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longshanks1971
I've just bought a new pc and its been custom built, becuase I bought from an independant dealer I haven't got a Back up/restore floppy disk that I had with my old one.

Is it possible to make one myself in case of system crash or other emergenceys,

I don't know if this will be relevant or not but it runs xp off a dual core processor.

Any help would be fantastic,

Thanks for your time and help in advance ci.gif
doublet
QUOTE(longshanks1971 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:36 AM) [snapback]4625308[/snapback]
I've just bought a new pc and its been custom built, becuase I bought from an independant dealer I haven't got a Back up/restore floppy disk that I had with my old one.

Is it possible to make one myself in case of system crash or other emergenceys,

I don't know if this will be relevant or not but it runs xp off a dual core processor.

Any help would be fantastic,

Thanks for your time and help in advance ci.gif

Hmm..,

Custom built = generic (non) brand?

Some computers are bought by consumers (those who know squat about computers) factory pre-installed Operating System(s) MS Windows and those PCs only come with a Windows XP Recovery disks and what that means is that you cannot recover unless the original Hard Drive that came with that computer still retains the basic uh... pre-install files...

But you say that you

1. Do you have the original MS XP Install program CD?
2. Is your Hard Drive "C:" Partitioned?

There are numerous methods of being prepared (boy scout/girl guide "always prepared....")/proactive in the event that will allow you recover from total system crash or to recover from minor system glitches.

Whether your PC is single or dual core processor is not of any importance. irrelevant. That the OS is Windows XP... might be...

Your core/basic/reference recovery method is to Reinstall Windows XP from the Install CD.

To Reinstall you need the install CD.

To prevent that necessity is to create Restore points each time you install a new program. There are many other methods as to how to recover from a apparent disaster. Do you have or have you created a Windows Boot Disk?

Perhaps a few individuals can reply with more detailed or much easier (to read) information.

Perhaps GPF sub forum Technical Paradise may be a more appropriate GPF sub forum to get the best answers to your question:

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showforum=813
cubster
I am not much help but my computer also came without cds and thats the way it was made. Its a HP Pavillion and I will never buy another HP ever again. It has partitioned disk and all I can ever do is make restore points. I want to completely wipe my disks but of course I cant...
doublet
QUOTE(cubster @ Jan 12 2007, 11:00 PM) [snapback]4625702[/snapback]
I am not much help but my computer also came without cds and thats the way it was made. Its a HP Pavillion and I will never buy another HP ever again. It has partitioned disk and all I can ever do is make restore points. I want to completely wipe my disks but of course I cant...

Well...

You can... but you would first have to learn how to do it.... and if you want to do it it is a real hassle. Most users would find it much easier to buy a new PC then toss a older Compaq or HP or Dell into the garbage pick up. The worst mistake they will make is to buy another "Name Brand" that oddly again comes without a real Windows Install CD other than a Microsoft CD labelled "For Distribution with a New PC HP or Compaq... only" or sumthin like that....

By the way... If you bought your HP computer from a dealer but you did not find any CDs then it is likely that the peeps you bought your PC from were either inept or.... ? A restore to original Factory Settings CD and a Help CD should have been included. Mind you.... those CDs are completely useless if your Hard Drive failed... And you replaced the faulty Hard Drive... You would have NO Method to reinstall the Windows OS (Operating System)!

Crazy Huh? Yeah... You would have to somehow get or pay for a Windows OS be it 95/98/2000 or XP.... AGAIN! And ya thought you had paid for....? NOPE. rhymes with DOPE? Uh-huh...


Partitions? Well... It is well established that if you have just one Hard Drive then there are distinct advantages in partitioning C: to more than D:. A non partitioned Hard Drive can result in total loss of ALL data if the OS has to be re-installed whereas if partitioned and used properly, most ALL data remains on partitions D:, E:, F: G: H..... Z can be easily recovered after the OS on C: has failed to the point where the OS has to be re-installed...

Just a remark" Five partitions of a 40GB HD would have been a cat's meow 5 years ago... But don't wanna get into that. It's a more detailed as to why.... subject matter.

