I have bought referrals twice thru the ptre site that I wanted the referrals in.

The first time, I emailed the wm and said that I was looking to buy some referrals and was wondering if they were finished deleting inactives, as they sent an email a little while before stating that they were going to. A day or 2 later they replied yes they had just finished going thru deleting inactives. So I purchased 10 referrals for the same price that I could have gotten many more elsewhere, but since I only do this for fun(getting harder to say that lately) and this program was not doing great financially at the time, I decided I would be nice and purchase them thru there to help out a bit. Although I had already purchased 20-30 emails thru them. Since my sister is under me, I decided to purchase them under her, to benefit us both and help her out a bit also.
I received my referrals about 1-2 weeks later.

Stats before I bought referrals-------level 1------2
level 2------0

Stats after I bought referrals----------level 1------2
level 2------9
level 3------3-----i think not sure

Stats about 2 weeks after I received them-----level 1-----2
level 2-----5
level 3-----3


The second program I bought 20 referrals for:

Before purchase---------level 1-------2
level 2-------0

After purchase-----------level 1-------19
level 2-------6

3-4 days after purchase-------level 1--------12
level 2--------3

Today(about a month later)----level 1--------8
level 2--------0

I emailed webmaster after so many disappeared after 3-4 days and wm said I had deleted inactives but when I get some more, I will fix you up.
Ever since this time, I see that wm has been and is still selling referrals so must have more, but none for me.


My question to wms, why cheat us and sell us inactive referrals????? This really peeves me and is very unfair!! But I have learned my lesson and hopefully some of you will learn from my mistakes. And yes both are very reputable programs.

I bought referrals from a popular site last month and I am not a happy camper.

Here is what happened: I had about 50 contest winners for which I promised a free ref to each of them.

I went to another site and paid for 100 referrals. The paid-to-signup offer was set up for me, and I used a generic link for the signups so that I would know which were coming from the other site.

It's still ongoing, because I have only received about 20 signups from that ptsu offer so far, and they are almost all inactive!

I do not give inactive referrals to my members!
When I give a referral to a member, I only give those that have been a member long enough for me to judge that they are indeed active.
I have a feeling that most of those 100 I paid for will end up being deleted for inactivity
I still have to find 50 or so active referrals to give to my contest winners.

Please tell me you didn't buy from Dragone Team on Ebay, because I just did that, and I don't want to find out my $20.00 was wasted! Could you PM me who you bought from, and where, so I don't make the same mistake? Pls? Maybe you should just post it here, as this is complaints, after all.

No, I didn't buy them from the Dragone team at ebay.
I will pm you, because the site I got them from has a good, honest webmaster and I don't want to drag him through the mud.
I do know that I won't be buying any more referrals from that site.

Both are very reputable ptre sites I bought from also so the same reason for me as to not mentioning names. But these referrals were bought from their program for their program. I didn't buy signups from them for another ptr.

Some may think this is ok but I don't. They are always going on about inactives and cheats so why sell them to your good members?

I understand what your saying. I bought 100 or 200 (it was a special) and I saw about 10 at most, never got the rest. All but 2 of those unsubbed right before KCC went down. I can tell you this......I will NEVER buy referrals againg.

Hey guys, just my 2 cents...the referrals that I sell on Ebay, or give as a prize are very active. That is very poor business to sell inactive referrals..I can see if they were active then all of a sudden became inactive for a reason..but an honest wb that likes to keep their members happy would replace them if it happened soon after the purchase

See ya, Raell

Here's one for you

What happens if you buy referrals for a program and then find you are in the downline of one of the referrals you bought?

Question?
Money WM get for selling inactive/active referrals go where?
does ot go back to the active members or to their own pocket?

I had it the other way around one of the persons in my downline ( a referral) bought I don't know about 70 referrals and she was already in my downline, I had a huge downline there already now I have over 25% of the members in my downline. And the webmaster wanted to sell my upline (there was only one person above me) with, logically lot's of referrals in the end he sold it under the condition that it will not be put under your own account, because he was scared I would get that downline (my own) lol I think with my mazzal at that site I would have hahahaha

I am still very satisfied with my account there

Have a great day all,

Pos

Isn't that only possible with non-upgraded cac-sites?

I know a wm who had a lot of troubles with that. It's called a referral loop. It causes the wm to pay more than his standard 100% + ref%'s, will slow the database down and eventually may cause account stats not to show up anymore until it's fixed......

If this isn't a cac-site, all should be well though, because the wm knew what he/she was getting him/herself into....

If anyone has purchased referrals from any of my 8 programs, and they have been deleted for inactivity, I want an email from you. I have had some members, (and can back it up) email me that their referrals were deleted due to inactivity, and they replaced, and even a few more added. If you pay for something, it should stay. Inactives do, and always will happen, but you the member should not take the hit for that, I should, and I will. Email me!

