1 Heluva and Srock ship sunk
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/1Heluva/1heluvascam.htm

Don't drop the soap, Fred!
LMGDFAO

I have been trying to tell someone that got me started in paid programs that this place is a scam but never got a reply so this time I sent a link to the whole forum! Thanks for sharing this



P.s. I still cannot believe all(many) of the honest programs are still promoting his site!

it's about time something was done about this scam

I too joined them and soon realized before I sent them more money that there was no way to recoop. Especially when they changed to viewing 3,000 pages a month.

Yes they are sinking faster than the Titanic - hope their next condo has bars on the windows. The money they took in as investments - which they later changed to purchases with no possibility of return is disappearing on a daily basis - ranging from a few hundred - to several thousand. I hope that people hired by Cindi Kirst can make them pay for what they have stolen. I too cannot see why honest, decently run programs would either advertise with them or for them

I am wondering so much.
For 2 months you get less then 1% on your investment, so already 2 months ago it was dead meat. I stopped advertizing them, because well, the 12% they were still promising (**guaranteed!!**) were not true.
But now, people are still putting money in. (out of sheer curiosity i still open the site once a day to see whats going on) Not only new members who do not know, even people who are a member for more than 4 months are putting money in, sometimes 100s of dollars. How can that be? That money is gone for sure, isn't it?
Why are people still putting money in??????????

If You are In 1 Heluva Give Your Name for Redistribution if Money is given Back


Click On Bill E Branscum Posts

OK, look at this (copy and paste taken just a minute ago)

********************************************

Their most recent purchase of $10.00 raises Total Active Purchases to $1,971,788.75!
This Month's Sales: $0

Every purchase increases everybody's Rebate!

Why not purchase more Premium Services yourself and start earning an even higher monthly Rebate yourself?!!
***************************************

So, someone purchased $10.00 but this month's sales are $0.00?

(scratching head...trying to understand)

From what I understand, all of Fred's fees are covered first then the rest is paid to the members. Of course I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

Thats because the have not met their "server fees" for today which they say is 140.00. So each day unless they get 140.00 it will stay at zero. Also since I don't believe that they have reached 140.00 any day this month, they are running at a deficit. So if they ever get more than 140.00 on any single day, you can bet that that excess will go towards those days that they were short.

yaaaay i hate 1heluva.

i can't remember why but i remember hating it a month or 2 ago probably payout or something

I was asked to join this a while back and it never seemed right to me, I too am glad it is gone

wow. Glad I never joined, had a bad feeling about it.

Not yet, but the fish are in the water, and there are more in the tubes.

who cares


really are people that stupid not to read and make informed decisions before they join a program or is everyone so money hungry that they dont care

1Heluva Scam
By: Bill E. Branscum
Copyright 2003

Investigator Brian Ingram's opinion of www.ClickityCash.com and www.1heluva.com

My name is Brian Ingram, owner of Consulting Investigation Services, a Texas licensed investigative agency. I have been investigating Internet Fraud since 1996 and I have been and continue to be a recognized expert in Internet Investigation concerning fraud.


ClickityCash.com and 1Heluva.com are two sites with the same information and promoting the same system owned by the same person. This person, Fred Srock, also owns Career-Pro.com, autolinkpro.com, Bubblebucks.com and LuckyBuckylinks.com. I've not dug any deeper as these will suffice for my purposes.

Bubblebucks.com: This site promotes a classic pyramid scheme whereby the incoming members fees pay the upper levels. Srock even says this in the FAQ page explaining the system. IN this scheme we have the added attraction that the money supposedly paid out is e-Gold. eGold is an Internet payment system that is transactional ONLY with other e-Gold account holders and can be used to purchase goods or services but ONLY from other e-Gold account holders. So, you buy INTO the system with your hard earned cash but you can only be paid once enough people buy in under you to burst the bubble. The bubble can only be burst once the bubble contains enough cash to PAY for the PREVIOUS bubble. In effect, you are paying for money paid to previous entrants and you are paid by the people under you and the bubble will keep growing and growing until there is a negative cash flow because there will be a time when the incoming members won't be able to support the previous bubble. AND, if you get in this thing and do somehow get paid a little, it is the form of a currency that can ONLY be spent with certain companies that accept that form of payment.

