Hello,

I registered with dayseeking.net, although I knew this site is forcing searches.
Since they have no activity requirement to earn from DL, I don't care if I get only a few mails per day.

However, since more than a week I do not get any mails from them.
Now I'm wondering if there is an automatism in the script which cuts "inactive" members out completely just before they reach payout...?

kind regards,
Richard

Emails are only sent to active members unless the PO has flipped the switch to send emails to inactive members as well.

I can see their point. It costs the site to send emails and there really is no reason to send emails to inactive members. They don't want to click as often as the rest, they want to do it on their time, that's fine but how long should a site keep sending emails to "members" who don't click?

I understand that, but my point is:

There seem to be some sites where a member has only the choice between 50+ search mails daily or none at all.
When I registered with dayseeking and did not search actively I startet to get less and less mails. Although I got only a few mailsl per day it was okay to me, because I could become active again.
But if I get no mails at all then I could as well unsubscribe....
(....besides, it looks very suspicious to me that there was a long period of 2-3 mails daily which has now ceased shortly before reaching payout...)

kind regards,
Richard

P.S: you site is a good example how to do better, because:
1) I can choose whether I want to receive search mails or not
2) Your search mails mostly work (the problem I see with search mails from some other sites is that many point to engines that don't work, so it costs time but will not credit you a valid search...)

I joined this site about two weeks ago and have yet to receive one email!! How on earth do you become active if there is nothing to click?

Sad but true, the majority of ads at a great many sites are searches from members and outside advertisers and points ads from members who want to withdraw their cash. If the majority of ads available are search ads for restricted search countries or Tier 1 countries, those who are from non-search countries or those who choose not to take points ads will make very little, if anything, from their time as a paid email reader.

On a side note, for those from non-search countries, we have points ads that quite a few members are selling (and cashing out every month) and many members buying those points to get an upgrade for a lot less than if they paid cash. Far too often, I see members selling 60,000 pts for $3 to get rid of them faster instead of using them for an upgrade whose worth is $20. Just the same, it shows that being from a search country i not the only way for someone to get paid from a site if they are willing to click more ads. Even for those who don't get the PTP links due to their not being in the countries advertisers are targeting them to now, there's still 70 PTCs every day that need clicked and a couple of them are reclickable every hour.

Some don't have a lot of things they search for everyday, myself included, and there's just not a lot of other ads for us to click unless we go hunting for them.

If there's no PTCs to click, all one need do is log in every day to show the scripts that the member is active.

No ptcs and no emails to click. Have I got to log on every day for a year before I can start to earn some money?

No, you have to login every day to show the scripts that you were active that day.

I don't know what you have to do at that site to earn some money, I only know what you have to do here to earn some money. Here, members can get paid every month even if they never get a search ad or have any downline at all.

@shakysteve:
..could of course also be that dayseeking is not sending mails in the moment - it's probably around 2 weeks now since I got my last mail from them.

@all:
I agree with Ron (from experience): TTM is the best site I know in the moment...

regards,
Richard

Same here - I used to get about 30-50 mails from them daily, but now for several weeks just one, if that... (And that one is often not a seach mail, so I don't know how to increase the amount of mails.) Pity, as they used to be one of the best...

then it seems to be a general problem of the site....

I have always been an ACTIVE SEARCHER........log on everyday and got heaps of mails. But for the past 4 weeks..........I have the occassional one mail a day. I have 2 weeks with no mails at all. I am also very close to payout.....at $3.60 to be exact when mails stopped coming.
I have given up on emailing them......there is no reply or explanation. Then 2 days ago.......I got one mail (UGAIN). I don't think I will ever reach payout with them anymore so I decided to redeem for advertising. Hopefully, I'll get something out of it.

...just sent this message to dayseeking:

Dear Webmaster,

I can fully understand that you have to distinguish between active and inactive members - including no. of emails sent out.
However, even as an inactive member I would expect at least 1 mail every few days, especially since you claim the "0% activity request".
So I'm wondering why I didn't get any mail over the last few weeks ?

kind regards,
Richard Goergl

...and curiously anticipating the answer.

kind regards,
Richard

I have always been active at 4 of the 5 they own and I too have been only getting 1 email from both dayseeking and dayslook, while I still receive many mails from both dayslooking and qualiytcash. I've gone to dayslook's site and looks like they aren't into ptr's much anymore.

Don't know whats up with them.....

Dayslook has been fine for me, I get about 70 emails a day from them.

Dayseeking I pnly get about 10 tho.

Just wondering what happened to Dayseeking!!
Did my clicking last night. Never had any problem, now it says
"Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /home/dayseek/public_html/scripts/conf.inc.php on line 34"

Is anyone else having the same problem??

same problem here, I assume its possibly a sever or host issue as I am still able to do DaySeeker

When you say best, do you mean pays the best or the site is one of the most reputable?

From what I've seen in this thread, it sounds to me like you're describing a search click fraud site. How else would they know when people are or are not doing complete searches so they can withhold search ad pay or search ad emails? Because they are a search click fraud site.

