Not all sites do (those sites promising hundreds of dollars per mail for example or SurfJunky which was a scam from the beginning, some sites have no intention of ever paying members a single cent!) and whose to say they won't keep on paying? Many sites who were paying, some for months and that were the biggest and most popular in PTR, eventually stopped. But that didn't make them scams while they were still paying. A site is not a scam until it becomes one. So far Adbux is paying and there is no proof that Chad French is the owner. Maybe he is just an advertiser there, didn't anyone ever consider that possibility?

What is that saying "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

I don't think some people are as interested in waiting for proof as they are in having a chance to make a few bucks off the backs of others who may have no idea what is going on.

If they do not accept that there is certainly enough information to make a VERY educated assumption that this is Chad then they can excuse themselves later by saying they "didnt know"...I think its called CYA.

People have said I am a cranky old ***** but the more I read threads like this...the older and CRANKIER I become.

How can anyone possibly justify the "as long as I get mine it doesnt matter" attitude in this thread.

Enjoy....Karma is a much harder foe than I could ever be...

Belle

I was wondering if anyone had contacted the police to ask their advice on this?

The programme is still paying...May be in the future turns to scam...

One thing is definetely sure:After all this comments and negative feedback it will turn to scam sooner than the expected time...Too sad...

A shame to see all that data lost both here and in the GPTBoycott thread you started. Many program owners were sending members here and there to read the information for themselves to make their own choice regarding AdBux. One wonders just what those repercussions were.

He posted that man's address to a internet lynch mob ... . If there was no law to protect that somebody could post your info tomorrow and somebody could go there and kill you. The man might be a scammer or watnot but he still has right's and privacy mainly in your own home with you and your family is a huge part of that.

*Edit* Looking back threw the post he didn't post the address but made the topic where it was posted so he could be held accountable.

.I am lost.....Who posted whose information?..



Accountable for what? To whom? and who is the internet lynch mob.?

Is that how the scammers work now. They threaten anyone who warns others.

and some find that acceptable.. pfft


Belle

You're kidding me, right?

If the guy's a scammer, maybe he should think twice before scamming anyone, especially if he does have a family. Kind of reminds me of someone starting an argument and when the opposition gets mad enough, he puts his glasses on and says "You wouldn't hit a man with glasses on". C'mon.

The address of chad french was posted in this topic and then the next day the topic poster edit's every single post he made. They would have to get his ip to even find him but i'm sure chad probably threatened him with some bull that couldn't hold water. The person who posted could get legal action against them but the topic poster wouldn't get anything but either way he's scared because I guess they want to hold him accountable and threatened him in pm. The internet lynch mob was just a joking reference to the people ready to hang this program because of the past. I am sure it is a scam but lynch mob was just my joke to the hole situation.

It isn't possible to do anything to anyone anyway for just stating that the program is a scam. They could claim slander but he posted his thouhts on it and slander is only when they post untruth that they know is untruth just to destroy someone. Like I said though this was all just a topic going for a few days until that address go posted and the talk about the police came up.

What? I was simply explaing the law and that the man has right's to his privacy unless he's a registered sex offender or something. Doesn't matter how you put it point blank putting someone's address on the wide open net without there permission is highly illegal. I have seen people get in big trouble for posting a person's phone number on myspace. The man is a scammer but deal with him don't put his address out there on the net where his kids and wife live because that brings them into his mess. I no you say he should have thought twice but your thinking in the matter doesn't change privacy law's.

Could you please tell me what the law is called which makes posting an address illegal and/or give me a link to where you got this information about my space.

btw..Do you KNOW this is what happened or is this just what you THINK may have happened.


Quite a joke there with the lynch mob comment. I guess its a real yuk to read these people dont want to just sit back and let him rip more people off...AND they have the balls to step up and help.
Yeah...what a joke aye...a real thigh thumper.



Belle

WOW you are very grumpy arern't you? I don't support the site and I have said I know it's a scam so what's your problem? It is seriously unhealty to be that negative and can't even take a joke well excuseeeeeee me for not being as uptight as you because I guess your way is the only way.

About the law are you seriously that ignorant or is that a act? You actually think there is no law to protect somebody's address from being put anywhere without there permission? It is different if you find it and it's a matter or the phone book or a public record but you don't take that information and post it on the websites without there permisson. I have known people personally in my college to get a big fine for posting some's number on myspace and it happen's at other college's to once the police find out. There are even law's now to prevent bullying online but you think private information like your address skip's all the law's? I guess all this cyber bullying would be allot worse if people thought they could post people's address but unlike you people know it's illegal.