AutolinkPro: Well, if you believe you are going to actually make a profit from submitting links then I've got land in the Everglades I want to sell you. I've looked briefly at this site, tried to understand just exactly what it is they are selling and I can't make heads or tails of it. This one as well as the others needs to be submitted to the local FBI for examination to determine if they are violations of Federal law and Virginia law.

1Heluva.com and CicktyCash.com appear to be sites that contain a progressive rebate scheme whereby a person is supposed to make money by simply clicking links to members pages. Problem is, they tell you that only when you purchase the premium plan do you actually get into a formula that will pay you a rebate on your purchases and a rebate on the purchases of the people you sponsor into the paid plan. In effect, another pyramid scheme that doesn't appear to actually sell any good or service that has a legitimate chance of standing on its own financial legs but rather depends on the contact influx of new paying members in order to pay out the previous member's rebates. This is classic pyramiding at its best and Srock is a master of the fast talking, flim-flam using terms even this experienced Internet Investigator was scratching his head over wondering just what the man really meant. A clue for anyone thinking of joining, if you have to work to understand what the site is selling and what it is doing, then something is wrong.

Now let's look at a small slice of Srock's past make money fast schemes. In 1995 Srock was promoting the Multi Level Marketing plan for an ISP called PowerNet while using CompuServe for his own Internet Access. I quote Mr. Srock below:

"But the provision of Internet Services is really just an excuse to get everybody to pay monthly fees on which everybody else makes commission - a LOT OF COMMISSION!"

Here Srock admits himself that the payment of commission is DEPENDENT upon more people buying into the scheme. This is a classic pyramid scheme, plain and simple. But this was not the most colorful scheme, no not by a long shot.

Let's look at how Srock took a chili recipe and promoted it as a $64,000,000 secret method of making cash. Yep, you read that right, he actually attempted a MLM scheme using recipes for Cincinnati Chile.

It is my professional opinion that ALL of the above information should be submitted to the appropriate law enforcement agencies so that a more in depth examination of this businesses can be made. It would take a team of the five best experts I know, at least a month of non-stop work to fully digest the depth of the schemes this person is involved with.

Brian K. Ingram
Owner
Consulting Investigation Services.

c/p
IN this scheme we have the added attraction that the money supposedly paid out is e-Gold. eGold is an Internet payment system that is transactional ONLY with other e-Gold account holders and can be used to purchase goods or services but ONLY from other e-Gold account holders.
end c/p

Not to sure who Brian K Ingram is but someone might tell him that I transfer my e-gold to moneybookers and then transfer that to my bankaccount in real cash ..and it costs me less than cashing out a check written in US$ and having to be exchanged in EURO at the bank here ;-)

Me not defending or accusing anyone but if the entire investigation is done like that ... hmmmmm

Yeah Sophie, that was my first thought too....that he didn't bother learning what e-gold was very well.

I don't use moneybookers, but I can have e-gold converted to AU$ in about 12 hours...

ROFL Thanatos, me thinks you're missing the point ;-)

What we posted about e-gold was humour or sarcasm or whatever because this Mr. Investigator didn't show us anything new and was a bit misleading with that e-gold thing ;-)

About Fred's sites, everyone reading TOS and FAQ knew it was risky, investing money in every 'game' on the internet is risky, people should know that without others to tell them because they know what is good for them .....

Sophie

omg ... those are quick and efficient workers *g* ... or they have a real bad stomach ;-)

And about e-gold, yes is correct but insinuating you can't do anything with it .. well, that was the impression I had ;-)

The e-gold issue is irrelevant. that was this one person's opinion. The real issue is Fred has schemed and scamed people out of money with the 1Heluva ruse. And some people's feeble attempts to try and cloud that issue will not succeed.

