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Cyber..i think I love you, lol!!

That is one of THE most intelligent posts I have read on this forum!!!!

Well written, well thought out!

Hear that? It's me clapping for you!!!!

WTG!

Thank you, thank you very much!

I am going to have to agree with this.

I have personally been attacked many times on this forum and the thread degraded to a bytch session. I don't know that's I'd go so far as to post other people's personal info, cause that's dangerous and WAY crossing the line.

We are supposed to be here anonymously (did I spell that right), which I think means anonymous. Labeling people with or without "proof" is just plain wrong. Moreover to post the very personal information is insane. It shows a serious lack of responsibility.

If you are going to lie, it should at least be for a good reason. Like... trying to hide your personal information, which should never be made public without your consent. How would you like it if someone smeared you on half-measured investigation and assumptions?

I could point some fingers too (especially a member that fancies himself a mod that starts with a "J" and we ALL know who I'm talking about), but where would that go? Personal vendettas don't belong on a public forum. If you have a problem with someone, PM them and express your concern before making a public arse of yourself. You should leave your accusations to yourself.

I would like to say good job to the mods for protecting even members that are questionable. It shows the quality of decency as well as open-mindedness. Especially when there are TOO many possiblities.

The only forum police here are the Mods. IMHO, NO MEMBER OR WM should be making investigations on other members to obtain their personal information and sharing it with the public. Especially to slander them. I am kind of flaterred that someone did that. But I'm not gay, and not intersted in dating a guy. Please keep the cyberstalking out of the forum. I know I'm cute, but guys, I'm straight.

Just say no to cyberstalking.

Does that mean if we choose to agree we be not free to post?

I think your comments are well stated, though packed with emotion they are. It matters not that hold the same viewpoint as another we do. In fact, diversity is what makes this place so much fun. Imagine how boring it might become if every one thought the same. Over a thousand people who think, speak, and write like me? My Gawd, is that a scary thought.

I am an adult and think I can do relatively well, though some might disagree. That is their right and smite them I shall not. When one steps over the bounds of human decency by flaming me for daring to express my thoughts here in a public forum on subjects that might be construed as generally not talked about, well it just isn't right. Two choices I have to make. Either to talk or not to talk. If talk I do not, then defeat the purpose of this forum I now have done.

Accused of attempting to only raise post counts or perhaps of being a cheat because I dare to go against the norm and not bury my head within the sand. I state these things, with a grain of salt, for of neither thing have I ever been accused, but my eyes have witnessed individuals who have had these accusations thrust their way simply because they speak.

'Tis not good. We should all embrace the differences which exist between us for that is what makes this forum work so well. We need not be admonished by webmasters for failure for their websites to thrive or goaded into reading that which we do not wish to read. If I click upon a link and spend time upon a site, it is my choice. Do you really think that .025 cents can buy you my undying gratitude and loyalty. I know my job, I know your desires and sometimes never the twain shall meet, but that does not necessarily make me a bad person or give you the right to label me as something I am not.

Since rant and rave this topic did invite, then rant and rave I just did. Am done now.. and.. well geesh... it kind of felt good. Thank you for letting me pontificate.

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WOO-HOO!!! i could not have said it half as well myself, but i am standing up and applauding!!! hope you can here it from here !!! thank you!!! for once, i agree 110% with something !!! way to go !!!! well said ! well thought out and very well written !!!! lol:

Well...I have this ex....

Those of you that have read about HHHEmails (HelpHireHitmanEmail) know all about it.

I could give details, ROFL




oops does that fit the thread theme?