If someone blasted my address on a billboard I could sue because I never gave permission privacy law's apply to everything.

Then why dont you just post the link to where you got this info or name the law.Why are you not willing to say you KNOW why the OP edited as opposed to what you think may have happened.

I am curious how you would KNOW...Did you get this information from Chad himself,maybe from Josh?

So back to the legalities of posting an address...

I'm quite sure it isnt called the "at my college its a no no law" so hopefully there must be some place to check it...No?

If there is such a law I happen to think its a good thing but as you are unable to offer any information I STILL do not know if there is.
edited to clarify my statement that it would be a good thing- I meant a case of posting phone numbers and address's of someone you are arguing with...NOT of a business ( or what is represented as one)


Its nice that you are so concerned about my health but dont worry...I am quite well thanks.

I can understand why you may be hesitant to answer my question asking if what you posted about the OP and why he edited was just what you think...or something you know but dont worry about that either...I am quite sure I know the answer.

Have a good day

Belle

btw...I admit that I am completely ignorant of this law...but then I wasnt the one saying it existed ...was I.

I'd like a link to this law as well as I'm not familiar with it

Surely, you jest? Else I can see a lot of people with grudges going into a thread started by a person they don't care for and posting the address of whomever is being discussed. What if a bot comes through my thread and posts links to illegal narcotics?

Wherever you received that from, it doesn't hold water. It would never hold up in a court. It wouldn't even make it to court.

Also, the person who did post the [outdated] information took it from WhitePages.com. I'll repeat that: White Pages dot com. You mentioned information in a phone book was okay to pass along, but the site he/she used was nothing but the online equivalent of a phone book. A public record. According to what you said, that makes it okay, but if it's illegal to post that information shouldn't it be illegal for that site to provide it to him/her?

Wouldn't it also be illegal for whois sites to display registry information, like the old netbux.org registry information which was exactly the same as WhitePages.com's was? Oh wait, it's actually a requirement that domain registry information be provided to the public by the registries. Not only that, but it can also be disseminated at will, unless the registry has terms to the contrary - and even that isn't a "law," plus I've never seen it applied to .org TLDs, usually tiny ccTLDs.

In either case, the information has already been made public, and if the person has a gripe he has to take it up with the one that took it from private to public, not public to public. And the person who made the thread in which another person took it from public to public after it had been taken from private to public?

Curiously, why no concern over all of the other cases of personal (public) information attained in the same manner and posted on this same forum?

Finally, as you can clearly see, there is no "legal" problem. There is a safety concern that I am taking as legitimate, and thus, not participating in discussion of this site. I know too much about Internet "wackos" not to take it seriously.

So, I wish you all well.

Josh

I think it sucks that you should even have to be concerned for your safety in a situation like this. I respect your decision to silence yourself, I just wish that you weren't put in a position to have to make that kind of decision in the first place.

Who/Whatever is behind this decision you've made should be ashamed of themselves. Not that they will be, the cowards that they are. So intent to scam that they're willing to silence others. Gee, how noble.

I really can not understand your mentality you guys...You try to pull down a programme that STILL PAYS!!Is this normal?

Also this site is a pay per click site,that only bother 6-7 minutes from my time to click the e-mails.I do not invest anything from my pocket there.So why are you talking about a financial lose??!!

Soon or later 90% of the programmes turns to scam.Do you thing is it right start accusing a programme that still pays that it will turn to scam soon or later?

All these have no sence to me....

Ok, let me try to come up with an analogy (comparison) that might explain why so many people are so upset about this new program. Imagine if you will... a couple of years ago, a new clothing store (let's call it e-mart) came to your town. The prices were good, the store was fun to shop at, and you even joined their 'rewards program' - so that you earned cash back with every purhase you made. After a few weeks, you placed an order and paid in advance for a set of work clothes from this store. All of a sudden, the store disappears - gone is your reward program money, and gone is the money you paid for your work clothes - your clothes never arrive and you never receive a refund of your money.

Fast forward to 2 years later, the same owner from e-mart opens up a new computer store (let's call it i-mart) - he has never paid you your rewards program money, refunded your money for your work clothes, or given you the clothes you ordered. All of a sudden, all your friends and neighbors are shopping at i-mart and think it's the greatest store to ever hit town. The prices are good, people can order computer supplies and the orders are even being filled - everything is great with this new store.