We don't try to cloud anything ROFL ... it's just that it's a non-news .. some threads have even been transferred to chitchat because it has been talken about over and over ... it was just an attempt to make this one a bit different than the other threads where you had the pro Fred versus the ContraFred in a huge never ending fight ... or ending in unnecessary and not really constructive insults ...

so if fred and his programs are scam, is anyone sueing him? i mean there has been so much controversy over his programs but he is still operating today.

LMAO - are those registered Parties - ProFred and ContraFred!! LMAO!!!

Well, the whole mlm/pyramid/whatever thing isn't new. And people will keep doing it.

It's terrible that people buy into it - I joined 1heluva just to see and of course made no money, but I knew what I was doing. I lose my butt whenever I do stuff like that. Oh well.

The problem I have with this scam is the tactics Fred used to get people's money. It was first called an investment then changed to purchases. By using the term investment it conjured up the perception that it was what is promoted as. However Fred has no credentials or license to be promoting investments hence the SEC FTC are being made aware of it. But people can debate here and other forums all they like but the final disposition of this I believe will belong to the government.

It seems some of you are having quite a good laugh over this issue. Humorous I find it to be not, but then that be me. Many people have been hurt by this game which 1heluva.com did implement and others, seeing it still to be there, daring to follow blindly the path Fred Srock has now set.

You think your voices have not been heard? You are sadly mistaken, for hear them, along with the comments and suggestions herein made, the investigators have. You have the ability to change things folks and to make this internet world not only a better, but possibly a safer place for the people who might just care to follow in your footsteps.

The website page in question has now been revised, partly because of the things said herein and partly because I, as an individual, took the time to write. Interesting this web page be now, wouldn't you say?

1Heluva Scam
By: Bill E. Branscum
Copyright 2003

Investigator Brian Ingram's opinion of www.ClickityCash.com and www.1heluva.com

I am Brian K. Ingram, owner and founder of Consulting Investigation Services, a Private Investigations company duly licensed by the State of Texas.
I have been specializing in and investigating Internet Crime and Fraud since 1996 and am a recognized expert in the field, both nationally and internationally.
I invented and teach most of the modern methodologies used in Email Tracing and Internet Profiling that are in use today.


I was asked by Bill E. Branscum of Oracle International to consult on a case in which Fred Srock markets and sells an MLM enterprise known as 1Heluva.com. I learned in my investigation that Srock also owns ClickityCash, BubbleBucks.com and AutoLinksPro. All of these sites have one thing in common; they are all rip offs designed to take your money and make Srock rich while not paying anything near what is advertised.

Let's look at a history of Srock first:
In 2001 Srock claimed to be the VPP (whatever that is) of a company called 3 Step Marketing. 3 Step Marketing is another MLM site based in Canada. Srock, in this ad he placed in a Usenet Group, was advertising for a Computer Programmer to work developing a new site. (remember this because it will be relevant later)

In 1995 Srock promoted an MLM scheme in which customers were paid commissions based on how many ISP subscribers they could get to join the scheme to promote PowerNet. This one soon went out the window and in a quote from Srock himself:
"But the provision of Internet Services is really just an excuse
to get everybody to pay monthly fees on which everybody else
makes commission - a LOT OF COMMISSION
This promotion was done using a CompuServe account. I guess Srock didn't believe in the product he was promoting!

Srock, in the same year, tried to convince millions that they could get rich selling a chili recipe called Cincinnati Chili. This one he touted as the $64 Million Secret and explained that a person could make tons of cash by reselling recipes and getting others underneath them to resell them too. Sounds kind of stupid, but I'm sure some folks bought into it. Funny thing is, I've read the recipe he posted to the Internet, so if he posted it out there where anyone could find it, why would it then have a commercial value if I can get it for free? Makes you stop and wonder doesn't it? The worst thing of all in this scam, was that the recipe called for Kidney Beans to be in the chili! Aghast are you? Well me too. Every self respecting Texan, where chili was invented by the way, will tell you there AIN'T NO BEANS IN CHILI!