There are many of us veteran users of PCs that feel more than exactly as you do about "Name Brand PCs" as you do. Name Brands such as Compaq (subsequently bought out by HP but still sold as Compaq) are much more difficult (a real nightmare or hassle) to upgrade or modify than are Generic No Brands.. Generic NO Brands are much more easier/simpler/cheaper to modify...

No Name IBM PC clones (a term or the classification that i am familiar with) are the BEST "Bang for the Buck" for those who wish to get good value for $ amount spent on a PC and the Generic Brands are relatively easy to work with when it comes to add new common hardware and when a upgrade of the OS (Operating System) without encountering really dumb glitches....

longshanks1971 is lucky to have by default a "custom" (kinda a opposite meaning...) PC instead of a Brand Name. All longshanks1971 has to do now is to tell us (for starters) whether a Windows XP install CD (Auto boot with CDKey or Serial No.) is readily available for his/her install/reinstall/last resort-backup or not...

Once that fundamental information is a known.... then the other emergency disk and/or boot disk yak is rather secondary in importance. Once known... other info then can follow....
cubster
Thanks Doublet for your information. I wont go on about my computer as this is longshanks thread but I will be learning things anyway. Thank you.
longshanks1971
wow ! thanks for the info,

I have all the original disk's for things they preloaded for me, they are

windows xp Handbook, disc and authenticity label
drivers and utility disc listing adobe acrobat reader, fuzzy logic, live update, pc alert, norton
works oem software
amd athlon 64 athlonx2 (just booklet and cert authenticity)

other info of the invoice

msi k9vgm intergrated mother board
300gb ide 7200rpm hard drive
1024mb ddr2 memory in brackets - (533)
floppy drive
samsung oem dvd+/-rw blk - 18x

all of the info above makes no sense to me but i put it up incase you need it,

To clarify the previous pc had a disk to reload it to retsore to factory settings in case of a problem,
which I had to use after it locked up due to data corruption, that was a shop bought ready made pc of the shelf,

This one is custom built ( I selected individual compenents and then it was built of that list) but has no restore/ back up disk (the old one was a floppy disk)

Thank you very much as you can tell I don't know a lot about pc's so any help you give will be imensley appreciated, hope you have all the info you need, and thanks for your time ci.gif
doublet
First off, everyone who has been or still is involved with PCs if they already have not, will probably experience the situation when the computer fails due to some reason.

Recovery when a computer fails due to OS (Windows XPOperating System)
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Every computer enthusiast has their own personal opinion as to what is the best method (backup?) to recover from a OS crash. Perhaps the worst scenario a user can encounter is when Windows 95/98/2000/XP suddenly presents you with the dreaded Fatal Blue Screen.

SURPRISE! cb.gif

(That event last happened to me some 2 to 3 weeks ago... Was I totally prepared? No... Not totally, but I didn't lose any of my important data files. Why?

Well.... I had ALL of my important data in files on separate partitions on that Hard Drive. I promptly discarded the initial thought of reinstalling my formerly trusty old Windows 2000 and did a format then installed Windows XP on C:. So at this moment, I'm not fully as familiar with Windows XP as I was with earlier Windows versions but the basics of how to prepare your computer in a proactive manner to lessen the amount of data lost when the next crash occurs, remain the same

Hard Drives are known to fail, it might be sectors that become faulty or a total failure. OS (Operating System) can become corrupt and that often means that you, if you don't already know how to, will have to learn what you need readily on hand in order to get your computer up and running again. What do you reinstall from? A Image CD/DVD of your computer's operating system allowing recovery without much of a hassle or will you have to resort to a Full reinstall from the Windows Install Setup CD that necessitates the reinstall of all programs previously installed?

What tools do you need to recover from a major or a minor crash?

Well... Windows XP does include a "Backup and Restore" program...

If you want the ability to fix minor problems, one suggestion is to create a Restore point every time you install a new program. That allows you to revert the system back to the point/date where it was before you installed a program that you later suspect is giving you computer problems. Installing a new program that is incompatible with existing programs and results in a computer system getting confused... is not a rare event.