So what do you do? Just say 'forget it, he stole money from me, but I can forgive?' Or do you get upset, want your money back, and have him close his new store at least until he's paid up on his old debts?

That's a loose comparison, but maybe it helps explain why people feel so strongly about this program that 'is still paying and hasn't scammed anyone yet.'

I'm not saying for certain that this is the same owner, but there is strong proof indicating that he is one and the same. I think that might explain why so many people are concerned about this new program. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not gonna google search the law but anybody knows this a guy on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYTeLwjVoqE even talks about why youtube takes down videos when a address is mentioned. It is against the law to display somebody's address on the net and they can sue anybody they is responsible i'm in college so I know people can get in trouble allot of internet stuff. I ask people do you honestly think there is no law to protect people's information for getting spread around? It's hard to believe that people would think there is no law to protect people and there information. It is a known thing by most people that it's something you can get sued over so thing's just take common sense to know.

That video I ran across it about 3 days ago with the hole daxflame & greenteagirlie nonsense if you don't do video's on youtube you might have no clue what i'm talking about. That is not the first time several people have been banned then it was found out it was because divulged personal information. It happened with lonely girl also once it was found she was fake people got ###### off and put here family's info on there.

*Edit* Also want to say do you think if your friends address was put online and they messaged the admin and said i'll sue do you think the admin would say so what there's no law against that? No they wouldn't because even without seeing a law people know you can get in trouble for that. The problem here is people wanting to act like you can't get in trouble about it because it's a scammer. A scammer or not does not change privacy of someone and there family. If someone posted your address where you lived with your kids first thing you would do is take legal action or maybe it's not a problem for you.

That makes no sense i'm in college with a course on ethical hacking which deals with allot of internet safety concern's but you just a average joe on the net. I could see if you put your real name somewhere on the net or something else but other then that all you have done is post information about this site. There has to be some other side because right now it sounds like a copout for something else. This is the net not a high profile case with you in witness protection and you don't testify because of your safety. If all you have done is post this information it's hghly unlikely your safety is at risk. If someone had your ip that would be a hole different case because they could do allot of thing's to put your safety at risk.

And you know they dont have his name or IP ?.

Why do you insist on pretending to KNOW all this stuff when it is obvious you do not.

Yes I agree that it is 100% wrong to start posting personal information and yes I would expect my address to be removed by admin...but I would expect this because it is unethical and dangerous..NOT Because of any supposed law.

If a person runs a website which is "supposed" to be a business are you saying I would be charged if I posted their name and address ( which is a matter of PUBLIC record ) because if so..you are wrong.

You continue to bring college into it. Colleges do not make laws and Ethical Hacking ( whatever THAT is) has to do with ETHICS...not laws. Also this discussion has nothing to do with "hacking"

Belle

You assume both that my posts could not show any information about me and that nobody reading these forums knew who I was personally before this event. One, the other, or both are mistakes, I'll tell you that much. If you think by writing I'm going to tell you exactly what the concern is, don't bother. The last thing I would want is to have the same concern from an "ethical hacker" backing Chad French, although, honestly, your post shows me that you likely know very little about those matters.

Also, your response to MenaC totally ignored the facts that I mentioned in my last post, including that the info posted by someone in this thread was take from the White Pages. "Privacy" does not apply to information that is by nature not private. If you knew the very basics about Internet safety, privacy laws in general, or even word definitions, you would know that.

Maybe you could let the people who still want to be involved in this conversation (not me) continue it, and start a new thread somewhere if you're concerned about his outdated address and phone number being posted. That's how forum topics usually go. I'm a little surprised this kind of deflecting hasn't been moderated.

Josh

This is what I have been thinking. There is more to this than we have heard.

Hi 24seven,

It is quite simple. It is highly unlikely to be sustainable.

When a person clicks they get paid 1 cent but also their referrer gets paid 1 cent. This is how I explained it in a reply on a blog:

so you get paid 1 cent per page view and your referrals get paid 1 cent per page view. That works out to $10 CPM(cost per thousand for new readers to the ad world) for the Program owner and his referral and up to $20 CPM for everybody else(since, if you are not referred by the PO someone gets paid a cent for every page you surf. If you are referred by the PO then he saves the penny he pays to your referrer though he could still pay it to himself).

