left. When I used your site I remember plenty
of very low-paying links and no response when I attempted to redeem
earnings for advertising. You exhibited plenty of "rudeness" to me
when I made a few suggestions on this forum. If you aren't
self-centered why do you send $0.005 paid e-mail links and $0.003 new program notifications? Is it necessary for you to drop banner impression prices extremely low by charging $5 for 100,000 impressions? Not long ago, most sites charged more than $8 for 50,000 impressions. Now you've lowered the price to a ridiculously low amount just so that you will sell them instead of others while making very little profit. Your foolish actions are reducing your own profits and lowering prices throughout the internet which results in less profit for all web site owners.
1. I pay either 0.50 or 1 cent per paid email link and 0.50 or 0.75 cents per paid new program notification, much more than others and a reasonable amount, I and most other people here don't consider that to be low, basically its the industry standard. If someone is not satified with our payment amounts they are free to unsubscribe (although I have yet to hear from someone complaining about them...). Learn what the word exploit means before trying to slander.
2. Obviously you weren't reading our emails or our info in our redemption area. You have to email us and tell us what you want to redeem for.
3. Exhibited rudeness to you?? Hmm, oh yeah like when you said people shouldn't be allowed to start new paid email sites? Or when you said I was a so called "explotionist"? Or said how much better your site was than mine?
4. I'm self-centered and I exploit people because I have low banner impression prices. Right... that makes sense

. The only reason they are low is because:
- I want people to have a fair chance of advertising.
- Banner advertising doesn't cost me anything so why not be fair to people who have a low budget?
My profits are doing fine, thanks. You don't see me asking for donations...
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 05:24 PM
Points2Cash is asking for donations?
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 05:29 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you're selling plenty of banner advertising while
preventing others from selling it at a reasonable price, as if
you care about "fair chances". There's no "fair chance" for people
to reach the minimum payment amount at your sites without
plenty of referrals. Perhaps no one complains to you about
your low pay rates because so many other CAC sites see fit
to do the same. Before CAC was selling paid-to-read sites,
most paid-to-read sites paid a minimum of $0.02, $0.03 or
$0.05 for each e-mail, and had much higher referral levels.
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 05:32 PM
So we now find out why points2cash hates Chris...
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 05:45 PM
QUOTE (Points2Cash @ Jul 22 2002, 11:29 PM)
Yeah, I'm sure you're selling plenty of banner advertising while
preventing others from selling it at a reasonable price, as if
you care about "fair chances". There's no "fair chance" for people
to reach the minimum payment amount at your sites without
plenty of referrals. Perhaps no one complains to you about
your low pay rates because so many other CAC sites see fit
to do the same. Before CAC was selling paid-to-read sites,
most paid-to-read sites paid a minimum of $0.02, $0.03 or
$0.05 for each e-mail, and had much higher referral levels.
Lol, actually people who have clicked all paid links that we've sent in our emails can have more than $3 in their account without a single ref ($5 payout), not to mention our paid to click area...
You may send 5 cent links, but you hardly ever send paid links... and from what I've heard you don't even pay.
Just because I happen to have been successful in running a couple sites doesn't mean you have to start flipping out...
If you're mad at the existance of cookie-cutter sites go whine to Frank, not me.
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 09:22 PM
See what I mean points2cash cant attack anyone he wants as long as it isnt a MOD. Why?
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 09:58 PM
To suggest that "venomx" hasn't "attacked" anyone is
ridiculous. Why is it that "venomx" finds it acceptable
to tell lies about anyone who opposes him? Why does
he find it acceptable to be extremely rude to members
just because they want to be paid?
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 10:04 PM
Come on isd... your arguments are getting lame... Tell me why do you delete members for telling the truth about your program?
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 10:14 PM
Hmm...
What a suprise:
QUOTE
Your Points2Cash account has been cancelled due to violations. Your continued slander and misrepresentation of the Points2Cash Network will not be tolerated.
isd@myecom.net / Points2Cash Network
http://www.points2cash.net/Interesting...
I don't supose that you could show me:
1. Where I have misrepresented or slandered you ANYWHERE?
2. Where in your TOS it states your account can be deleted for slander or misrepresentation?
Hmm... Oh that's right! You can't...
So I guess I was right after all...
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 10:15 PM
Perhaps "ybonline" is correct that "venomx" and "Chris Houlihan"
are the same person...They type in a similar way, they have
the same opinions, and they seem to be the only people in this
forum which are against me most of the time. Anyway, why
is it that you refuse to pay members for telling the truth
about your programs? My arguments are fully valid, and all
he can say is that they are "lame" as he has no way of
refuting them.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 10:19 PM
ROFL, it keeps on gettin better.
