Emaillionairesemail
Jun 10 2002, 05:41 PM
For those of you who were waiting on myecom.net for hosting, it is back open
Course you are going to have to get in line behind me, just transfered 3 domains.
Chean
Jun 10 2002, 09:39 PM
YES!!! I'm waiting for MEC hosting open since 1 month ago!
YBonline
Jun 11 2002, 03:31 AM
You might want to hold off... I have a better deal then them for hosting that will be available very soon... or if you don't want to wait, conact me and I can get it setup for you very soon...
funny
Jun 12 2002, 02:27 AM
I am also waiting!
Chean
Jun 13 2002, 02:56 AM
YBonline, what the deal? cheaper that them?
venomx
Jun 13 2002, 03:29 AM
NOTHING can beat the support John provides. Where else do you pay $15 a month for hosting and get script support?
Look how many of you have had to move MANY times because the cheap hosts dont want mass mailers?
YBonline
Jun 13 2002, 03:37 AM
I will be providing better support, LIVE support most of the day, and my hosting will be cheaper then $15... probably around $10 for all the features he has and more...
venomx
Jun 13 2002, 05:23 AM
Johns support is LIVE.
I email him all hours of the day and he replies.
John Orjias
Jun 13 2002, 06:34 AM
Better support the me. ok well that could be if you have extensive knowledge of Mysql, PHP. Perl. FreeBSD, Linux, Window NT/2000 advanced server, LAN AND WAN including but not limited to configuring if Cisco routers and building wireless ISP networks from the ground up. Plus real knowledge in dealing with Very high traffic sites.
Not to mention If you are running a multi treaded web server and not apache, and if you are running all php sessions in fast cgi. also do you OWN your backbone or will the provider you are leasing the server from turn it off with all the sites on it as soon as they get a couple of report from spam cop. Also is the server at your door step so when it breaks you can fix it or do you have to rely on your provide in which case you should not make any claim about your service because it can only be as good as them.
Also by the way I could sell it a lot cheaper as far as my cost are concerned but I am not that stupid I make very little for the time I put into support as it is. I am not worried about what price you put on it, I am in the situation I can beat anyone?s price if I had to. so if you are as good as you say then why do you have to use a lower price to get the business.
By the way I LOVE competition :-)
momzown
Jun 13 2002, 06:57 AM
What more could be said LOL I think John has made his point and rather well. But I can't wait to read the response
Helen
Chris Houlihan
Jun 13 2002, 07:01 AM
HAHA, go John!
venomx
Jun 13 2002, 07:04 AM
I see why he is saying bad things about Johns hosting. He also will be in the paid email script business.... GetPaidSite.com
zOla
Jun 13 2002, 07:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by John Orjias:
Better support the me. ok well that could be if you have extensive knowledge of Mysql, PHP. Perl. FreeBSD, Linux, Window NT/2000 advanced server, LAN AND WAN including but not limited to configuring if Cisco routers and building wireless ISP networks from the ground up. Plus real knowledge in dealing with Very high traffic sites.
Not to mention If you are running a multi treaded web server and not apache, and if you are running all php sessions in fast cgi. also do you OWN your backbone or will the provider you are leasing the server from turn it off with all the sites on it as soon as they get a couple of report from spam cop. Also is the server at your door step so when it breaks you can fix it or do you have to rely on your provide in which case you should not make any claim about your service because it can only be as good as them.
Also by the way I could sell it a lot cheaper as far as my cost are concerned but I am not that stupid I make very little for the time I put into support as it is. I am not worried about what price you put on it, I am in the situation I can beat anyone?s price if I had to. so if you are as good as you say then why do you have to use a lower price to get the business.
By the way I LOVE competition :-)
LOL! Awaiting YBonline's response in anticipation...
YBonline
Jun 13 2002, 01:39 PM
quote:
Also by the way I could sell it a lot cheaper as far as my cost are concerned but I am not that stupid I make very little for the time I put into support as it is.
