No offence but forcing us to earn 50 cents to 65 dollars in personal earnings per cashout makes no sense with the cc scripts when webmasters have the option of not paying referral earnings unless you are a certain % as active as your downline.
Lately i see more and more programs putting these stupid requirements on their programs.
What's the point in building a downline in the first place if you have to earn so much per cashout.
I can understand the requirments are there if it was just to make people with a downline be active in the program as well but that's not the case now that a lot of programs make people be 75% as active to even earn from the downline.
I think it should be one or the other...NOT both of them at the same time and i personally prefer the % requirement because i am active but if i have a downline i want to be able to cash out the money from them as well...when i reach the minimum payout that is.
Full Version: personal earnings requirements per cashout
Theres gonna be some good arguments for and against this, personaly I'm not gonna get involved.
I see your point and agree to an extent but also see the reasoning behind "most" % activity reqs
an-r-ky-uk
I see your point and agree to an extent but also see the reasoning behind "most" % activity reqs
an-r-ky-uk
i have to agree with the % active part to an extent.. There are some ppl (not to mention names) that send out emails for npas to all their 6 programs that never click on links that other programs send them then expect to get paid ... I deleted said person for inactivity.. Its not to hard to click a few links a month to remain active but you should be able to click half the emails in a month.
I make sure i click all emails for the simple fact i want to cashout faster. Even do the ptcs everyday in all the programs i am a member of.
just my 2 cents
I make sure i click all emails for the simple fact i want to cashout faster. Even do the ptcs everyday in all the programs i am a member of.
just my 2 cents
QUOTE (lene @ Jun 19 2003, 06:23 PM)
No offence but forcing us to earn 50 cents to 65 dollars in personal earnings per cashout makes no sense with the cc scripts when webmasters have the option of not paying referral earnings unless you are a certain % as active as your downline.
Lately i see more and more programs putting these stupid requirements on their programs.
What's the point in building a downline in the first place if you have to earn so much per cashout.
I can understand the requirments are there if it was just to make people with a downline be active in the program as well but that's not the case now that a lot of programs make people be 75% as active to even earn from the downline.
I think it should be one or the other...NOT both of them at the same time and i personally prefer the % requirement because i am active but if i have a downline i want to be able to cash out the money from them as well...when i reach the minimum payout that is.
Lately i see more and more programs putting these stupid requirements on their programs.
What's the point in building a downline in the first place if you have to earn so much per cashout.
I can understand the requirments are there if it was just to make people with a downline be active in the program as well but that's not the case now that a lot of programs make people be 75% as active to even earn from the downline.
I think it should be one or the other...NOT both of them at the same time and i personally prefer the % requirement because i am active but if i have a downline i want to be able to cash out the money from them as well...when i reach the minimum payout that is.
I agree with you 100%.
I use the feature where you have to be active to get credited for your downlines' earnings.
Other than that, the only "penalty" my members get for not being very active is, if they are not clicking at least half the links, they do not get the $3 early cash out, in which case they must wait until they reach the $10 to redeem.
I can understand a higher rate of clicks for 'some' webmasters; i.e. the Dragone Group 
but I'm of mixed mind on the regular member. While I do many proggies, I try hard to address them all each day. Sometimes (like today) I just don't get to all the sites to do the PTC's, or even some of the emails til the next day. If we don't click in a long time, it's their right to do something about it, because afterall, they sell to advertisers and the advertisers want to know their ads are being seen and get their money's worth.
I guess it's a catch 22 situation. However, I DO hate being penalized if I can't make those 20 clicks in an email on one day, or not even receiving emails for a while then they decide wily nily to do the delete for inactivity bit, when NO ONE is getting mails!
but I'm of mixed mind on the regular member. While I do many proggies, I try hard to address them all each day. Sometimes (like today) I just don't get to all the sites to do the PTC's, or even some of the emails til the next day. If we don't click in a long time, it's their right to do something about it, because afterall, they sell to advertisers and the advertisers want to know their ads are being seen and get their money's worth.I guess it's a catch 22 situation. However, I DO hate being penalized if I can't make those 20 clicks in an email on one day, or not even receiving emails for a while then they decide wily nily to do the delete for inactivity bit, when NO ONE is getting mails!
soozie i don't know about you but i try to work even harder in the programs where i have a nice downline but with these kind of requirements there just seems to be no point building.
One program i'm a member off has a 1 dollar requirement. I have a downline of about 70 on 3 levels. That's enough for me to cash out when i have earned another dollar there but i'm not building anymore cuz each cashout there is 1 dollar personal earnings and 7 cashout...no more no less...so if you get a bigger downline it's just a waste cuz you'll never see the rest of the money.
Fair enough about the personal earnings requirement if the amount fits the payout of the program and you get paid your full balance each time you request but some of these requirements are rediculous. Another program has a 3 dollar requirement on a 7 dollar payout...what's the point in building there when you have to make half of it yourself anyways? You might as well just wait and make it all yourself before cashing out.
