Everyone is quick on the draw to shout down autosurfs and hyips. It's very negative. Yes, most of them are just pure gambols with very little other revenues.

Right, get over that... now its time to see the flip side of the coin. What do you think it takes to run a proper Autosurf?

I think one that does have actual multi money streams. AGLOCO could be a paid to surf program that fits this.

When a merchant buys from the factory he multiplies the price on retail. When a merchant buys from wholesale he does likewise.

The difference is no product. Having a product that sells is another way to go !

bottom line, you can't run an honest autosurf.

I believe we have seen time and time again the so called honest autosurfs close up shop and run.

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No investing, try revenue sharing. Or selling back credits.
Accept most PTPs and have an attractive credits price (like 10c/1000). If your autosurf will also have anticheat and ability to set unique hits (like 24h, 12h uniques) it should get some advertisers buying credits.

Indeed Chaos but most owners want big money very fast and choose for the ponzi-option unfortunately

I know two honest autosurfs:
Nomoreclicking: Even free members can earn 5 cents every 12 hours for surfing 100 credits. Payout may be requested at 4.99 $+. Payouts are done at the beginning of each month

Dauersurfen: German autosurf without investing, too. Every month 44,000,000 credits may be used to earn (the rest for own advertising). At the end of each month the wm adds up his revenues and sets the payrate for the points. Minimum payout is 7.50 €.

The most important point for me to consider an autosurf "honest" (except that it's paying) is that the wm makes real revenues from outside sponsors and not only uses his members upgrades. You may see if that's so if free members are able to earn money as well as upgraded members - and if they are doing this for long term.

Agloco doesn't ask members to put in any amount from $10 to $10,000 and receive a percentage based on what they paid. If more autosurfs followed that they might be less likely to crash so badly.

There's some investment autosurfs that are saying they are working on a profit share mode, but they are no different to any of the other investment autosurfs. None of them pays out more than comes in per month, that would be doing the impossible, it builds up in your account. It also builds up in your account in these so-called profit share sites because they are offering to pay you more than 100% of what you put in, so they will just take longer to pay you back, like a bubble game, until it finally collapses because fewer people will pay in knowing that they will hardly get any money back each month and it will take years to get even the 100% back.

Wagdoll,

Your usually spot on (if I recall rightly) I'm not to sure about Agloco. To begin with they are a private registered company so the marketing is a bit false. There are some very interesting bloggers producing good due diligence on Agloco. All is not what it seems. I won't post the links here in case they get removed. I believe that autosurf/hyips have now got to raise external cash because the money is just not there to ponzi large scale. Each autosurf has to find a new product or service to raise external cash. One could say that at the industries darkest time some webmasters might now really break through with proper external money flows from elsewhere. Question is when they start to roll in external money would they bother to raise debts with members paying high interest?

Good question, it doesn't seem to make sense to do that.

I don't know what Agloco will be like in practice, but the basic model without the floatation seems sound enough. Most of the people starting autosurfs or other GPT sites would not have the finances to float and would have to ignore that anyway.

Wagdoll,

I think we traders are looking at Agloco like sharks swimming around before a frenzy. Agloco seems to be run by salesmen using NLP and turning negatives into positives, using tie downs and embedded commands, mirror matching, time distortion and the rest of those tactics. It works well with average Joe. They are not traders.

Let me give you another traders opinion:



Personally, I can't wait for this company to go live.

I think safe one will be offer 2% daily, and tell member that you do not really need their money to make your self more money.

like 2% daily surf 20 sites a day

max payout will be 110% within 90 days (therefore 55 day will be earliest payout.

During that time doing some forex trading to backup the resource. (you should able to do 10% profit a day at less)

I don't know a lot about share trading but the quote sounds spot on to me. The site is based in the bubble of the late 80s and it sounds like they are trying to recreate something from those days, something with many $ signs on paper but little or no substance in reality.



If you can make 10% a day from forex, why would you pay 2% to members of an autosurf and deal with ever increasing debts to counter your profits? The debts in the autosurf will keep rising, while the profits will be based only on a percentage of your initial investments as you would not place all your eggs in one basket but trade only partial amounts of your total. Some parts might make 10% a day, others would not. You'd have enough trouble balancing that out each day without paying out 2%, not of your profits but of the total amount invested in the autosurf which is totally different.