Oh, so now on with the show.
BubbleBucks.com. Lets first look at the history of this domain. IN 2000 this domain was owned by:
Elliott Middleton, Ph.D and was a site dedicated to explaining the economic situation of the times using the term bubblebucks to describe the over-inflated value of the market and dollar. I don't know from the cursory research I have done, if Middleton was ever associated with Srock, but his archived version of Bubblybucks.com doesn't look or feel anything like the current version. The domain of BubbleBucks.com was bought by Srock on 17 Feb. 2003, at least from domain registration records that is the date. The new site promotes the a "money bubble" in which a person buys into the bubble with their money in the form of e-Gold and once the bubble UNDERNEATH their bubble has enough cash in it to pay the PREVIOUS bubble, that bubble bursts and everyone supposedly gets paid. Notice, that on that site's faqs page, Srock clearly states that the payment of one bubble is dependent on the bubble underneath it taking in enough money to pay for the previous. There is NO product, NO service, just an elaborately worded pyramid scheme designed to take your money. Oh, the kicker, the ADMINSTRATIVE costs that Srock takes to pay himself and for his bandwidth on the Internet. In one of his sites, he claimed this bill was $4100 per month.

So, bubblebucks doesn't sound like a good idea? It gets even better. Payment is made in the form of e-Gold. e-Gold is an online currency based on gold bullion in some vault,somewhere in which you give money to a broker and you supposedly get ownership in a certain amount of gold bullion. When BubbleBucks.com does pay you, it is in the form of e-Gold transfers. Try going to the grocery store and giving them an e-Gold card for your purchase. Won't work!

AutoLinksPro. Ok, so you buy into premium services and begin to submit links. If you can make heads or tails of the payment calculator then please someone explain it to me in English and not Swahili because Srock has outdone himself with that one. Submit your link and other people in your downline submit links and if anyone purchases anything from Srock using your referrer code, then you get points worth about .004 of a cent or some such formula like that. Wow, people are actually investing in this stuff.

BizzOpp.com, an Internet Marketing review site has AutolinksPro rated as a 5 on a scale of 10. Srock's other endeavor, BubbleBucks has a 1 and so does ClickityCash and 1heluva.com.
Kind of low rankings for something that the referrers are advertising will give a 600% Return on Investment in the first year.

Folks, NOTHING gives you a 600% return on investment in the first year except spending time with your kids, period!

1Heluva.com: Ok, so now to the meat and potatoes. Srock was having a hard time with ClickityCash so he reincarnated it as 1Heluva.com. The payouts and complaints to him about clickitycash must have gotten to the point where he needed a fresh influx of cash to pay off the previous investors. Hey wait a minute, doesn't that sound like a Ponzi Scam? Hmmmm, well you'd be right.

One former member of 1heluva.com, Brian from Liverpool, England, writes on his site, "this thing has turned into a pear, don't believe anything I wrote before and stay away from this one..."

1heluva is a progressive rebate scam in which a person is supposedly paid for clicking on other members web-sites. My question is this: Where does the money come from to pay the rebates? If you only get paid if you click and the people that you are clicking on are also members that have paid to click, this thing is a vicious circle, a closed loop that depends on an ever constant influx of members, paying for premium services to actually pay out the rebates. It cannot support itself without fresh investors and money. That, is a ponzi scam and Srock is a master at the fast talking, flim flam selling and down right con man of the highest order.

I could go on and on, but I believe this will suffice. I have NOT seen ONE endeavor that Srock is involved with, with the exception of the Resume Writing service he seems to have started with, that even MIGHT be legal and legitimate.