A true good wm!! As should be. But unfortunately it wasn't you.
I do understand that inactives are bound to happen but 3-4 days after purchase is ridiculous. I'd rather sit here and light my money on fire at least I'd get some heat out of it, (something's better than nothing)

I pm'd the wm today of the 2nd one I mentioned and she has fixed me up. Another good one!!

As for the other one, I'll know better next time.

I buy referrals from one person and one person ONLY.

He gives me the greatest deals and ALWAYS delivers....usually within 24 hours. And if not completely delivered...you can be sure it is up and running. He is the best!!

I suggest you go with him: Clickcents

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...95&f=16&t=39530

I have gone to him thanks and he is great. When I bought the first set, the wm wasn't doing great at the site so I purchased a bunch of ads and some referrals to help the site out, I felt sry for her, as everyone was jumping all over her at the time about the changes she was making to try to keep the site up. I could have bought 10x the referrals for the same price elsewhere if I had wanted.
No good deed goes unnoticed, HA!!!

I agree with Ironsides. If you purchase a referral in one of my sites and it becomes inactive ( I say becomes because when I give it to you it is active) send me an email and it will be replaced with another active referral.

When I give away or sell a referral that referral has clicked on links in the last 3 days. However we can't go to their house and make them keep clicking for you.

Drop a line with your username and let them know that your referrals are not active.

I hope they would fix it for you.

Question:

Where are free referrals come from?I don't think anyone reach by coinicence any of ptr sites not to mention non of them advertise on search engines so it must be member coming with someone ref. link and the referrer isn't credited for it either because the signer didn't sign straight and was browing around first..
Just wonder how there are so many " free referrals" out of the blue.
I find it disgusting tho to trade members without their knowledge nor their permition and i wonder where does the money which come from this activity goes to?to the good members or to wm pocket entirely.

i recently bought some referrals and was curious as to which sites that u guys got ripped off at please w/b

Most orphan members have an invalid upline (usually because they joined with an invalid ref link or they put something strange in the referrer box.
As for selling referrals, it may go in some wm's pocket, but not all of them, that's for sure!

Hi,

It's very nice to say we can ask new refs if the ones we bought have gone inactive but how on earth do we know they're inactive ?

I mean, if I have 20 refs and buy 10 more from webmaster for example ... how can I know which ones are active and which ones are not ?

How can I then mail to webmaster to tell they're inactive ? If I have no mean to see who is active and who is not ?

The only thing I can do is mailing webmaster to check on those referrals activity .. but then WM also has to remember which are the ones I bought and which are the ones I found by promoting because again, I have no means to control that ....

Thanks

Sophie

In my case I only had 2 in each and know who they are and they are still members. When you buy 20 and only have 2, you know they were inactive. I lost 10 in one of these programs after 3 days. But that wm has fixed it.
All I am saying is they should at least delete inactives and then sell the rest.

I bought some refs at Ebay for EmailPayAll (Dragone Team) and it all worked out fine, within a few days they appeared at my downline

So I bid at another auction (Bond James Bond) also from the Dragone Team, but I never saw my downline increase. (I had none, so it was easy to check). So I mailed them, no reply . I mailed them again, no reply. Another third mail has been sent last week and still no reply ....

I'm waiting another week and then I'm going to close ALL of my Dragone Team PTR..

Wonderful... how long ago did you buy the referrals? I just learned today e-bay doesn't even allow the selling of referrals. Hopefully, they'll discover the Dragone Team, and we can get our money back that way! I'm still waiting on my referrals, too.

I'm not sure I've been ripped of yet, but it's been a week, and I haven't even gotten an E-MAIL from the Dragone Team. I bought 30 garunteed referrals from them on e-bay, and haven't seen a single referral, nor have they confirmed my payment. BEWARE! :ph34r:

I have only sold orphaned referrals once, and don't plan on doing it again. Needed the money in the accounts. Normally I print a list of all gold members, start at the top and assign orphaned referral direct to the gold members account. When I get to the bottom of the list, I print another and start over.

However, each member that bought referrals was sent a list of the username of the referral placed under them. I also placed each of these member into the free referral rotation. So basically they got a gold membership without the free advertisement.

Ron

Hi everyone. I use a referral program that really works. It's free to join and they also send daily paid mail. I love this site, it has worked well for me. Check it out.

http://yourreferralgarden.com/paidemail/p....ee52/index.html

Please remove your referral link.

When I do sell referrals, which is not very often, I clean out the inactives right before I am ready to assign the referrals.

I also take a look at referrals' accounts, and if they are not very active, I throw in a few extra free referrals in for insurance.

I do get a few stray referrals still, so I have decided to auction them off once a month.

I make sure to include the most active ones with the purchase as well...

Any luck yet? Not I... I think it's getting near time to leave negative feedback and contact the e-bay authorities.

