Did anyone else have their accounts debited overnight for not reading email? I'm a dollar short and a friend had $2. deducted for not reading a paid email.

Cash Debits
Not Reading Paid Email $1.0000
Total Cash Debits: $ 1.0000

Thanks all.

it's new for me...
did you write to chechong?

no problem with me...
but well, I read all the mails

i think this is an error...
there's written nothing about that on the site...

Yes, I emailed him right away. It also happened to another member, they had $2. deducted.


And for the record, I read all the emails too so that it isn't even an issue.

then it is way weird...
"Not Reading Paid Email $1.0000" ??? what would that mean??

That's exactly what I'm trying to find out

No problem here either...

Do you think it might be related to the 'trick' links?

I don't really know, I never clicked any invalid links. I only have 2 refs there and the $1. came out of those earnings. The other member I was speaking of had $2. taken out of her personal cash. I noticed also that the membership has been drastically reduced, maybe everything will be fixed when he's done doing whatever he's doing.

No debits here
but my 2 lonely refs are gone

HEY!!!!

Where's my dollar?

You were debited too? Whew, for a while I thought it was just the two of us. I haven't heard back yet but I understand it can take several days for the webmaster to reply. I'll post as soon as I know anything more.

[COLOR=red]no debits of any kind....and getting really close to payout

You have directly earned: $ 5.6100
You have earned from your Downline: $ 0.0000
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 10.6225
You have directly earned: 0 Points
You have earned from your Downline: 0 Points
Total available points after all transactions: 0 Points
Referral Count
Total number of people you referred: 0
Account Transactions
Cash Credits
125 points converted to cash $0.0125
Sign-up Bonus $5.0000
Total Cash Credits: $ 5.0125
Cash Debits
Total Cash Debits: $ 0.0000
Point Credits
Total Point Credits: 0
Point Debits
Total Point Debits: 0

Sounds like an English test email to me.

The "not reading" probs refers to you not reading "do not click here" or something, lol...

I never got the email, actually I've not had an email of CheeChong for about a week

Hi there

I just checked my account and found that I have been debited $1.00 for not reading emails, but I'm positive that I have read them all.
I may have clicked on one cheater link but -$1.00 seams a bit steep for one wrong click.
I have sent them a message and will let you know the what happens

Jimmy.

They're still being sent out, but not quite as often as they have been in the past. You're pbobably just unklucky.

No debits here, thankfully.

I have $3 deducted!!! I usually do read my emails quite carefully before clicking on links so I don't understand how I could have clicked on links that I'm not supposed to (if the "for not reading email" is that). I took a look at the earnings page and I wonder if the number of recent clicks on ads that have been removed coincides with the number of times for not reading email. Anyone care to confirm it?

I show 1 ad deletion and I have a $1. deduction from my referral earnings. I find it odd that the deduction didn't come out of my personal earnings, and I didn't lose either one of my two refs.

thats waaaay weird...none deleted on my page and no debits either...maybe Chee will come and explain?

Sign-up Bonus $5.0000
Total Cash Credits: $ 5.0125
Cash Debits
Total Cash Debits: $ 0.0000
Point Credits
Total Point Credits: 0
Point Debits
Total Point Debits: 0
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I had one referral at some point that is now gone and I too have been debited the 1.00 for not reading paid email. Seems really strange to me. I have not clicked on any link that I wasn't supposed to and may have missed 1 or 2 emails from this gptr program but to debit me 1.00 means that @ 2cents a link I missed like 50 emails... Makes no sense.

Hi everyone,

My account seems ok, only I am missing 2 referrals. I don't think they were deleted, but most likely just resigned. I just finished advertising this program and since he isn't sending out email very often and no paid banners or links, they just left.

I don't remember getting any emails with do not click links from this program.

Lets hope he explains and starts sending emails again. I am less then 8 cents from cash out.

i havent recieved an email from cheechong in 2 weeks so i guess im safe

I took quite a few days to manually check up on each member that had clicked on the unsubscribe link in the paid emails.

And I have just finished with the most recent paid emails.

In order for all to understand what I would like to say later,let's take a look at one of CheeChongClicks paid emails.

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Sent on 5 May 2003 14:30 GMT+8
This Paid E-mail will last for 72 hours.
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CCC Paid E-mail
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FUNKY CASH MAIL has a brand new owner
who is raring to go, new scripts,
So if you are looking to earn cash
and have fun, join up with the FunkyLady!!

