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twelfth
another thread on greenletter i have downlines gone after i reached about 7$ near to payout. i signed up from downline builder

i should have 2, 14, 42, 2, 2 (cant remember already)

now i left with
Your Referrals :
Tier 1:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(0 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:( Total Referrals)
Tier 4:( Total Referrals)
Tier 5:( Total Referrals)


upline is dayxiangxp

downline are
samideng & progambler35(from referral exchange folder)
verlaine,
homeincome,
Chomicz
chamberofweed

well i already pm them hope they will response back
Enchanted
aa.gif I thought we should be doing things the other way around when it is a complaint. Send the webmaster an email or contact them on support folder, give them reasonable time to answer and if your problem is not sorted out, then complain. aa.gif
twelfth
yes i emailed them, the purpose i post here is to be transparent how the thing goes how they going to react if those downline still active not deleted
ppprk
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 03:16 AM)
another thread on greenletter i have downlines gone after i reached about 7$ near? to payout. i signed up from downline builder

i should have 2, 14, 42, 2, 2 (cant remember already)

now i left with
Your Referrals :?
Tier 1:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(0 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:( Total Referrals)
Tier 4:( Total Referrals)
Tier 5:( Total Referrals)


upline is dayxiangxp

downline are
samideng & progambler35(from referral exchange folder)
verlaine,
homeincome,
Chomicz
chamberofweed

well i already pm them hope they will response back

They said in their last email they would remove inactive & cheaters..
I lost some referrals too & went from $7.8393600000001 down to $-1.6572...
(and of course no payment)
So I still hate CAC script
twelfth
it seem so many are cheaters?
ppprk
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 03:33 AM)
it seem so many are cheaters?

I am not sure..
I didn't lose so many referrals,but lost more than $8

1) current stat

Your Referrals :
Tier 1:(14 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(125 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(158 Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(145 Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(117 Total Referrals)

Total Earnings : $-1.6572
=============================
2) some days old stats
Your Referrals :
Tier 1:(15 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(127 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(153 Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(127 Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(96 Total Referrals)

Total Earnings : $7.8393600000001
Enchanted
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 08:29 AM)
yes i emailed them, the purpose i post here is to be transparent how the thing goes how they going to react if those downline still active not deleted

hmmmmmmmmmm
GreenLetter
Hello from GreenLetter,
An email was sent to all members letting them know that during this cashout period (which we started early) that all inactive members, obvious bogus accounts (with addresses like asfdasdfs, etc.), China & India members (prohibited members) would be removed during cashout reviews and general reviews, along with use of an anti-cheat module that we purchased for the script this month.

I also let everyone know that it may affect their downline and earnings somewhat.

Think about this folks - why would I want to remove a good member - that's what we WANT - more of them even. We are simply keeping our database clean and up to the standards that we and our advertisers require.

If you lost referrals, I can only encourage you to seek out new good referrals to take their place.

GreenLetter is known for paying on time and with a smile! ab.gif We are in this for the long run.

If you have any questions, you can email me personally at webmaster@greenletter.com.

Happy Earnings & Have a GREEN Day!
Will, Webmaster
gilles99
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 04:33 AM)
it seem so many are cheaters?

same here, so close to cashing out, downline all gone and over $2 as well
ppprk
I only lost 5% of my referrals(27) & they are mainly on my level 4,5,but $8 is gone aj.gif
Zombie Master
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 06:46 PM)
downline are
samideng & progambler35(from referral exchange folder)
verlaine,
homeincome,
Chomicz
chamberofweed

well i already pm them hope they will response back

I am sorry that you HAD Verlaine in your downline.

I will say this now, and lachlanm can back this up as well as other mods.

Verlaine is a cheat and FRAUD. They tried to scam money out of a person on this forum using the money exchange, it was only when it was noticed that it was going through an exchange program setup by GMTech that they got banned permanently from the site.


As to lost downline, if you contact the WM first before posting it is good, as seen you did that, but still wait for it to be fixed. The problem with CAC scripts is, and this is from personal observation, is that when you remove someone at a set tier, all the downline below them is also lost. I think I remember Z-Cash had this problem at one stage and the WM there had to manually fix the downline up.