If you had an investment that was making you 10% a day on parts of $1,000,000, would you take on a debt of $1,000,000 rising at 2% a day guaranteed and rising with each new investment? They are two separate things, there's no joining point, one only detracts from the other. The debts you make in the autosurf do not help with the trading, they only take your profits and more. At $1 million in each I would estimate you'd be giving half your profits from the forex to the autosurf, but why? And before you open your autosurf you have to have the million already trading successfully, if you wanted to give away half your profits, wouldn't there be other things you could spend them on?

First answer will be using other people's money to make money. since forex is too easy.

It's not like unable to make 10% a day. you have a lot of chance daily maybe 200% of profit or more is possible

since each spending will have max 10% of debt in some case you don't have debt. you should be able to cover up the debt just within one day of trading. and you have tons of time to make that 10% within 7 weeks.

So if you want to using other people's money to make money it's up to you.

As long as you know which indicator work best. you will able to make more then 20% a day. therefore just if you making 20% a day that will be more then 1000% of profit or more after 7 weeks.

And since each pip will be 0.8% to 1% therefore you are very easy to cover up the debt

Note. a lot of trader they making more then 50% a day or even 500% a day depends on how much time they are spending to do trading.

Sorry, No Point for Paid To Surf, I find out two indciator work best. therefore daily 100% profit is too easy. therefore no point for to open one

This is absolute nonsense. Unless the trader takes enormous risks (which will end up in a bankruptcy one day or another) traders never make that much on the Forex-market.

Nope, if you able to using indicators to help you idientified the trend. there is no risk at all.

March 22. that was the day I try to using one indicactor and just test with paper money. win every time at less you can have 2% of profit every time.

During the Friday around 5 hours before closing and you can make more then 30% profit is very good. and the indicator that I using does do the trick.

If you really want to learn just pm me for information

Since all the borker have margine call therefore worst possibility is you loss your margine.

For Example if you using $100 to do the trade and your account have $1000 then the worset possiblity is you loss $900 dollars. but that is very unlikely if you know how market goes.

And all the price will comming back as long as you have enough margine you are fine. Just do not know when it will coming back. that's all


Offcouse I do not recommand anyone to play gbp/jpy pair at beginning.

As yesterday (March 30). I make 9% of profit (account$300, using $200 making $28) that is the time when I was sleepy.

I will decided if I will have time. and if I do very will in trading, then what is the point. like 100% profit daily, then what is the point to setup the site.

Yes I am out of PTR, PTC soon

For Example if you using $100 to do the trade and your account have $1000 then the worset possiblity is you loss $900 dollars. but that is very unlikely if you know how market goes.


I agree with you because you've added the text that I've copy/pasted.

Always keep in mind that 90% of all people that try Forex end up with $0.

Just do few test on the indicator, 1% of profit every time that is at less gureenteed.

I do know why most of new forex trader get killed. will include my self before.

Most of trader they chace the trend. eventurly got killed as they want more profit, and do not want to using stop loss.

sometimes just 20% of profit is good enough in active time. however, as you think it will keep going. just secure your profit. let the things do the work. because worest is that you will got the secure profit.

Yes Forex trading is very risky business. if you do not know how to do it. As all the newbie want to get more profit, therefore they do not go with safe pair (eur/usd). but go after gbp/jpy.

If newbie go after gbp/jpy and they do not know the trend. they can get kill quite easy. thes pair could give you more then 200% profit a day or more. but offcouse, you could loss that much too.

Note: eur/usd only have 2 to 3 pip spreed, and gbp/jpy have 9 pip spreed

eur/usd less profit (but more secure), and gbp/jpy more profit and more risky too.

Oh one more thing since trader go after gbp/jpy risky pair, even if they know they do not using stop loss to secure their profit, therefore sometime they want more profit (be greedy) so they think the trend will keep going, but when the trend go another way. trader could loss money too. (do not know how to using stop loss to secure your porift)

And they using way more margine then they should like 80% of margine. If trader want to using that much, must know where the trend is going. otherwise. 75% of time is lossing money. (Not enough money to cover up the margine)