I emailed the owner of AdBux yesterday asking the owner's name and where he was from. I got an email reply this morning that said, " My name is Tyler and I'm from the US."

He is telling everyone he is Tyler G from the USA, in one section it says something about EST time so that might narrow it down a bit to what area of the USA he is in. But as I never been to USA I dont have a clue how big an area EST time area is. I emailed him last night asking for more information but not received a reply yet.

Some already have sent out admin messages with links to threads here as well as GPTB

Yes, I have checked that thread. I was one of the ones who alerted Kim to the thread. Also it was not her program anymore when it disappeared.

eta: this thread is about adbux not faeriesandfantasy or me

It was however her programme when she changed from a cash to ads only so people did lose money.

Yes the thread is about AdBux but if you don't want to be called out on things, don't make statements that don't hold up to scrutiny.

Now back to AdBux, if people want to try it out without promoting it and without spending any money on it, I don't see the harm in it. It's a learning experience and people are entitled to make their own mistakes. It's one thing to inform or warn others about possible scams but it's quite another when instead of just informing, we ridicule members or pass judgement.

It was however her programme when she changed from a cash to ads only so people did lose money.

Yes the thread is about AdBux but if you don't want to be called out on things, don't make statements that don't hold up to scrutiny.

Now back to AdBux, if people want to try it out without promoting it and without spending any money on it, I don't see the harm in it. It's a learning experience and people are entitled to make their own mistakes. It's one thing to inform or warn others about possible scams but it's quite another when instead of just informing, we ridicule members or pass judgement.

Like you do to me EVERY time I post in a thread that is of interest to you.

Thank you Priestes.
eta: MenaC make sure you run to the other forum too and start there if you haven't already.

Terrific find, cubster.

I'm thankful for your efforts, and thankful that it resulted in finding something, too.

Here's a screenshot of, I think, the one you were viewing.

You deserve a cub (or three) for your find.

Josh

Regardless of who the owners may or may not be, it might be a good idea if some of the more experienced members could give ptc newbies here an idea of why you say this site is unsustainable.

Not only did the guy not pay possibly over a hundred thousand dollars he owed, but he also stole, by estimates at the time, ~$50,000 that was paid to him by people purchasing referrals.

He also has had other fraudulent sites like xull.org (if I recall correctly it was it was an e-gold scam), usellco.com (having people give him items so that he would "sell them and send back the money"), kyrotek.com (claimed to sell discount computers), and some other ones that I don't remember well offhand.

Hi strolly,

Don't know if you saw the screenshot of the ad with the name "Chad French" and his email address. I went to the domain of his address (ccmlb.org) and it was a church's. The contact page said Chad French was their webmaster. I contacted the Pastor and Secretary by phone and they both said that a man by the name of Chad French is their site's webmaster. They also said that acflb.org was the church's previous domain name. The site acflb.org was the one that Chad French also was the webmaster for and had on the same server as netbux.org two years ago. A post by sysphus6 in this thread talks about that. The thread also says that the pastor's contact on the old church site was Chad French's home phone number, which makes sense since we thought he was impersonating the pastor (apparently not by name, just by phone). You can also search around for more acflb and netbux matches.

If Chad French isn't running this site, it's been confirmed that he is involved at least to some extent. The good thing to come out of it is that we now know exactly where he lives.

Josh

I don't have his home address, as far as I know. What I meant by where he lives is where his church is. Anyway, someone named Paul French is also the assistant pastor. I'm going to guess that might be his father or another relative. So at least we know who Chad is and where he is, regardless of what extent his relationship to adbux is.

Unfortunately, despite the fact that there is a lot of "proof" in terms of online records, I don't know how that can be used as evidence in an investigation by police. Online records can always be doctored. Unfortunately, the old netbux unofficial forums are down, where a lot of records had been kept, and information on him and his several scams had been posted.

I'm not sure how the police would begin investigating something like this, especially with how long ago it took place lending to the loss of much information. You're right though, the authorities should do something about this. Unfortunately, t probably won't lead to the return of the money to the thousands of people he's defrauded, since I doubt there is any way to prove who lost how much to him. At the least, he deserves a nice hefty jail sentence with no access to the Internet (since you can get that in jail now).

Josh

Unless someone or a load of people actually go and report this to the police then we can post away on forums and it wont ever stop this. Its not just about the money its about justice for committing a criminal act. We arent the police and we dont know how far the police can investigate and how much they can delve further than we actually can. They use far more spohisticated equipment these days and can find all sorts of things. They cant ignore hundreds of complaints about a scam.