Oh, remember the ad for a computer programmer? Well on one of his many sites, he has a FAQ's section and one of the questions is, "where did this program come from...?" Srock answers that by saying that it came from him and his 25 years of programming experience with Perl, MySQL and various other computer programming languages. Well, that add, pasted below, was seeking a programmer for just those languages...seems maybe Srock is only a master at stealing candy from babies and single women. As for the retaliation against former members of 1Heluva, that has been reported.......Srock I got a few words directly for you......bring it on ######!


From: Fred Srock (fsrock@career-pro.com)
Subject: Programmer with vision required
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
Date: 2001-03-08 13:46:07 PST

From the desk of;
Fred Srock, VPP, 3STEP Marketing Group
1 804 323 0120
1 613 962-4531 x236 (through March 5)

We are currently searching for an individual who
possesses confidence in their programming and web
development skills, but more importantly someone who
has the desire to leverage their time and maximize
their income by using the programming knowledge,
skills and abilities they possess.

If you believe you have the following career attributes,
we want to talk to you:

** A desire to secure your financial future through infinite
residuals on the money made by the programs you write.

** The ability to commit yourself to providing your technical
expertise, time and vision to existing and developing programs
with a dynamic, successful internet marketing group who can
maximize the distribution and revenue of the applications you
write in support of our marketing expertise.

** The willingness to devote unmitigated and exclusive time to
helping us build toward a multi-million dollar sell-out in 5-7 years.


WHAT WE REQUIRE:
===================
** 2+ years programming experience with PERL, MySQL, Java, PHP,
HTML and/or other web development tools.

** Immediate debugging and completion (in support of existing sales)
of one program and full development of three more comprehensive
programs by the end of 2001.

** Exclusive access to your time following completion of your
current commitments.

** The ability to solve problems as they occur immediately with
extreme defference to our organization and client base.

** The ability to assist in developing a strong support staff
capable of providing top quality technical support, installations
and contract maintenance for high volume software sales.


WHAT WE OFFER:
================

Negotiable Monthly Minimum:
- 10% of Net Revenue on all sales of software you
develop for us to our specifications:

- 10% of Net Revenue of Participant Purchases

[ * Above revenues based on sales of software you develop
and participant purchases in online marketing programs we
operate within our corporate structure.]

- Customer Software installations: $240 & up, each
- Customer monthly service contract guarantees
- Top residual commission placement in all our coporate
operated program networks.

Your earnings expectations for this position should be in excess
of $100,000 the first year and increase significantly each year
thereafter.

If you're ready to earn what you're worth, please respond to vpp@3step.com
with your telephone number and I'll be happy to call you and discuss this
position further.


Brian K. Ingram
Owner
Consulting Investigation Services.

Hi Cashpaid2U,

Didn't mean to offend you but really, people around are supposed to be grown-ups and read and investigate before joining and spending money on internet schemes, people should have known it was risky ....

So many things have already been said that everyone should be able to make his own mind, that's why it begun to be funny to repeat it over and over again in the forums ... not sure many still read it tho ...
About the legal part of the side, it depends from country to country and everyone here will have different opinions, has been talked about many times as well. I know only about the law in my country and know exactly what schemes are legally allowed here and what schemes are illegal.
I am interested in hatefrauders' question tho, is someone sueing him or is it just internet talk ?

No offense meant really but the only thing I learnt is that there ain't no beans in chili ;-)

Sophie

Maybe I personally put to much faith in people. I read & investigated as much as I could at the time I joined 1H. I even had a chat with Mr. Srock and from that chat I was lead to believe certain things that turned out not to be true. So If you cannot take a man at his word, you cannot take him at all.

No offense was taken and I am sorry if I made it seem that way. I am just disillusioned to see so many take the stance of pointing their fingers at the people who are attempting to put halt to this type of con game and laughing at their findings because perfect they are not.

It took me a long time to learn the ways of this internet world and the websites which seem to flood it's gates. People take time to laugh, but they do not take the steps necessary to allow for the corrections of those things they laugh about. That's what bothers me.

