So now i am speaking out and when i finish here, i am going to the boycott forum whose names has suddenly slipped my mind. LOL I joined the half century club on friday hopefully i will be forgiven !!!

The same thing just also happened in greenletter,I request payment for over 3 months ,but never got any reply,I also post thead in his surrpot forum,also no reply,I hate scam,hate greenletter,hate will ,a biggest cheater

yes ol' venom he has been banned from here if I'm not mistaken... I'm sorry that you have had trouble with that guy, he has scammed alot of ppl and isnt a nice person, he even uses threats and such tatics just like a couple of others that i have had the unfortunate mistake that I have had to deal with... I wish u well in all yourindevears! There are alot of us nice and respected, hard working webmasters that are out there, unfortunately with all the good there are some bad!

If you somehow think you have been cheated by GreenLetter. send me and email directly.  I just finished paying out over $1200.00 for April Payouts.  Something a "cheat" never would do.  And if you "Hate" Greenletter, why Are you a member - since you hate us so much, just say the word and I will be happy to delete your account.  Otherwise, send me the information and I wil look into it for you.  I will also post the results in this thread as well.  I'm really tired of these slanderous memberst of GPF making accusations that they cannot back up!

BTW Jailuka - you didn't request a payment this month - you have enough in your account if you want to - or maybe you are saving for an ad or something.

Peace and Love to ALL
WILL

I'm from china,I jioned maifest and greenletter one months ago,and I work hard and advertise for it,now I had 68 referers and 6.7$ total earnings in mailfest and 22 referers and 6.9$ in greenletter.Now it all lose,Wm can change the term when he want,it's unfair,I'm so sad,everyone should know who is the biggest cheater!

Would someone like to post a list of all the sites he owns for those of us that are not aware of them?

Curly

This guy IS from a banned country - but he is lying about his "close to cashout" and tons of referrals - this guy had around 7 referrals and total earnings of around $3.00

My policy has been that as long as someone from a banned country is going to be deleted, and they are close or over cashout - I pay them anyway - it's just the fair thing to do.

WILL

Hyper, you are FAR from a hardworking WM. You are far from RESPECTED as well. I dont think you are aware what the word respect is since you dont show that same courtesy to people who are willing to help you weed out cheats.

I will point out you even delete people from your site even if they havent cheated on your site.

Hyper, you are FAR from a hardworking WM. You are far from RESPECTED as well.

I dont think you are aware what the word respect is since you dont show that same courtesy to people who are willing to help you weed out cheats.

Oh my starting things all over again huh? well let me clue u both in... I am respected more so than u or your other self may wish to think! Anways... that is your opinion and u are welcome to it, but I must tell ya.. the only complaints that i have heard is from your and your other self!



Actually I do know it and trying to help me weed out cheats? Hmmmmm since when did I ask for the help that U decided that to \so call try and give? I haven't deleted your other selfs account which I should I don't know any other webmaster that would even think twice about it! He would have been long gone without a word period....

Oh yeah before I close and dismiss this AGAIN and you 2 AGAIN, I have to say that the email that u sent saying that PMRN apologized for call him a cheat... Bulls**t... U might better talk with her... or maybe u were just dreaming of it or something... I have talked with her and she said basically that you were having a wishful thought.,..lol. Besides, This is a dead subject and I dont feel the need to lower myself to ya'lls standards... lol... which aren't as high as you would believe... see I heard things also... besides I can see things for myself... and u two are the only ones that i have seen either complaining or taking up for each other... how convient and also, I definitely don't need anyone standing up and defending me... I have paid who has asked for payment, and I can prove it... I don't see complaints coming up every day or two about dollars as I have greenletter and alot of others... Hmmmm... Now have a great night and good bye!

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anyone see a pattern here? everytime anyone has ever said anything about Will in this message board, he, she or it is quickly coming to his defense. so either you're sleeping with him or you even might be him. why else would you take out so much time in your day to post numerous messages in his defense unless you have an interest here.


As to your PERSONAL attack, which isnt warrented and is being reported.