In the US cops could careless about something like this there lazy enough as it is letting people know is the best you can do.

They may have ignored 12 daily pro in the beginning but they listened eventually.

Adbux is no different than the others in terms of handing out funny money. It is different though, in taking actual money from members and building up a pseudo-Ponzi by the referral scheme.

Hi strolly,

Don't know if you saw the screenshot of the ad with the name "Chad French" and his email address. I went to the domain of his address (ccmlb.org) and it was a church's. The contact page said Chad French was their webmaster. I contacted the Pastor and Secretary by phone and they both said that a man by the name of Chad French is their site's webmaster. They also said that acflb.org was the church's previous domain name. The site acflb.org was the one that Chad French also was the webmaster for and had on the same server as netbux.org two years ago. A post by sisyphus6 in this thread talks about that. The thread also says that the pastor's contact on the old church site was Chad French's home phone number, which makes sense since we thought he was impersonating the pastor (apparently not by name, just by phone). You can also search around for more acflb and netbux matches.

If Chad French isn't running this site, it's been confirmed that he is involved at least to some extent. The good thing to come out of it is that we now know exactly where he lives.

Josh

Edit: I should be able to spell mythological names.

i would like to join in the conversation. Being that the church that french is the webmaster for is in lake butler florida i did a little search. The listing below is the only listing of a Chad french in florida and low and behold it is in lake butler

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i think this would mean that french is . i was also very skeptical of the site from the begining but i think it is conclusive now.

I hope this helps everybody

i would like to join in the conversation. Being that the church that french is the webmaster for is in lake butler florida i did a little search. The listing below is the only listing of a Chad french in florida and low and behold it is in lake butler

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i think this would mean that french is . i was also very skeptical of the site from the begining but i think it is conclusive now.

I hope this helps everybody

I find it hard to believe the police are lazy if I walked into a police station tomorrow and said I want to report a crime I would be taken seriously and I would be listened to. They may come back in a week or two and say theres no grounds for complaint or may say they dont have enough evidence but saying all we can do is let people know is not enough.
How can we be expected to let 21,525 users know? this site has spread far and wide and this forum and a few other forums dont reach that many people.
They may have ignored 12 daily pro in the beginning but they listened eventually.

You obviosly don't know american police then i've known tons of people to report theft or scam crimes and the police out here push them to the back.

I find it hard to believe the police are lazy if I walked into a police station tomorrow and said I want to report a crime I would be taken seriously and I would be listened to. They may come back in a week or two and say theres no grounds for complaint or may say they dont have enough evidence but saying all we can do is let people know is not enough.
How can we be expected to let 21,525 users know? this site has spread far and wide and this forum and a few other forums dont reach that many people.
They may have ignored 12 daily pro in the beginning but they listened eventually.

KArma will reward them one day they fall scam to some other promotor and complain when they lose money. Karma will reward people who knowly promote scam sites sooner or later.

It just amazes me to see the attitudes of some. I assume these same people if they saw someone dropped money from their purse or wallet would pick it up and stick it in thier pocket rather then tap the person on the shoulder and return it to them.

Why on earth would you continue promoting a program when you know the site is most likely owned by someone who has scammed thousands of dollars in the past?

What you choose to do with a program is your business but when you promote it and bring in others who are not aware of the problem and they then are scammed this is just wrong.

PTR has really opened my eyes the last five years to what someone will do for pennies. Amazing!

That area encompasses at least a quarter of the states in the US, if not closer to a third...

The last 5 years? Were you living in a very small area? Non of this surprises me I myself am no saint but I couldn't even promote something that I knew would scam people. It is ok if I screw myself over but i'm not gonna drag other people in it when they could be on a legit site that would actually pay them.

It just amazes me to see the attitudes of some. I assume these same people if they saw someone dropped money from their purse or wallet would pick it up and stick it in thier pocket rather then tap the person on the shoulder and return it to them.

Why on earth would you continue promoting a program when you know the site is most likely owned by someone who has scammed thousands of dollars in the past?

What you choose to do with a program is your business but when you promote it and bring in others who are not aware of the problem and they then are scammed this is just wrong.

PTR has really opened my eyes the last five years to what someone will do for pennies. Amazing!

KArma will reward them one day they fall scam to some other promotor and complain when they lose money. Karma will reward people who knowly promote scam sites sooner or later.

It's not a scam site though, it's paying! It may (or may not) become a scam in the future, but right now while it's paying it is legit and should be given a chance to prosper.