I know this issue to be old, and for you, there be nothing to new to learn, but there are still so many people out there who are not aware. Perhaps this step will prevent them from making the same mistake as I did when join this site and donate some of my money to Fred it now seems I did.

i learned, from the letter advertising for a programmer that, unlike Fred did claim, he did not write the site. I also learned that the template for his site was taken from a free website (not from this article). I also learned about some of the other schemes Fred has been involved in. Surprise me these revelations did not. I thought that the attempt to write about things which these investigators had no indepth knowledge of, except by that which they've been able to discern in the limited time frame allotted, was quite well done. Given the same task, I wonder if I could have done any better?

As far as I am understanding at this point, everything is proceeding in the direction of 'criminal' not 'civil' directions. When you ask if anybody has sued, that implies 'civil' prosecution. It would be difficult to gain any ground in that direction without the 'criminal' part happening first.

Again, I am sorry if it seemed I 'jumped upon you all' for your humor. Some of the 'side statements' made were quite funny, but the real issue is, there was a problem identified with the wording on that web page that needed to be brought to the attention of the investigators so that credibility could be gained and inacurracies removed. This is a pretty serious step they are taking. And I will do my part to ensure they succeed.

Brian, from Liverpool

LOL, I hope this isn't meant to be me? Didn't know there was ever another Brian from Liverpool that was ever a member of 1Heluva.

"Turned into a pear"?

I have appreciated your input, and although I hesitate to edit the comments of these investigators who were kind enough to volunteer their opinions, I have seen that some revisions were made.

The thing people do not understand, or do not care about, is that these people are not getting paid, but they have taken time from their busy schedules to look at this and comment.

I do not believe anyone quoted on the site bills at less than $100/HR and I know for certain that we are all busy. I don't expect these guys to spend the kind of time it would take to focus on minutia and worry about insignificant details.

Assuming that anyone wondering what is true has the intellect of the average geranium, they should see that the 1Heluva crowd isn't saying much. If they had a leg to stand on, they'd be screaming.

It's really very simple - all they need do is find one single attorney in the whole wide world that will read what I wrote and disagree with me. Since I admit that I am doing them irreparable harm, and I admit that they are suffering financially as a consequence of my web article, and I admit that I fully intend to put them out of business, and in fact pretty much have, all they need do is to argue that it is possible that they are running a legitimate enterprise and a Judge would issue a restraining order until this is resolved so they don't suffer damage that cannot be undone.

When Fred says he is going to sue, ask him when, where and what case number. What law firm is representing him - what is his lawyer's phone number? Ask him to file a copy of his Petition on the net so you can read it. I post my Complaints and my Affidavit on the net for you to read - why doesn't he?

Surely, that must be obvious.

Hmm, so now I know who to blame for the lost investment I have myself!

Might just be sending you a bill for $1,500 in lost revenue

just another example of the arrogance of the 1Heluva diehards. Just hope that you don't wind up in the same position that he's finding himself in.

###### are you calling arrogant?

And what position may that be? Come on smart a**e?

Getting sued? LOL, I'd like to see someone sue someone that has NOTHING

What I read on that page is a load of c**p from a bummed up Lawyer or whatever BillyBoy is.

"1Heluva solely targetted single moms"

Oh and I notice the page never mentioned that Cyndi, who started all these proceedings, actually received 95% of her investment back...

There really be no need for personal attacks. This battle between those who believe and those who do not, pits brother against brother, and is reminiscent of the war between the north and south though it not be slavery that predominates the motivation here.

Whether single mothers be targeted or not, I cannot say, but people unsuspecting this program does attempt to lure. In their very own words, these promoters have said, no one ever need know what happened here, so let's go forward with that premise and find more people to lure into this game. My opinion as to whether or not I think this tactic be wrong has been stated not only here, but in quite a few other message threads, so elaborate upon it further I shall not.

My message here is simply to state.. there really be no need for personal attacks simply because we each choose to believe that which places us upon opposite sides of the fence. This conflict will one day be resolved and insignificant it will seem in the grand scheme of things that are truly important when that does ultimately happen.

