I have been told that they delete accounts of people with large downlines, because they don`t want to pay, but I didn`t believe until this happened to me too.

I was paid the first time and by second request I waited about 4 weeks until I got an email from them telling me that they have deleted my account because they found some cheaters in my downline. I answered that they must delete the accounts of the cheaters , not mine, and if I have more then 200 members in my downline, is possible that there are some cheaters there too.

I wrote them some more emails , but still no reply and they didn`t restore my account. I have more them $14 there.

they dont allow chinese members

I think I read somewhere that they will pay Chinese members that close to payout.
I already reached payout, and redeemed, waiting for response.

you have to ask for permission....

I asked and they said I can stay... I think you'll still get paid...

I wouldn't know... I have no referrals and have 3 dollars including the signup bonus...

same goes to me my downlines deleted when i near my payout i email the WM the reply was:

Hello,
It would appear that the reason that your numbers are lower is due to deletion of accounts credited to your downline. Deletions happen due to Incomplete Member information 10 days after we request that it be updated, fraudulent accounts, multiple accounts, same household, signups from India, China or Pakistan or for any other reason that an account is in violation of our TOS.

1) members information not completed within 10days i joint GL in downline builder long time ago if my downline info will be incompleted should be deleted long time ago

2)dont tell me all my downline are from those countries

now even of 1 my downline had response on the support folder yet to be response why the deletion. oops the support folder threads all been cleared?

the thing upset me was the WM just simply reply me without any real investiage..

Is it written anywhere that they don't allow Chinese members?

Or is it that they don't allow people from China?

Will has posted in another post, give me a moment and I'll edit this post with the link

He doesnt allow members from China or India

totally agree,we jioned before he change term!simply scam,I put it in my current Signature is to let everyone know

There is another thread to complain of it

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=2&t=45139&hl=

This is from here:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...t=30&hl=chinese

Sunset you have already been proven to be a scammer. Do you want the link to this, this has been confirmed, here we are:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=2&t=48160&hl=

If you scroll down in that thread you will find the information needed.

some of my downline still active even response on my other thread ....

downline are
samideng & progambler35(from referral exchange folder)
verlaine,
homeincome,
Chomicz
chamberofweed


progambler35 replied to me still active account not deleted so i only left with 1 in level one

but samideng also response to me he active but dont know why his account deleted for nothing he had post a few time in the support folder yet to receive any response


Chomicz also responsed

but i not sure if those my downlines responsed are from those not allow countries

with referrence

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...hl=twelfth&st=0

Jaikula:You are the scam!the son of greenletter(not dog)


let's see it

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...2&t=48160&st=15

I reply this thread for a long time

But to the main issue.

I have a large downline as well and have been paid out effectly twice, once to my paypal account, the other as a Gold membership payment

But give Will a chance to reply, the main server that Greenletter and many other sites were on was down, the server itself had an issue. So any emails sent within the last 48 hours will either still sitting there or may even need resending.

I have well over 200 in my downline, some might be cheaters I dont know. I certainly know Will wouldnt have deleted you for having cheaters in his downline, he wouldnt so something like that.

Sunset you chinese cheat, I am not even the son of Will, considering I live in Australia, have a completely different last name to Will.

Oh, and I have news for you. Hyper is the liar and fraud so posting that link wont help you. I have since been in touch with Paymerightnowadmin and she will most probably be posting in that link sometime soon on that matter.

As to your account still being there, lets see your stats now, then we'll have him search for it again. I'll make sure he receives other information on you again.


PS: Give us a screenshot. You do that by hitting your 'print screen' button, then opening a program like mspaint and pasting it in there, then you save it as a gif file and then host it so it can be seen here.

Jaikula:you Australia Scammer,if you not the son and not the dog of greenletter,and not have the evidence,do not cry at this thread for greenletter

I have met the same question
I have over 10$ in my account
now my account has been deleted

Poor sunset, why do I say poor sunset, because it's the ones that get caught cheating that yell the loudest.

Greenletter has deleted you from both Greenletter and Mailfest, if you still have an account there it is because he hasnt found it yet. But I am sure when he does he will post quite a bite more than just that he deleted you.