Wow! Some very good points mentioned here. Many of these have been thoughts of my own, yet not stated. I also, was going to leave a big long post here, but you all have done such a good job. There is not much left for me to say. Lighten up, and take this industry as the hobby it is.

ahem, I cleaned the bank out, sold the kids, dog, cat, van and cashed out my ``millions`` from my ptr memberships, was that enough for your cause??? LOL I do believe in a good cause you know

as for this topic, yes I agree, we all have our own minds and never in this world are we ever gonna all think the same.
as for bashing or posting personal info, what about a web master that deletes 20,000 members at one time and you know for a fact that many of them did NOT cheat, and (yes I was one of them) you wrote many letters to the web master and they finnally write you back and say well 33% if your downline was cheaters there for you are one too and I deleted you, I do not like being scammed~! that was not right and yes I did come here and I did tell everyone how he scammed me and so did a LOT of others. then we wanted to contact the fbi because this person took a lot of money and it wasnt fair (many people were at cashout so you add 20,000 members and even if they only had 5.00 each that is more then just pennies) so someone posted his whi is info, are you saying that was wrong? we had to have his info for the fbi because we wanted him to be investigated, of cource after so many people went to the fbi and many other places, he gave everyone their accounts back!!!!! and didnt even bother to tell half of them! if soemone is proven without a doubt to be a cheater, and it has to do with thousands of dollars I do believe they lost some of their rights, it just isnt fair someone can take all that money and just run (wich by the way, he did AGAIN!) it doesnt matter, he got the money in the end any way LOL so it really didnt matter what we did (unless of cource he is sitting in jail because of stealing all the money, but we would never know would we, or maybe we would cause we would be the wittnesses I guess)
ok I am tired and I think I have made no sence so I will stop typing now LOL sorry I was trying to make a point but I even lost myself LOL have a good one all and happy chatting

I agree, it's just a hobby...as for 1heluva and all the bubble games, all I can say is, watch out putting your money into any investment that states either "don't put in what you can't afford to lose" or "the money paid out will be paid by all the new members who invest after they see how much money you're making."
As for unsubbing because of complaints about a webmaster that others have made, I simply don't do it...I believe the only time I've unsubbed is when the amount of payout wouldn't be reached in a reasonable time by the volume of mail they were sending ,or in the case of a couple of webmasters, I've unsubbed or put in a complaint to ptrboycott because of the posts by the WMs themselves...TDE in particular was one that I fought for, here and at getpaidfyi, until I took the time to actually read the webmasters' rants on all the forums. After seeing his attitude, I decided I'd been on the wrong side of the issue.
There are a few programs that've owed me money for a few months, but the webmasters are either funny or witty or just plain nice, so I stick around...not like the amount of money they owe me will enable me to change my life, right? Comes down to that, I tipped the pizza delivery guy more than the payout is on some of these sites, lol

personal info edited - don't do it any more

As this is a rant I will add in my 2 cents worth.

1. Personal info should remain private and if I see any of it on the forum I will edit it, everybody has the right to anonimity on the internet, within reason - obviously I would make an exception for Hannibal Lector (I've just finished reading all three books - Wow!) - and things have got way out of hand here lately. It stops now.

2. Stop trying to beat the word censor! Substituting i for y does not make it right!

Very good topic.
PTR is a hobby, fully agree.
Want to see it as a bit of money, fine: but pay members like any other busines (when it is a busines) at least once a month.
This will also avoid members going totally bonkers when a site suddenly disappears after they have clicked there for more than half a year and had $4,72 in the account (just below minimum payout of $5 or was it just raised to $25?).

However, people have the ability to think, but people have also the ability to be influenced and to influence. Sometimes with arguments, sometimes with lies. And that is wat bothers me. Because the internet community is for a large part anonymous, it seems some can say what they want (that is to be rude , use bad language, lie, promise what we want, cheat).
And that is what makes me uneasy.

For me it started as a hobby, but I was influenced by lies, scammers or maybe wishfull thinking of advertizers. I was brainwashed, did not know there were so many lies/scams/hacks/empty promises.
Joined nitroclicks (those who advertize it and know it is a scam are scammers themselves) after a month thought to have $150!
Stumbled accross the site "do you still read mail for pennies?" "join these programmes and be $250 richer in an hour" Yeh sign up bonus for cashread richmails and some of jay's. And the mails paid handsomely, I thought.
While earning hits at the hits-exchanges and reading well paid emails, I was further brainwashed, $1000 next week, 12% ROI guaranteed, one million hits without clicking, BOY was I happy with all these offers.........