Get Paid to click on e-mail links
Get Paid to click on site links
Get Paid for 5 referral levels
Upgrade and it gets even better
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To revisit:
http://www.funkycashmail.com/pages/index.p...hp?refid=.......

Click the link below to get paid

http://www.cheechongclicks.com/scripts/run...er.php?EA=......

<a href=http://www.cheechongclicks.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=......>AOL Users</a>

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Check these out to earn more!
(All clicks are unique clicks whereby each member can only click once for each ad.)

Paid Banner:
http://www.cheechongclicks.com/pages/ptcb.php
Paid Link:
http://www.cheechongclicks.com/pages/ptcl.php
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This is a paid email from CheeChongClicks.
You are receiving this email as a member of CheeChongClicks.
To unsubscribe:
1)Login at http://www.cheechongclicks.com/pages/enter.php
2)Go to Account Info
3)Scroll to the bottom of the page
4)Enter your password and click delete
By unsubscribing,you are losing all your earnings and referrals.
Alternatively,
click the link below to unsubscribe from CheeChongClicks

http://www.cheechongclicks.com/scripts/run...er.php?EA=......

<a href=http://www.cheechongclicks.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=......>AOL Users</a>

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The unsubscribe link at the end serves the following purpose:

1)To catch members who just focus their attention on the runner link and not on what's written in the paid email.(If members are not reading on what's written in the paid email,basically they are not reading the ad.)

2)To catch members who don't understand English and just click on every single runner link which they recognize.

3)To catch members who are using softwares to aid their clicking so they don't have to read the ad.

The paid email above was sent to all members.
Of those who responded,
15% clicked on the unsubscribe link.

Was it a request asking me to delete all those accounts?
NO,I don't think so.
I don't think any of you would unsubscribe in this manner.

So,if you don't mean to unsubscribe,then why are you clicking on that link?

Okay,let's analyse what a member would do if he/she is giving enough attention to what's written in the paid emails.(according to the format of CheeChongClicks paid email)

This the minimum that he/she would do:

i)Start skimming from the top to the bottom
ii)Know and understand where the link would lead him/her to before he/she finally clicks.

So,based on the above minimum requirement and the format of CheeChongClicks paid email,

I can safely say:

Those that clicked on the bottom link first,then on the real paid link,they are just interested in clicking for money and do not bother what's written in the paid email;

Or they don't understand the word "unsubscribe" and it is more convenient for them to click from bottom to top.(since the paid links in paid emails of most gptrem are at the bottom)



Those that clicked on the real paid link first,then on the bottom link,at least they are not showing signs that they aren't interested in what's written in the paid email.
Just that they need to pay more attention to the words before clicking.

Or they don't understand the word "unsubscribe" and it is more convenient for them to click from top to bottom.
(Thinking that the more they click,the more they will earn.)

Or they think the unsubscribe link is a joke and they are curious enough to see where the link would lead them to.



Those that clicked only on the bottom link and had missed the real paid link,you are obviously not reading.You are not fit to be in the get-paid-to-read-email industry and I had to keep you away from CheeChongClicks.

Anyone who is showing clear signs that they are not reading are also deleted.

The rest have their earnings deducted instead of their accounts DELETED.


Note that the deduction was added MANUALLY instead of using an auto link as this would deduct your upline's direct(personal) earnings as well.
So,don't misunderstood.
No member's direct earning is deducted.
No member's referral earning is deducted.
No member's sign-up bonus is deducted.



If you are giving all kinds of reason for clicking on the unsubscribe link "accidentally", then pay the price for the "accident".

(Don't drivers have to pay the price when they create accidents?)

The paid link and the unsubscribe link are so far apart.
It is hard to imagine anyone would make this kind of accident if you are giving enough attention to the paid email and you understand English.
85% of the members aren't making "accidents."




If you are seeing the above in your earning stats,then you have clicked on the unsubscribe link and you have been penalized.

From the above quote,we can see that the unsubscribe link leads to CheeChongClicks homepage.
So,if you have been viewing the sites after clicking,you would know something is wrong after seeing the homepage and at the most you would click on the unsubscribe link only once.

There is no excuse for those clicking on the unsubscribe link more than once if you know what you are doing and are doing what you should be doing.

