This was posted as a RainingCashemails admin message.

What is going on?

Administrative Message #16 - Important Updates
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As many of you know I am not one to ban websites. After yesterdays remarks from Suzanne with Sky-Mails and Pecomail "Rainingcashemails.com has been removed from the approved list and has also been added to the banned list. A week ago the site was running 0 iframes, which were removed, but now the site is running raunchy porn 3rd party advertising. I don't want to be subjected to this type of advertising and I don't want my members to be. If some other sites don't clean up their affiliate pages there will be more to follow in the coming weeks. I am tired of bad pages and PO's who don't care what is running on thier pages." an immediate ban is being placed. Not only did this owner make false accusations but has also banned without reporting the problem and has given all other websites a head up. I am not going to be playing with owners who want to play a game of any sort! It is you the members whom this all affects. If you read the terms and privacy it states "Do not in anyway try to bring harm to the site or any of its members publicly. I will, for the sake of the site and all of its honest, active and hardworking members, suspend or ban any member or website that I feel is deliberately posting to bring harm to either the sake of the site or its members. All bans and suspensions are for one year to life depending on your actions. " Wagdoll has reported that admedians non adult banner is causing problems, and immediately it has been removed from the ptp pages and she has been notified of it. To webmasters who take the time to communicate and resolve problems I thank you and support you.
Anyone promoting banned websites(spare-dollars.com, sky-mails.com.pecomail.com will have to contact me to change your ads are it will become suspended immediately.

Payout has been lowered to $5 and there is more good news coming so watch closely !

Dawn

What do you mean what is going on?

I am not even sure i completely understand but I guess I am just shocked to see Peco, Sky and Spare Dollars mentioned in this.

Obviously I missed something and probably overreacted..

I have the flu and should be staying out of forums and I think that is what I will do for a bit.

Belle

admin...feel free to delete this thread.

Is rainingcashemails running that type of ads?

Sorry you are sick belle. She banned Spare Dollars and my sites because we both banned her site. She was sent notices of the garbage on her sites by several of my members and other PO's. As of a few minutes ago the garbage is still on her sites. Instead of removing the garbage she choose to ban our sites and continue to run the ads.

She stated she removed the 0 iframes. It was removed long enough to have Spare Dollars look at it and then she put 123.ptp back on her site which is running 0 iframes again.

It is retailiation for banning her site.

Edited to add or should say it is tit for tat?

Yes and I have screenshots to prove it. One taken a few minutes ago I will not post them here as they are pornographic in nature. If they were mild I would not have said anything but one is a full frontal of croch and breasts. Others are just plain offensive. She is running Girls gone wild and HornyMates ads on the site. They are her 3rd party affiliates.

Thanks priestes

As I said I likely should have given more thought before posting but there have been so many crazy things going on lately that I just thought i would ask first.

Seeing those three sites banned just sounded so completely ridiculous.( and still does)


Belle

Thanks.I stopped ckicking any ptp ads for awhile because of so much porn.

December 2006 -
RainingCashEmails added to the banned list for running 0-iframes: Pic

(Reports of the 0-frames were made on Nov 02, 2006 & Dec 06, 2006)

February 07, 2007 -
Contact from owner asking to be removed from the list. The owner was
told: "I'll double check after and if all is well, will remove". The site was
checked, the page above came up blank (no 404 at that time), I couldn't
verify. Figured I would contact the owner tomorrow or when time allows.

February 08, 2007
I received notice that Spare-Dollars was banned on RainingCashEmails.
I contacted the owner and stated I could not verify the page was clean. I
was told: "You did not remove the ban and their is no reason to have the
site still banned. you said you would check it and didnt do your part" as to
the reason why I was banned. (Basically I was given 24 hrs to remove her)

Owner stated: "Common sense says if theres nothing on the page, theres
nothing to be seen." I then asked: "what is the URL for the paid to promote
page then?" she would not supply it. (I will NOT remove a site I can't verify).