I believe you are a quality programmer, you have proved yourself in this forum and on your website (no comparison between you and CAC, LOL, your script is MUCH, MUCH better then CACs as it is). Also you are providing your support alone, I am providing it between me and about 2-4 different people who also have large backround experience.
And I have extensive knowledge of PHP, ASP, and mySQL, Windows 2000/NT, UNIX, RedHat Apache, and among other people who will be helping me with this PERL, and other languages.
We will be doing most of our hosting ourselves. Some hosting will be done through special deals I made through talking to other people who run large servers over time. For the people doing hosting for us, I know the people well and they definetly have experience managing large sites/servers.
Our site will be hosted by RefMaker hosting, our IRC server is (which will be used to provide immediate support) right next to where I am sitting now, its already setup and good to go, and several sites will also be hosted from my current location.
I will basicly be offering the same thing as John, including the LIVE support most of the day, but for around $10 per month...
Yes, your hosting is excellent (thats why people are going with you), but it is more expensive then ours for the same about the same quality.
Chris Houlihan
Jun 13 2002, 01:50 PM
Uh...
John doesn't provide support by himself...
Deek
Jun 13 2002, 01:57 PM
I didnt come here to disrespect anyone, only to say i am more than happy with MyEcom, everything from paid hosting, to the scripts, banner exchange, and everything else they offer. John and his crew are always around when you have a question and work hard no matter what the case even when the odds are stacked against him. I chose John's service purely out of trust, i have been a MyEcom member for over a year and am proud to say never had one problem.
Keep up the good work John and good luck to anyone trying to do better than John, either way i hope both are better than CAC. Keep it real.
Deek
usdollars
Jun 13 2002, 03:22 PM
From personal experience John's not kidding when he says he loves competition - he'll certainly give you a run for your money YBonline
One thing's for sure his experience coupled with his reputation for honesty is what brings both new and existing customers knocking on his door for service.
Chean
Jun 13 2002, 04:27 PM
How many Paid Email Site actually host with MEC?
and
How many Paid Email Site host with GetPaidSite?
Emaillionairesemail
Jun 13 2002, 05:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YBonline:
[QUOTE]Yes, your hosting is excellent (thats why people are going with you), but it is more expensive then ours for the same about the same quality.
A few points here, John does not do it alone, I have had a team member in im for about 3 days solid now, we are at the point where we are saying goodnght to each other
Besides the fact that John can run rings around most programmers, besides the fact he has a fantastic service, besides the fact that he FIXES things that go boom regularly, John is also one of the most honest ethical people I have met in this business. He inspires loyalty just by being himself, and you will find his fans (anyone who has dealings with him really) fierce in singing his praises.
Mary
Ian
Jun 13 2002, 10:24 PM
I don't want to get involved in the debate over who has better hosting... CAC owners need all the help they can get ;-) and competition will mean better help.
I do have one question for both of you though... How much bandwidth do your $10 and $15/month cover? Last I head Myecom hosting was $15/month and then $4/gig after that (hopefully this has changed). If it's still true, this is very expensive compared to the rest of the hosting market. $30 is three times the going rate for 5 gigs of transfer at a fast host with all the features.
Like I said, competition is good. :-)
funny
Jun 14 2002, 01:10 AM
Difficult to choose~~~~~~
venomx
Jun 14 2002, 03:11 AM
But Ian what other host helps you fix your scripts for free?
What other host will NOT cancel your account on a false spam complaint?
What other host will not kick you off for useing too much resources?
Sure they can find a cheap host but theres NO guarantee they will be hosted there in a week.
venomx
Jun 14 2002, 03:12 AM
Plus I hear RM doesnt aloow CAC sites so how are you going to host a paid email site on there?
Chris Houlihan
Jun 14 2002, 03:22 AM
Even if they do, my bet says it'll be super slow.
But, I'd doubt they would, takes up way to much resources and would slow others' sites down.
YBonline
Jun 14 2002, 03:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Chean:
How many Paid Email Site actually host with MEC?
and
How many Paid Email Site host with GetPaidSite?