That's no problem,i met a lot of scammer,I can live with it well,but you can not stop me to tell everyone


at last,I tell you a thing,you looks so disgusting like a australia rascal

lol

this is the funniest thread ive ever read

heres a thought soon no chinese or indian members will be allowed in any ptr

why because atleat 1-5 ptr per week have implemented a no chinese indian ban, why because generally thats where the scammers come from

dont call someone a scammer because they choose to cut thier liabilities

if thats true what do you call basically every company in the world over the last 5 years

are they all scammers due to implementing tactics to impove effiecency and decreases losses

Responses from GreenLetter:

1) Twelth - you are aware of the problems in your downline - we do not simply delete accounts for fun. I need as many accounts as possible for my advertisers - you know that. I have responded to you. I will not feed your fire and respond again. Yes, it's tough to lose due to problems in your downline, it's also the way it is. We cannot pay members in violation of our TOS.

2.) Sunset - you should be BANNED from this forum - you are the worst representation of your country, and it is BECAUSE of members like you that we no longer accept members from your country. You are the WORST kind of scammer.

Due to the actions of Sunset and people like this, the following will be our policy towards members found in violation of our TOS that come from India, China or Pakistan (BANNED countries).

When we find a member who is from China, India or Pakistan in our member base, we will terminate their account immediately, and any earnings found in their account will be pooled for donation to the American Red Cross for releif efforts in Iraq. Monies will not be paid to the members themselves as they are clearly in violation of out terms of service. Any clicks made by members from these countries will be considered as donations to the American Red Cross.

We will make receipts of donations available on the website as the practice continues.

This is my final response on this issue. We do not cheat anyone, we have NO reason to.

WILL
GreenLetter.com

I'm not from any banned country. I'm from Poland and all my personal info is correctly filled

Dear GreenLatter

Please tell my now do you delete my account? I am member of many programs and I have no time spent to scamm program.

My ID is hh33@net.hr in GreenLatter (0 referrals) and in MailFest (40 or 50 referrals).

Thanks

Tapir,
Your personal information is incorrect. Correct it and there will be no problem with your account if it is within our TOS. You are NOT from Croatia.

Oh - and you have 1 direct referral in MailFest - please don't lie.

I am a little confused after reading so many arguments in this thread.
If sunset is deleted only dut to his country, why others from different countries
also complain?
Who on earth is honest? As a newbie, It is really hard to tell which program is
worth joining?

PS: before I complete this post, greenletter posted a new.

sorry GL i not firing at u, coz some of my downline already responsed to me informed that they didnt break any TOS.

I hope that greenletter isn't scam.
i have some refs here and will reach payout soon.
Do not want that they delete my account.

clicking and clicking everyday, then I was told my account was delete--


anyway, I really hope greenletter donate the money in my account to international red cross. ( I remembe it's over 5$)

BTW, strongly suggest all WB consider carefully before you launch a new program if chiese is allowed or not since you all think there are a lot cheaters in china but not change TOS. this will make honest member angery also.

Scams do not payout over 1,000+ USD to members every month - every month. GreenLetter is solid as a rock. We REMOVE scammers from our program. See what happens when 1 or 2 people get mad at a program? Suddenly everyone wonders.

If you have any questions about GreenLetter you can email me direct at webmaster@greenletter.com .

WILL

Agree with you Will,
But you should know that all wants to be guaranteed
that they will get payment.

Hello again Greenletter.
Just wonder how about my a/c.

Well i am shcoked i click about 1 link a day at green letter i had a massive downline and had about $14 in my account (but not yet reached the $1 personal click through yet)

Well i notice a few days ago i hadnt recieved any emails so i go to login and what do i find NO ACCOUNT

I was very shocked as i had helped Will the other day and this is my repayment well thanx very much


Thanx chriscool

Now that you mentio this, I want to put my two cents. My Mailfest account was deleted I thought it was hacker because that days I entered some info on a fake Paypal mail, I use several passwords for my different programs but I don't have a unique one for each one, the unique account I lost was the Mailfest account where I had 27 direct referrals and I had some banners here and there promoting it.

