BEFORE YOU READ THIS.... THEIR WILL BE NO ARUGMENTS TO GET THE THREAD CLOSED...

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I know that your probably going thinking I'm a scammer, cheater, or hacker for posting this.........

But Kiwinz is a good person....

He's not what you think he is....

He is a human being (like me) that wants to make money online like the rest of us in here.

Just beacause he is friends with venomx does not mean a thing..

I'm also friends with venomx...

So? Why is he a scammer, cheater, hacker... and whatever the other bad things you can sya about him ... true?

Show me some proof!

Show me some Evidence!

What did Kiwinz do that was so bad???

This boy has been sad since the day that he has seen complaints about him...

I'm so confused here...

I talk with kiwinz everyday.. why?



Now you made him Shut down Anohter-PTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? People?

how can people make him shut down a gptr program.

only a webmaster can shut it down.

he owes me 10.00 because he cheated someone of a gold membership and i had to pay them back with my paypal account because i allowed kiwinz to use my paypal address for his email program. and that person that he cheated did a reversal of payment. this was back on 12/14 or 12/15 if i'm not mistaken. and kiwinz got paid in egold moneyl for that 10.00 so he was supposed to send it back to me.

5 months later. i'm still waiting.

He was banned from here for being a friend of Venomex's?

I don't understand...
(as usual, lol)

im so sick of webmasters that cry like babies oh you made me close my program

well maybe if you didnt cheat members

start program after program and give us another line of sh@t of why you did it members would be loyal

the problem is too many webmasters dont have the knowledge or the resources to run a ptr like a business the ones that do have no problems but we get alot of get rich quick types with 100 dollars to start a ptr or kids who have no idea what thier doing thats my 2 cents

To me, right there is a scam... Why can't he use his own account. I worked for a bank for years and this was one of the first things we were tought. Never let someone use your account with the promise you will make money. egold exchange or trades is similiar to another scam-first you do trades in small amounts gain someones trust after a period of time...then you do the big exchange and you end up getting ripped off. Never use the same password and never use a family members name or birthdate.

If Kiwinz shut down hi program without telling his members or paying them back then he is a thief or scammer. No one made him shut his program down, he did it all by himself.

I've always thought kiwinz was just an alias John (venomx)came up with, to be able to post here after being banned. I mean, when John posts something at getpaidfyi, kiwinz is almost always the very next person to post in the thread, and he ALWAYS agrees with John. Heck, I signed up with Another-paid without knowing who ran it, then quietly deleted myself when I looked it up last week.

No, that is not the reason. I will not discuss the reason, we never do discuss banned members, promoballer, I wish you would get all the facts before going off half-cocked all the time, just because you talk to somebody who can twist you round their little finger, doesn't make them a good person.

I didn't know he had another ptr, let alone shut it down, have I got something to do with it? Or somebody else here? Or all of us?

What power we wield

oooh.............. I just got you, anotherptr is the name of the program!

Sorry, never heard of it, can't be anything I said then.

Yes, KiwiNz is a very nice person.

He has very helpful with me on PaidEmail4Fun, and I think this is such a shame.

Like I said before, just because you talk to somebody who can twist you round their little finger, doesn't make them a good person.

Promoballer, why do you always try to stir up trouble?

I mean, what was the point of this?

http://www.getpaidfyi.com/showthread.php?threadid=1400

or this?

I can't post the link as it was before the upgrade at JOF but here is a copy and paste:



my reply to you there



This was straight after posting this:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...12&t=24581&st=0

I never knew he shut down Another-PTR?

:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

hmmm - cant say a bad word about kiwinz --> he/she seemed like a nice person back when i started here at gpf...


but about this venomx character He is a scammer who doesnt pay his members!! And thats well known!!

OK - well since this thread has been started - I'll put in my two cent's worth.

Long before he was a WM (not that I joined nor would I ever), in the downline exchange thread this "person" signed up under me in Optin-Pays for CASH (40cents or 50 cents .. cannot remember). He was my ONLY referral at that time - and still was for at least 3 months. I could therefore see EXACTLY how he performed.

He made me the grand total of 8 cents in those three months.

So - if he is prepared to take my money just for the h*ll of it, and not be active, give me ONE good reasn why I should ever even consider joining anything he was involved in ?

As Opt-in is just about THE best payer site on the net, I can only assume that he either cancelled under me (I cannot tell I have other refs now) and resigned up under someone else (maybe scamming them for MORE cash), or he is still under me but totally inactive - in which case I ask myself ..... WHY ????

So promo ???? Still a good guy ??