Zachary
Jul 22 2002, 10:22 PM
Yeah - they're even both awake at the same time.
Poncer
Jul 22 2002, 10:25 PM
QUOTE (Chris Houlihan @ Jul 22 2002, 10:09 PM)
QUOTE (Points2Cash @ Jul 22 2002, 09:32 PM)
"venomx" continues to purchase new paid-to-read programs, yet
his payments are very late or not sent at all. He seems to find
destroying the profitability of paid-to-read programs by flooding
the internet with such programs more important than paying
members. Then he puts the blame for his non-payment upon
members as if he is without fault. I suggest that "venomx" and
Chris Houlihan end their exploitationist practices and remember
that self-centeredness leaves you with few friends.
Explain to me how I am exploiting people?? Also, why just randomly mention me in a conversation dealing nothing about me or my sites at all? Can you say vendetta?
Self-centerdness huh?
If I was self-centered, I would:
1. Not reply to any support emails
2. Not pay anyone
3. Have 1 ref level worth 1%
4. Send only non paid emails
Why must you be so rude? That will leave you without ANY friends... and members.
Chris, you seem to not be as bad as venomx, but you need to know that there is way too many GPTR programs out there. Sounds like venomx is also flooding the GPTR market with new programs. How many do you own Chris? How many did venomx made and bought? I think venomx got way too big for his britches for having so many programs. McGraw folded because the lack of advertisement and change his program. Cash-Hits his changing to no Cash out to you have to redeem for advertisement. Other programs are getting desperate and are sending a lot of paid searches. lgwong's program is struggling for advertisement as well. How are we going to solve this problem? When you have a Terms of Agreement listed and say you guerentee to pay someone when they reach payout? Then you much follow your terms. venomx is not doing that.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 10:26 PM
We write in the same way? Ok...
Not really, lemme rephrase, not at all...
I frequently use "..." he does not.
I frequently use slang and abbreviations (or whatever they're called) in my posts, i.e. "lemme" "em" "tmrw" "dunno" "gonna" etc... and John usually doesn't.
I'm going to go to bed, but I'll respond to whatever fresh slander you're sure to have for me in the morning.
Chris Houlihan
Jul 22 2002, 10:43 PM
QUOTE (Poncer @ Jul 23 2002, 04:25 AM)
QUOTE (Chris Houlihan @ Jul 22 2002, 10:09 PM)
QUOTE (Points2Cash @ Jul 22 2002, 09:32 PM)
"venomx" continues to purchase new paid-to-read programs, yet
his payments are very late or not sent at all. He seems to find
destroying the profitability of paid-to-read programs by flooding
the internet with such programs more important than paying
members. Then he puts the blame for his non-payment upon
members as if he is without fault. I suggest that "venomx" and
Chris Houlihan end their exploitationist practices and remember
that self-centeredness leaves you with few friends.
Explain to me how I am exploiting people?? Also, why just randomly mention me in a conversation dealing nothing about me or my sites at all? Can you say vendetta?
Self-centerdness huh?
If I was self-centered, I would:
1. Not reply to any support emails
2. Not pay anyone
3. Have 1 ref level worth 1%
4. Send only non paid emails
Why must you be so rude? That will leave you without ANY friends... and members.
Chris, you seem to not be as bad as venomx, but you need to know that there is way too many GPTR programs out there. Sounds like venomx is also flooding the GPTR market with new programs. How many do you own Chris? How many did venomx made and bought? I think venomx got way too big for his britches for having so many programs. McGraw folded because the lack of advertisement and change his program. Cash-Hits his changing to no Cash out to you have to redeem for advertisement. Other programs are getting desperate and are sending a lot of paid searches. lgwong's program is struggling for advertisement as well. How are we going to solve this problem? When you have a Terms of Agreement listed and say you guerentee to pay someone when they reach payout? Then you much follow your terms. venomx is not doing that.
Hello again Poncer

Thanks for the compliment, I guess...
I currently own 5 sites, one of them, FreeHitsPortal, is pretty much dormant and I will probably be selling it in the near future.
I have only bought one site new, as in I have only started one site, which is FastCashEmail, which is basically my pet project. The rest of them I have all bought from people who started and ran them for a while, then who decided to sell them. I did this for the sole purpose of trying to help save the market, at least to the best of my ability so that I wouldn't have to flood the industry with more sites. For the most part I guess it has at least helped a little.
As far as John and his sites goes, I'm gonna have to plead the fifth and say no comment. I don't really want to get involved, you guys can duke that out amongst yourselves if you'd like...