Here is part of the mail history (it's a bit long). You have read backwards, from bottom to top. Meesages in black letter are Will's messages, all other color are mines.

__________________



----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: webmaster@mailfest.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:40 PM
Subject: 1714 (Mailing address + country)


Hello Will,

Could you do somehing with the information I supplied in the last mail?, I'm still hoping on that. Please let me know if you need any further information,

Sincerely,
Carlos Ortega.


----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: Webmaster
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: 1714 (Mailing address + country)


Hi Will,

My mailing address is: Edif. El Recreo, piso 2, apto 21, Urb. El Recreo, Av. Bolivar Norte.
City: Valencia
State: Carabobo
ZIP Code: 2001
Country: Venezuela.

If you need any further information/detail please don't doubt on asking it.

Sincerely,
Carlos Ortega.


----- Original Message -----
From: Webmaster
To: elpropa026@hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: 1714


Hello Carlos,
Please respond with your correct mailing address and country.

Thanks for Your Email,
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Will H.
Webmaster,
GreenLetter.com
MailFest.com

PLEASE INCLUDE A COPY OF THIS >>ENTIRE<< EMAIL WITH YOUR RESPONSE IF REQUIRED. THANK YOU!
-------Original Message-------

From: Carlos Ortega
Date: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:07:56 PM
To: webmaster@mailfest.com
Subject: 1714

Hello again Will,

I truly wouldn't be bothering you if it wasn't so important so important for me to recover my account, I signed early at Mailfest and tried to promote as much as I could, I redeemed a few campaigns promoting mailfest just to be in this situation now. I will apreciate a lot if you hit me back or if we may chat, I'm sure my upline will help us because he's a very kind person. On the other hand I'm still wondering if my account is not gone but just changed the email, that's why put 1714 on the subject of this mail I guess you can check if that ID still exists because that's mine. Please hit me back,

Sincerely,
Carlos Ortega.


----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: webmaster@mailfest.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: My lost account


Hello Will,

Any news on the trace to help me recover my account?, did you talk to my upline?, please hit me back

Carlos Ortega.


----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: webmaster@mailfest.com
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Please hit me back


Hello again Will,

I've thinking that maybe the hacker didn't actually deleted my account but changed the email address, so I was thinking if you can check the ID number 1714 (that's my ID to refer new members) cuz maybe it's not deleted but information has been changed. I noticed yesterday that my webewebin and clickincash weren't actually deleted and start to think about it and after a few minutes understood that it's impossible that the Paypal password I provided on the fake would be the reason because when I tried to login after that and requested password because couldn't I noticed the change on the password and change it again so after that it was impossible for that hacker to access my account, I have no idea how anyone could find out my new password after changing it. Please check that ID (1714) and hit me back,

Sincerely,
Carlos Ortega.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: Webmaster
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Please hit me back


Hello,

Well the hacker wasn't your fault, actually it was mine, I received an Email (I wrote them several times and tried to open an account using my ex-fiance address in Mexico, because I live in Venezuela) from them, and didn't notice it was a fake email, so I ingeniously provided my login and password (same as mailfest) after noticing it was a fake email I changed the few websites using that same password but unfortunately I missed (forget) changing the Mailfest password, so to be honest it was totally my fault, I even lost my webewebin and clickincash (I forgot those two ones too).

I have no idea of people in my downline cause I got them by a few ad campaigns that I ran, but I do have my referral URL cause I signed thru the Referral Exchange folder at GPF, it is: http://www.mailfest.com/paidmail/site/inde....php?refid=1008, you can ask my upline, his name is Danny, and he will tell you I signed up under him about three weeks ago. My ID was 1714, so my downline will have, of course, a bigger number

I still have the welcome email too, if it helps just let me know and I'll send it to you. Again, thanks for your time and attention.

Sincerely,
Carlos Ortega.
----- Original Message -----
From: Webmaster
To: elpropa026@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Please hit me back


Hello,
As of this very moment, we are unable to find a trace of your account. Do you know any of the email addresses in your downline? Perhaps we can go from the bottom up instead of trying to find from the top down? I've done the best I can so far. Do you have someone that really does not like you - I dont know how they could have hacked our syyem - it's very secure. Anyway, please send any information that you can.

