GoodCheerClickin ARE A REALLY CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU DONT ACCEPT CHINESE MEMBER,
YOU SHOULD PAY FIRST!!!!!!!!!
AND ONLY AFTER THAT CAN YOU DELET US WITH YOUR OWN REASONS AND APPOLIGIZE
!!!!
YOU KNOW????

MY ID:uuio56

A lot of sites dont accept members from China and such countries due to the abuse of other cheaters.

Also, by signing up with a site, if they change their terms and such later on, you have agreed to the changes being made.

So they arent cheating anyone.

Maybe you should contact Welk1 directly via pm before you scream cheater as was replied you signed up with agreement of TOS and any changes there after. Welk1 is always willing to talk to his members.

I don't know welk1 personally, but he seems really nice when I have chatted with him over on another forum. You really should email him. I believe he would appreciate a chance to let you know what he is doing.

Why most people around here always had focus to China as the cheaters, and forget about all other cheaters who come in from another country. Every country have their own cheaters. no one can tell that his/her country 100% free from cheaters.
And they do not want to know why chinese people did like that. Is it because their habit? or just their conditions make their look

But it is really bad for me, I am from China.
I am not a cheater and I have never cheated, do you think it is fair to me?

this member joinned with a usa address

was tring to cheat honest members

welk1 admin of goodcheerclickin.com

but i joined with honest address, read and click honestly, and i wrote to you, no reply, you just delete my account.
Even i asked other chinese member do not request pay out for mini cents to reduce WB's work.

I joined this programe at the begining and I never asked for payout
I had about 0.2 there when WELK suddenly deleted all Chinese
.
I think these members who requested pay out for mini cents are lucky and they are right.
Because they had chance to get their money but I.......

For everyone complaining about deleting chinese ect

when you sign up read the tos

it usuyally says something to the effect of we reserve the right to change are terms at anytime

the reason webmasters are implementing this is thier are too many cheats especially for a no or low min program every scammer hurts to survive they have hadf to implement some drastic measures

but thats life its not always fair

Oh ... you mean you have to read those! LOL!

( sorry I had to say that)

billy:

I can not agree with you. Yes, WB has right to change the terms, but he/she can not damage honest members' benifits whatever from which country. " The right to change" can not be misused. For example, if i lauched a program, then I Change the terms min pay out up to 10000$ or I announce never pay to American or other country's people, can you accepted? I think the answer is " No", right?
"THE RIGHT" CAN NOT BE MISUSED.

For cheaters, I always believe they exist in everywhere including USA. WB has the responsibility to find them out in some ways such as send some test mail, even question mail or find multi-account person by tools But not delete a country simply

At the begining of the program launch, WB shall estimate what problems he will meet and which country is not allowed to join ( THIS IS RESPONSIBILITY OF WB, or he must take the all responsibility by himself ).

And if he really want to change to terms, he shall pay for all honest member who are from the country will be banned ( Repeat once again, I think WB also has the responibility for his wrong terms before)

[/QUOTE]WB has right to change the terms, but he/she can not damage honest members' benifits whatever from which country. " The right to change" can not be misused. For example, if i lauched a program, then I Change the terms min pay out up to 10000$ or I announce never pay to American or other country's people, can you accepted? I think the answer is " No", right?
"THE RIGHT" CAN NOT BE MISUSED.

For cheaters, I always believe they exist in everywhere including USA. WB has the responsibility to find them out in some ways such as send some test mail, even question mail or find multi-account person by tools But not delete a country simply

At the begining of the program launch, WB shall estimate what problems he will meet and which country is not allowed to join ( THIS IS RESPONSIBILITY OF WB, or he must take the all responsibility by himself ).

And if he really want to change to terms, he shall pay for all honest member who are from the country will be banned ( Repeat once again, I think WB also has the responibility for his wrong terms before[/QUOTE]
I think so

you have to accept it and thats the risk you take

china and india have the most cheats or it seems that way its unfair yes , but its a measure numerous programs have implemented to survive

as i stated earlier life isnt fair move on

Ok, since most WB have known that china an india have the most cheater, why not ban these country at the begining of the launch?