Even Mail2nv had it, which is lachlanm's site, he's now installed a script to stop that from happening. Well, I think it was him, I'm in too many sites ab.gif
ym8818
greenletter:

you said china member are all banned? I can not find this in greenletter terms.

would you pls clear this again?

Thank
aaronavouris
DID have:

Your Referrals :
Tier 1:(40 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(150+ Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(130+ Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(100+ Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(90+ Total Referrals)

Cash: $20.00+

NOW:

Tier 1: 39
Tier 2: 17
Tier 3: 19
Tier 4: 2
Tier 5: 0

Cash: $-4.64

NOT very happy.
ppprk
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Apr 29 2003, 05:01 PM)
As to lost downline, if you contact the WM first before posting it is good, as seen you did that, but still wait for it to be fixed. The problem with CAC scripts is, and this is from personal observation, is that when you remove someone at a set tier, all the downline below them is also lost. I think I remember Z-Cash had this problem at one stage and the WM there had to manually fix the downline up.

Greenletter doesn't fix the lost downline problem
twelfth
just wonder now greenletter has how many members in total since so many were deleted.

any mod can help me with the contacting samideng my 1st level downline

another 1st level progambler35, he/she replied to me that still active.

i know Verlaine was banned but he from level two even he fraud or cheating activity it will affect my level three onward.

unless is the CAC script problem as someone has stated earlier on.

but so far i have no problem with mailfest anyone with downlines decreased down there? ao.gif
ppprk
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 10:28 PM)
but so far i have no problem with mailfest anyone with downlines decreased down there? ao.gif

not yet for me...
Zombie Master
QUOTE (ym8818 @ Apr 30 2003, 12:47 PM)
greenletter:

you said china member are all banned? I can not find this in greenletter terms.

would you pls clear this again?

Thank

He's actually stated it in a few emails he has sent out, just hasnt updated the terms and conditions on the site.

If you read about Mailfest, which is his other site you will find the details there reguarding that.
SolidLikeRock
Obvuiously it is a script problem and doesn't reflect the right situation.
Give wm sometime,it is a good gptr,no body is going to remain in negative earnings and all will be fixed.
Greenletter is one of the few gptr which is way above the average one..just be patient..one guy has to look after everything...i am optimist in this scenario.
ppprk
my earnings came back aa.gif
it was not a downline problem ac.gif
Total Earnings : $9.411352
Zombie Master
QUOTE (ppprk @ May 1 2003, 04:44 PM)
my earnings came back aa.gif
it was not a downline problem ac.gif
Total Earnings : $9.411352

What was it... clicked a negative 'cheat' link ab.gif

Though I'm not sure if I have seen one in GL yet...
ym8818
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!
Zombie Master
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 06:21 PM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Firstly. DO NOT SHOUT!

Secondly, have you contacted him about it, and if you have, have you been nice in your emails. Because when he did change it he got quite a lot of emails, including death threats from people within China.

He changed the terms when he launched Mail Fest, so it wasnt surprising that they changed to match his other site.
ppprk
QUOTE (Jaikula @ May 1 2003, 02:36 AM)
QUOTE (ppprk @ May 1 2003, 04:44 PM)
my earnings came back  aa.gif
it was not a downline problem  ac.gif
Total Earnings :  $9.411352

What was it... clicked a negative 'cheat' link ab.gif

Though I'm not sure if I have seen one in GL yet...

no,they had a temporary glitch that caused the percentages to reset

from this thread aa.gif
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=0&#entry593224
b21jpv
Im still short about $3.00 dollars. ah.gif
Zombie Master
QUOTE (ppprk @ May 1 2003, 07:31 PM)
QUOTE (Jaikula @ May 1 2003, 02:36 AM)
QUOTE (ppprk @ May 1 2003, 04:44 PM)
my earnings came back? aa.gif
it was not a downline problem? ac.gif
Total Earnings :? $9.411352

What was it... clicked a negative 'cheat' link ab.gif

Though I'm not sure if I have seen one in GL yet...

no,they had a temporary glitch that caused the percentages to reset

from this thread aa.gif
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=0&#entry593224

*chuckles*

I keep forgetting about his support folder on here, not that I need to use it...