[quote=brianlfc,May 14 2003, 11:24 AM][[/QUOTE]
###### are you calling arrogant?

And what position may that be? Come on smart a**e?

Getting sued? LOL, I'd like to see someone sue someone that has NOTHING

What I read on that page is a load of c**p from a bummed up Lawyer or whatever BillyBoy is.

"1Heluva solely targetted single moms"

Oh and I notice the page never mentioned that Cyndi, who started all these proceedings, actually received 95% of her investment back...[/quote]
Tsk Tsk Tsk And foul mouth also. Guess its the company you keep

[quote=Watcher,May 14 2003, 03:44 AM][QUOTE=brianlfc,May 14 2003, 11:24 AM][[/QUOTE]
###### are you calling arrogant?

And what position may that be? Come on smart a**e?

Getting sued? LOL, I'd like to see someone sue someone that has NOTHING

What I read on that page is a load of c**p from a bummed up Lawyer or whatever BillyBoy is.

"1Heluva solely targetted single moms"

Oh and I notice the page never mentioned that Cyndi, who started all these proceedings, actually received 95% of her investment back...[/QUOTE]
Tsk Tsk Tsk And foul mouth also. Guess its the company you keep[/quote]
Ah, another one of those "I can call you, but can't take it" folk?

Re-read what you wrote, you called me Arrogant, right?

Jeeze, why is this forum full of people that like to give it out, but can't take it?

I wonder why no one has mentioned a class-action suit? All you'd need is a lawyer to take affadaivits, and file the motions. Not just targeting fred here, I was wondering why some hungry lawyer hasn't taken on at least one gptre that has scammed it's members in a class-action suit?
As for fred and 1h, anybody who read the faq's or TOS should've known what they were getting into...all I can say is read ALL TOS of ANY program beefore you join, and don't join anything that says anything LIKE "don't invest what you can't afford to lose" or "the rebates(payments) will be made by the NEW members who join and invest after they see what kind of money you're making."
Let's not pretend fred is the only one making money off of this...many people were singing his praises just a3-4 months ago, when they were getting 50% of their investment(payment, whuteva)per month, and made some profit if they were in it at the right time. Don't start cryin' now just because the easy money is over....
As for me, I only put in about $100 of my own money, got a few bucks from my upline, spread a little bit of THAT around my downline, and have received back roughly 30% of what I put in...but if the rebates drop to dead zero, I won't complain...unless he shuts down before the year I paid for is up.

to me it seems a lot of the talk of legal action is just complete nonsense

some say it's legal, some say it's illegal, it's the worldwide web and very few countries have substiantial laws which govern the internet, and my guess is there are probably very few states in the USA that have laws governing the internet, the world is a bigger place than just the USA so therefore if an American site in the form of 1Heluva has legal doubts concerning it, those laws would only actually be applicable if they were the laws in that particular area in which case it would be the responsibility of the individual wishing to participate with the site to look into the matter to assertain whether or not they are legally allowed to be a part of that program BEFORE they even register for it.

my personal opinion is that the only thing Fred Srock has been guilty of is placing too much faith in his members, he offered an opportunity for people to make back money just by being an active member in his program but he never counted on having his hate club of ex business partners etc shouting scam at every single site that he launched and it is those individuals that are widely responsible for the current state of 1heluva. and also there is the classic case of people being reluctant to give and only caring about receiving.

If it wasn't for so many people shouting scam at 1heluva even when it was fully delivering every single thing that it stated it would the chances are quite probable that it would be in a better situation now than it currently is, many well known and influential individuals were shouting scam without even joining or putting a single cent into the program, simply using their grudges against Fred Srock to try to destroy his reputation.

anyways I'm ranting on and on, though I think people forget that there's no such thing as a secure purchase or investment on the internet, it is the responsibility of the members of a program to identify and understand the terms of that site before they sign up, if they don't understand something they should hold off until they do fully understand it, rather than what has been the obvious trend of people just being driven by the greed factor and going in putting hundreds, even thousands of dollars into 1heluva, without even reading the terms of the site or trying to understand what they have to do in order to get back a return on the money they place into the program in the first place.