Now I know a bit better. When I slowly developed a more critical attitude, found sites like gptboycott, experienced sites to go down (always the best paid ones) and remain down. Found this downline promises a bit over the top (find 5 refs, they will bring you 25 and they will Bring you 125). Nobody hints the first five might be totally inactive.
My first pay ever was from opt-in, 12 cents and it did make me feel GOOD (month 3 of my ptr career, maybe 25 dollors of electricity spent to run that computer so far)

It is hard. But I like it, don't know why.
It's a hobby, I guess.

hI , i also did the pennies for emails and I have to say, it has done me much more then without it. I tried the ptr buiseness years ago, with only 2 sites, and after a couple months I decided I wasnt getting any where and quit. I had sent the email to everyone in my adress book cause I didnt know about advertising and I had NO referals in any programs since getting the are you getting paid pennies for emails ``email`` I have joined a ton of programs and some definately arent worth it but many are! I have cashed out at some sites 2 to 3 times in the last 3 months (ex. gypsydad,wepaid,absolutelyfreemoney-wizzard-cents, granted that was only 36 cents but its new, ect) gypsydad was 30.00 then 20.00and 20.00 so that isnt really pocket change considering some sites I dont think the pennies for emails is a scam, I think it takes a lot of work to make the money and if you dont get a ot of referals you will not make enough to stay in them because then it would be .10 cents a month with some LOL and some I joined from that site turened out to be duds but hey , we all join some that are too good to be true or that just cant make it. So I myself liked that site (also like the dollar site cause in 3 days I have made 8.00 so far )
so is the 50.00 to 100.00 I am making a month worth the time and clicking? Yes for me itis because it keeps me busy and I have made a few friends and a little extra income so I am happy with it, of cource I would like to have made much more but then we have to see thru the glitz and just be happy that we have what we have. As for some of the higher pay out sites, I look at it this way, certain ones have been around a long time and I truely believe they will be for a long time to come and am going to stick with them (mikes,jays) if it takes me a year to cashout, hey in a year I have some BIG checks to collect and that will be awsome others will take 50 yrs and that just isnt worth it IMO cause they probably wont even be around then.
just my 2 cents, hope I havent offended any one, it wasnt my intention
have a great week all

Hello, I have one a couple of things to say, 1) Thank u cyber!! That was one ###### of a good rant... !!! 2) about WM.... I am one, a fully DEGREED Webmaster... What is the defination (yes I know that it is spelled wrong, I have a typo thing today...lol) Anyways, Webmaster doesn't mean to operate a PTRE or really any other site/program! It means to actually MAKE it run... just because one owns a PTRE or any other site doesn't make one a webmaster or programmer or anything of the sort! Yes true, most can simply add alittle HTML code, but usually its with a program like Dreamweaver or Frontpage, but what happens when the site goes down or something goes ape crazy and the entire site goes down and can't be accessed? The so called webmaster calls someone in to fix it... Well folks this is not being a webmaster, webmastering is Mastering the Web.... that is being a "program owner"! I actually go in and Fix my programs problems.... yes I do have to sometime call in someone to HELP me, but most of the time I have corrected it myself. It's something to know that While I went to collage and whatever and paid to learn what I know that others online can just pick up the Label "Webmaster" ... Now I'm not downing anyones use of anything, no matter what it is, but seriously, to us "Real Webmasters" it is sort of a bad rep that we get because of program owners that doesn't pay for their members time for clicks or whatever... Because that is NOT what webmasters are!
One last thing.... it is sooooo true, posting private info about others is something that isn't cool... I try NOT to do it... of course I make mistakes too... however, I see it this way, noone knows nothing about me that I don't want them to know... so whatever someone finds out about me online, great feel like u have done something, because honestly it's not that hard... because my info that I dont want anyone to know about isn't online to begin with.... ###### all someone would have to do is ask! If I want ya to know I shall tell ya otherwise I can promise that if I don't want it known it shant be.... I learned along time ago, loose lips does sink ships, I don't plan on one of those ships being one of mine!
With some here in the forum they have to for some strange reason fell that they have to butt into others affairs, can't they stand up for themselves? of course there isn't anything wrong with voicing your feelings or opinions about it or them, however, why should it be like "well so in so did that, and so I have to stand up for him/her..." This is crazy, stay out of the mess... I think that everyone that is an adult should act their age and NOT their shoe size~!