February 08, 2007
A friend of the owner contacts me and supplies what I need. The PTP page
I then tried to view redirected me to 123-ptp which is also on my banned list.
I had another PO confirm this for me and she was also redirected to 123-ptp
which is also a 0-iframe cheater. The redirect was then removed and I was
able to view. The entire situation disturbed me, the banning of my site within
24 hours, the way I was spoken to, and the fact that I was redirected to more
garbage, I decided it was best if I just wait & watch this site before I remove...



As I've been watching this site, I have seen "full" nudity running on the PTP
pages, even after it was stated that it had been removed, (Just a recently as
today a matter of fact). I've also seen the 123-ptp banner on the PTP pages,
(as recent as 02-16-07) a 0-iframe cheater that was stated was "completely"
removed from the site. Most links for this can be found on my banned page
(not the full nudity pics), other links to proof will be provided upon contact.



As I stated on the proof page:

It's my duty to verify all information before a site is placed on the banned list and
also verify all information when a site is to be removed. I do this in order to run a
clean site. Simply put, the banned list is a way to "help" protect all members and
their computers! In NO way should a banned list be used as a tool of revenge!


My apologies to Spare-Dollars affiliates, that our site was banned at RainingCashEmails.
Any affiliate affected by this ban may contact me via the site contact page for a free ad.

After having made the original post I felt that I had jumped the gun but I am now glad that it was made.

I am sure there are others who were surprised to see Peco,Sky and Spare-Dollars on ANY banned list but some may not ask and THAT is how stories/misunderstandings begin.

Thank you Kim and Priestes for your replies and explanations. You are very right...a banned list should not be used for revenge.

I hope it will be changed.

Belle

Belle nothing is petty to ask. If you don't ask you don't know why something is being done.

If it had been one ad or a couple days I would not have banned the site but it had been reported repeatedly and the ads were still running on her site. I don't feel my members should be subjected to raunchy trashy ads and I for one am sick of seeing them on sites and PO's saying they took care of it and they haven't. If they cant run the ad down then they need to pull the affiliate Period.. No if's and's or but's.. Plain and simple. And if they can't their sites won't be promoted on my sites.

I am not saying I agree or disagree with anything here, but the horny one is coming through a 3rd party affiliate, that one was from admedian. Like all the other sites who have had these adult ads through this network they did have the adult filter ticked, but the ads came through anyway.

I wrote to her to tell her, saying I thought it was admedian and giving the code, and she wrote back saying she removed a different affiliate. I wrote back to say they are still there, but have not heard anything from that yet. I didn't know it was still there today, I did a few refreshes and that banner space was empty for me. I am not saying it was not there for anyone else, I fully believe it was now I have seen this, only that I didn't get it.

I can say I can see why you and Spare-Dollars have banned this site.

Her playing the tit for tat game is VERY childish. Clean up your site, what is so difficult about that, instead of banning 3 very clean,honest and paying sites. It makes NO sense whatsoever.



Belle, so sorry you are sick. Get Well soon

I will be more then happy to provide anyone screenshots who wants to contact me privately. I have a number of them taken in the last couple days from the site.

Edited to add that the porn links were more prevelant on the ptp pages but were on the advertising page and front page side links which I assume she is running the same coding on the footer.php.

This is sad. I have never seen any porn ads on Priestes' sites and I am a member of 2 of them. I am not a member of either spare-dollars or RainingCash, so I can't say anything about them.

Unfortunately, if any PO is offended by a removal from a program and retaliates rather than fixing the problem, we will continue to have growing difficulties in PTP/PTR.

Notification to a PO of an issue should be appreciated rather than taken as offensive.

When I worked in home health, we were told: "You should be thankful for complaints. The people that complain are giving you a chance. For every one complaint, there are at least 50 others that simply won't utilize your services ever again and you will never know why."

I applaud those who are trying so hard to clean up PTP/PTR. Thank you.

I don't have a problem with advertising adult sites as long as you notify your members when they sign up. I'm assuming this program doesn't. But what really got me are these two parts:



Couldn't a valid complaint be considered "bringing harm", as seen in this situation, or should members just keep their mouths shut when something happens against the supposed TOS?