Backup?/Recovery

Not everyone is satisfied with what little Bill Gates offers with Windows as sufficient. There are many methods available outside of the Microsoft Window... that allow easier/faster ways to get your PC up and running again. Not every computer geek agrees as to what method of recovery from what type of backup is better. Some swear by whatever they think works for them best.

Before you decide what you need as a method of backup or better still more than one method of backup(s) ... You could acquaint yourself with backup methods by reading what is recommended here. bo.gif

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.ht...305&start=0

You might assess that the making of a Image disc is best... and if that is what you decide upon then it's best if you Partition your Hard Drive first then reserve drive C: for the Windows XP only and install any programs you wish to install on another partition (preferably on Partition E:.


1. windows xp Handbook, disc and authenticity label.
The Windows XP Install disc is your recovery method of last resort. If you lose it or if your cat claws it or dog bites it thinking it's a smaller version of a Frisbee it will create hardship. I suggest you make a copy of the Windows Install disc and store it in a physical location secure and separate from where you keep the original Windows XP disc.

2.drivers and utility disc listing adobe acrobat reader, fuzzy logic, live update, pc alert, norton works oem software
Not really required. Almost all drivers required are installed by the Windows XP or can be downloaded from the Internet. Adobe Reader is updated quite frequently that rendering the version on this disc as not useful by the end of this year... Personally I wouldn't bother with Norton works... at least not the virus program.... the renewal subscription will cost you $ every 12 months? There are good Free Anti-Virus programs such as Avast and AVG 7.5 that update every 24 hours with new virus data base and work just as effectively in detecting virus if not better than Norton and at no cost to you.

amd athlon 64 athlonx2 (just booklet and cert authenticity)
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Good choice:a better bang for the money than "Intel Inside"


300gb ide 7200rpm hard drive <- If not yet partitioned advice is to partition it now.
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I would recommend you partition the 300GB Hard drive into at least 5 Partitions: C: D: E: F: G: What is displayed here is a typical example.

C: This is the drive you will be making the image disc from....
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Try to reserve this partition for what the OS Windows XP installs-
Note: Don't be willing to install any other programs here unless the program insists on installing to C: Programs folder only. I'd avoid any programs that insist on installing in C: unless I know beforehand that it is a reputable program worthwhile installing.
Don't allow any program weasel into any place it wants per default onto your computer's Hard Drive C:, Instead take control of your computer, (be a despot dictator...) by you choosing to install all programs to E: Programs folder. Partition size? 1 to 2GB

D: For the Windows XP Virtual memory (aka PageFile aka formerly also known as swapfile
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(Refer to Windows Help: Managing your computer's performance). Partition size? .7 to 2GB

Yes you can use this partition (D:) for other stuff also without affecting the performance of the computer just as long as you remember to reserve at least .5 GB for the pagefile and remember also to reserve another to hefty 200MB required by the Restore point feature that Windows XP seemingly requires as unused free space on each and every partition... otherwise you won't be able to create restore points!

E: For Programs Install -
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You can Create as many Programs folders you want Pograms2, Programs3 Programs4.... It's a neat way to keep different types of programs in grouped folders... if you are a compulsive organizer... ae.gif Partition size? 20+GB

F: For Downloads from the Internet?
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Partition size? 100+GB


G: For organizing music files and perhaps other Personal files.
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Partition size? 100+GB

Why is Partitioning a Hard Drive important?
In the event Windows XP does crash, although you would (do) have to re-install all of the programs to E: Programs, there is good news.... the reinstall of OS Windows XP will not affect any of the data files stored in any of the other partitions... other than partition C:. That is why it's a very good idea... it makes sense/its logical to partition your Hard Drive. ac.gif


What' your option.... If you... Don't have a Program to partition your Hard Drive and don't have a program to Create Image for recovery?

I use Partition Magic but there are Free Partitioner programs available to download from the Internet. What size should you make each partition? Not to worry: You can resize partitions at any time after you partition a Hard Drive.

Free Partition and Image making programs are available here bo.gif

http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml


Other Comments
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floppy drive

You could make a Windows "Boot Disk" but booting from CD or DVD is the norm these days. (Psst: If you haven't yet noticed... Floppy disk drives have become obsolete....)


samsung oem dvd+/-rw blk - 18x


Use to Create image of your system onto CDRW or DVDRW AND then make a copy of that and store that copy at another physical location. You'd be surprised how many computer users have lost and can't find their "one and only back up disc" when their computer fails...


