Hi,
I think I have a member who has 287 accounts, Many of the suspect accounts have a
0 - (this is the number zero not the letter O) in the email address. all 287 are @mail.com or @usa.com, He also has a zero in his email address.
Are there any webmasters who would like the email address of this member, so they can check for this member in their own program?
I may be wrong, but I don`t think I am, I would appreciate if someone would look at this `Upline and his members` to give me their opinion on it - I think I should delete all these a/c`s but I would like to hear somone elses opinion first. If this is a cheat then he may be a member of many other programs!!

I was going to paste the downline here, but I`ll wait to see what response I get, I don`t want to upset anyone!!

Why not publish his ip address so that we could search our database for that. If you thinking publishing the whole ip is against your privacy policy, can you disclose part of the ip?

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: lgwong ]

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

If all these email address is created by the same person. All the ip address should be the same.

Maybe I should now this already!! but how do I find out the IP address of a member?

thanks

Its the number in his/her profile next to IP :biggrin:

Thanks,
I didn`t realise or think that IP adresses would be the same, now I know - Thanks

I checked a few of the addresses all had the same IP !! I was right, it looks like all 280 + are the same person.

Heres most of the IP 213.190.37.
I`d be interesed to know if anyone else finds any
in their program.
Thanks

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

Just click the edit button.

Thanks Chris,

I was in a panic trying to use the delete button - I didn`t see the edit button!!

I will now delete all the acounts, should I just drop this now, or would you do anything else?
i.e notify other webmasters

I didn't have this guy in my database. I got only one user whose ip begin with 213.190.37.

I reccommend you join my webmasters email forum, you too lgwong, we alert each other of cheaters and talk about script issues and problems:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paidemail_webmasters_forum/

He's only in my database once,also. But I do have other with multiple email addresses. Some of them are VERY similar. I have already emailed my members & told the cheaters that I will delete them myself if they don't unsubscribe the multiple accounts.

Most of them are like xxx201@aol.com, xxx202@aol.com, xxx203@aol.com. Or they will change their name a little, like Samantha@aol.com, samantha@aol.com, Sam_antha@aol.com. Or just same name, different email service.

But they do have same IP addresses and I will delete them.

Just one more thing to look out for because of stupid people who think they can cheat!

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Click4Cents ]

i thought most people shared ips and that not to go by ip address, last time i blocked an ip address from tombmailer was when 1 guy made over 200 accounts, but what was funny was i shared the same ip how is that possible?

[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: tombmailer ]

Do you AOL?

IP addresses can be the same even if accounts are for different people, guys. It is only a clue, not a clincher. ISP is Internet Service Provider, am I right? IP is Internet Protocol? Yes?

Please be careful when looking at IP addresses, and yes, publishing them on the forum is against privacy - PM it. I have two different, no, three different emails with PocketJingle, for tracking purposes and they all have different IP addresses. Firewalls will give people identical IP addresses.

I'm always hearing about cheaters with multiple accounts, but how can they handle so many accounts? I can hardly handle 1 account per PTR, I can't imagine anyone logging into 287 email accounts to click links.
And if they don't click links, they are not going to make money, because even if they are in their own downline, they can't make money off of themselves unless they're clicking.
I just don't get it. :confused:

no IE6

Oh, than Im not sure. Many ISP give you a different IP everytime you connect so its possible for many people to have the same.

Different people can have same address, in particular if they are using a proxy server. So you should not be surprise when you find a lot of members using the same ip.

However, this will become suspicious if a downline of a particular members are all of the same it.

If I find out that, I usually ask these guys to unsubscribe themselve. If they insist that they have not created multiple accounts. I will give them a chance to explain.

Thanks for your feedback
I have found a few more now, these have between 3 and 14 accounts each!! I found these going through all the bounced emails.

I`ve looked through 180 bounced emails so far and have 80 left!! This Is from ONE email I sent out!!

It`s a slow process but it seems worth it in the end!!

I`m sure All these accounts were the downline of one member so I assume he signed up once then referred himself 286 times, all the downline I checked had similar or same earnings and the one upline had a lot more earnings, so he was able to earn this way. All the members had emails with @mail.com or @usa.com

145 x @mail.com then 41 x @usa.com

I looked at other large downlines - there was none with just 2 emails like that.

I may have been wrong about some of the members - but as far as I could see they were all too similar.
I have deleted them all now - but I`ll always think maybe I was wrong about some, I assumed from the info given that multiple same IP`s are the same person.
I now see this may not be the case!!