Buying refs!! Bah! I bought some about 2 months ago off ebay. Wasn't from Dragone. Anyway, saw two join my program and then nothing for about three weeks. Then another one joined but after 30 days the WM deletes inactives and I lost one. Still never got my full 10 I won and already lost one I did get. I'll never buy refs again. Waste of my hard earned money!

buying referrals from some sites like gold4email and quicker clicker is not a really good idea. sorry wm of these 2 sites i think you are great but people abuse this opportunity for them to earn.

some people just sign up multiple programs and send the comfirmation emails. when their sign ups get verified they probably already have about 1 dollar in their cash account. then what they'll do is just to cash out (these 2 sites have automatic cashout feature) and forget about it.

I have 10 1st level referrals and 28 2nd level referrals for gold4email and only earned a mere 0.5 dollars so far. so you can see why people are attracted to abuse the paid-to-sign up offers. it is just about fast and easy cash......

Why one want to have referrals?
They make you money...isn't it.

So, imagine, you are a wm. A wm has a site: to make money
There is then absolutely no reason to sell "orphaned" members, unless they get more money from selling that referrals then it will cost them for increased payout towards the buyer??

Please mention the programs, I'd like to know which webmasters are making such practices and being so unfair with hard-work and honest members.

I have only used this method of getting refs once.

There reason I used the site I did ( not advertising it here ) is because I know the owner upholds complaints, if you join a PTJ and are non active upon confirmation their bonus is removed and you get another chance for a ref.

Personaly I would make a compalaint

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Then they shouldn't sell them in the first place or at least they oughta warn possible buyers that a certain ##% of the members become inactives after a while and they take the risk when buying the referrals.

I do it so that "the average Joe" who may not be good at referrals and may not want to be gold gets a chance at them.

I think many of my Gold Members will agree that they get a fair amount of random referrals as it is. I also include a large ad package which makes it well worth the price.

I don't have to get rid of them, but it adds money to the point pool for increased point value, and some people really want them.

I also start the bidding off at 1 cent.

And in my case, people actually end up getting more than they thought

I have only bought referrals once, from Mythical Mail (they came with an ad too), and I have been happy with them so far.

I think referrals should be guaranteed for so long a time period. Noone should expect to buy 10 or 20 referrals and see them all still there in a couple years.
I was just reading an email from Randy, wm of PEFTGWN, nutcase, and others, last night, I think, and he mentioned that anyone buying referrals from him were guaranteed that these referrals would be active for a year. If one unsubscribes before that time, he will replace it. This is how it should be.

Nice going Randy!! Again Great Job!! BTW, unfortunately, none were from his programs, !!

My question is,
If they had JUST gotten through deleting inactives, and you received your refs about 1-2 weeks later.....how could they be inactive already?

Does this program have a habit of deleting inactives every couple of weeks?

That's insane!

I've been giving referral to my members, only a few days ago I added a redemption option for referrals, and nobody has redeemed for one yet, but the rules will be the same whether a referral was given or redeemed for. And I know I'm not the only one who does it this way, so does Mary Loy, and probably others.
Of course, this refers to a referral given to a FreeAndEasy member, not selling referrals to another program.
When I give a referral, I only give those who have been a member for long enough to determine that they are indeed active.
If for any reason, that referral is deleted for inactivity, they will be replaced (it has happened).
Also, giving my members the ability to see the usernames of their downlines makes things better for me and them.
Members can see which members disappear from their downlines (which disappearance may or may not be due to getting deleted for inactivity. members do delete their own accounts sometimes, although why they would quit f&e I have NO idea )
But anyhow, members DO contact me frequently and ask if a certain member in their downline is active, and I don't mind telling them yes or no (I do not impart any personal information about their downlines).

As for buying downlines from program A to go in your downline at program B; the only program I know of who follows up to verify that the purchased members are active is Clearly The One.

I am new to running my own program and so I can only speak for myself.

When I first opened my site, I set up an account for myself to receive random referrals just like any other gold member.

I can not control how frequently referrals are assigned to any of my gold members or to my account.

When I have enough members in my downline I sell them as a package on EBay or give them away to my mebers as contest prizes.

When I sell these downline members I always make certain they are active and am always willing to offer a 60 day gaurantee.

I just recently sold a very large downline to a member and informed her immediately that she would be gauranteed a replacment if her number of referrals dropped below that which she purchased.

All of the money I make from selling these members is returned to my program in the form of paid ads for my mebers to click and it also pays for my operating costs such as hosting.

I always check on my members who have purchased downlines or gold memberships from me within the last 60 days to determine if they have what I think is a fair number of referrals for their money.

If they have fewer members than I think they should have I add some more to their accounts as I just did with another member who purchased gold within the first week of our operation.

I have not had any complaints so far about this and I always tell my mebers where this money is going to.

They see the evidence of it in the number of emails with ADMIN links that I send to them and the values of those links.

I also use some of these funds to pay for ads that I frequently give away to my members.

I don't think what I am doing is wrong since my members are happy so far.

I don't know what policy other webmasters use but this is my 2 cents on the subject.