One program i'm a member off has a 1 dollar requirement. I have a downline of about 70 on 3 levels. That's enough for me to cash out when i have earned another dollar there but i'm not building anymore cuz each cashout there is 1 dollar personal earnings and 7 cashout...no more no less...so if you get a bigger downline it's just a waste cuz you'll never see the rest of the money.
Fair enough about the personal earnings requirement if the amount fits the payout of the program and you get paid your full balance each time you request but some of these requirements are rediculous. Another program has a 3 dollar requirement on a 7 dollar payout...what's the point in building there when you have to make half of it yourself anyways? You might as well just wait and make it all yourself before cashing out.
My only main concern about being % as active as your downline is
is that % of the average activity of your downline ..... i'm impressed if they can work that out
or is it % as active as your most active member in your downline
or is it in essence actualy % active based on emails sent out and not actualy anything related to your downline.
mmmm hope that made sence
an-r-ky-uk
is that % of the average activity of your downline ..... i'm impressed if they can work that out
or is it % as active as your most active member in your downline
or is it in essence actualy % active based on emails sent out and not actualy anything related to your downline.
mmmm hope that made sence
an-r-ky-uk
I changed our TOS at TDGP and will probably making similar changes to JewelClicks and Emerald Email.
I'm fixing to go change the wording on that to:
I'm also going to change the 75% clickthru requirement to 0% since I do agree there is no since in having both.
The reason for this is this: I really don't think that 75% clickthru option even works.
Example:
Member Direct Earnings: 0.41000
Downline cash earnings: 39.14374
I really don't think it is UNFAIR to ask that member to make 75 cents before cashing out their total balance.
And I really don't think it is doing the 75% clickthru thing either.
Granted, there are some members that do work when they have a downline, and that is what is expected, and it shouldn't be hard for them to reach .75 cents before cashing out.
I'm making payouts to some of the same people 2 -3 times a WEEK and they've only gained a few pennies themselves. To me that just doesn't seem fair to everyone.
Beckie
QUOTE
Members may only request payout if they have earned at least $0.75 (75 cents) through personal clickthrus, with each $3.00 cashout.
I'm fixing to go change the wording on that to:
QUOTE
Members may only request payout if they have earned at least $0.75 (75 cents) through personal clickthrus, with each redemption.
I'm also going to change the 75% clickthru requirement to 0% since I do agree there is no since in having both.
The reason for this is this: I really don't think that 75% clickthru option even works.
Example:
Member Direct Earnings: 0.41000
Downline cash earnings: 39.14374
I really don't think it is UNFAIR to ask that member to make 75 cents before cashing out their total balance.
And I really don't think it is doing the 75% clickthru thing either.
Granted, there are some members that do work when they have a downline, and that is what is expected, and it shouldn't be hard for them to reach .75 cents before cashing out.
I'm making payouts to some of the same people 2 -3 times a WEEK and they've only gained a few pennies themselves. To me that just doesn't seem fair to everyone.
Beckie
QUOTE (totallyduh @ Jun 20 2003, 12:30 AM)
The reason for this is this: I really don't think that 75% clickthru option even works.
Example:
Member Direct Earnings: 0.41000
Downline cash earnings: 39.14374
Example:
Member Direct Earnings: 0.41000
Downline cash earnings: 39.14374
If those are real stats then i don't think the 75% thing is working. And then i guess a personal earnings requirement is fair enough. Still think 75 cents for a 3 dollar payout is a lot.
I can also cash out more or less every week at totallyduh but my stats looks a bit different so for me as a very active member i feel that the change is unfair...but if the % requirement doesn't work then i guess i'll just have to bite the sour apple (hehe is that even an expression in english?)
You have directly earned: $ 3.7410
You have earned from your Downline: $ 21.9536
This topic is a hotbed between builders and webmasters.
On the one hand you have webmasters looking for a higher clickthru ratio to appease advertisers. Personally as an advertiser the clickthru ratio means diddly squat to me. Bottom line is results - if I ran an ad with you and got 100% clickthru and only 1 sale I think it's safe to say I wouldn't be coming back as an advertiser.
Using myself as a prime example. I am already signed up to just about every program out there. As I try to remain active in all of my programs as humanely possible I click those links knowing that I won't be signing up to that program 'cause I'm already in it.
On the other hand you have the members side of the story. Without referrals you won't earn anything decent in the majority of these programs. So you refer which should make the webmaster happy because without members he/she is going to have one heck of a time pulling in decent advertisers. Instead we get personal minimum clickthru requirements and minimum % of activity.
So as lene so wisely pointed out, there comes a point where it no longer becomes of benefit for the member to refer anymore simply because no matter how active they are as an upline they cannot keep up with the earnings of their downlines in between redemptions.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
On the one hand you have webmasters looking for a higher clickthru ratio to appease advertisers. Personally as an advertiser the clickthru ratio means diddly squat to me. Bottom line is results - if I ran an ad with you and got 100% clickthru and only 1 sale I think it's safe to say I wouldn't be coming back as an advertiser.