This is just my 2 cents!
Hyper

I agree cybertongue

I started joining ptr/c programs because of my friend who was/is doing them....It is only for 'a lil extra cash' I have seen alot of trashing on some sites and WM...and my thoughts on those is...If they don't like the site then why be a member?? Just write it off and yes voice your opinion if you feel you have to but try to be respectful about it.
If I've had a problem with a site I would email the WM and almost always got a responce (one site I don't). I guess it could be in the wording of the emails...speak with an attitude and get an attitude back basically.
I've seen ppl unsub just because other ppl were and my thoughts about that is 'tis their choice but I'm still gonna be a member or become a member if I like what I see.' There have been some sites that I have unsub to but not because others did...it was because I chose. Mainly lack of emails and only getting maybe 1 cent a month with a double digit payout.

Anyway...that's just my opinion on all the stuff....hope it made sense.

You're right BX, my bad, won't happen again!

I'd like to react to this part. (If I start with the rest it would be a way too long post to fit in here )

Earning pennies you say, yes this is probable so for the majority.

However some people do earn a couple of hunderds of dollars a month solely from get paid to read programs. To my knowledge these people who do earn a couple of hunderds a month have invested a lot of time and money (buying ads quite a lot, updating there websites, doing this regurarly can be time consuming even if it is solely changing some text if done often (ten times 10 minutes is time consuming imho)) and I am not talking about *webmasters* here, just people like PPPRK (before ppprk started her/his own gptr program), Wantumbucks and myself. There might be many others who make a couple of hunderds of dollars a month with gptr programs but obviously I don't know that of all people.

So what you are stating might be so for the majority of the people but not for all, my point is that you do not just unsubscribe from a gptr site where you have a couple of hunderd referrals and are making for example 30 or 40 dollar a month. And yes I am in a few where I make that amount. I invested a lot of money and time to achieve this and so I will not just unsubscribe.

However before I start to promote a certain site they have to satisfy to the following conditions:

1. They have to answer mail (in a normal adult manner)
2. They have to have paid members (not necessarly me)
3. They have to sent regular (daily a few mails or at least 5 or 6 days a week a few mails per day)
4. They have to be nice

Note: not particulary in that order!

So chances are that when I start to promote a certain site the webmaster will not all of sudden start with ridiculous rules or starts to be rude.

However every webmaster is, as you stated yourself that we all are, a person and each have their good and bad character traits with good and bad moods. And at times I am bit annoyed by things some webmasters say or do and that is where the part comes in *then you just quitte because it's pennies you're talking about.* No it's not! It took me a lot of time and (some) money to get those referrals, so saying just quitte is just a bit too easy for me.

Furthermore according to me you have to be very carefull saying "There is something seriously wrong with a person who makes PTR their full time job, unless they are a WM. The chances of getting paid actual "good money" (I'm talking hundreds of dollars here) for reading emails is slim to none yet people complain about being "scammed" by WMs. Get a life!"

Since I am sure that quite a lot of people who are doing this full time are in such awful positions (and I am not talking about money or mentally problems and nor do I mean solely people with physical problems either) that this so called get a life they are having on the internet makes them survive through the difficult times they are presently in. It helps them to go on and not to give up.

Just my two cents (and after typing this all I earned it hahahaha )

Have a wonderful day all,

Pos

[quote=Positive_thougths,May 15 2003, 11:09 PM][/QUOTE]
I'd like to react to this part. (If I start with the rest it would be a way too long post to fit in here )

Earning pennies you say, yes this is probable so for the majority.