Legally Fred Srock has a very much stronger position than any other individual does with the whole situation surrounding the 1heluva ordeal because everything has always been explained on his site and looking at it realistically, if 1heluva is illegal why has his host not removed the site and disconnected him???

The bottom line is that those that put a lot of money into 1heluva and have subsequently not got a chance of getting it back, the only person to blame is themselves as an individual for being driven by greed and ignorance and not fully looking into and understanding what they were actually doing. I will admit that some of the ideas Fred had for people to afford to put money into 1heluva have been somewhat questionable, but at the same time it would seem more apparant that those same suggestions were driven by the belief that his members would see the potential in the program and that he would be able to fully deliver the expectations that his members had of the program

there are many lessons to be learnt with the whole situation, primarily, be careful before you go putting a lot of money into any program on the internet at all, the rule of thumb in general is to never spend more than you can afford to lose, and also, another lesson, individuals with personal grudges on the internet are often responsible for destroying perfectly good websites, why do these individuals shout scam, because they hate seeing others being more successful than themselves, especially when that other individual is someone who they know or have even worked with. If scam is shouted at any program never place blind faith in any individual, or even a group of individuals, especially if they are the webmasters of other similar programs, more so if they are ex business partners of that individual, if a large amount of members cry scam stop and think, have they been scammed or are they just plain ignorant and greedy.

obviously there are programs which are outright scams which is a lot of the reasoning behind this forum, but generally with any program you have to be your own judge, jury and executioner, if you trust nobody but yourself it's usually the most effective means of assertaining whether or not something is legit or whether it's a scam

'nuff said

wow man, some people can get really brainwashed.

The earlier 1H stops the better.

When you are in profit at 1H remeber:
All $$profit by a few =$$lost by the rest plus server fees.

The longer it goes on, the more people will loose.

isn't that the truth. I read that garbage and felt that i was not worth a comment. Besides, he must think he is Perry Mason or something.

Watcher, I don't know what your problem is though there are far more mature and responsible ways of answering a post you don't agree with than throwing around insults to people that you don't even know

I made that post because I can't believe how nieve so many people are, primarily to think that any legal action could be taken against Fred Srock, and secondly because if anyone has put more money into any program on the internet at all which they can't afford to lose, and they end up losing it, it's their own fault for being so gullible in the first place!

Just another example of the arrogance of the "I hate Fred" diehards.


guylc2, you're spot on, these very same people loved Fred a few months back when they were getting their 50% or thereabouts, and as you say, as soon as the FREE MEALS stopped and they had to WORK for their percentages, they started crying Scam.

Jeeze, all this crap about Scam, Scams DON'T pay, 1Heluva does or did to before all the sore losers started crying scam.

Brain-washed, lol, get real will you, its the majority of the Anti-1Heluva clan that are brain-washed, cos most of them have never even been members of the site and never knew what it was about. I wouldn't mind, but most of the people crying foul, are the very same people that so verhmently supported the scam called EZ-Bucks, a site that DID run away with everyones cash.

There are literally 100's of 1,000's of REAL scams on the Internet, that have never paid anyone, yet because of the popularity of 1H, a few bitter ex-members are wasting their cash on legal proceedings and belief in bummed up lawyers that will tell you they'll do something, take $100 a day for alledgedly investigating it, then after a year or so come out with "There is nothing we can do about it folks".

Will these very same people cry scam when they've spent thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyers, only to be disappointed when they fail in their bid?

Spot on!

Of course, Fred did put a gun to our heads and made us invest :ph34r:

Guess its ok to support an illegal scheme. LOL Bob's your uncle.

Show me where its illegal

And no, I don't have an Uncle called Bob