Using myself as a prime example. I am already signed up to just about every program out there. As I try to remain active in all of my programs as humanely possible I click those links knowing that I won't be signing up to that program 'cause I'm already in it.
On the other hand you have the members side of the story. Without referrals you won't earn anything decent in the majority of these programs. So you refer which should make the webmaster happy because without members he/she is going to have one heck of a time pulling in decent advertisers. Instead we get personal minimum clickthru requirements and minimum % of activity.
So as lene so wisely pointed out, there comes a point where it no longer becomes of benefit for the member to refer anymore simply because no matter how active they are as an upline they cannot keep up with the earnings of their downlines in between redemptions.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
Let me take a crack at this
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
QUOTE (lene @ Jun 20 2003, 09:43 AM)
soozie i don't know about you but i try to work even harder in the programs where i have a nice downline but with these kind of requirements there just seems to be no point building.
One program i'm a member off has a 1 dollar requirement. I have a downline of about 70 on 3 levels. That's enough for me to cash out when i have earned another dollar there but i'm not building anymore cuz each cashout there is 1 dollar personal earnings and 7 cashout...no more no less...so if you get a bigger downline it's just a waste cuz you'll never see the rest of the money.
Fair enough about the personal earnings requirement if the amount fits the payout of the program and you get paid your full balance each time you request but some of these requirements are rediculous. Another program has a 3 dollar requirement on a 7 dollar payout...what's the point in building there when you have to make half of it yourself anyways? You might as well just wait and make it all yourself before cashing out.
One program i'm a member off has a 1 dollar requirement. I have a downline of about 70 on 3 levels. That's enough for me to cash out when i have earned another dollar there but i'm not building anymore cuz each cashout there is 1 dollar personal earnings and 7 cashout...no more no less...so if you get a bigger downline it's just a waste cuz you'll never see the rest of the money.
Fair enough about the personal earnings requirement if the amount fits the payout of the program and you get paid your full balance each time you request but some of these requirements are rediculous. Another program has a 3 dollar requirement on a 7 dollar payout...what's the point in building there when you have to make half of it yourself anyways? You might as well just wait and make it all yourself before cashing out.
Greenletter has that, $1 in personal earnings for each $7.77 payout.
The reason that Will put this in place was because as soon as he opened the site, within days and even hours he had people clicking that $7.77 button to be paid out and all they had been doing was getting referral bonuses and doing nothing to show they were willing to make money. It was myself that infact suggested this to him at the beginning because people just wanting to get money for doing nothing was making it unfair not just on the WM, but on everyone else as well.
With GL I know it is easy to be able to reach the $1 level in personal earnings if you are active. I'm personally hoping he changes it when he goes to CC scripts.
But there are a lot of sites that require you to have a huge amount of personal earnings, just to cash out. Something which I dont agree on myself, specially if you have clicked every link you can click on. There are a few sites that I am part of, which will rename nameless, in which I have over $3 in personal earnings, infact that is all my earnings are since I dont have anyone in my downline. Those sites have a payout which is impossible to reach within a year if you are doing it on your own. One site I have been with since back in November, they have a $10 payout and so far I have only broken the $3 barrier.
Let me try to explain how that % thing works.
I will use a hypothetical program, and a hypothetical member with a hypothetical downline. (*whew*)
This program has a 75% requirement.
100 (hypothetical) emails are sent out in a given month. The member only clicks 50 of those mails. That member is 50% active.
The member has a downline, each member clicking a different number of the 100 email links.
Lets give each hypothetical downline member a different letter for a username.
A clicked all 100
B clicked 90
C clicked 75
D clicked 60
E clicked 50
F clicked 40
G clicked 25
H clicked 10
The upline member who clicked 50 of those mails got credited for D, E, F, G and H only. He was at least 75% active as those members.
If the same upline clicked 25 mails instead of 50, he got credited for G and H only.
If he clicked 75 or more mails, he got credited for ALL his downline members.
The percentage system DOES work. I monitor it very closely. I monitor and compare the activity of the upline and downline members at random, and compare self earnings vs. downline earnings, and it IS working.
To throw another cog in the wheel, the cc script ALSO allows the wm to prevent a member from getting credit from his downline if he has not clicked at all in a set number of days (default is 30 days, and that's where I left it).
Thus, the member who clicks sporadically is also not getting credited for downlines' earnings.
Many of the big downline builders let their paid mails pile up, and then now and again go through them and click a bunch.
But if they did not click last month, and then clicked a dozen of last month's mails this month, they are not getting credited from their downlines.
I have a number of webmaster members with large downlines who do this. Their downlines are VERY active, but their downline earnings are at or near zero.
They are silly, they will never cash out at that rate, and they are a burden to the system.
I will use a hypothetical program, and a hypothetical member with a hypothetical downline. (*whew*)
This program has a 75% requirement.
100 (hypothetical) emails are sent out in a given month. The member only clicks 50 of those mails. That member is 50% active.