Thanks for Your Email,
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Will H.
Webmaster,
GreenLetter.com
MailFest.com

PLEASE INCLUDE A COPY OF THIS >>ENTIRE<< EMAIL WITH YOUR RESPONSE IF REQUIRED. THANK YOU!
-------Original Message-------

From: Carlos Ortega
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:33:43 PM
To: Webmaster
Subject: Please hit me back

Hello once again Will,

Well, it has been a week for now since the hacker deleted my account, five days since I wrote you the first time, almost two since the last mail, and a total of four emails. I will truly apreciate if you drop me a single line telling me if my account is just gone or you're able to get it back to me. I'm really feeling I'm being ignored by now but I really did promote my mailfest account, in fact I still have some left PTC Mailfest banners out there, and that 27 referrals that I got costed my money. I don't know what to do, because you answered my first two mails, but last one was over four and half days ago asking me some time, I honestly think that four is time enough to investigate my case and/or give an answer.

Carlos Ortega.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Ortega
To: Webmaster
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Needing help


Hello again Will,

It has been 5 days since my account was deleted by the hacker (also noticed he/she also deleted my webewebin and clickincash acocunts) and I'm still wondering if you can/will something about or if I just lost my account, I'd like to know anything regarding the issue, you asked me some time, it has been about three days since I was told that. I sincerely would apreciate of you help me get my account bank (and my referrals and earnings of course).

Regards,
Carlos Ortega.

_____________________________________
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----- Original Message -----
From: Webmaster
To: elpropa026@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Needing help


Hello,
We are looking into this for you - please give us some time.

Thanks for Your Email,
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Will H.
Webmaster,
GreenLetter.com
MailFest.com

PLEASE INCLUDE A COPY OF THIS >>ENTIRE<< EMAIL WITH YOUR RESPONSE IF REQUIRED. THANK YOU!
-------Original Message-------

From: Carlos Ortega
Date: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:58:37 AM
To: webmaster@mailfest.com
Subject: Needing help

Hello Mailfest support,

I've writen you three times cause someone two days ago changed my password and then yesterday, after I requested it and changed again to a new one, deleted it so now I lost my account, I'd really apreciate if you help recover my account. As I said my username is cortega26 and id number is 1714, I had 27 direct referrals on my account. Please let me know if there something you can do for me, once again thanks for your time and attention,

Carlos Ortega.

Ps: there should be a way to protect people's account, like sending an unsuscribing confirmation mail as you do when someone is signing up to activate/confirm his/her account.

Hi GreenLetter

My account on MailFest was deleted . My info is corect and im not from the banned country . I has 10 direct refs and about 60 indirect .

This is the first time that my account was deleted from any program

Please check this and tell me the reason that my account was deleted .

Thanks

Hristo

Jaikula,

You don`t believe me, Will deleted my account because of cheaters in my downline? Well here is the proof. This are the emails I got from Will below


Due to the large number of Fraudulent account in your downline, your account at GreenLetter has been cancelled. Please to not attempt to signup for a membership account with us again. We have a zero tolerance policy for obvious fraud.


Thanks for Your Email,
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Will H.
Webmaster,
GreenLetter.com
MailFest.com



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If you have found cheaters in my downline, you must delete their accounts, not mine. I have worked your program honestly and get a big downline thanks my promoting efforts. I am not responsible for my downline members, can not control them and can never be sure if they are cheating or not. So there is no reason to delete my account. If the only reason you have deleted my account is this way you don`t need to pay me, I will assure you that I will report your program as spam.

I hope you will revise your decission and restore my account.

Thanks.

Hello Will,

I have never obviously created a false downline, you can check it.
If there are some cheaters in my downline, as you told me, please delete their accounts, but restore mine, because I still can`t login. I have promoted long enough greenletter, because I was the opinion it is a good program and I don`t want to lose my account, if some cheaters joined under me and make you trouble.

I hope you can solve this problem.

Thank you.