That isn't even including server and administration costs.

What advertiser in his right mind would pay over $20 CPM for people to look at his page? That seems way too high to me. I can get entire page views for under $5 CPM without thinking and I am not an advertiser





They may find a few sucker advertisers up front to pay dumb amounts of money but at some point that money will dry up when the results don't come from the site. Unless they change their commission formula people will not be paid IMO.

Let me say that when I came on this site today I expected a more heated debate to this topic with many more people defending this unsustainable scheme. To see so many people shoot it down right away(I hope the only reason wasn't because of the owner) really makes me proud to know that our industry has grown in maturity and wisdom over the years. Not only will this add credibility but fewer new participants will get burned and thus they may actually stay longer than it takes to burn 100 bucks out of their wallet. Until we can prove that we will only support good companies and until those companies stop scamming people for the quick buck then we don't deserve the time and effort of new participants. The proof is starting to get into the pudding

What post? Did I talk about ways to hack people? That part make's nosense unless your going by the fact i'm awful at punctuation ...lol. What your saying still doesn't add up to your safety being at risk this is no fbi matter even if someone did no you personally. You don't have to tell anybody what you don't want to but, anybody with a brain can tell none of it adds up to a safety risk to put you in danger. I could be wrong maybe your life is at danger over calling a site a scam I suggest we all watch are back's now . Lastly saying what someone knows little about from them only mentioning it is like telling a burger king employee they can't flip bugers when all they said is they work at burger king. I can say I program in C#,VB.NET,Delphi,asp.net,c++, & have my A+ cert but other then saying it what did I tell you?

The last part was just me bragging on myself since I passed my comptia A+ test last week on my first try . I know nobody cares but i've told everybody else why not post in on the net to ...lol. I am now going to watch the nfl draft today hoping jr goes as the #1 pick instead of brady quinn.

*Edit* Also want to add that thanks to this site is how I was able to take my test to get my cert. If it wasn't for finding about ptsu site's I would have never had enough extra money to pay to take the test.



Allot of other people think that also but don't want to sound rude, I thank it's great he posted the information. I also think at the same time since it's gone and new people to the tried can't read it + the excuse of it just doesn't add up. A friend of mine says he think's it was a pay off because the thread's can't be deleted but the post could be. New member's coming only see the post but not the hard evidence that were posted earlier and for most that's not enough to convince them to quite a program that most people report being paid from.

That is just my 2 cent's nobody has to agree with it but this is a forum and that is what a forum is for to voice my opinion's.

So you don't think it's possible for a person to receive threats from the person(s) they exposed? This kind of thing happens all the time in this industry. You get a member of a program who gets fed up with the behavior of a PO, and they choose to post their concerns on the forums. The PO then retaliates against the member by deleting their account, confiscating their earnings, imposing fines, and so on.

I have no doubt that a big scammer being exposed would be capable of making threats to a whistle-blower. Whether that person chooses to take those threats seriously is entirely up to them. Obviously, Josh had a reason to retract his statements on this AdBux issue. Whether anyone else feels that his reasons are justified is irrelevant.

Perhaps anyone with a brain can tell it doesn't add up, but anyone who knows to use that brain also knows that there are many ways people can be hurt severely and in various ways through internet. And that doesn't necessarily include physical harm. Internet is in no way different from the real world when it comes to retaliation, in fact it's a lot worse because of the lack of legal resources as well as proper legislation.

In the adbux upgrade package, how many paypal aup violations are in here?

""- Earn $0.015 (that's 50% more per click) for every website you visit
- Earn $0.015 (that's 50% more per click) for every website your referrals visit
- Earn commission on referred advertisers
- Earn $5 anytime one of your referrals upgrades
- Earn $9 anytime one of your referrals purchases un-referred users
- View detailed stats of your downline and contact them via an un-moderated website messenger
- Private access to an official AdBux forum
- Become beta testers and the "first to be invited" to upcoming AdBux programs
- Become a "Verified AdBux Buyer" which indicates to advertisers that you have buying power (which means more ads to click!)
- More to be added...""

It's not ready yet, but it is being sold right now, for a reduced price for advanced purchasing.
should at least result in some more paypal payouts, long as they Have a paypal account anyways.

Are they getting desperate for cash already?

That is often a bad sign when they offer new programs or special packages to keep people spending more money.

