This more than likely all started with the subject of referrals being sold on eBay. I am listing all correspondance and would like your feedback. Please take note that I did make an apology (for all the good it did). Looks like this guy might decide to "kick me out" of his programs along with others. If this guy decides to do that - would he have the right to keep my/others hard earned money???

Thanks all
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Subj: Referrals/Get Paid Forum
Date: 4/14/03 6:17:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Cbd0219
To: daveangs@daveangs.plus.com

Hi Dave:

I joined all of these programs as a gold member on January 12, 2003
Not very good on referrals huh?

Thanks for your assistance.

Cindy
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Hi Cindy,
I work for ironsides444, so the offer applys for any of the elite 8. If you send your username of one of these sites we will get you some referrals.

Cheers Dave Angus
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TNT-e-Mail
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Total: 3

MailEarners
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FunCashMail
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Total: 5

PaidMailBox
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MoneyInn
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MailingCashus Referrals
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Total: 4

CashAvenue
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profitfromemail (This one does not have YES as a goldmember!!)
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This was sent through the website:
bquestion_type: Referrals
>
> message_type: Back on April 14th I had a whole 2 referrals. Now I
have ZERO??? Why am I not getting referrals as a Gold Member? Are you using them all for eBay?
>
> I look forward to your reply.
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Subj: FROM THE WEBMASTER OF MONEYINN
Date: 5/7/03 7:07:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: RCM DEVAULT
To: Cbd0219

Ms. _______, you are accusing me of stealing from you and my members. I will not take it! Do you read the emails? Do you know 30 inactives are deleted everyday? 3 members out of over 15,000 have accused me of "stealing" a referral or 2. Two of those members apologized. I don't need your 2 referrals to fulfill my sales on ebay. That's seems to be all you remember is FREE REFERRALS or REFERRAL BLAST! What about the 19 referrals you have in one of the other programs, I am not sure right now as I write this which program, but why don't I hear about those? Most of those were given to you be myself, but you seem to only want to talk negative. Again, if you would READ the emails, and ebay descriptions, those downlines are/were MY DOWNLINES I had when I purchased or launched a program. I have/had you on a list with 3 others to kick small downlines and single referrals I had too, now is that fair to ALL the other members? Should I take your name off that list? I will if don't receive an apology from you within 24 hours of your false acquisitions. I am a fair man, but am a hard nose! I expect people to click, if they don't, they are gone. Now you have 2 strikes, and in my programs, 3 strikes and you out! I will wait 24 hours to do anything for you.
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Subj: Re: FROM THE WEBMASTER OF MONEYINN
Date: 5/7/03 5:22:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Cbd0219
To: RCM DEVAULT

First of all - Just what are the 2 strikes you have against me and why?
Second will you please forward the email from you to me since it was done through your program.
I will then reply back to you.
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Subj:Re: N/A
Date:5/9/03 11:05:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:webmaster@moneyinn.net
To:cbd0219@aol.com
Sent from the Internet

> name:
>
> username:
> subject_type: Other
>
> bquestion_type: Referrals
>
> message_type: Back on April 14th I had a whole 2 referrals. Now I
have ZERO??? Why am I not getting referrals as a Gold Member? Are you
using them all for eBay?
>
> I look forward to your reply.
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> Hi _____, Your referrals probally got deleted.We delete on average 20 members a day due to them not being active.Than is why your referrals are gone.Thank you for your understanding.
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Date: 5/10/03 12:36:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Cbd0219
To: webmaster@moneyinn.net
CC: RCM DEVAULT, daveangs@daveangs.plus.com

Mr. Devault:

First of all - from your letter directly to me from you - Just what are the 2 strikes you have against me and why?
Second thank you for forwarding the email from me to you done through your program.
Third - I did not accuse you of stealing referrals. I was making a statement that perhaps you were selling referrals on eBay instead of giving them to all of us Gold Members of your programs. I do realize that inactives are deleted.
Fourth - The referrals you were mentioning were given to me by Dave and from me paying for advertisments advertising YOUR WEBSITES OF WHICH I AM A MEMBER OF!
Fifth - I do apologize for making the eBay remark. That statement should not have been made!

I am a good member and plan to stay that way.

I look forward to your reply.
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Date: 5/10/03 1:09:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: RCM DEVAULT
To: Cbd0219

1st off, Dave didn't give you anything! He doesn't have access to that! 2nd, you didnt make a statement that perhaps I was selling referrals on ebay instead of giving to the gold members, you were so maddened by it you had to let it out, not really knowing what I was selling. It was my own downlines I had when I purchased the programs or launched them! Now, strike 1, you insinuation that you should be given a huge downline because you are a gold member and it is unfair for me to sell MY downlines. How would you feel if I have you 13, which I did, and someone else 33? You would complain about that. Strike 2, your recent email to me, again indicating that I was taking your 2 referrals and selling them on ebay. You basically called me a thief! Now maybe you should go back and reread what you wrote. I don't appreciate your slander or degrading me and my reputation, and it seems there are only about 3 of you who want to whine when inactives are deleted and you lose some. And why don't I hear or see anything about the 13 I gave you? I always keep in mind what its like to be a member, but members who have never been on this side of the fence dont understand and it irritates the heck out of me. You act like you know it all, and you don't.

DeVault
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Did I insinuate that I should be given a huge downline - NO!!

How could I complain that "so and so" has a bigger downline when I don't know any of you. Also "so and so" could have advertised a lot more than me. Stupid statement.

I DID NOT say he stole my whole 2 referrals to sell on eBay. I asked if he were selling the referrals on eBay instead of giving them to Gold Members. (I did apologize for the eBay statement)

Hmm, I act like a "know it all" - where did that come from?

That's it folks ( enough isn't it - LOL)
Thanks again

Well I have read it all

A lot of text to read

Hmmm this guy is one of most honset and respected webmasters.
There is no way he will delete you.
Good thing you made an apology also...becouse I don`t think you are right.

He probably sels referals, that entered as username something like "xxxx" ect....

But don`t be afraid, he will not delete you.

I get your point wholey.

No where in your e-mail did I see you say, he was taking your 2 and selling them on e-bay, and no where do I see you demanding a huge downline.

Ironside444 has always been one of my favourite webmasters, and his programs always pay.

I do understand where you are comng from here.....Just because a new member puts in XXXXXX as a refer, if members have no upline, they should be spread around the goldmembers.
I can not believe you are a goldmember, and only have that many referals!...I am a gold member at a few sites, and have over 40 first tiers, and many more in the lower levels.

I am a goldmember at mailingcash, but have never got 1 referal...I have referals, but I got them thru advertising.

Ironside, looks like he was tring to say, that he was selling refs, or downlines that are his at different programs, but this is not always the case.

Also....When a program can no longer supply FREE referals for their goldmembers, they should do what Carole from mec-co-op did, and CLOSE goldmembership, as it is not fair.

Every week, a new goldmembership is sold on e-bay for each of his programs, there are way TOO many golds, and not enough referals.

I mean, what is the reason for buying a goldmembership?...Advertising?...You get a bit, but mainly for referals.

I fully understand and sympathise with you.

I also beleive ironside, does not fully understand your arguement, as it sounds like he has the wires crossed, on what you are indeed saying.

If it was me, who had paid for all those goldmemberships, and had got that many refs, I would be jumping up and down, worse than you.