Sincerely,







Hello,
This only applies to members who have obviously created a false downline - if you have an honest downline and there are some cheaters in it, you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for Your Email,
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Will H.
Webmaster,
GreenLetter.com
MailFest.com

Additionally I am not from China, India

Concerning Mailfest, I have had a downline of more than 250 people there, now I have only 14 (1 level) , 5 (2 level) , 2 (3 level).

If you would like to think that I delete accounts for no reason feel free. The fact is I DO not, HAVE not and WILL not delete an account for no reason. When 90% of your entire downline has names like zzlmmm and adresses that make NO sense, they are deleted, and if you do not respond to our requests as to why that is the case, your account is deleted.

WILL

Hristo,
Your account was removed for 6 email bounces, including one informing you that the next bounced email will result in the cancellation of your account. We cannot have bouncing emails - it clogs our inbox.

You sent me and email that says:

"Hi

Im a basketball coach and i has a national competition . I was out of town for 5 days and that is the reason for my full maibox ."

We cannot be held responsible for your full mailbox, and you did not notify us that you would be away.

If you would like to rejoin, you can - and perhaps I can do something for you with your new account, but you need to deal with me directly - not in a forum atmosphere. Your account is a private matter between you and our program.

Regards
GREENLETTER

Fannod,
If you lost 250 people in MAILFEST, that would amaze me. The ONLY people removed from MailFest so far have been people with bounced emails. We have not audited downlines yet - so I would suggest you contact webmaster@mailfest.com with any information relating to that issue.

MAILFEST

I am not hope to recover my account from will,I only want to say the fact,I am so sad and adversity ....

lol

you call names are rude and label everyone a scammer

lol

your right you have no chance of getting your account back

GREENLETTER,

I have of course reply to your email with an explanation and now I want to tell you following:

1. Cheaters in my downline - I don`t know personaly the people who signed up under me. I can`t see if they are cheaters and signed up with ffss or similar, because I am not the webmaster of GreenLetter and I am not a hacker too, so I have no access to their accounts. Or may be you can see the members of your downlines at other GPTR programs, where you are not the webmaster? So I can`t tell you who the cheaters are, why are there cheaters in my downline and so on.. Additionally I am NOT responsible for those members!!

2. Activity of my downline members - If it is thruh that many of my downline members are cheaters and inactive, so can you please tell me why they have earned me so much? I have seen increases in my referral earnings every day, so I could have cashout at least 2 times /month. Remember I have cashout in March and at April 03, 2003 I have had already more than $15 in my account , so I requested payment again.

3. I am not from the banned countries (India, Pakistan and China), I have filled correctly my account information, my email was never bouncing, I was very active reading emails and clicking at the PTC section and I have never violate any rules.

WHAT GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DELETE MY ACCOUNT???

I have asked you to delete the cheaters in my downline, but WHY me???

Is it possible that the only REASON was , that you have seen that you must pay me at least $16/month???

I am asking you kindly again to recover my account.

This theard costs me much time to read through .

and totally confused about it.

My downlines at MailFest and GreenLetter are a modest:
Tier 1:(16 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(24 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(5 Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(0 Total Referrals)
and
Tier 1:(21 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(22 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(10 Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(2 Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(0 Total Referrals)
Tier 6:( Total Referrals)
Tier 7:( Total Referrals)

I have been a member at MailFest since the beginning and a member at GreenLetter since about Jan. 2003. I have found Will to be nothing but FANTASTIC, helpful, and caring. My downline numbers have changed. Increased and decreased over time. But this is normal activity at any GPT program that anyone would be a member of. I am sorry for the legitimate problems some may be having with your accounts, but let's keep it "friendly" huh? Will only has two hands after all. Between the two sites he has over 1000 members to provide for. Just because you want an answer to something (anything really) doesn't mean you are the only one with a question or a problem. Stop being so narrow minded and give the guy a chance. The more time he has to take reading your emails the more time gets wasted getting to a resolution and/or a reply.

Happy Clicking!

Hi,
Thanks Casper - actually, between the 2 sites I have over 13,000 members to care for. I'm doing the best I can. If people posting here would email me directly they will get a better faster response.

If you are due $16 a month - that's GREAT - I love to pay members, it means I'm making money too - think about that...

WILL