The above info is mostly just from memory...

If you have any specific questions, I'm sure that you will find that there are plenty of geeks here in GPF more informed than I am who will also be more than happy to help you out. aa.gif
winterwisp
Not sure if this will help but this site offers a bunch of bootdisk images for download for cases similar to yours when people don't have any boot disks or have lost them:

http://www.bootdisk.com/
doublet
QUOTE(winterwisp @ Jan 14 2007, 05:24 PM) [snapback]4626767[/snapback]
Not sure if this will help but this site offers a bunch of bootdisk images for download for cases similar to yours when people don't have any boot disks or have lost them:

http://www.bootdisk.com/

Well, downloads the bootdisks appear to be free... and only suggests a donation of $3.... but were you aware that the site you recommend actually charges $4 Fee for downloading some other "hard to find?" but probably free programs?

QUOTE
I've worked hard to find, make available, and create some of the best fully functional computer utilities so you can both find them and download them very easily. As my site grows in popularity tho the demand for certain files is becoming quite overwhelming. So in response I'd like to request that you if you need these files that you help me out for my time and expenses for just $4 to get instant access to EVERY file below.

After completing the transaction you will IMMEDIATELY be directed to a download page that includes all the files below. Also, you will be sent an email which also provides the link to the download page.
OK it may be a flat fee....

Otherwise.... the layout of this site and much of the information compiled is found to be more than interesting and will make more than a long read. aq.gif

UPDATE:

Perhaps the OP longshanks1971 might find this Freeware Download (Full Version 3.03 is: 173MB) interesting and probably contains almost ALL that he needs except for detailed instructions...?
bo.gif
http://www.ubcd4win.com/index.htm

http://www.ubcd4win.com/contents.htm
QUOTE
List of tools included with Ultimate Boot CD for Windows®
AntiVirus Tools
AVPersonal 7.? Great full featured freeware AntiVirus solution
ClamWin 0.88.7 Nice AntiVirus scanner.
McAfee Stinger 2.6.0 Scans for a limited number of viruses
Dr.Web CureIT 4.33.2 Scans for a limited number of viruses
Avast! 1.0.209 Scans for a limited number of viruses
Trend Micro SysClean varies Scan your system for viruses