Of course,this method is not fool-proof.
And there are obviously better solutions than this.
But at the current stage, this temporary method has to be used.


There is no fixed rate for the deduction.
Most had $1 deducted for each click.
I agree the penalty is HARSH.
It is meant to be HARSH.

Not reading paid email when you are paid to read email is a CHEATING offence.
This offence will not be tolerated.


Webmasters pay you for your attention to BOTH the ad in the email and advertiser's website.If you are not giving your attention but still gets the money,you are cheating the program.


Same logic here:

Your boss pays you to type letters.But instead of typing,
you are chit-chatting on the phone and still get paid.
You are cheating the company.

You pay me for an apple.
If I'm not giving you the apple but still gets your money,
I am cheating you.

It is this kind of members that are weaking the get-paid-to-read-email industry.

Imagine a paid email meant for 500 members:
They are robbing the rights of qualified members of a chance to earn from that paid email.
They are pulling down the quality of ad campaign by depriving advertisers of possible signups/leads/sales.
They are wasting the webmasters' time, money, resources and forcing them to be honest "scammers".


I used to send ads within hours of advertiser's order
but recently I can't.
I used to let members earn daily
but recently I can't.

Most of my time have been wasted due to cheaters and irresponsible members.

As I have said before,NEVER will I be thinking of opening another gpt site.Because by doing so,I am weakening the gpt industry.

CheeChongClick$ is for the long run and to do so I need a clean member base at the start.

Well, It took quite a few months for me to even get to where I was at to begin with. I can see your point but I also feel that it is wrong for you to just decide to deduct 1.00 out of honest memeber's accounts without any notice that something like that would be the penalty for accidentally clicking the wrong link.

Obviously I clicked the link since you saw fit to deduct from my account. Yes, I can see being penalized for it. However, I still don't see how penalizing all of us at the price we're paid to click *50* emails is anywhere close to being fair. I do read, write and understand english quite well. I don't 'skim' through the e-mails. I actually read them. And I believe I have even used some of them as a means to sign up in other programs. That was before I knew about this place.

You may find that this is an okay temporary fix. It's your program. You do as you see fit. I can't honestly believe that I am the only one that will disagree with you though.


Torqued


No. I'm actually deleting my account. He can have all of the money in it as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you Chee for coming and explaining

QUOTE

The paid link and the unsubscribe link are so far apart.

if they're reading it like they should, then they wouldn't have clicked it although I DO have to admit I looked at the first one I saw and "HUH??" an unsubscribe link like THIS? I thought something to the effect of well not getting much in the way of emails or ptc but willing to ride out the storm

QUOTE

I can see your point but I also feel that it is wrong for you to just decide to deduct 1.00 out of honest memeber's accounts without any notice that something like that would be the penalty for accidentally clicking the wrong link.

and Torque...ya DIDN'T "accidently" click it..ya did it because ya weren't reading the email--bet you'll start reading them NOW won't ya?

I receive your answer to my message, and first I want to thank you for that.
In your message you invited me to go to the forum.
I'm here and I've read all the posted messages.
Perhaps some people has been "punished" to click on invalid links and their earnings were deducted.
I received only a few emails by Chee Chong. I read it all and I'm quite sure I never clicked any invalid links.
That's why I'm convinced that this is not my case.
I repeat my problem: I'm not able to login, I reveive a message telling my ID is not in the database!
By the way, if I'm not able to login, how can I verify my earning status and see if there's something unusual, like the others?

Perhaps I've been baned from the program and my data delected, but I still not knowing the "why?".

Hope you can fix this "accident", as you say. Sometimes things are not just "accidents" and the most of the time we can (and must) repair our bugs.
Regards

[color=red]

This is meant to be a spot check on members.

I am not using words like "DO NOT CLICK" because they are overused by a lot of other gptrem. Non-readers have already got used to it and they are immuned,therefore it is not that effective now.

No one has been "punished" by clicking on invalid or expired links with their earnings deducted.



I haven't banned anyone yet.

Let me know your username.
Would be better if you can provide your signed-up email address and sign-up date.