However some people do earn a couple of hunderds of dollars a month solely from get paid to read programs. To my knowledge these people who do earn a couple of hunderds a month have invested a lot of time and money (buying ads quite a lot, updating there websites, doing this regurarly can be time consuming even if it is solely changing some text if done often (ten times 10 minutes is time consuming imho)) and I am not talking about *webmasters* here, just people like PPPRK (before ppprk started her/his own gptr program), Wantumbucks and myself. There might be many others who make a couple of hunderds of dollars a month with gptr programs but obviously I don't know that of all people.

So what you are stating might be so for the majority of the people but not for all, my point is that you do not just unsubscribe from a gptr site where you have a couple of hunderd referrals and are making for example 30 or 40 dollar a month. And yes I am in a few where I make that amount. I invested a lot of money and time to achieve this and so I will not just unsubscribe.

However before I start to promote a certain site they have to satisfy to the following conditions:

1. They have to answer mail (in a normal adult manner)
2. They have to have paid members (not necessarly me)
3. They have to sent regular (daily a few mails or at least 5 or 6 days a week a few mails per day)
4. They have to be nice

Note: not particulary in that order!

So chances are that when I start to promote a certain site the webmaster will not all of sudden start with ridiculous rules or starts to be rude.

However every webmaster is, as you stated yourself that we all are, a person and each have their good and bad character traits with good and bad moods. And at times I am bit annoyed by things some webmasters say or do and that is where the part comes in *then you just quitte because it's pennies you're talking about.* No it's not! It took me a lot of time and (some) money to get those referrals, so saying just quitte is just a bit too easy for me.

Furthermore according to me you have to be very carefull saying "There is something seriously wrong with a person who makes PTR their full time job, unless they are a WM. The chances of getting paid actual "good money" (I'm talking hundreds of dollars here) for reading emails is slim to none yet people complain about being "scammed" by WMs. Get a life!"

Since I am sure that quite a lot of people who are doing this full time are in such awful positions (and I am not talking about money or mentally problems and nor do I mean solely people with physical problems either) that this so called get a life they are having on the internet makes them survive through the difficult times they are presently in. It helps them to go on and not to give up.

Just my two cents (and after typing this all I earned it hahahaha )

Have a wonderful day all,

Pos [/quote]
stands up and applauds!!! Well said
I hope to some day earn like you building your downline and staying active and advertising is the key in my opinion, and I do believe with a lot of hard work you CAN achieve this without being a w/m (at least I hope so) And since i have been very active in the past few months I have noticed a great improvement in my earnings.

I am glad you approve :-)

Stay with the good programs and the nice webmasters/mistress' that's one step in the good direction imho.

Better 40 good programs than 200 average, saves you time to do other things and money too since you have to promote less programs.

I started with one at a time with a certain goal in my mind ( a certain amount of referrals on level 1) when things go well you can increase either the amount of programs you promote (to keep that amount or better increase it) or just continue with promoting one single one, although the latter I would not recommend since a webmaster might take ill (God forbid) and then there you are with 500 referrals in level one earning zilch :| so better a few....or if possible all the programs your a member of. Again 200 average will not make you earn more than 40 (or less) good ones according to me.

Have a wonderful day,

Pos

Hi,

You're right Pos, for me too, the webmaster running the site is the key of the success of that site .. I generally join sites where the webmaster seems to be a good one ... sometimes I slip and thought it would be a good one and it appears to be a rude unefficient one but generally, I find very nice and helpful webmasters .. and the ones I really really like are the ones who make me smile when I read their mails ;-)

And you're right again, the 'get a life' sentence is probably often used in very unappropriate circumstances.

Doei

Sophie

thank you for the advice have a great night

Wow, Cybertongue, you said it beautifully. I think we need to switch ID names though usually it is the Tiger that roars. I give you 2 big thumbs up. As far as personal info and name calling, that should definitely stop.

Tigress

Thanks Sophieca, about the latter yes I think it hurts a lot of people whom are hurt enough as it is

ruhappytoseeme You're very welcome I hope it'll help

Have a great night too ruhappytoseeme

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