Can I think the reason is WB need chinese and india member to join to promote the program, so that WB can get more ads?

just my opinions.

why because welk is a fair guy tries and give every a fair shake ive heard of webmasters spending hours weekly just looking for cheats, and payouts

that isnt fair they dont make that much money

heres a thought if you dont like it write welk

hes a nice guy and has listened to every suggestion ive given

no attitude just the facts, and see if an arangement can be worked out

i will hope to put a end to this thread by saying...

the member that started this complaint joined with fraudluant info....said USA but this member is in china

and thats that, i hate liars

i will not tolerate cheating at all, and yes i scan for cheaters constantly but usualy masters catch them at cash out....

welk1

GoodCheerClickin is a great program!
I get emails everyday and I've been paid the day after I requested payout. GoodCheerClickin is not a SCAM and no one should post this kind of thread.

Any ways just wanted to say that I'm against the fact that a lof of paid to read programs are not allowing members from China and India, but its only for security reasons and on the internet its really hard to be fair when it comes to this.

YUP.. They do pay!!!! and very FASTTTTTTT

Yeah GoodCheerClickin is the best!

A lot of other sites never pay or pay too late. I was surprised to be paid so fast!

ty all for your support i try my best......

i reinerate the fact that the one that started this trread gave me a USA address when they join and they got caught, stripped and suspended...now embarrassed


i might be a new webmaster but ..look out im a good one....if my script dont tell me there cheating and lying my ip searcher will... and if you use a proxy ip look out.... your gonna be gone to and you can start another complaint thread against me...

im real

im live

im wannabes1s on yahoo

Here is my 2 cent in this wolrd of paid mail it is hard to make a decent living for webmaster and any penny they are cheated from is a penny we good member are cheated from to
I am member of many no minmum and i don't bother asking for payout until I have over 25 cent because while they take the time to payout penny they could take that tiem for other work

this person says why is wm on the back of our country my answer is why is it that so many wm catch so many people from your country yes all country have cheater on this point your tright but why so many from your country

EXACTLY


I HAD TO DELETE OVER 1000 MEMBERS TO CATCH 500.....THATS 50% SO BEST TO DELETE THE WHOLE COUNTRY IP'S THAN NONE

"it usuyally says something to the effect of we reserve the right to change are terms at anytime"


some people are saying good cheer clickin is in the right since they can change their tos to whatever they want, rite?


so are you people saying that if the ptr changes the terms to "we have the right to close down and not pay members" and then subsequently closes down and runs off with the upgrade fees and advertisement fees, that it is ok?

most of you would call this a scam.... but according to the people who are protecting the site, it is not.

In Spedia they say that they can change their terms at anytime. So in effect, they are not scamming, since they have merely changed the terms to "we will run off with the money and not pay you".

So let us protect spedia, let us protect 1heluva, let us protect all thos "scams" which were not really scam; they just changed their tos so that they can run off with the money. Is it immoral? probably. But its not wrong.

So is goocheerclickin immoral? YES! are they wrong? no, unless you call spedia and 1heluva cheats, then i guess you could call goodcheerclickin cheats as well....

<chuckle> I'm finding it a little humorous that no one has responded to the fact that the OP WAS CAUGHT CHEATING by welk himself. After being caught cheating he starts a thread here telling Welk he can delete him AFTER he gets paid!? ROFL!



The rule that just about every program, business, etc has in their TOS about "changing terms at any time, without further notice" isn't always fair. But it's there. If you signed up, and didn't read it...your bad.

It's one of those items that can be abused on one side, and yet be a lifesaver on the other. It's a very fine line.

Many programs now, are no longer allowing India and China as members...OR, they must get permission first. This isn't new. It didn't just start today. Welk isn't the only one doing it. That should say something, yes?

As far as him...or any other program allowing Chinese and Indian members at the start...well, like another poster said, maybe he wanted to give them a chance. Maybe he wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

What I do wonder about is some of these Chinese members coming here and trying to drag Good Cheer Clickin' down, WITHOUT contacting the webmaster first. I wonder how many of these cases are someone got MIGHTY miffed that they got caught cheating, and want to take it out on somebody.

I don't by any means think that all members from China and India are cheaters...not in the least! But how about if some of these Chinese and Indian members ran programs, and caught a majority of members from a certain country cheating? Would that NOT just tick you off a wee bit? Wouldn't it get tiring? Wouldn't you just plain get SICK of it?

::shrug:: I would too.

~ Ambrie ~

GoodCheer is a fun program...Welk1 is WONDERFUL (I am not only a member of his site, but a big fan...He is quick and responsive, prompts members to request payment, and I got paid, SAME day as request!!!!
True, not enuff to retire on (hehe) but a great program nonetheless, sorry it didn't work-out. try e-mailing him...I am sure you will receive a response...even if its not the one you wish!