I will learn by my mistakes!! Although in my opinion this was not a mistake.

Regards

[ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: Electro ]

The member in question with 287 a/c`s has sent me an email,
He has asked for a payment of more than $20
and adds " Do I have to wait until I have $35 "

Payout is at $35, why ask for less if you know the payout amount??
I wonder!!!

Just reply and tell him when each of his 287 accounts has reached the $35 minimum, you will personally arrive at his doorstep and present him with $10,045 cash!

287 x $35.00 = $10,045 :eek:

Otherwise just sit'n spin :biggrin:

[ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: wantumbucks ]

Good idea wantumbucks LOL,

I think I`ll forget about this now, I `m sure I was right considering all the evidence,
The a/c`s are gone now, I`m not going to let it get to me!! It was pretty stressful deleting so many a/c`s!!

They can always sign up again. I usually send someone an email telling them my suspicions and that they have x amount of time to email me back and explain themselves before I delete their account....

Never get any explanations.. hm...

Hi, I did send an email to him or her first.

The only email I received from this member was One to request payment even though he hadn`t reached payout!!

I wouldn`t expect anyone to admit their guilty
of cheating!!

well, guys, I'm not a webmaster of a CAC site, but I know a lot about them .. and believe me, these guys with 287 or something accounts are real newbies! .. They don't know anything about real cheating ..

You can't get real cheaters, because they use a list of proxy servers, a list of e-mail addreses, that are created by using special scripts and you can't track them.

about checking those 287 accounts .. they don't check more than one account! they just use their scripts to collect all the bonuses for all the e-mail accounts registered. I personally know one guy, that earns money this way .. and he has cashed out from many CAC sites many times. So I guess, the problem is in the tracking link .. it's one and the same each time .. no changes! the only thing that changes is e-mail address .. You should ask some programmer (for example me .. :biggrin: ) to do a little bit different tracking script, that will send out UNIQUE tracking link to all members.

I'm gona open my own p2r site some time .. and believe me, it will be much harder to cheat for the newbies that you're discussing there ..

.. and remember .. there's nothing that can't be cheated or hacked .. you just need to make your site as secure as you can .. and as far as I know, CAC sites at the moment are really unsecure to cheaters ..

Heres another one to search for in the quest for mass cheaters

"COUNTRY RIDGE RD"

Marc

I would like to comment that a large number of webmasters do not understand IP addresses. You can unfairly cancel accounts, or not cancel accounts that should be cancelled if you don't understand them.

There are two types of IP addresses, static and dynamic.
On static IP addresses, the IP address never changes, where you can cancel accounts based on the IP address being the same and you won't have a problem.

But what you have to remember is the dynamic IP addresses. If I am sharing an ISP such as MSN Internet Access, I get a dynamic IP address. Every time I logon it is different, so if I signup with like mail001@mail.com, mail002@mail.com and so on, and disconnect between creating these accounts, I will have a different IP address for each one. Also note that when I disconnect my IP address is taken by the next user who logs on, so lets say I logoff after creating an account at GetPaidWatch, and Bob signs on and joins GetPaidWatch, just because I have the same IP as Bob doesn't mean I am Bob (it does mean we use the same ISP though). (No two users can use the same IP at the same time though)

Also beware that the new type of IP addresses probably aren't tracked correctly by the CAC program. I am not sure of the result from them, but if it does something weird with them it could make everything look even more specicious, even though it shouldn't be. The old IP addresses are of the type 255.255.255.255 (that is the highest possible IP address, 127.0.0.1 is localhost which some IP address "hiding" programs claim the address is, so don't cancel those accounts based on IP either...

that's what I wanted to say: "THERE ARE A LOT OF CAC WEBMASTERS THAT ARE REALLY LAME IN NETWORKING" and they don't know anything about IP addressing, routing and all the rest vital things that are necessary to run a successful web-site ..

That's why I'm against the CAC scripts - everybody can buy them .. but the problem is that the possible owner does not know anything about being a webmaster or sales manager or something .. and I think a lot of CAC sites will go down after some time, just because of this.

And about canceling accounts .. remeber that there are countries where people have to pay for foreign bandwidth, so they use Proxy servers .. and .. there are situations when referrer and referral uses the same proxy server .. so .. it's rather hard for you to decide whether the guy is cheating or not .. so the solution is to upgrade your scripts!!!!