Well if this link was the "unsubscribe link" masked as a paid runner link then this is not fair, I certainly know what the Unsub link is and would never have clicked on it by accident. I get over 1000 emails a day and. I do not cheat, I read and understand english, I am Canadian. My account was deducted $3, if this was a one time link then why did I get deducted 3 times?
I think if you are trying to catch cheaters, like most GPTR owner's are doing then it is only fair to have some kind of warning for those who don't cheat. I do not use any cheat program but because I read so many emails from different GPTR programs I belong too I may not always read the whole mail, especially if the add is quite lengthy as some may get before you actually get to the paid link, this is time consuming, I want to see the site and get my info from there if I need to know more this is what I believe I'm being paid to do.
I love your program , but not this having to be deducted $1.00 for not reading paid emails, especially if it's from earnings that took me month's to aquire before you did this. My time is money too.

Thank you
CheeChong member: charmeyn

Hi All

Dos anyone know how long it takes to make $1.00 with no refferals, I recon about 3 Months, to deduct 3 months earnings for one wrong click is more than HARSH.

Your problem is that there is now cheating software, so people using this must be activating the unsub link 10 or 20 times a week.

So why didn't you say anyone clicking the link 10 times has there account closed, or if you click on the link once you lose your last 7 days earnings.

But at the end of the day theres nothing we can do about it.....

Jimmy.

okay..y'all are having hissy fits because YOU screwed up--not me, Chee and 85% of the membership...just a few who are crying FOUL SNEAKY and probally a few words I won't put here LOL. let's do a comparision shall we?

this is Chee's cheater link...see it looks like any other "good" link.....now compare it to the one below...



this one is also looking like a "good" link....it just has a ton of forewarning (which I personally think is unecessary if you're doing what your supposed to....but that is neither here nor there)

and my point is? like I tell me 16 year old...you are old enough now to make some decisions on your own...just remember if it's the WRONG one (i.e. clicking that link)--then you and YOU alone will have to deal with the consequences....and DO NOT blame anyone else. jumping off the soapbox now...just tired of everyone trying to blame Chee and anyone or anything else because THEY screwed up!!!

I feel better now...waiting to click any time ya got 'em to send Chee

This was not a one time link.
It was recently implemented and will be in all paid emails.

You have clicked on the link 3 times in 3 paid emails.
I was hesitating whether to just delete your account or deducted $3.
I thought you are a real Canadian and doesn't mean to cheat.
Just that you didn't pay enough attention to read which you should.
You are one of the few lucky ones which I keep your account.
Most of the others had their accounts deleted after clicking 3 or more times.



You get me wrong.
I am not trying to catch cheaters.(your definition of cheaters as auto-click software users)
I am trying to catch non-readers,non-English readers and auto-click software users.



You may not always read the whole mail,
BUT you are always getting the FULL 2 cents.



If this is your belief,then you have just turned a get-paid-to-read-email to a get-paid-to-surf.

It doesn't matter what the advertiser wants ultimately.
What matters is what you are paid to do.
You are trying to get the shortcut way out.
If you belong to too many gptr programs,quit some.
You can't ask the program to compromise for you just because you don't have enough time to earn.




I haven't deducted from anyone's direct earnings.
(Direct earnings also mean personal earnings)
No,you don't take month's to acquire $1.00.
Your $5 sign-up bonus?

My problem not only comes from cheating software.
In fact,the BIGGEST problem I am facing is from non-readers - members who can't read English and members who can read English but don't want to read.
I believe most,if not all,gptrem webmasters share the same view as mine.

Giving a warning beforehand will never catch English readers who don't want to read.

Cheaters will pull down a gptrem program.
Non-readers will pull down a gptrem industry.

thank you!! I think THIS quote says it all...

I don't have time for this program. 1 dolar whitout referrals I earn every 2 mounth and then cheechong DEBIT this dolar. Bay Bay CheeChong.
Only you do this!!!!

Oh yes you have!
I'm one of them!
You may confirm it just by readung the message you sent me today, answering my email from 5 May.
My username is on the left: nut2 (It was the same I had once in the program)
I joined Monday, 21 April 2003, at 0:48 GMT
I do not know the date you baned me, but your message states I was at the first round.

I'm very angry and very tired with this. I'm too aged to go trought this kind of humilliation... I do not need it, do not want it and DO NOT DESERVE IT!
Sucess for all

Me again

I receved this email from Trinitys-Treasure, it seems very fair.

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This message is being sent to all members of Trinitys-Treasure.

Effective immediately, there will be a cheat link in every paid email. We are
implementing this to discourage the use of cheat software and cheating in
general.

