Hi all,

I joined ExitCashFlow 2 days ago...immediately followed by signups at 4 traffic exchanges.

With my usual flair for timing, ECF was on the blink that first day, so I was not TOO worried when the amount of visits reported by the Traffic exchange sites did not agree with the hits reported by ECF (300+ vs. 120).

However ECF has been fine (I think) since then, and the discrepancies have gotten a lot worse, in the last 24 hours the TXs report 250+ visits (I assigned a few to another program) and ECF only reports around 30 of those!!!

Now I'm beggining to get REALLY worried, especially since the ECF admin apparently hardly ever answers anything (this from posts at their own Forum).

BTW none of the TX's are autosurfers...

Is anyone else having similar problems?

I'm a little also a little and

Help anyone?

They only count unique hits..

start signing up for all non automatic exchanges, you might get some more uniques

Ok,.... once per day?...once per lifetime?

Still seems a HUGE discrepancy though...

Hi peer, I take your point and I'm doing that.

Still seems not enough to account for all the discrepancies though...

And as I say, is this a once per lifetime or once per day unique hit thing?

Don't see how they could achieve a lifetime unique hit thing...I erase all cookies every time I log off the internet, and my ISP assigns different ip addys every time I log on...

Well,
when i started a few months ago, and found out about uniques a week or so later, must say, it was a bit depressing.

Maybe this helps:

Anyway, when you have your own website, you can run it along and you can put your counter in there. Webcounter.com is the best. It shows you everything (number of hits from each exchange, uniques, sorted by country, language and specified by hour.) That way I found out that when I run the same tx on the same hour, uniques drop fast. At one o clock my time a lot of hits from China, none from the us. 10 hours later, the opposite.
You can also check for the good exchanges: some claim to give you 200 hits hour, but they do not.

Another tip, try to run a specific exchange only for an hour, the same people are there, and sometimes there are only like 10 users on the exchange, there are not so very many people doing the click click click you know.

I found the counting from ECF is accurate however.

I get what you are saying, the problem then is that on average surfers at the TX stay on clicking even after they have seen all available sites, then cycle trough.

In the case of two of the 4 exchanges that might very well be true, but I'm pretty sure that in the other two it would be hard to cycle through more than once. The first time. I stayed on for quite a while (almost 2 1/2 hours to build up some credits) and yes in two of the sites I got repeats and a couple of double repeats (going by site owners name, most visible in ECF, not so much or not at all in others), but in the other two the first repeats came as I was about ready to log off.

What I'm saying is that unless someone stayed on for over 6 hours, my relative hit count should not be so disparate.

I'm not doubting the ECF count mind you, I'm just looking for answers. The explanation of unique hits reconciles some of it but definitely not all...

Thanks for the input anyway...

Any good 1:1 Traf Ex that anybody cares to recommend?

Be happy to use your ref url, just PM me...

I'm not sure if this is right or not...but if I see jordi49's ECF page he will get credit...but then the next ECF page belongs to Peer...I believe they wont get credit from me, because I've already seen an ECF. Its not just unquiqe hits per everyones ECF, but just ONE ECF I believe or am I wrong?

Daniel

I have been using a hit exchange and putting it on for a day and off. Sometimes I take it off for a few hours then on again when I remember. I also send it out with point redemptions. It seems to be working pretty good. If you want the hit exchange I use you can PM me, I hate to just send.

ECF counts each UNIQUE IP that hits that persons link. So it doesnt matter if you hit Joe's in the last 5 minutes, you hit Fred's, it will still count as a unique hit.

It's when you add them to exchanges though that it's really pointless, because you are bound to have it hit anything upto 10 times by the same person on the same IP.

Another point is: the page must be completely downloaded... it needs variable time... some connection allows to download the page in few seconds, other a lot more time... and also the moment of the day is influencing downloading time...

Reedeming points for clicks with pay2read and pay2clicks programs is a good way to increase fastly the traffic toward your ECF page...

Martin_Venator

This is on the start page for ECF. No where in the TOS or FAQ do I see where each hit has to be unique.

I know, but it is a unique IP per 24 hour period.

*has actually tested it on his own link*

It is definitely a unique daily click. I found a posting about it in their forums.

That makes sense too, otherwise I could get together with a friend and we could both click on each other's link all day long...

I think my main complaint may be the total lack of support from admin...

NO answer to my message through the contact us link.

NO answer to my post in the forum (not only from admin...but from anyone)

And Martin yes I take your point about the page loading fully...though I think it only needs to release the popup, but not 100% sure. That is why the first day I was not too worried as the site went on the blink...the second day was really weird though...I only got credit for about 8% of the hits registered at the traffic exchanges, and that day the site was responding properly...

Once I have enough points I will be redeeming them for ads, but so far I've only been back in the world of PTR for about 3 weeks...after a 3 year layoff....

And don't forget that people using aol use the same ip together and this also happens to a lot of people using a little isp or are on a dynamic ip.
This meens that you can have lets say 3 different visitors but only one hit because of the ip.

Yeah, proxy issues. I think they might have worked a way around that, but aint sure.

Last time I checked (a couple of months ago) they were using among other things... a twenty-SEVEN hour cookie for popup delivery (not 24).

It sure doesn't look good, with their admin(s) ignoring questions in their own forum

so then it's normal that my hits were off by more than 1000???

If you were using a manual surf site to advertise your link, then that is possible.

It is a lot better say sending it through as a Paid to Read email, then compare your clicks you got on the email link and the number you have in your ECF account. You can then easily tell if you are getting what you paid for...

All I've done is ptr ads. That's why I was so puzzled. Thstats at the programs I advertised with were always higher than what ECF showed

It sounds like people are clicking the link, but not letting it load the page, just allowing it to load up the top section of the email where the information on the timer and such is, or closing it as soon as the link diverts...

the bums.....lol.....guess I'll just have to keep promoting it then....lol

Thanks

This is what I think.
There is a group of people very active on the net. Sometimes I am one of them. They are a member of many ptr, many autohitters and many manual exchanges.
On a day that I am very active for instance, I get to see that ECF page over and over and over again (that is why i do not like it, super boring ). To get it 500 times a day is normal, well, do you wonder your hits are not counting?

oh yep, of course no pop up comes thru ever, so any penny paid for it is cheated out of the advertizer anyway.

Shoot!, that's true...they may only count the first ExitCashFlow page we see with a fresh cookie... blast!, no wonder the stats are so different...that would also account for the differences in ptr's as well, most of us belong to several ptr's, so when we see an ad we have probably seen it somewhere else already...also if you have set the computer to reject third party cookies it probably would not count the hit either...

At least I'm good for several hits per day, as my browser erases all cookies every time I close it, and since I do that fairly often...

I usually allow the popup to load, then close it as I cycle through the windows (I use a multiple window browser), so that is ok...

Just as reference, I have about 500 credts in my account right now out of around 1600 fram the traffic exchange stats...