Just want to make a investigation.

If your sites are welcome international members.

How many percent of your members are from China & India or others countries that are said full of cheaters.

Please list here if this is not a secret.

Thanks for your help.

Unfortunately there have been a whole lot of problems from people in the countries you mentioned. We as webmasters can and it is our right to disallow people from any demographic we choose. Just like it is anybody's right to disallow entry to anybody into the place where they sleep (Their Home) "Just Because." I don't think anybody has kept any stats on this problem. We just know it is happening and it is happening frequently enough to put a stop to it.

It seems like you have been placed in this catch-22 and you are looking for reasons why. Honestly, it is not your fault or the fault of the webmasters that disallow server content to you. Place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the people that have ruined it for you. Yes, I'm talking about the scammers that take advantage of good-natured webmasters. The cheaters of the world that for the most part seem to come from the countries you mentioned.

If you are that concerned you should have been working to get these people properly identified, getting the message out to them that they are ruining it for you, and they are giving you a bad reputation. In other words, the time to question this problem is not now but instead it should have been some time ago when the problem was first showing it's ugly head and everybody was talking about it.

Just my $0.02 Worth Of Free Speech Dollars - LOL!

Phil

I'm not all that good at math, so no percents here. But I can tell you how many i deleted so far:

Out of 650 members:

Deleted 28 from China and India due to TOS violations (not all info and not writing me prior to signup or within reasonable amount of time after signing up)

Deleted 7 members for clicking cheater links. The majority of these were from Poland, and 1 from China, but she got deleted due to above circumstances.

There are cheaters from everywhere, not just China and India. I try not to categorize all members from China and India as cheaters, because many of them are not, and have not violated any of my rules.

You are one of those good members at my site

I agree with you nutcase, it is the ones that ruined it for the good members that have caused this whole problem.

I don't ban countries.
If I did begin having problems with members from certain countries, I would find ways to deal with the individual cheating members.
The only member I have had a problem with multiple accounts is a resident of the US.
But that hasn't made me ban US members!

Consider yourself lucky that you haven't been hit by the "Swarm" yet. Mark my words, you will be hit in time, and when it happens your head will be left spinning like a 1 dollar hooker at a frat party. It's not a feel good!

Phil

Ah, I just sent my first anti cheat link and out of 20 that have clicked so far 18 are from Poland.

From the looks of it the cheating problem is from Polish members and not so much China and India.

I believe that the probelm from china and India is not cheating but a lack of understanding and a lack of real support for the program. Just click click click.

By lack of understanding I mean the English language and the fact that they do not read sign up rules before joining.

I have just deleted a total of 108 members from India and China out of a total 136 because they did not follow the simple sign up rules.

Cath

In my program

multiple acccount : about 90% is from China
(I had not had problem with members from India,Poland)
cheat link: about 60% is from China & 20% is from US

but it is true i have many members from China
payout: more than 60% is from China

shhhhhhhh

it's a secret


seriously though, i don't care if the person is from china, india, poland, the usa, canada, mars, or where, if they follow tos of pantheremails, then they're welcome in

i haven't done any cheat links (yet), nor had to delete anyone for multiple sign ups (yet)

i've had some other problems, but not that yet lol

as far as i'm concerned, it's simple: if you have enough of an understanding of english to be able to understand the emails, and understand what's on the website that the link takes you to, then come on in. however... if you are from mars or pluto or something like that, don't expect me to mail you a check, you have to use paypal or e-gold, because the postage to try and mail a check to mars or pluto would be just waaaaaaaaaaay too much

To Nutcase,


i have been hit by the "swarm" and indeed it was not a pleasure dealing with it, but whatever happens, it will not make me ban regions or countries from joining.

So far i have deleted about 2000 members of the "swarm" in total over time, and i deleted them only because they were either inactive, or breaking terms, i will never ever ban a country or region, as maybe a lot of people from certain countries are cheaters, but there are ALWAYS good members in that country/region too, i would not feel good with myself banning those good members from my programs.

And to add a part about the cheatlinks, i have sent 1 of them so far, and about 80% of the members that clicked it were from the U.S.

And in answer to the first post, i think i have about 3000 members from india/china in total over all the sites.

my 0.0001 cents.

peter

I'm the same way.. I do not ban certain countries either I deal with them on a one by one basis..

LOL!
Cheaters are all over the world.


Your so great.

I can see why programs do ban members from certain cvountries, BUT, I have qking as my 1st tier downline in a few programs, and I wouldn't swap them for anyone

I am thankful that he/she is in my downline, and is allowed to joi these programs.

If these countries are banned, a lot of programs are missing out on a LOT of HONEST memberas from this country.

As someone else stated, the population of these countries is huge, so of course there will be a lot of cheaters from there.

I now say, after being PROPERLY educated about the chinese members etc etc, that they should be dealt with on a member per member bases, and not all banned....for 2 reasons, 1 lots of honest members from this country, and 2, it will make for better membership numbers, in programs which are finding it hard to get enough members.

I wil be opening my own PTR in the near future, and I will not block certain countries, but I will delete cheaters, wherever they are from

that's i want to say.