The member has a downline, each member clicking a different number of the 100 email links.
Lets give each hypothetical downline member a different letter for a username.
A clicked all 100
B clicked 90
C clicked 75
D clicked 60
E clicked 50
F clicked 40
G clicked 25
H clicked 10
The upline member who clicked 50 of those mails got credited for D, E, F, G and H only. He was at least 75% active as those members.
If the same upline clicked 25 mails instead of 50, he got credited for G and H only.
If he clicked 75 or more mails, he got credited for ALL his downline members.
The percentage system DOES work. I monitor it very closely. I monitor and compare the activity of the upline and downline members at random, and compare self earnings vs. downline earnings, and it IS working.
To throw another cog in the wheel, the cc script ALSO allows the wm to prevent a member from getting credit from his downline if he has not clicked at all in a set number of days (default is 30 days, and that's where I left it).
Thus, the member who clicks sporadically is also not getting credited for downlines' earnings.
Many of the big downline builders let their paid mails pile up, and then now and again go through them and click a bunch.
But if they did not click last month, and then clicked a dozen of last month's mails this month, they are not getting credited from their downlines.
I have a number of webmaster members with large downlines who do this. Their downlines are VERY active, but their downline earnings are at or near zero.
They are silly, they will never cash out at that rate, and they are a burden to the system.
I want to clarify that the webmaster comment is not directed at anyone in particular.
I have webmaster members in various stages of activity.
Some are VERY active, some moderately so, some are so-so, and some click just barely enough to keep from getting deleted.
Non-webmaster members are the same way, but it seems like a larger percentage of those are active.
I have webmaster members in various stages of activity.
Some are VERY active, some moderately so, some are so-so, and some click just barely enough to keep from getting deleted.
Non-webmaster members are the same way, but it seems like a larger percentage of those are active.
Here's another read on the same subject
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=ST&f=5&t=44603
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=ST&f=5&t=44603
Regarding the 75% (or whatever %) activity test, is it measured on a daily basis or monthly?
I am wondering because referral earnings are added on a daily basis and so I am assuming the test takes place daily. But if that's the case let's say somenoe missed clicking a day then he or she will have no referral earnings?
Just confused I guess (but that's nothing new with me
)
I am wondering because referral earnings are added on a daily basis and so I am assuming the test takes place daily. But if that's the case let's say somenoe missed clicking a day then he or she will have no referral earnings?
Just confused I guess (but that's nothing new with me
)
QUOTE (Dreamlab @ Jun 19 2003, 09:35 PM)
Regarding the 75% (or whatever %) activity test, is it measured on a daily basis or monthly?
I am wondering because referral earnings are added on a daily basis and so I am assuming the test takes place daily. But if that's the case let's say somenoe missed clicking a day then he or she will have no referral earnings?
Just confused I guess (but that's nothing new with me )
I am wondering because referral earnings are added on a daily basis and so I am assuming the test takes place daily. But if that's the case let's say somenoe missed clicking a day then he or she will have no referral earnings?
Just confused I guess (but that's nothing new with me
)I believe it's measured in batches of several days.
Not 100% certain how many days that would be, I'll have to ask John.
don't think my opinion here will be counted here as i am neither a webmaster nor a builder.
i am on the builders' side though. it takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that huge downline, 75% is a percentage much too high for them. 50% will be nice, i guess.
i am on the builders' side though. it takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that huge downline, 75% is a percentage much too high for them. 50% will be nice, i guess.
Thanks for answering. So if an upline doesn't click for let's say 3 days (if that's the timespan) then the script will retroactively remove some of the referral earnings? Thanks for checking This process always baffles me!
This process always baffles me!
QUOTE (GoldenPisces @ Jun 19 2003, 09:49 PM)
it takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that huge downline
You got that right my friend - and like John O @ MyECom used to say, "If it was so easy to gain referrals, company's wouldn't be paying you to get them".
QUOTE (GoldenPisces @ Jun 19 2003, 09:49 PM)
don't think my opinion here will be counted here as i am neither a webmaster nor a builder.
i am on the builders' side though. it takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that huge downline, 75% is a percentage much too high for them. 50% will be nice, i guess.
i am on the builders' side though. it takes a lot of time, effort and money to get that huge downline, 75% is a percentage much too high for them. 50% will be nice, i guess.
50% is default and that is what almost everyone uses.
For those of you who understand anything about php, here is the part of the script that determines the % activity.
You can see that it analyses the database itself to measure and compare the upline/downline activity.