Hmm... I thought I said wait a little bit until we launch. We are not yet publicly launched, so we only have 2 current hosting customers. We will have many more very soon since we are planning on expanding our beta very soon.
(Just so you know, my personal opinion is hosting with John with his scripts is better than going with CAC because... well just look at there scripts and the security bugs they discovered. I am sure that will never happen (once John finishes rescripting all of the scripts, if he hasn't already, I haven't been following that) with John or us (we are most likely both much, much, much better then CAC at scripting and hosting)
quote:
Besides the fact that John can run rings around most programmers, besides the fact he has a fantastic service, besides the fact that he FIXES things that go boom regularly, John is also one of the most honest ethical people I have met in this business. He inspires loyalty just by being himself, and you will find his fans (anyone who has dealings with him really) fierce in singing his praises.
John may be able to "run rings" around most programmers such as Frank from CAC, but one of our programmers here at GPS got a major in programming, and all of them have proven themselves to be able to do the top quality work, being as bug free as possible. I, and the other people at GPS also able to fix many things.
If you get to know me, you will see how honest and ethical I am, same for the rest of us at GPS.
Well I believe that this is probably going to end up going know where... I am not againist MyECom, John does offer quality hosting, and his script is of much better quality then CACs... My main competition will be CAC, not John, because CAC is the really bad product people need to get away from, not MyECom's scripts...
And yes, competition is good... [edit - I will not be replying any more to this thread, as I said it is pointless to argue this]
[ 06-14-2002, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: YBonline ]
Nyree Johnson
Jun 14 2002, 03:51 AM
I guess I am not the typical webmaster here being that I do not have a paid to site (yet tho John's script has me tempted). I have been reading here to get a heads up on the industry before I leap in. But I am the owner of Dreams Come True crafts, and I moved my web hosting over to MEC's hosting about 2 months ago and I couldn't be happier for it. The 2 gigs of space and the 2 gigs of transfer for $15 in my opinion is a steal $3 for addition gig of space or of bandwidth is also a steal. With my previous webhosting company, well lets just say because of how many files I have because I am a store and have alot of image files, they were, on top of regular hosting fees ($35 for 500megs), they were going to charge me per 1,000 files.
The support that I have had with John and Earl has been amazing. I can not tell you how many times poor Earl was stuck "holding my hand" for me with some new things I wanted to try.
The referral logs that mec has provided has been the most valuable to me, helping me find websites that have old links of mine so I can contact people to change them, seeing where most of my customers come from, and also seeing what pages are viewed the most so that I can see what product is holding the best interest.
I guess what I am saying bottom line is, whether you need hosting for a pts site, or a shopping site, I have found no one yet that can beat MEC. I have been doing this for 6 years now on the web, switched companies, etc..and I am finally totally happy with my hosting package.
Nyree P. Johnson
Dreams Come True
http://www.dctcrafts.com
Ian
Jun 14 2002, 06:07 PM
Venom,
No reason to get all defensive... like I said, I don't want in on the debate. :-)
My question was purely about price and bandwidth. Just curious. A lot of people don't realize that there is quality hosting out there for not much money.
Hosting prices are dropping very quickly lately.
thasith
Jun 14 2002, 06:51 PM
I agree on that Ian.
But why are you guys are being sooo defensive like crazy! Why do you need to fight about your hosting?
YBonline
Jun 16 2002, 08:44 AM
Yes, just so you know, I have gotten 2 people who have told me so far they won't be hosting with MEC because of what other people said about it here in the forum (being so forceful about protecting it, they say basicly if they need that kind of protection, well..., I told them not to base there decisions on the forum, all of you people are not John)
Anyways I do want to reply to some of the things I missed before, nothing about John's hosting but questions about mine:
But Ian what other host helps you fix your scripts for free?
Us
What other host will NOT cancel your account on a false spam complaint?
Us
What other host will not kick you off for useing too much resources?