Dollarsforclicks!!!

there is NO way welk1 is a cheat. in fact he is one of the best out there.

I have his site at the top of the list of sites I promote on my web page, and he did not get there by cheating me or being cheeking in emails to me.

he is an easy to get along with guy and there should be more like him !

I also have always had nothing but excellent dealings with welk1. He has paid me from his goodcheerclickin site twice already (each time within 24 hrs!), and he is VERY responsive to any e-mail I send him.

I have even appreciated his joke/search pages way before he started his own site. He has always worked hard to try to "give something" for my time to search for him instead of whining or making up some hardship story (I am not saying ALL hardship stories are fake, but some sure are - and evelyn turner asking for search so she can buy husband a table saw ... just ridiculous)

Hi,


Were all those Chinese people suddenly deleted without warning and without having their earnings paid (I do'nt mean the one who started the thread, the other ones) ?
I remember EmailsforMoney changing TOS as well about this, one of the only time they changed TOS, but they didn't do it rertroactively, they said from now on, no new users from such and such country, they didn't delete the earniongs from people who might have clicked honestly, it sounded as fair as possible to me. Is it that what happened here as well ?

And I also have always thought it was very funny when people yell scam everywhere ... like tobo3000 said, saying webmaster can change everything when he wants to makes tos completely stupid, a webmaster can change it and say in TOS, I change TOS, I will not pay anyone anymore and no-one could complain, TOS has changed and members signed for it ;-)

I used to think it made no sense and in my country those TOS would have no value, you can't have an agreement with someone where one of the contractors can change the entire contract unilaterally whereas the other has no right but shush :-))

That's again why I stick to some webmasters who I know won't cheat on their members ;-)

BUt still curious, were those people deleted just like that ? ;-)

No they was not removed without warning....I posted it for 1 week, But there was definitely an english language problem.

Most was paid there, 1-3-5 cents daily in e-gold. But it just got out of hand with multiple ip addys,proxy servers and unknown servers. Or useing fake addresses like adsf lkjh ...

I run a tight clean ship. I am not a cheat.

welk1
owner/operater goodcheerclickin

Anyone who knows welk, knows that he spends half the

day sending out 1 and 2 cent redemptions that are really

just a waste of time. Once or twice i was trying to get a

NPA in and had to make him stop doing redemptions so I

could get the ad in quick.

He's available almost 15 hours a day live on yahoo and

has always made his best attempt to answer me as soon

as possible. Can't tell you how many times i've waited

DAYS for an answer from some webmasters and how

many times i submitted NPA ads and they didn't go out

for a week! I owe my best downlines right now to Welk!

Anyone who really has a problem might try emailing him

or talking to him in yahoo, instead of posting in forums

without giving him a chance.

That's just my opinion

mare1213

And i left out one thing... Normally welk is on till midnight..

a few weeks ago i had a pre gold link coming to me.. and

he waited up to 3 a.m. to run the link for me (personally, i

would have gone to bed!) Got more sign ups in those

first few hours than in the past week and a half!

How many webmasters can you say that about?

mare1213

Thanks for answering, didn't say you were a cheat ... so, they had warnings and could cash out first ... so, the only thing they lost is their downline.

And thanks for your programme welk, I like it ;-)

Sophie

Welk is not by any means starting something new here. The majority of programs now have rules about members from China, India and Bangladesh. EVERY program has rules against cheating. Being from one country and saying you are from another is CHEATING!!!!

Welk tries very hard to run a good, clean program. Stripping it of cheaters benefits those of us who follow the rules. i agree it seems harsh to ban members from an entire country, but the fact remains, this is his program and he can do whatever he likes with it.

I had a couple of questions the other day and contacted Welk on yahoo. He responded to me immediately. I like him, I like his program and I wish everyone would just let him run it the way he likes.

yes, we agreed with the terms... had we another option?
yes, they reserve the right to make changes... everybody does it!
but... do you think is ethical to change rules without previously make it known to all members?
maybe they aren't cheating but they aren't being acting the most correct way with members!

well... what can he do with his program without members? Yes, it's his program and yes, we're the members that keep it running!
Thank God I'm not from a baned country...

well... it was my opinion until... be careful, I had bad surprises with this webmaster (he's trying to make a clean in the program but he cleans the blind way...

sorry sorry sorry
when I posted it I thought in another webmaster....in fact, I was thinking in CheeChong...
Welk1, accept my excuses
You're a great webmaster!