And webmasters that try to resolve problems are clearly NOT supported. Read this thread; if you try to do it you'll be banned

There's a difference between having an adult site where you send ads only your members can see that are adult in nature (where you would notify them that such would/could occur so they were joining at their own risk) and having adult banner ads showing on the index and promote pages that are sent in lots of other sites that are NOT adult oriented.

I have seen screen shots that were taken recently of some of the garbage that comes up on the FRONT PAGE for anyone and everyone to see. You should have to be opted in and of an adult age to see those. This WM has been notified that the 3rd party affiliate program she is using is showing those kind of ads and she hasn't seen fit to remove them. Therefore, I wholeheartedly support any WM who refuses to send ads for this site to their members. Her little act of revenge for WMs protecting their members is purely childish and shows (in my opinion) that she doesn't care what garbage is shown on her site and is having a hissy fit that someone dares refuse to show her site on theirs.

I'm not claiming to be on either side, I'll just say that since this thread was posted I have visited RCE 10 times, and not once have I seen an adult ad on their index page. I can't speak as to their ptp however.

Well in 5 refreshes on the homepage I was shown the girls gone wild banner 3 times. Here is no pornographic version which states Must be 18 to view.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2680/image1yj4.gif

Here is second one which is not showing anything but clearly not what should be shown on a site.

I did not see the hornymates today but did not visit more then 5 times.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8062/image2gu8.gif

Edited to add it pretty sad it took this thread to remove the porn off the site. It clearly shows to me that as long as someone isn't caught they wont do anything.

priestas,

Where do you live? I'm in California, United States. Maybe they are geo-targetted?

It is possible but I am in Southern Oregon so doubt they have gotten that good at geo targetting lol...

Just hit refresh a frew times on the main page is what I came up with. And lets see came up with the woman and her bra with breasts falling out and a bum saying Bored a few minutes ago.

I am not sure which 3rd party runs these banners but I have ommitted the banner name

http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/

the hornyads went directly to hornymates

I just did multiple refreshes of the main page, and several refreshes of the others that are available to non-members. Didn't get any questionable banners, so they must have been removed.

Hopefully, they won't rear their ugly heads again.

Hopefully it won't but it is quite sad it took this thread to get someone to remove the garbage off the site when they have been reported for weeks. It did not have to come to sites being banned if the issue had been taken care of in the first place. The site will not be removed from my banned list due to the response given by the PO of the situation.

Yes it is sad. It is much, much better when everyone is working together to solve a problem as with the DriveCleaner issue. It was absolutely terrific how everyone, including many PO's worked together to get rid of that garbage.

WOW , This is all old news , and alot of things being left out .

This is April , what you are complaining about is back in Feb. and it was only for a couple of days and the problem was fixed asap, as far as the porn goes it was the affiliates not the PO and it happen to several sites not just rainingcash.

rainingcash is a great site a great PO and a clean site , but i guess since there was a problem WAY back in Feb. that was taken care of right away ......blah blah blah

I love this site and I hope many others join in on the fun that goes on in the forum , Lots of daily give aways like upgrades free ads and lots more yes even money lol.

Hope to see lots of you join and check it out for your self.

Yes, it's an old problem. But i'm curious about your motive of bringing the 2 month-old thread up.

OH my bad LOL, I didn't even see the date, This is the first time i saw the thread and well my bad , thank you purehart for pointing it out to me

Old news yes and the problem was not resolved right away. Yes it was affiliate pages but the affiliate ads were not pulled and the ads were not taken care of immediately in fact the ads ran for a couple weeks and this thread is the only thing that got the PO's attention to finally pull do something. It was sad it took a thread and banning the site to get the affilate ads pulled off the site. And the PO was contacted by several of my members and I sent a notice from a site when I was clicking. So old news or not the site still did not do anything to remedy the situation until it was brought up in the forum.

Is the program still on banned lists? If it is, it might help Geezmom with her decision to promote a non-compliant site. I've not seen any recent ads for it (I've probably still got it filtered out, not sure).

It is on my banned list and I think it is on a couple other sites as well. I know it is on Spare-dollars list and I am not sure about other programs. As with any program I think members or non members would have to check each individual ban list.