Applications
FireFox 2.0 Internet Browser
Irfanview 3.98 Compact image viewer
NotePad++ 3.8 Powerful notepad replacement
Opera 9.01 Internet Browser
PDF Reader 1.3 B519 PDF viewer
Popcorn 1.74 Email Client
Scribe 1.87 Email Client
XPSetupLauncher 1.4 Allows you to perform unattended installs of XP from within BPE
CD Burning Applications
DeepBurner 1.5.1.192 Allows you to burn CD's in the BPE environment.
DVD RAM 4.2.2 DVD Burning software
Express Burn 1.08 CD Burning software
SmallCD 1.12 CD Burning software
Disk Tools
-Backup/Cloning
CopyWipe 1.14 Copies and/or erases hard drives
Disk Copy N/A Floppy disk copier
Disk Image 1.15 Creates and restores images of disks to files
DriveImage XML 1.18 Hard drive backup and cloning
ImgMaker 1.1
RawCopy 1.0 Used to transfer data directly to another drive when the original is faulty
SelfImage 1.1 Hard drive backup and cloning
-Defrag
AusLogics Defrag 1.1.1.195 Hard disk defragmenter
Dirms 1.2.20 Comand Line utility to defragement your entire drive
-Diagnostic
Bst5 5.1.4 Bart's Stuff test. Small Win32 application for long time heavily stress testing storage devices. Supports testing at file and device levels.
chkdsk N/A
DskChkup 1.1B1005 Allows you to monitor the SMART attributes of a hard drive
Disk Check 1.0.75 Utility to check disks for errors and benchmarking
HDTune 2.5 Hard disk utility that will: Benchmark, Error scan, display temperature, SMART heatlh information and provide other hard drive information
WinDLG 1.02 Western Digital HDD diagnostic software for Windows
-Partition
MbrFix 1.0.0.5 Fix or create Master boot record
MBRWiz 1.52 Master Boot Record Wizard
TestDisk 5.9 WIP Tool to check and undelete partitions
-Security
Drive Erase 1.02 Permanently erases data from hard disks, removable media, partitions, files and folders.
Disk Wipe 1.1 Securely wipes data from discs
Eraser 5.7 Completely remove sensitive data from your hard drive by overwriting it several times with carefully selected patterns
HD Cleaner 2.361 Safely removes Web cookies, Web history, recent documents history, any hidden user traces and more
Index.dat Suite 2.8.6 A unique program that allows you not only to delete the index.dat files, temporary internet files, temp files, cookies and history, but it also allows you to view the index.dat files on your system.
File Management
-Compression
IZArc 3.5 B3 Popular freeware compression tool.
7-Zip 4.23 Popular freeware compression tool.
-Explorers
a43Update 2.45 File management
Agent Ransack 1.73 File search
ExplorerXP 1.06 File management
freeCommander 2004.10b File management
xplorer2 Lite 1.3.0.2 EXCELLENT File management tool!!
WinDir Stat 1.1 Disk usage statistics viewer and cleanup tool.
-Recovery
Copy Handler 1.28 Small tool designed to copy/move files and folders between different storage medias
DBXtract 4.5 Repairs PST files for Outlook express
Disk Investigator 1.31 Display the true drive contents by bypassing the operating system and directly reading the raw drive sectors. View and search raw directories, files, clusters, and system sectors. Verify the effectiveness of file and disk wiping programs. Undelete previously deleted files
Fab's AutoBackup 1.2 Backup and restore personal settings like emails, documents, internet browser bookmarks
File Recovery 4.0 Data recovery for damaged files and erased partitions
Floppy Repair 1.0 Eliminates bad sectors of Floppy disk surface, does not hide bad sectors in the file system, as Scandisk like utilities, it really restores them
Free Undelete 1.0 Data recovery program for deleted files
Handy Recovery 1.0 Designed to restore files accidentally deleted from hard disks and floppy drives
SectorSpyXP 2.01 Lexun utility. No support on their new website and development has ceased. Please use at your own risk.
Recovery Manager 1.5 Backup & Restore, Duplicate, Recover files accidentally deleted or from corrupted media, and Format Digital Flash Media
Restoration 2.5.14 File Recovery, restore files that have been deleted from the Recycle Bin
UnChk 3 Recover CHK files
Unstop Copier 1.9 Recovers files from disks with physical damage
Linux Tools
Explore2fs 1.00 Allows exploration of Linux partitions in the Windows environment
R-Linux 1.0 Recovery utility for the Ext2FS file system
Malware Tools
AdAware 1.06 SE Scans remote hard drives for spyware, etc.
CWShredder 2.16
EzPCFix ?? Helpful tool when trying to remove viruses, spyware, other troublesome advertising programs, and malware from your computer.
Hijack This 1.99 General browser hijacker detector and remover
Rootkitty ? Very new tool in development, searches a system for rootkits
Spy Bot 1.4 Effectively scans remote hard drives for spyware/malware!
Network Tools
Cisco Cisco VPN Client. Still working on this. Further steps are necessary to complete plugin.
FileZilla 2.2.16 FTP Client