CODE
}
function creditulclicks($user,$v,$t){
global $mysql_prefix;
$thetime=time();
$update=@mysql_query("UPDATE ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter SET counter=counter+1,time=$thetime where username='$user' limit 1");
if (!mysql_affected_rows()){
$update=@mysql_query("INSERT INTO ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter SET counter=counter+1,time=$thetime,username='$user'");}
@mysql_query("insert into ".$mysql_prefix."clicks_to_process set username='$user',amount=$v,type='$t'");
}
function creditul($upline,$v,$t,$comm="",$desc=""){
global $mysql_prefix,$commissions_accounting_table;
$commissions_table=str_replace("accounting","",$commissions_accounting_table);
$usertable=$mysql_prefix;
$levels=array();
if ($t=='points'){$T='POINT-';}
if (!$comm){
if ($t=='points'){
$levels=split(",",system_value("pointclicks"));
} else {
$levels=split(",",system_value("cashclicks"));
}
} else {
$levels=split(",",str_replace(" ","",$comm));}
$nocreditdays=system_value("nocreditdays");
$nocreditclicks=system_value("nocreditclicks");
if ($nocreditclicks){
list($usercounter)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select counter from ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter where username='$upline'"));}
for ($idx=0;$idx<count($levels);$idx++){
list($upline)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select upline from ".$usertable."users where username='$upline'"));
$usertable=$commissions_table;
if (!$upline){
break;
}
$amount=$v*($levels[$idx]/100);
$goforit=1;
if ($nocreditclicks or $nocreditdays){
list($uplinecounter,$uplinetime)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select counter,time from ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter where username='$upline'"));
if ($nocreditdays){
if ($uplinetime<time()-(60*60*24*$nocreditdays)){
$goforit=0;}}
if ($goforit==1 and $nocreditclicks){
if ($usercounter*($nocreditclicks/100)>$uplinecounter){
$goforit=0;}}}
$description="#DOWNLINE-".$T."EARNINGS#";
$uts=0;
if ($desc){
$description=$desc;
$uts=time();
}
if ($goforit){
$update=@mysql_query("UPDATE $commissions_accounting_table SET amount=amount+$amount WHERE unixtime=$uts and type='$t' and username= '$upline' and description='$description' limit 1");
if (!mysql_affected_rows()){
$unixtime=time();
$rand=substr(md5($upline),0,3).rand(0,9);
$pickedtransid="$unixtime$rand";
$update=@mysql_query("INSERT INTO $commissions_accounting_table set transid='$pickedtransid',username = '$upline',unixtime=$uts,description='$description',amount=$amount,type='$t'");
}}}
}
function level_total($l='all'){
global $mysql_prefix,$levelcache,$username;
if ($l!='all'){
$l=$l-1;
$and=" and level=$l";}
if ($levelcache[$l]){
$leveltotal[0]=$levelcache[$l];
} else {
$leveltotal=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select count(*) from ".$mysql_prefix."levels where upline='$username' $and"));
$levelcache[$l]=$leveltotal[0];
session_register("levelcache");
}
echo $leveltotal[0];
}
function creditulclicks($user,$v,$t){
global $mysql_prefix;
$thetime=time();
$update=@mysql_query("UPDATE ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter SET counter=counter+1,time=$thetime where username='$user' limit 1");
if (!mysql_affected_rows()){
$update=@mysql_query("INSERT INTO ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter SET counter=counter+1,time=$thetime,username='$user'");}
@mysql_query("insert into ".$mysql_prefix."clicks_to_process set username='$user',amount=$v,type='$t'");
}
function creditul($upline,$v,$t,$comm="",$desc=""){
global $mysql_prefix,$commissions_accounting_table;
$commissions_table=str_replace("accounting","",$commissions_accounting_table);
$usertable=$mysql_prefix;
$levels=array();
if ($t=='points'){$T='POINT-';}
if (!$comm){
if ($t=='points'){
$levels=split(",",system_value("pointclicks"));
} else {
$levels=split(",",system_value("cashclicks"));
}
} else {
$levels=split(",",str_replace(" ","",$comm));}
$nocreditdays=system_value("nocreditdays");
$nocreditclicks=system_value("nocreditclicks");
if ($nocreditclicks){
list($usercounter)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select counter from ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter where username='$upline'"));}
for ($idx=0;$idx<count($levels);$idx++){
list($upline)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select upline from ".$usertable."users where username='$upline'"));
$usertable=$commissions_table;
if (!$upline){
break;
}
$amount=$v*($levels[$idx]/100);
$goforit=1;
if ($nocreditclicks or $nocreditdays){
list($uplinecounter,$uplinetime)=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select counter,time from ".$mysql_prefix."click_counter where username='$upline'"));
if ($nocreditdays){
if ($uplinetime<time()-(60*60*24*$nocreditdays)){
$goforit=0;}}
if ($goforit==1 and $nocreditclicks){
if ($usercounter*($nocreditclicks/100)>$uplinecounter){
$goforit=0;}}}
$description="#DOWNLINE-".$T."EARNINGS#";
$uts=0;
if ($desc){
$description=$desc;
$uts=time();
}
if ($goforit){
$update=@mysql_query("UPDATE $commissions_accounting_table SET amount=amount+$amount WHERE unixtime=$uts and type='$t' and username= '$upline' and description='$description' limit 1");
if (!mysql_affected_rows()){
$unixtime=time();
$rand=substr(md5($upline),0,3).rand(0,9);
$pickedtransid="$unixtime$rand";
$update=@mysql_query("INSERT INTO $commissions_accounting_table set transid='$pickedtransid',username = '$upline',unixtime=$uts,description='$description',amount=$amount,type='$t'");
}}}
}
function level_total($l='all'){
global $mysql_prefix,$levelcache,$username;
if ($l!='all'){
$l=$l-1;
$and=" and level=$l";}
if ($levelcache[$l]){
$leveltotal[0]=$levelcache[$l];
} else {
$leveltotal=@mysql_fetch_row(@mysql_query("select count(*) from ".$mysql_prefix."levels where upline='$username' $and"));
$levelcache[$l]=$leveltotal[0];
session_register("levelcache");
}
echo $leveltotal[0];
}
You can see that it analyses the database itself to measure and compare the upline/downline activity.