Immediately above the link there will be a message not to click the link.

If a cheat link is clicked anyway, this is what will happen:

1st time a cheat link is clicked will be a warning.

2nd time a cheat link is clicked will be a warning AND 10 cents debited from
your account.

3rd time a cheat link is clicked, the member\'s account will be deleted and all
earnings forfeited. The member will not be able to sign up again or have their
account reinstated.

Thank you,
Noey and Rob

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Just a thought, Jimmy.

Although I still don't like penalty link, at least Trinitys-Treasure and some other owners are fair since they gave warning & updated terms before sending it.

Most other owners are not fair.
They suddenly started sending penalty link without warning & updating terms, which is nothing but trick even though they insist "it's not trick".

In my knowledge, many members started paying attention only whether paidlink is real or not, and cannot remember what the content of advertisement was.
It's not good for advertisers.

Hhmmm, to have cheaters... you first need to have mails to be sent.....

I wrote a message to Cheechongclicks through their 'contact' link on the site, and never got any answer. So as far as i am concerned, it will be bye bye from me as well..... and it will not be the only one this month that I quit.

Mailkings won't let me login anymore for one reason or another, ok well, they were not sending mails either, I am only feeling frustrated that I could not unsubscribe from them by my own choice!

Hello good people!
Let's chat about legal stuff.
First: we have a contract with a well known program - contracts are legal and mutual, working in two (I mean 2) directions. What I'm saying is that any contractual change cannot be unilateral without previous warning. I repeat: it is not legal to resolve a contract without prior notice to the other part (by now, I'm thinking I can read well english and I found I can write it, too!).
A well known program had resolved a lot of contracts without prior warning!
A well known program changed the contractual terms without prior aknowledgement off the parts involved.
What a shame, we live all in free yet proud democratic countries, dont we?
And this means rules equal to everyone!
In this case, things are not working the legal way.
I never saw nothing like this in free countries: rules made by one (OK for this case), stated and implemented by one (OK, if everybody knows the rules from the beggining; if not, it's not legal nor fair).
The most unique is the fact that rules work in retro mode (ie: I made a rule today to implement yesterday... oh no, boy, this is not legal!)
Sorry about all this legal stuff, but I think we should think a little on it.
Sorry my english bugs, I'm not english and do not use to write in a daily basis.
Sucess for all

I love this sentence! It says a lot to me.
Regards

sorry I disagree...if you are doing what you're being paid to do, then what's the problem? and btw I joined in late Nov.'02 (I think)....have no refs either...don't think Im doing too bad considering how long the site's been down....

You have directly earned: $ 5.6900
You have earned from your Downline: $ 0.0000
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 10.7025

We joined paid to read program, not fined to read program.
That's my point.

Many people clicked penalty link because they did not expect it would be sent from paid to read program.
If people joined fined to read program, they would expect only penalty link is coming.

Excluding cheaters, people who clicked penalty link opened email from PTR program.
If you didin't open that email, there would be no chance to click penalty link.
So, most people stop opening email, advertisers will be unhappy.

Simple reason.

Ahhh my speculation that it might just be a trick link was correct after all.

I too thought that link be an unusual way to unsubscribe for different it was from any other GPTR hate to see you go, but if you must.. type of link. Tempted I was to click upon it just out of curiosity, but didn't want to risk the chance that unsub me from this program it just might do.

I think it be a fair test, but a bit more tricky than any of the others which I have thus far encountered. The penalty be stiff, but it is designed to make you think and to learn as a result of your mistakes.

Exactly! You get paid to Read the emails. Therefore you should have read that this was the unsubscribe link and not a paid link.

Hi Chee,

Thank you, I was checking my account after getting a paid email today and noticed the $3 that was deducted from my account is now back. I did notice that " Unsub link" in today's email and didn't click it LOL

Thank You

I forgot to mention this.
I didn't click paidlink-like unsubscribe link from CheeChong since I'm getting used to this kind of trick LOL.

I'm talking about how GENERAL people click penalty link and how they feel tricked.

I amend previous statement.

We joined paid to read program, not fined to be tricked program.

I'm not in CheeChongClicks, nor have I ever been, but I think it was rather underhanded to have this link debit one's account $1 without at least putting a line in there saying something like, "If you click this accidentally, your account will be debited $1."

I would also like to add my thanks, Chee. The $1. has been added back in.