IPScan 2.21 Fast IP scanner for Windows
NetStumbler 0.4 Find wireless networks
nwdskpe Novell's NetWare Client to access NetWare servers by IP/IPX
Putty .58 Implementation of Telnet and SSH for Win32 and Unix platforms, along with an xterm terminal emulator
Real VNC Server 4.0 Remote control software which allows you to view and interact with one computer
ShowTraf 1.5.0 Show Traffic, Monitors network traffic
Tight VNC Viewer 1.2.9 Remote control software package
UltraVNC 1 RC18 Remotely control a computer over any TCP/IP connection
VNC Neighborhood 1.1.8 VNC server TCP scanner, uses Microsoft Windows Networking features to locate computers in Microsoft Windows domains and workgroups
Password Tools
cmos 4.6 Find your CMOS password and/or replace it
KeyFinderPE 1.41 Will find your Windows installation key, the included version works in PE
PasswordPro 1.3.1.2 MD5, MD4, MySQL, SHA-1 hashes password recovery, password keeper, password generator, hash generator, dictionary generator, etc
Sala Password RenewUpdate 1.1 B (re)set the passwords of any user that has a valid local account, create a new local user with administrator rights, and set administrator rights to existing user on your NT system
Registry Tools
Erunt 1.1i Emergency Recovery Utility -Registry backup and restore
RegBrws 1.2.2 Browses local/remote system registry using a specified account
RegCleaner 4.3 Remove obsolete registry entries from software that you may have deleted
RegEditPE 0.9c Registry Editor for PE, SourceForge project
RegResWiz 1.0.0.4 Wizard that restores the registry to previous saved states
Shell Features
ASPI N/A CD Support
AutoRamSizer 1.9 Adjusts size by the amount of RAM installed on the system
AutoRun N/A BPE functionality
atapi_824146 N/A XP Patch
BartPE 5.1.4 small win32 application for long term heavy stress testing storage devices at the file and device level
dcomlaunch N/A Launch DComLaunch service first -for SP2
Dialup Ability to use your modem, you will need to create a modem driver plugin for your particular model. Email me for support, I will try to help
DosPE 1.0.6 DOS 16-bit support
GeoShell N/A Adds more "XP" feel, enhanced startbutton, quicklaunch, taskbar, etc.
keyboard Keyboard mapper
MMC Update 2.0 Microsoft Management Console
mstsc N/A Remote desktop client
nu2menu Menu system
onscrkb N/A On Screen Keyboard tool
peinst HD installation tool for PE
penetcfg PE Network Configurator
PPOE2k3 PPPOE dialup network support for Win 2k3
PPOEXP PPPOE dialup network support for XP
ramdisk Creates a RAM drive in the PE environment , Bart's new version included in his latest BETA
RAM Profiles 1.0 Creates a profiles in the RAM drive which allows several tools to work properly
sermouse Serial mouse support
UnxUtils GNU utilities for Win32
USB 1.0 My USB plugin, tested on a few simple devices. Not completely plug and play but I'm working on it.
VBdlls 5.0&6.0 Visual Basic DLL's, makes these runtime dll's available in PE
ViewChmHlp N/A My help and CHM file plugin, adds support so these files can be viewed
WSHSupport Windows scripting host support which allows VBScript and JScript to run
System Information Tools
-Information & Diagnostic Tools
CPUz 1.38 Gathers information on some of the main devices in a system
IDE Drive 2.0 IDE drive information, very extensive
Nero InfoTool 3.0 Detailed drive and system information for your CD/DVD drives
QuickBench 1.1 Benchmarking application
System Info 1.53 Provides detailed system information, network info., etc.
Unknown 1.2 Helps discover what unknown devices in Device Manager really are
WinAudit 1.3 Audits your software and hardware configurations
WinCPUID 3.3 Displays the CPU information: Shows Frequency, Multiplier, Chipset Info. etc
WUL 1.1 Windows Update list, lists updates and patches installed on a system
- Stress Test/Benchmark Tools
CPU Bench 4.0.06 CPU benchmarking software
MemTest 3.2 Memory tester for Windows, please read manual.htm for instructions and advice
P95 23.8 Prime95, stress tester, popular with overclockers
StraightMark 1.2.1 System benchmarking tool
Other Fixes
RunScanner 1.0.0.11 Registry redirector plugin developed by Paraglider. Used for launching spyware detector programs and has been tested with SpySweeper and A
zlatan24
On as regards backup i don't know little,but for restore advise try-pst recovery utility,as far as i know tool is free,it can process PST and OST files and extract all critical data, no need to wait, it is very fast,supports all Microsoft Windows operating systems, starting from Windows 98 to Windows Vista,working with Outlook pst data recovery software and .pst recovery program,will recreate folder structure and all messages, which are found in your mailbox,preview the results and make sure, that all emails are successfully repaired.

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