It's on the watch list for Jazzy and Cashin. If it remains clean for 6 months it will be reconsidered. This program has a long history of running 0 iframes and only removing them after being called upon it publically.

I think people need to realise when a owner is not notified they can not do anything and this is for all sites. Just as a week or two ago I was told cashinclicks claims to have sent us an email after our assistant informed them of NO EMAILs RECEIVED, as well as ticket system used nothing was still ever received(but note they claim we were notified via a non-existent means-emaial).We have been using a support ticket system and NOT EMAIL. Those choosing to send emails naturally will not be responded to nor seen when they do NOT exist. The support ticket system is used for various reasons and one is cause we know we receive the issue to resolve as well as the member getting a reply and nothing lost or faulty working. I do thank wagdoll( and of course sas for always staying on top in reporting issues) an gezzmom for their reports of problems in helping to resolve matters.And sometimes though one may have just reported and we are correcting the issue, we do appreciate one notifying us and not assuming someone else will or did .When things are reported they have always been corrected and resolved but when its not known don't expect magic

I was going to leave this as I thought the thread had died off but as it is back on I want to clarify that the portion of the quote in Post 16 - Page 2 is NOT from me.( copy below)

I do not own a ptr ( or any other online site) and if I did there would be no gag clause.

Thanks
Belle

NO member has ever been banned for reporting anything! Matter of fact members have received free ads for reporting cause it helps the site and members

I apologize as my post was not worded very well. I have no knowledge of your site or the tos which were quoted but the part quoted sounded to me like a warning that members could or would be banned if they said anything against the site.

I realize many PO's have something along these lines in their tos and some handle it professionally while others use it as an excuse to scare members into not complaining. For this reason I do not like gag clauses or did not want it to appear as if it came from me.

THAT was my concern. As I said..I know nothing about your site or how you use your TOS.

Belle

Your site did not have support tickets when I reported nor my members. And the report I made was through your Report Abuse link on the PTP page. You do check those or are those ignored too? Because you did not bother to respond to my two reports or to my members who reported the problems. You only fixed the problem after it was reported here.

The site design has changed and the ticket was added recently to my knowledge as you had a regular contact page when I reported. The site was not only banned for the porn from the third party advertiser but for the constant iframes and the rude replies given another PO who did try to resolve the issue with you.

The Report Abuse link from the PTP page does get checked daily. And replies are sent to each inquiry. Matter of fact the last report was a few weeks ago and was for someone who reported every affiliate page seen and I stated all were checked and all were affiliate pages and ok !

The site design changes often (with holidays)and the ticket was added when I was with our old host in february when a problem was noted with emails not being received with things through the ad manager and the plugin was found free of error and yet when sending mails some were received some were not. The support ticket was added. The porn and iframes where removed when the problem was reported from wagdoll. As a matter of fact the wrong affiliate was removed but because of the ad rotation, i did not see it when i refreshed and checked. Later wagdoll did tell me it was there and i noticed that the wrong one was removed then( easy to see since i had not replaced the removed yet). And did so with all links on the ptp page and looking into the other areas of the site which contained the same code. As to being rude with another owner it was not done intent or tried. One can NOT show something on a page that does not exist any more. Instead of removing the one ad, considering advertising-page.com was on that page and no longer as well, insead of changing all ads, it was easier to delete the page completely, yet this po wanted the page to see the ad was removed. I tried resolving the matter and well i was never contacted back till the po was notified of her site banned with us. Which many sites were improperly categorised and after constant updates noticed and the sites remained the reason for the ban. And was removed after seeing their list was corrected.

The porn ads and o iframes were still running well after wagdoll contacted you in regards to the issue. Would it not have been easier to have pulled the affiliate completely till the issue was resolved? The iframes I saw for myself well after wagdoll contacted you and said the issue had been resolved. The issue with the porn went on for weeks. Your contact page was on the site at the time of this complaint and the time of me contacting you.

YOU did not contact me back when I reported the problems with PTP page and porn links. You did not contact my members back. You can say as you like but the site will stay banned till the site shows otherwise. As it was stated by another PO when the site stays clean of porn and 0 iframes for at least 6 months it will be reconsidered.