*wonders if there was any change in his earnings and such*
Chomicz
I would like to add something to the discussion.

I'm not at home now and I'm using a public computer. Yesterday when I heard from twelfth about his downline decrease I tried to login and I couldn't. No error page but also no links. At home I had a direct link to my earnings and I successfuly restored it in my mind (your_current_earnings.php). And I see my stats:

Paid Email Clickthrus : $1.5957
Credits : $0
Reason for credit Amount credited Date of credit
Sign Up Bonus : $1.00

Paid Signups : $0

Referral Bonus : $0.25

Debits : $0
Reason for debit Amount debited Date of debit

Your Referrals :
Tier 1:(2 Total Referrals)
Tier 2:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 3:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 4:(1 Total Referrals)
Tier 5:(4 Total Referrals)


Total Earnings : $3.788839


It all point that twelfth SHOULD have all downline levels. If not, it's a CAC problem. I hate CAC scripts too, but what can I do? Qiut programs?
GreenLetter
Hello Everyone from GreenLetter,
I have found a provider that has a patch for the CAC dowline problem when a member leaves or is deleted everything else goes with it. I will have this patch installed in the next day or 2, and hopefully this will not happen in the future. Thanks to everyone for pointing this out to me - I can't find problems without your help.

Thanks also to those that suggested top timers - everyone seems to be happy with that patch as well, so on we go. If I continue to have CAC problems I will go to CC, but I am reluctant to do that.

Thanks!
WILL
lachlanm
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Apr 30 2003, 07:31 AM)
QUOTE (twelfth @ Apr 29 2003, 06:46 PM)
downline are
samideng & progambler35(from referral exchange folder)
verlaine,
homeincome,
Chomicz
chamberofweed

well i already pm them hope they will response back

I am sorry that you HAD Verlaine in your downline.

I will say this now, and lachlanm can back this up as well as other mods.

Verlaine is a cheat and FRAUD. They tried to scam money out of a person on this forum using the money exchange, it was only when it was noticed that it was going through an exchange program setup by GMTech that they got banned permanently from the site.


As to lost downline, if you contact the WM first before posting it is good, as seen you did that, but still wait for it to be fixed. The problem with CAC scripts is, and this is from personal observation, is that when you remove someone at a set tier, all the downline below them is also lost. I think I remember Z-Cash had this problem at one stage and the WM there had to manually fix the downline up.

Even Mail2nv had it, which is lachlanm's site, he's now installed a script to stop that from happening. Well, I think it was him, I'm in too many sites ab.gif

I can verify that.

Verlaine was banned from the forum for trying to scam money using money exchange, involved hacking payment accounts & using them to trade for egold

Yes Mail2NV had the CAC downline problem, our programmer fixed it within 30 minutes, now all downline levels are moved up

This is vital in any GPTR, otherwise members will not be truely rewarded for referals and they will feel like they lose more referals than they recieve, makes you feel like your adveritsing for nothing!!

aa.gif
ppprk
site is down ah.gif
clickguy
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 03:51 PM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Did you enter china as your country?
Zombie Master
QUOTE (clickguy @ May 3 2003, 08:33 AM)
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 03:51 PM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Did you enter china as your country?

Whether he entered China as his country or not wouldnt matter. IP's can be checked to make sure you are from the country you claim to me.

Also, by asking that question clickguy you are asking if he cheated by placing another country within his details. That is fraud and against the terms of 99.99% of the GPT sites around. Your information must be correct.
wisper198
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 01:51 AM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Here is what GreenLetter's terms and all other GPTs that I know of state:

QUOTE
Terms and Conditions
By signing up and using the GreenLetter program you agree to all terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. GreenLetter may, at any time, choose to edit, add and/or delete portions of this agreement and impose changes without prior notification of its members. Members will be informed of any and all changes to this policy via an email to their primary contact email address provided upon signing up with GreenLetter. If any modification is unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to terminate this agreement. Your continued participation in the GreenLetter program following our posting of a change in policy notice or new agreement on our site will constitute binding acceptance to the change.