I'm not a downline builder myself (yet), and I'm sure I could pass any activity test right now, but there are two points that bother me here.
The first is the matter of expired links.
I understand why this happens and I'm not complaining, but is clicking on an expired link being tracked as far as activity is concerned?
The second is the question of why a downline builder should be active at all as far as clicking is concerned, very rarely if ever is (s)he going to be looking at whatever the ad is for, as these persons are usually ahead of new launches etc., as for him(her) doing anything about an ad for Mike's...well...
Why not establish an optional state for anyone with 50 or more direct referrals as a builder, get him(her) out of the "active" members as far as advertisers are concerned. If they want to opt-in on mailings, fine, then they go into active status again, but if not, then let them just gather in members for your programs...
Advertisers want to see results for their ads, not just clicks (except for ECF and similar of course)...
Just some loose thoughts...
The first is the matter of expired links.
I understand why this happens and I'm not complaining, but is clicking on an expired link being tracked as far as activity is concerned?
The second is the question of why a downline builder should be active at all as far as clicking is concerned, very rarely if ever is (s)he going to be looking at whatever the ad is for, as these persons are usually ahead of new launches etc., as for him(her) doing anything about an ad for Mike's...well...
Why not establish an optional state for anyone with 50 or more direct referrals as a builder, get him(her) out of the "active" members as far as advertisers are concerned. If they want to opt-in on mailings, fine, then they go into active status again, but if not, then let them just gather in members for your programs...
Advertisers want to see results for their ads, not just clicks (except for ECF and similar of course)...
Just some loose thoughts...
QUOTE (jordi49 @ Jun 19 2003, 10:18 PM)
I'm not a downline builder myself (yet), and I'm sure I could pass any activity test right now, but there are two points that bother me here.
The first is the matter of expired links.
I understand why this happens and I'm not complaining, but is clicking on an expired link being tracked as far as activity is concerned?
The second is the question of why a downline builder should be active at all as far as clicking is concerned, very rarely if ever is (s)he going to be looking at whatever the ad is for, as these persons are usually ahead of new launches etc., as for him(her) doing anything about an ad for Mike's...well...
Why not establish an optional state for anyone with 50 or more direct referrals as a builder, get him(her) out of the "active" members as far as advertisers are concerned. If they want to opt-in on mailings, fine, then they go into active status again, but if not, then let them just gather in members for your programs...
Advertisers want to see results for their ads, not just clicks (except for ECF and similar of course)...
Just some loose thoughts...
The first is the matter of expired links.
I understand why this happens and I'm not complaining, but is clicking on an expired link being tracked as far as activity is concerned?
The second is the question of why a downline builder should be active at all as far as clicking is concerned, very rarely if ever is (s)he going to be looking at whatever the ad is for, as these persons are usually ahead of new launches etc., as for him(her) doing anything about an ad for Mike's...well...
Why not establish an optional state for anyone with 50 or more direct referrals as a builder, get him(her) out of the "active" members as far as advertisers are concerned. If they want to opt-in on mailings, fine, then they go into active status again, but if not, then let them just gather in members for your programs...
Advertisers want to see results for their ads, not just clicks (except for ECF and similar of course)...
Just some loose thoughts...
Yes, you have some good thoughts.
That option would need to be programmed into the script.
Hi,
I once asked John about the % of ref earnings ... not one webmaster could explain it back then ...
He explained it very well in MECforum but then he had to make an upgrade or something and the posts were lost
I remember he said the % were calculated from the day you sign up, so for example, I join a site the 01.01.2003 and start referring only the 07.01.2003, I will already have clicked many mails that will count towards the % of referral earnings. Back then he said it was the total links clicked that counted.
I can't remember when it was checked, every day, every week etc....
And I asked as well if paid2click was calculated in it but unfortunately, I don't remember the answer he gave me ...
And I think that if those requirements are put into TOS from beginning on, builders know it and will refer accordingly, if it is put in it afterwards, it's really unfair, letting people refer like crazy and then putting limits or requirements to earn from their referrals.