As far as the other PO and you that is between you two but she did try to resolve the issue I do not see her asking your a PTP link to view the pages was an unreasonable request. How can one see if the site is cleaned up if the page is blocked for outside viewing? Which was the case. And you had links for sites which promoted 0 iframes still on the page after the fact.

I am curious where you were 2 months ago when this thread was started and why now you decide to come in 2 months after the fact? Wouldn't it have been better to have addressed this when the thread started rather then having someone bump it up and come in 2 months after the fact?

I cant emails when they are not received as i stated their were problems and because it things were changed . Why I did not respond sooner. Probably cause I don't sit in forums or hunt things in forums. This link was sent to me hence I am seeing it now

True, one cannot show something on a page that does not exist anymore BUT you were
asked for the page to your Paid To Promote and you refused to provide me with the URL:



As I stated in my IM, I was going to get with you about the fact that I could not verify the
original page in question (the one that got you placed on the banned list in the first place).
You gave me 24 hours to remove your site from the banned list, then you banned my site.

It is truly unprofessional to use a banned list as an act of revenge/retaliation. Your site has
had issues since December of 2006. I have had a few affiliates (members of your site also)
contact me telling me that they reported the issues to you but yet nothing was ever done.

So you are saying it is coincidence that as soon as it was reported here and links were posted showing there was porn on the site that they all of a sudden magically disappearred?

The problem was reported by wagdoll and the exact affiliate causing the problem(admedian) was reported and removed. AND after removing them from the ptp, they were removed from the affiliate pages and the site itself were they all were in rotation as stated earlier. And I thank wagdoll again for reporting and working in not only finding but reporting the code.

She posted on page one of this thread she had contacted you about the one and you said you removed it but when she posted she was not aware it was still running on the site so you had not removed it. When I posted it here all of a sudden all the ads which were not all admedian ads in fact some were adjungle ads were gone.

It is really quite moot at this point. The site will remain in the banned list. You were contacted several times by not only myself but by others and the issue was not taken care of promptly. In fact it was on the site for several weeks before being taken care. When the site is clean of 0 iframes and porn for six months then I will reconsider.

And funny you say you were not aware of it but you banned my site. You evidently knew as your admin stated you had taken care of the problem but as you see it was posted here screenshots so it had not been taken care of. You had to have known there was an issue to ban my site. If you really were so concerned wouldnt it have been easier rather then to ban my site in retailiation to have contacted me and stated you had not received any emails from me or my members? If this was truly the issue?

I am sorry Dawn but it just not not fly with me you did not recieve one of 10 different reports or emails sent to you in regards to this but for the one from wagdoll. You were evidently aware of an issue as you banned my site for the issue. So really there is not much else to say here. The site remains in my banned list until further consideration.

What happened from my point of view was that I contacted RainingCash about the porn images from admedian. I got a reply they were removed, but they were still there. I think that was when I posted in here? I wrote again to say they were still there and asked if she'd removed the wrong affiliate company. So after that mail to let her know the problem affiliate company was still there with the problem ads she did remove it, but it was still present on one or two of the other promotion pages. So I wrote again a week or two later to say that and they were then removed from all the promotion pages. I think this is why it took several weeks, because firstly Rainingcash removed the wrong affiliate, and then only removed it from one of the promo pages and didn't realise the same code was on the others and having the same problem. Eventually it was sorted out though. I think at some point SJ also sent a note that these adult ads were being displayed. This was all with regards to the admedian (hornymatches) banners though, I don't recall seeing anything with nudity through adjungle.

Since then we've been getting prompt replies and resolutions from rainingcashemails to the issues we've reported.

It is all moot as each site makes it's own decisions based on their own experiences and choices, but I just wanted to clarify what happened from my point of view over this situation.

OMG , LOL, no one had me bump this thread up, LOL,

I had a offline message with the url to this thread , I did not look at the date, I assume it was a recent thread.

My friend came online right after I posted and pointed out that it was old news, and thank you purehart too, Once I relized it was an old Thread I replied with egg on my face , LOL.

But I am wondering which site Priestes owns , I am only curious not looking for a fight .