This means they have the right, and you agreed upon signing up that they have the right, to change terms at any time. ALL businesses can change their policy to suit there needs as long as they stay within laws. All I can say is if you don't like terms being changed you mgiht not want to be in this industry, because I haven't joined a program yet that did not at one point or another change soemthing.
ppprk
QUOTE (wisper198 @ May 2 2003, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 01:51 AM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Here is what GreenLetter's terms and all other GPTs that I know of state:

QUOTE
Terms and Conditions
By signing up and using the GreenLetter program you agree to all terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. GreenLetter may, at any time, choose to edit, add and/or delete portions of this agreement and impose changes without prior notification of its members. Members will be informed of any and all changes to this policy via an email to their primary contact email address provided upon signing up with GreenLetter. If any modification is unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to terminate this agreement. Your continued participation in the GreenLetter program following our posting of a change in policy notice or new agreement on our site will constitute binding acceptance to the change.


This means they have the right, and you agreed upon signing up that they have the right, to change terms at any time. ALL businesses can change their policy to suit there needs as long as they stay within laws. All I can say is if you don't like terms being changed you mgiht not want to be in this industry, because I haven't joined a program yet that did not at one point or another change soemthing.


I think that if they changed the terms,they should pay chinese members who joined before they changed the terms
if they want to remove the chinese members ,they have to pay the chinese members before removing them( chinese members)

Of course that doesn't apply to the chinese members who joined after they changed their terms
As far as I know,Greenletter didn't ban chinese members from the first & mailfest banned them from the beginning
verdan
my account delete. am.gif
ym8818
QUOTE (ppprk @ May 3 2003, 10:26 AM)
QUOTE (wisper198 @ May 2 2003, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (ym8818 @ May 1 2003, 01:51 AM)
HE DELETE MY ACCOUNT JUST COS I'M A CHINESE. I ALMOST REACH THE PAYOUT AND I DID NOT CHEAT ANY PROGRAM. NOW THE MONEY I EARNED IS BELONG HIM.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST WB MAKE SURE WHICH COUNTRY IS BANNED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PROGRAM LUACH. AND DO NOT CHANGE TERM WHILE MEMBER REACH THE PAYOUT.
OTHERWISE I WILL SAY WEBMASTER IS A CHEATER!

Here is what GreenLetter's terms and all other GPTs that I know of state:

QUOTE
Terms and Conditions
By signing up and using the GreenLetter program you agree to all terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. GreenLetter may, at any time, choose to edit, add and/or delete portions of this agreement and impose changes without prior notification of its members. Members will be informed of any and all changes to this policy via an email to their primary contact email address provided upon signing up with GreenLetter. If any modification is unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to terminate this agreement. Your continued participation in the GreenLetter program following our posting of a change in policy notice or new agreement on our site will constitute binding acceptance to the change.


This means they have the right, and you agreed upon signing up that they have the right, to change terms at any time. ALL businesses can change their policy to suit there needs as long as they stay within laws. All I can say is if you don't like terms being changed you mgiht not want to be in this industry, because I haven't joined a program yet that did not at one point or another change soemthing.


I think that if they changed the terms,they should pay chinese members who joined before they changed the terms
if they want to remove the chinese members ,they have to pay the chinese members before removing them( chinese members)

Of course that doesn't apply to the chinese members who joined after they changed their terms
As far as I know,Greenletter didn't ban chinese members from the first & mailfest banned them from the beginning

i agree.

he had right to change terms, but it shall be reasonable and can not damage honest member's benifits.

BTW:
If WB deleted chinese member just cos many of them don't understand english or use some cheater software, he can send some test or false email to find them and delete them ( i'm also shame of them). but i think this rule shall implemented to all member but not ban a COUNTY simply.
I think there is no difference between honest chinese membe who undstand english and Amercian member or othe conutry's member.
GreenLetter
I think I should pipe up here - we are paying Chinese, Pakistan and India members if they are near or over cashout amounts. We do not think that it would be fair to simply delete someone who honestly clicked. I wish everyone in these countries HONESTLY clicked - unfortunately, we run about a 65% fraud ratio for these areas.

Thanks,
WILL
GreenLetter Webmaster
twelfth
Hi greenletter WM how is my downline stats now? been fixed?

thank
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