Us
We are not basing our scripts, database, or anything else on CAC's script (it isn't ported, not one line is the same as CAC, it is all much more powerful)... Our scripts are of a much higher quality, use much less server resources, and have many more features then the CAC scripts.
Chris Houlihan
Jun 16 2002, 10:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by YBonline:
Yes, just so you know, I have gotten 2 people who have told me so far they won't be hosting with MEC because of what other people said about it here in the forum (being so forceful about protecting it, they say basicly if they need that kind of protection, well..., I told them not to base there decisions on the forum, all of you people are not John).
Well it's too bad for those people, they're missing out. The only reason people are being "protective" as you call it is that everytime MyEcom scripts and MyEcom hosting is mentioned it seems that you're always there to make a little comment about how yours is better:
quote:
You might want to hold off... I have a better deal then them for hosting that will be available very soon...
And I don't think that is very fair or professional.
quote:
Anyways I do want to reply to some of the things I missed before, nothing about John's hosting but questions about mine:
But Ian what other host helps you fix your scripts for free?
Us
What other host will NOT cancel your account on a false spam complaint?
Us
What other host will not kick you off for useing too much resources?
Us
You may not do it, but the people running your servers will. You don't have a choice as to what happens to the sites' hosting.
quote:
Originally posted by YBonline:
We are not basing our scripts, database, or anything else on CAC's script (it isn't ported, not one line is the same as CAC, it is all much more powerful)... Our scripts are of a much higher quality, use much less server resources, and have many more features then the CAC scripts.
Neither is John...
[ 06-17-2002, 12:21 AM: Message edited by: Chris Houlihan ]
YBonline
Jun 17 2002, 04:05 AM
quote:
Well it's too bad for those people, they're missing out. The only reason people are being "protective" as you call it is that everytime MyEcom scripts and MyEcom hosting is mentioned it seems that you're always there to make a little comment about how yours is better:
I am not the one who said that you are being protective, other people have come to me and said that.
quote:
You might want to hold off... I have a better deal then them for hosting that will be available very soon...
Better means equal or higher quality for the same or equal price.
quote:
And I don't think that is very fair or professional.
What? People are just trying to say John is the only one doing things here, I'm telling them I do that to.
quote:
You may not do it, but the people running your servers will. You don't have a choice as to what happens to the sites' hosting.
I may not, but I own at least one of the main servers we are going to be hosting our sites off of? I already have servers setup in my house for hosting the sites... All the deals I made for hosting I know the people very well, and they will direct anything to me about any problems or questions about the hosting that is at all related to GPS, including spam reports, resource overusage (and that shouldn't be a problem with our scripts) and so on.
quote:
Neither is John...
MEC's scripts are a ported version of CAC, he did it one file at a time making the database the same format, just changing the language from Perl to PHP. Ares were written not even looking at the CAC source code, files, or anything else related to CAC. You don't believe that? Thats the only way you can have half CAC files, and then different referral links from the CAC programs.
Chris Houlihan
Jun 17 2002, 05:16 AM
quote:
What? People are just trying to say John is the only one doing things here, I'm telling them I do that to.
No one ever said that, we were talking about MyEcom hosting being back up for new signups...
quote:
MEC's scripts are a ported version of CAC, he did it one file at a time making the database the same format, just changing the language from Perl to PHP. Ares were written not even looking at the CAC source code, files, or anything else related to CAC. You don't believe that? Thats the only way you can have half CAC files, and then different referral links from the CAC programs.
Umm...
No, the PHP ones that were used to replace the cgi's were based on the CAC scripts, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the NEW scripts the ones that are being sold at MyEcom and the one that MyEcom hosted CAC sites are being transfered to. These scripts are not CAC's and are not based on CAC's if they were, they would be illegal and John would be sued...
YBonline
Jun 17 2002, 09:19 AM
quote:
No one ever said that, we were talking about MyEcom hosting being back up for new signups...
"Where else can you get this? Where else can you get that?"
That is saying features are unique to MEC, which is completely not true.
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