Take note of the emails from that email account within the above post. You might JUST find that I live in Australia and NO where near Will Hopkins.

I will also point out this pm here:

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It's Will from GreenLetter/MailFest - is there anything that can be done about the 2 WM's that are trying to trash me? They bothe cheated me out of earnings (see my response) and you have come to my defense before (always appreciated :-)) - You know I am honest and not some kind of cheat. Any help you can give would be appreciated.....
WILL



Take note he came to me asking for my help due to it being know by many on here that I am good at what I do.

So YOU who likes to hide behind hosting companies, why dont you provide information on just who you are?

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Because how do we know you are WHO you claim to be.

I don't have any control over my internet service. I pay a monthly fee for it and that's about it.
so that's irrelevant. I don't know what country you live in but I live in America and here we have freedom of speach. This is a public message board and it's my understanding that people are intitled to their opinions and may discuss them freely. Otherwise what is the point of all this. people have said far worse things in here than that I'm sure.

You can ask any of my members about the problems with the referral links. I had to manually verify hundreds of accounts because the referral links were just not working. This was one of the bugs that came with my system. I too was able to sign up for test accounts just fine. but many people were not.
I didn't ask any questions, I just verified them.

How can you be so sure that he did not cheat? Simply having an online relationship with someone is not enough to judge their character. I thought he was a wonderful person when I met him and he probably is. But that's besides the point. the fact is that several in his downline are not valid. I have to do what is in the best interest of my business and my other members.

I may have acted in haste by accusing him. It was more out of anger than anything. I'm new and I didn't know there could be any other explanation than this. Mysticalseller and TCC are the only 2 to have accounts like these. My referral bonus winner had close to 200 referrals and not a single one was like this.

I started this business to make a profit, that's what business is all about.

Neither one of these webmasters would accept accounts like these and have probably deleted accounts for much less.

I apologize Will if I have wrongfully accused you but like I said before, I cannot afford to pay for referrals that are of no benefit to me and my program. I had to delete more than 350 accounts which was very frustrating and time consuming. I would much rather spend my time doing something else. I am a 33 year old mother of 4 sons, I work very hard for a living and I do this to help me to get by and I thought it would be an easy way to bring in some extra income (lol). The thought of someone taking advantage of me like this just made me angry.

Jaikula, you kept asking me to send you proof, but you should have been more clear about who you are and what your intentions were. don't just assume that everyone knows you. I have never stepped foot in one of these forums before now. I asked you more than once who you are and what you have to do with
this and you never once told me.
Now would you go out of your way to send information to someone who in your mind is just another message board poster? I think not!

If I signed up for either of these 2 programs and I had 200+ referrals and a huge percentage of them were bogus and inactive. I would not expect to be paid and I would unsubscribe myself. Anytime you pay an incentive for someone to join a program, you are going to have dishonest people trying to work the system.

A large majority of these accounts were from india and china and had userids like asdfgj or 123456 and profanities for first and last names. several were the same information duplicated over and over. I don't think that I should have to pay for the fact that you've made many enemies.

What is the point of you displaying the information about my web host and internet service provider? Is that supposed to scare me or something?
that proves nothing.

You apparently already had your mind made up about who was in the wrong here. How are you going to be a unbiased investigator if you're coming in here and immediately taking sides? No thank you, I have no use for your services.

I'm done posting here. I've made my decision.

What other webmasters have been required to provide proof to the public about an account deleted for cheating? that's the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Will and I may have been able to resolve this issue a lot better WITHOUT Jaikula's intervention.

I do not have to prove anything to you. you have no understanding of what is going on although I've been very clear.

With that said this is the last post I will be making. I have children and a ptr to take care of. 