I would like to add , To ban a site is a big deal , but to ban a site or sites for 6 months looks like you trying to KILL it.
Maybe you should think about how long your ban should be for . only a suggestion , I am not trying to tell anyone how to run there own site.

Well since you b umped the thread I guess you didnt bother to read the whole thing as you would know which site I owned. And she did a good job of ruining her own site without my help. If she had paid more attention to the porn and 0 iframes running amuck on her site I guess she would not be banned at several sites now would she?

Maybe she should have thought about running the sites running 0 iframes and paid more attention to the porn running on her site. I am not lifting the ban nor I doubt are other sites which have banned the site.

She evidently cares more about the money the porn and 0 iframes brings in then her members so why should I care what it does to her site. I am concerned about what it does to my members and my site not hers.

ok

first you said (Well since you b umped the thread I guess you didnt bother to read the whole thing as you would know which site I owned. )

Yes i read the thread but yes I had forgoten , but I do notice you have your sites listed in your sign. my bad , thought you would be happy to share then I could join

next (And she did a good job of ruining her own site without my help)

Rainingcash is far from being ruin , My downlines just keeps growing and the forum is the best ever

next (If she had paid more attention to the porn and 0 iframes running amuck on her site I guess she would not be banned at several sites now would she?)

The porn was a problem on several sites and was the fault of the affiliate. so shame on the ban if that is the reason.

next (I am not lifting the ban nor I doubt are other sites which have banned the site.) I not asking for you to lift the ban that is of course your choice and the same for the other PO's

I never asked you to lift your ban I just thought and still think that 6 months is way to long for any site to be ban for , unless the problem is still going on, which it isn't .

next (She evidently cares more about the money the porn and 0 iframes brings in then her members so why should I care what it does to her site. I am concerned about what it does to my members and my site not hers.)

oh she so cares for her members that she is everyday giving away upgrades , ads, points, and cash too

You were the one who said banning her sites was ruining it I did not...

As for other sites we are not discussing other sites in this thread. This thread actually was bout Raining Cash banning Spare-dollars and my sites because we had banned her site for legitimate reasons.

Now if she had dealed with the issue in the first place I highly doubt that she would have been banned on either site but even wagdoll said it ran several weeks. Why would the porn run several weeks? How is it she evidently didn't receive emails from numerous members of my site, myself and lets see wagdoll mentioned the SJ had emailed her as well about the problem, but she states no one contacted her in regards to the porn on the site but for wagdoll?

I am sick of PO's running garbage on their sites and my members being exposed to it. Whether it be 0 iframes or porn. She has run both on her site. Running a site means checking your ads and emails. If you can't check what is running on your site and protect your members that tells me one does not really seem to care enough. I spend time going through my ads. I ask members to contact me if there is a problem. Fortunately I have wonderful members who do contact me when there is a problem. The problem is resolved immediately. Not three weeks later.

If I can't find a problem the affiliate or ad is pulled till I can find the problem or I spend the time locating it. I dont just blow it off. This issue should not have taken weeks to clear up. The affiliate ads should have been pulled until the issue was resolved with the third party advertiser. Plain and simple. Not only did she expose her own members to the filth and the iframes but she exposed every site that ran her PTP to it. Several weeks to resolve an issue to me is not caring.

As far asgiving away ads and giving away money that doesn't show me someone cares only that the site gives away free ads and upgrades. Sure hope the site can cover the cost of those free ads and upgrades. Anyways have a good day.

And perhaps I should not have taken your post the way I did I am sorry if I did but you seemed to have come in all of a sudden deciding I should do things some other way and wanting to know my site name for some other reason.

Yes it is in my signature. My other site was closed and merged with the one. Which is moot. But she banned my site and said she did not know there was an issue but she did know there was an issue as she posted it in her admin but didnt bother to resolve it in anyway which I had attempted several times as well as my members has contacted her. Not sure why six months seems like a long time. Seems reasonable to me. If a site is around and in good standing in six months then I will reconsider allowing it to be advertised. In the meantime I don't feel like taking the chance that my members have to be exposed to garbage that "might" get cleaned up in a few weeks when the PO decides to get around to it.