Ok this time I'm really going to bed.
venomx
Jul 22 2002, 11:51 PM
My programs pay. But I am going to start doign what points2cash does since you all think he is so right. Now on if you post anything negative about me or my programs your account will be terminated and all monies forfited. Points2cash doesnt have this in his terms so neither do I have to.
thasith
Jul 22 2002, 11:55 PM
venomx, why don't you change your tos to payment within 60 days?
might be better. . .
Poncer
Jul 23 2002, 12:48 AM
QUOTE (venomx @ Jul 23 2002, 05:51 AM)
My programs pay. But I am going to start doign what points2cash does since you all think he is so right. Now on if you post anything negative about me or my programs your account will be terminated and all monies forfited. Points2cash doesnt have this in his terms so neither do I have to.

venomx, that is not how to do business. If someone does that, it does not mean you have to do that. People complain because of a problem. That means a bug in the scripts or something else. But, you should also see the people's point of views. They get shafted by Nitroclicks who does not pay, and then they call you a scammer and all that because you can't pay. McGraw got way over his head, and he got boycotted. You don't want to go down his way on this issue at all.
ndough
Jul 23 2002, 05:06 AM
QUOTE (venomx @ Jul 16 2002, 01:17 AM)
Lets see. Each time you request I keep the new one and delete the old one. So the more you hit the button the longer it will take to pay you. Its your own doing.
So then why, even though I have not clicked again, am I still waiting?
I keep records of payouts requested and I started doing that oddly enough when I requested payment from TDE a second time.
Here is the record for your company:
7:54 AM 5/12/2002 requested payment from Top Dollar Emails again,
no response to the first request. Still awaiting Payment.
That is still valid even now. I am still awaiting a payment. I have not pressed the button again to request payment.
So here it is more than two months later and I am still waiting??
kingkano
Jul 23 2002, 05:59 AM
Didn't your mother ever say to you if they jumped over a cliff would you do it too???
kingkano
Chris Houlihan
Jul 23 2002, 06:15 AM
Lol
clare
Jul 23 2002, 06:46 AM
i swear not long ago someone asked points2cash if he/she owned the site and he/she said no........
venomx
Jul 23 2002, 08:20 PM
Notice points2cash doesnt respond now that peopel say he was wrong for closing Chris's account?
Zachary
Jul 23 2002, 08:57 PM
Although the issue has become tiresome, I will
respond anyway. It seems to me that no one
has objected to that except you. He hasn't
even objected to it. What most people
think was evident when you spread your
false accusations about Points2Cash through
"TopDollarEmails". After you sent your
false accusation message to all members
of that site, about five new members signed
up at Points2Cash and none of the current
members unsubscribed. Points2Cash sent
out a message denying the accusations
and telling the truth, which Dollarz-Mad sent
a copy of. About 25 more members signed
up, and still not one of the current members
unsubscribed. This displays what most think
of you, and it is well-justified.
As for Clare, I don't know what she is referring
to, and I don't remember any such post.
Zachary
Jul 23 2002, 09:12 PM
Read the Member Agreement on the sign-up
page...It seems I missed the post on the end
of page two of this category. Not sure how
that happened.
venomx
Jul 23 2002, 09:25 PM
Points2cash has a surprise coming

Maybe. I hope. Guess we will see when he comes here calling a few places a scam.
Zachary
Jul 23 2002, 09:49 PM
Looks like a threat. Have I threatened anyone? You said you
were going to label GetPaidWatch/GetPaidForum "scams" when
you started another site if they didn't allow you to re-access
this forum. I think that is enough reason for your accounts to
be cancelled. If you carry out any of your threats against me,
plenty of your accounts will be cancelled as well, and the
entire Points2Cash Network will once again publicly denounce
all of your sites. I suggest that you cease your activity on
forums and chat rooms, and everyone will find them much
more pleasant to use.
lene
Jul 24 2002, 12:48 AM
is topdollar emails gonna send out paid emails again sometime soon? I haven't recieved anything but 1 point emails since they converted to the mec script. and if they can't be transferred into monies then i don't really want them
Brenda@PJ
Jul 24 2002, 01:04 AM
I am entirely amused by this whole thing.
You guys KNOW VenomX has a temper, why bait him?
I don't know what to say about the payment thing, I haven't experienced it. I do not have an issue with that.
My problem is how the mud is being flung to the far corners here for no apparent purpose than to grind some axes on all sides.
As I have mentioned elsewhere, Chris, VenomX and I are the Holy Trinity. I, of course, am the intellectual one. Chris has the personality and VenomX has all the websites.
Or maybe I have it mixed up. I have the sense of humor, Chris has the websites, and VenomX has the money...
No, *I* have it ALL, hahahahaha!
Dang, the orderly is coming to take the computer away again.. shoot.
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