"about the referrals for mysticseller","Apr 14 2003, 06:17 PM","Hyper","Hello, I can give ya the list very easily, and I shall .. also no I dont think that getting 200 referrals in 3 weeks is abnormal, but when the look like this:
ajkdhfs@adkjfj.com or the simular like
asdkjf@jo.lo.bbe with the real name like bill gates
and these are multiple accounts too, also being under the direct referral (1st tier) of the member what would u think? and yes when I have emailed some of these crazy adresses because of the profile info being totally either incomplete or totally missing then no reply and they haven't been active since either sign up and their member ID #40 asnd u have over 1500 members.. thats along time.., like i said out of these 200+ members that was bogus, almost 95% were/are under this persons first tier... and a good friend of mine noticed that in their 3 tier a huge jump overnight almost of 180 referals... and when I looked into this it was mysticseller's and another ones account that has all these screwed up accounts under them and there isnt any other member that has these type accounts just the 3 of them... belive me or not, but this isn't normal nor are these referrals... I'm honest and I don't have to prove myself, I don't mind showing proof of my words, however, this person hasn't lost their account and I could have "X-ed" it right then and I didnt nor did I take all there earnings, they still have $24 in their account.. but i doubt if anyone else would pay for the silly address referrals if it were them. Noone has to believe me, this isn't for me to worry about, thats on the person to believe or disbelieve.. I have alot of personal ads on Dollars too from other programs and I do have alot of signups with certain ones, but nothing like this person has... and it all being uner their name and I have talked to them about it b4.
You can always contact me I'm not that hard to find. and I also have referances as to my charter and honesty, if I was dishonest then 1) their account would be gone, it was just disabled! 2) I wouldn't pay any of my members at all, 3) I would just lie and get it over with...
One thing I had to learn & it was really a hard one too... the most trusted ones are the ones that can and will betray the quickest and deepest. I have been burned too many times and being just 'online' and not being able to know the person face to face makes it all that must easier to totally betray a trust! I'm not too worried about this person and them being a member or not... that is on them or anyone else that has to make a choice of being or not.. I dont like to have anyone being mad or whatever, however, they did lie on me and believe me I don't need their recommdations enough to "beg" for them to advertise or put in a "good" word for me. i know alot of ppl online that can do that for me without any asking... So that was a lie right there... it just takes one.. and if i hadn't already I do now.,. have a reason for not believing.... I will get the referral lists for mysticseller and post them.. I really dont care as I have said if anyone believes me or not.. the ones that do believe me are most that are still in Dollars... and oh yeah, up until now this person got paid every month on the first, just like all that should have, of course that wasn't mentioned.. It doesn't bother me if anyone believes me or not, the ones that i do care about I don't have to prove anything too.. soooo with this said I shall leave ya with this, I know that I'm telling the truth and I hope & wish u all well in all ya'll do.
Hyper"

"Sent: Re:about the referrals for mysticseller","Apr 14 2003, 06:32 PM","Jaikula","What it sounds like is someone is trying to get back at him for something, he might have deleted them from his program. Do you have their sign up IP's available. I can check if the IP's are open proxies or not.
But it sounds like someone has a grudge against Will for some reason.

Actually I do know it and trying to help me weed out cheats? Hmmmmm since when did I ask for the help that U decided that to \so call try and give? I haven't deleted your other selfs account which I should I don't know any other webmaster that would even think twice about it! He would have been long gone without a word period....

Hyper, you are FAR from a hardworking WM. You are far from RESPECTED as well. I dont think you are aware what the word respect is since you dont show that same courtesy to people who are willing to help you weed out cheats.

I will point out you even delete people from your site even if they havent cheated on your site.

i would like to say that i am a member of dollars4email and i have NEVER been scammed, banned, or cheated in any way by hyper. she is a very hard working person and webmaster and runs more than one site. she also has a job outside of the paid to read world, so being a webmaster is not her only source of income. just because she is not willing to accept your help in the greenletter affair does not mean that she is either disrespectful or lacking in courtesy. you yourself stated in a previous post that you had spoken with hyper in pm and she was "far from rude". and yes, she does delete people who have not cheated on her site --- for not abiding by the rules, which clearly state that you must log in to the site at least once per week.

now that i've gotten that off of my chest, can we all just stop the name calling, bad-mouthing and soap-opera antics???