I've been seeing so much buzz about Adbux. I see the ads popping up in my PTR's email. Theres ALWAYS a thread about it here. It appears they have plenty of affiliates. I cant believe all the controversy about this place. So, has anyone been paid yet? I'm keeping a healthy distance from adbux for now.

People have been paid yes, but for how long will this continue?

I was paid in 48 hours from AdBux.

Weither they pay or not does not matter as long as he not paid all the people he scammed at netbux.

People see a paying program and there gonna use it till it stops paying only difference here is they know most likely what's coming instead of being blindsided. It is the same way with people and there debate on searching ptr sites arecheating you can tell member's this but there making money so the opinion's don't matter aslong as there getting paid. I know people find this hard to believe but that is the way it is people do ptr for 1 thing and that's money no matter who it is paying. I realize we have a few that do thing's differently but most could careless when there hearing about people getting paid.

Adbux is not paying since 26th April

That may be the case for some, I do alot of searches because I know its what makes the programs work, And I am sure there is alot of other people that "DO" care as well.. We live in a world of "Greedy" people, Get used to it and stop complaining.. As for Adbux, I thought that was the thread to discuss in here, Not determining weather people do searches in there ptr's or not. its pure speculation on your part. have a great day!!!!

LOL... I've defended search ptr sites so what are you talking about? My response was to the fact that the people here are going to stay with it aslong as it pays people regaurdless. My response was to someone stating about netbux which the owner scammed people with before. I don't care if someone does searches so how was I complaining? I was only making a point related to the netbux/adbux comment someone made. I am still a member of 3 or 4 ptr search sites so obviously you misunderstood my post or just skimmed threw it and made a fast reply.

I got paid yesterday. (again)

Do you have to upgrade to get paid?

The Eastern time Zone in the US includes all or part of the states of. . .

* Connecticut
* Delaware
* Georgia
* Florida
* Indiana
* Kentucky
* Maine
* Maryland
* Massachusetts
* Michigan
* New Hampshire
* New Jersey
* New York
* North Carolina
* Ohio
* Pennsylvania
* Rhode Island
* South Carolina
* Tennessee
* Vermont
* Virginia
* West Virginia

No

Thank you very much.I didn't see anything about it in the site but wanted to make sure.

today I signup adbux.org BUT I don't receive confirm email signup.

You might need to use a different mailbox.I used gmail.


edited to add,this is from their FAQ about what to do if you dont get a confirmation email.HTH


I joined but I haven't received a confirmation e-mail yet!
If you do not receive a confirmation e-mail within 1 hour of joining, you need to contact us and request to have us manually confirm your account. This happens because some e-mail providers tend to block or filter our e-mails. The biggest ones are Hotmail, MSN and Yahoo. If at all possible, we recommend joining using a different e-mail provider then the ones previously mentioned. Services like Gmail, ISP e-mail accounts and your own website e-mail work the best.

Yep. I noticed that too. Wonder if they are encountering problems earlier than expected.

Check your spam box if you have one. I used Gmail and the first couple e-mails went to the spam mail section until I told it that it wasn't spam.

They have now raised the payout to $10.00.

On the site

05/01 - I know - I know. We're behind on payments and other things... the reason for this is because of the sheer volume of users that we have. We just processed 212 payments from the past 3 days and have 140 more to go. Therefore... because of this issue - we've increased the minimum payout to $10 with a payout time of up to 3 business days. We really want to get some other features started on the site but the payouts (including auditing accounts before the payout) is causing huge delays so we think this will lift the burden.

I (personally) know that a lot of you are probably sick of clicking on the same links everyday. This will soon change when our new advertising system goes up. We feel it will attract hundreds of advertisers!

A security exploit was discovered and has been patched. Please make sure your profile information is up-to-date and we recommend that you change your password every so often and make sure that it's a hard one to guess!

Lastly, keep telling people about AdBux! We have one AdBux member who's earning around $70 a day through referrals!

Could this be the fastest PTR failure of all time?

oops?

To a 3.4 cent a pop paid to be traffic audience ? Have you considered giving one of the early '60's antipsychotics a go at that ? just a thought.

It rivals netbux.




He doesn't need to worry about that. He still needs to make payments, send referral reserve sets, make the upgrade features, upgrade all the accounts, and possibly other things, before he gets the new advertising system up. Oh... it's coming. See, by 2058, 3.4 cents will be nothing.

Josh