Good ways to tell a site is most likely a search click fraud site:

they allow more than occasional search ads that say 'if you search for me, this will be worth more next time' (incentivized searches are illegal)
they allow more than occasional search ads that say 'please do a valid search for me' (begging for searches is illegal)
they allow more than occasional search ads that, when paid link is clicked, already have the results displayed (searching for specific keywords to make more moey is illegal)
the site has a 'complete searchers list' and members have to request or do lotsa searches every day to get on it Personally, I hate it when members send me emails wanting to get on my active searchers list. I don't know if they're members of too many search click fraud sites or they are testing me. If it's a test, I know I passed.
Using an active searchers list is a big red flag that the site is a search click fraud site. At a reputible site, like TTM, all one need do to get search ads is tick the interest and be from one of the Tier 1 or 2 countries. For the rest, we have Int'l Searches which all may click.
Most new sites, not all, who only accept members from Tier 1 or Tier 1 and 2 countries do so because all they want are searchers who will make them money. I say not all because I personally know of one site that doesn't accept members from certain countries due to being scammed in the past many times from the countries she bans. If there's one site like that, there are more. I don't know about them due to running TTM in between doctors' appointments and hugging the porcelain god leaves precious little time for me to do anything else, including but not limited to, reading ads at other sites.

The foregoing is not meant as an idictment of any particular site. Rather it is meant only so the newbies and uninformed can better choose which sites to join and which ones to run away from. Then again, it the clicker (rather than ads reader) has no honor and is only concerned with making money regardless of who else gets hurt, live your life as you choose. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything.

FTR: I mean no disrespect nor was I referring to any honest sites' POs as I would hope no other honest PO would slander me. I speak from experience when I say that honest POs have way too much to do to be coming in here and slamming one another.

Hope this wasn't too 'over the top'

Edited for clarity

That particular line is supposed to have the domain name on it. If it's giving an error message, it could be that the site changed their signup/confirm page settings and it can most likely be resolved if they do an AutoUpdate. I'm 99% sure it's nothing the members need be concerned about as the PO will remedy the situation as soon as s/he learns of it.

PS. Thanks for letting me know what page that was as I've been meaning to edit it for quite some time.

Dear Ron,

I believe it's the first.
Truth is, apart from TTM I know only one other site where you can earn resonable amounts without being forced to search. (The other one is aPairOf)

And the frequently praised sites from the Gain Group are typical search fraud sites - everybody knows, I believe

regards,
Richard

PS: if anybody knows other non-forcing sites with credits per mail higher than 0.3 ct, let me know

By any chance, does anyone have a list of the search click fraud sites? We're rather particular about the ads we run at TTM.

http://www.pecomail.com/pages/banned.php
http://www.spare-dollars.com/pages/banned.php

Btw Rick... PolarPTR sorta meets your criterian.

Thanks very much

Back up and running now at Dayseeking

Hello again,

this is probably off topic, but it just came to my mind concerning all these search stuff.

Since I'm from Austria I'm also a member of several german PTR-sites.

The thing I don't really understand is the following.

There are nearly no search-mails running in the german-speaking PTR scene, nevertheless the credits per mail are comparable.

So it should be possible to do without forced searches and without PTR collapsing (?)

True, US sites send out 50+ mails daily, and german sites only a few per day - some even only one mail every few days.
But what difference does it make to the members whether to be with a few sites sending out many mails per day or to be with many sites sending out each a few mails only ?

kind regards,
Richard

We don't employ forced searching and we're far, far away from collapsing.

One thing comes to mind about the difference between clicking hundreds of ads at few sites or clicking few links at hundreds of sites is that clicking at more sites takes much longer to hit payout whereas clicking hundreds of daily links at few sites and the payout is easier to attain.

Yep, I'm wondering why there are not more sites like yours.



That's true, but as long as one stays with sites that are known to be honest, it doesn't matter much whether my money is on my paypal-account or on my site account.
Another funny thing about this topic is the following: there seems to be a psychological phenomenon that people (in Europe) consider US-sites to give more credit.
Of course, if I get 50 mails daily, each credited with 0.5 cent, then I will make 7,5 $ per month. But if you compare the credits per email (and this is the only thing you can compare) I know some sites that will pay you up to 3 cent per mail (and they are proven to be honest) - of course these are sites that send 1 single mail every few days.
Considering also the current $ / € ratio......

regards,
Richard

Probably one of the biggest reasons there aren't more sites like mine is that most of us honest POs cannot afford to go 2 yrs before we turn a profit and it's easier for the scam sites to get in, steal from the members and open another site to steal some more.

As far as thew "honest sites" that pay you 3¢ per link, do they pay you or credit your account? Big difference in the two. Check out their ads prices (or tell me the site and I'll check for you). I saw a site earlier today that had a 3¢ ad to all 6700 members for 59¢. How many members are really going to get paid for clicking that link?

Dear Ron,

the sites I'm speaking of are all german sites.

www.bonimail.de
www.clubmail.de
www.earnstar.de
www.info-mails.de
www.primusportal.de
www.profitmails.de
www.reading4money.de
wiena.de

I have compiled all the details of german mailers I'm with here:
http://members.leox.net/goergl/money/DmailerE.htm

The ratio of ad prices compared to mail credits is reasonable, but you'll see that many of them have a rather high payout - so my money is still on their account.

However, from independent forums I can be sure they are reliable.

kind regards,
Richard