And it is true that if I send an ad for a site, I don't need builders to click on it on the other hand, if I would send a search or an exitcashflow thingy, the one who clicks is can be a builder or not, it doesn't matter
So, Cathy, you'll bring JOhn here to reply to all those questions, right ?
Sophie
I once asked John about the % of ref earnings ... not one webmaster could explain it back then ...
He explained it very well in MECforum but then he had to make an upgrade or something and the posts were lost
I remember he said the % were calculated from the day you sign up, so for example, I join a site the 01.01.2003 and start referring only the 07.01.2003, I will already have clicked many mails that will count towards the % of referral earnings. Back then he said it was the total links clicked that counted.
I can't remember when it was checked, every day, every week etc....
And I asked as well if paid2click was calculated in it but unfortunately, I don't remember the answer he gave me ...
And I think that if those requirements are put into TOS from beginning on, builders know it and will refer accordingly, if it is put in it afterwards, it's really unfair, letting people refer like crazy and then putting limits or requirements to earn from their referrals.
And it is true that if I send an ad for a site, I don't need builders to click on it on the other hand, if I would send a search or an exitcashflow thingy, the one who clicks is can be a builder or not, it doesn't matter
So, Cathy, you'll bring JOhn here to reply to all those questions, right ?
Sophie
QUOTE (jazmyni @ Jun 20 2003, 02:55 AM)
Let me take a crack at this
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
Jazmin got the right and this is good. You have to click 0.30c but you can withraw all the money. I see no sense to get referals when i have to earn f.e. Fun-Bucks 3$(I THINk almost 50% of the payout is litle to much) to get 7.14. So why i have to make my referals when i don't recive money for that.
I have a $1 personal earnings requirement with an $8 payout.
However, there is also a $1 signup bonus.....and it is very easy to get $1 in personal earnings. Many people can do it within a week or so if they are also doing ptcs.
I also do a lot of random payouts, where the minimum does not apply, and Gold Members are not subject to this rule, either.
I have a 75% activity requirement for downline earnings. It is not fair to advertisers and me that some people are simply deleting all the emails thinking they will get money without clicking. I am not paying people to get referrals, per se, that is just a bonus!
As a member, if I have a lot of referrals, I work that program to death! I am most active in programs I have referrals for, so the activity % really doesn't affect me, since I am 90-100% active in most of the programs I am in.
As it should be, in my opinion.
I opened my program to benefit advertisers, not so much to give out free $$ (which I do anyway, and is mostly my own).
That is why I'm rather strict about bouncing emails, and quality control links, inactivity, etc. As an advertiser myself, I appreciate that in other programs as well.
On a side note about searches: I dont do them all that often, I usually skip over them. BUT, if it is a program I have a lot of referrals in and am close to cashout, I will do them, and do them good, knowing that I am making the webmaster $$ for my future payouts!
And I also have a question that I am unsure about......Say I join a program in June....I have been clicking away....then I get a referral in July....they start clicking away.....now, do they have to surpass all the clicks I have ever done to become more than 100% active than me, or does it go by a time frame or ratio of clicks available at signup/clicks made?
However, there is also a $1 signup bonus.....and it is very easy to get $1 in personal earnings. Many people can do it within a week or so if they are also doing ptcs.
I also do a lot of random payouts, where the minimum does not apply, and Gold Members are not subject to this rule, either.
I have a 75% activity requirement for downline earnings. It is not fair to advertisers and me that some people are simply deleting all the emails thinking they will get money without clicking. I am not paying people to get referrals, per se, that is just a bonus!
As a member, if I have a lot of referrals, I work that program to death! I am most active in programs I have referrals for, so the activity % really doesn't affect me, since I am 90-100% active in most of the programs I am in.
As it should be, in my opinion.I opened my program to benefit advertisers, not so much to give out free $$ (which I do anyway, and is mostly my own).
That is why I'm rather strict about bouncing emails, and quality control links, inactivity, etc. As an advertiser myself, I appreciate that in other programs as well.
On a side note about searches: I dont do them all that often, I usually skip over them. BUT, if it is a program I have a lot of referrals in and am close to cashout, I will do them, and do them good, knowing that I am making the webmaster $$ for my future payouts!
And I also have a question that I am unsure about......Say I join a program in June....I have been clicking away....then I get a referral in July....they start clicking away.....now, do they have to surpass all the clicks I have ever done to become more than 100% active than me, or does it go by a time frame or ratio of clicks available at signup/clicks made?
QUOTE (jazmyni @ Jun 19 2003, 07:55 PM)
Let me take a crack at this
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
First....that need to be % of your dowline doesnt work
feel free to argue but I have a admin acccount set up at each of my sites for non members to track ads.....i also use the referral link from time to time to send out with point I have to get some referrals to give to members.
I have NEVER clicked a link in these account however I have earnings from referrals.
I do have requirements at 2 of my sites
Z-Cash you need 30 cents per payout........however I can say with confidence I send out MORE than enough to reach that and although the payout is $3....when you get your 30 cents and personal clicks and have over $3 and request payout you get your FULL amount in your account..so if you have $23.........you get paid it all.
I think this is fair.
However I do not like the sites that say you need $1.00 for each say $10 payout and you need $1 for Each $10.......its to the point now I do not promote those sites as my referrals now are too active LOL and I will never get my cash. as I will be way past the $18 before I get anohter $1.00 in personal clicks
One site for example I had $32.......however I requested payout and could only get $18
anohter site I had $1.00 and had over $11 in my account but only got paid the $10
Thats the only time I have a real issue with it.
Why do I make them have 30 cents per cash out......as some members will get a huge downline and click nothing at all and I dont think that is fair to the advertisers or the members who can not afford advertising and have no dowline at all and need to get payout by themselves
just me 2 cents
I just wanted to mention that servers settings can, will, and do affect the way a script works.
So if the % of downline earnings isn't working properly, chances are the script is being affected by the server itself.
To me the point here is that if you are required to have personal earnings of a certain amount, whether it is $1.00 or whatever, building a downline beyond a certain size is pointless as you cannot collect your referral earnings for all of your referrals. I saw one site a while back that required personal earnings of $4.50 for each $5.00 payout. We do GPTR for the chance to earn money, but webmasters put these requirements on their site to limit our ablility to earn $. I agree that we should be at least 50% as active as our referrals, higher requirements usually mean we have to do searches as well. Searches take a lot of extra time and most sites pay less than 1 cent, many a lot less. I don't consider myself a builder, as I don't do that well at getting referrals, but I keep at it and eventually get enough to make a difference. With some of these programs I have already reached the point that more referrals won't do me any good, as I cannot reach the personal earnings requirements fast enough, and I am a very active member, except for the searches. Seems to me that those webmasters that send out a lot of search links are probably not getting enough advertising outside the membership.
Any program that asked me to get $4.50 in personal earnings in order to get a $5.00 cashout would never get promoted by me...unless I can make those $4.50 in a week or so...
However if what they are asking is for you to make $4.50 in personal earnings and they will pay you the TOTAL amount you have earned (say for instance $4.50 + $35.00 from downline, total of $39.50), then that is quite a different kettle of fish... what the webmaster wants from you is about the same activity in personal click throughs that a member with 0 downline has to have in order to get paid... if cashout is reachable in a reasonable time (1-3 months), then that requirement is not totally unreasonable...
On the whole though I think I like Cathy's way best...reward active members, ask for a reasonable activity from builders and only "punish" those who are inactive either in clicking or in building...
Both clickers and builders get rewarded by her approach...
However if what they are asking is for you to make $4.50 in personal earnings and they will pay you the TOTAL amount you have earned (say for instance $4.50 + $35.00 from downline, total of $39.50), then that is quite a different kettle of fish... what the webmaster wants from you is about the same activity in personal click throughs that a member with 0 downline has to have in order to get paid... if cashout is reachable in a reasonable time (1-3 months), then that requirement is not totally unreasonable...
On the whole though I think I like Cathy's way best...reward active members, ask for a reasonable activity from builders and only "punish" those who are inactive either in clicking or in building...
Both clickers and builders get rewarded by her approach...
QUOTE (jordi49 @ Jun 26 2003, 01:26 PM)
Any program that asked me to get $4.50 in personal earnings in order to get a $5.00 cashout would never get promoted by me...unless I can make those $4.50 in a week or so...
However if what they are asking is for you to make $4.50 in personal earnings and they will pay you the TOTAL amount you have earned (say for instance $4.50 + $35.00 from downline, total of $39.50), then that is quite a different kettle of fish... what the webmaster wants from you is about the same activity in personal click throughs that a member with 0 downline has to have in order to get paid... if cashout is reachable in a reasonable time (1-3 months), then that requirement is not totally unreasonable...
On the whole though I think I like Cathy's way best...reward active members, ask for a reasonable activity from builders and only "punish" those who are inactive either in clicking or in building...
Both clickers and builders get rewarded by her approach...
However if what they are asking is for you to make $4.50 in personal earnings and they will pay you the TOTAL amount you have earned (say for instance $4.50 + $35.00 from downline, total of $39.50), then that is quite a different kettle of fish... what the webmaster wants from you is about the same activity in personal click throughs that a member with 0 downline has to have in order to get paid... if cashout is reachable in a reasonable time (1-3 months), then that requirement is not totally unreasonable...
On the whole though I think I like Cathy's way best...reward active members, ask for a reasonable activity from builders and only "punish" those who are inactive either in clicking or in building...
Both clickers and builders get rewarded by her approach...
Yes, that particular program required $4.50 in personal earnings for each $5.00 cashout. I signed up, then emailed the webmaster to verify this. Got a quick reply, which was good. But the webmaster verified this requirement, so I immediately unsubscribed. Not worth my time if I am going to get referrals---never get paid for them anyway. This is an extreme case, but any amount for each cashout limits your earnings ability, even small amounts.
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