Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your great feedback here.

The problem with most of you here is you join a debate without doing your
own due diligence.

In New Zealand we call that the sheep mentality.

You follow the leader and if the leader decides to jump off a cliff, you all follow
suit without thinking.

The only misleading being done is by members of this forum, who have gone off
half cocked without the slightest bit of research. [shame on you]

Not one of you, here emailed me as part owner for an explaination of what the
software does or why we decided to develop such a program.

Yes I must admit, the original copy which we had sold could have been abused
by the unscrupulous, but hey doesn't all programs have people like that.

We removed that copy immediately when we were advised of that posssibility
and replaced it with, what I think is a lot better for the user and even the p2r
owner if you actually sat down and looked at what we have developed, instead
of emotionally slagging it as a cheat program without even using it.

I respect everyone's opinion IF, it is researched properly and based on facts and
not on conjecture.

To claim our software is spyware is just pure scare mongering, unjust and downright
plain stupid.

The irresponsible people claiming this have not presented any proof of their lame
claim.

Here is something none of you even bothered finding out.

We are the only software company that offers a lifetime refund policy.
We want all our clients and members to be lifetime clients, so we don't insult them
with anything less.

Now if you ordered the program and didn't like it for whatever reason, guess what
...yes you get a refund. No if's, no but's, no excuses. Period.

So now we can get back to this stupid, idiotic and ridiculous statement that we
develop spyware. Sheeze talk about being paranoid.

If you had purchased the product, after installing it and running any and all
spyware software you can get your hands on, you will not find any Snazzy Products
come up as spyware.

Yes Snazzy Promotions, develops innovative and unique software programs, but
we have never and will never bring out software that will endanger peoples
livelihoods whether as a program owner or as the end user.

What we will continue to develop is software that will help people gain back time
that is otherwise lost to their friends and family in trying to eek out a living on the
internet.

Here is how the new release of Snazzy Paid 2 Read Optimizer works.

1. You need a seperate email account to send all your p2r email to.
2. The software will then read and collect all the links into a central database
3. The db is stored on your computer
4. The software must be opened at all times for the links to be read 1 at a time
5. The link gets read and brings up the web page being advertised
6. The web page is timed as 1 minute before going to next link
7. If you open another web page while the program is running it will stop.
So the program at all times must be the only thing running on your desktop.
8. After 30 seconds you can then click a continue button that will tell the software
to go to another link. [a must if that page is of no interest to you.]
9. You can click a pause button to read the web page if it is of interest to you.
10. If you close the program before it has finished reading all the links it has
extracted, they get stored until, such time that you start the program again.
11. All emails are still downloaded to the clients pc, so they can review them for
admin emails.

None of the above actually helps any user CHEAT P2R owners.

What it does do is help the member finally to get organized in order to make the
money from P2R programs that all of you as admin and owners tout as being
possible.

I do have some thoughts of my own as to why, there has been such a ruckus
kicked up and I hope that I am wrong.

Now before we continue, I will tell you that I am a bean counter and like to see
both sides of the ledger balanced, whether it be with opinions or dollars.

I see the biggest concern of the P2R admins as being this:

Having to pay out more money on the emails they send out.

Why?

I know that from email marketing, not all emails actually get read, whether paid
or not.

So the P2R admin is making more profit from the emails that are not clicked by the members
to make money from their program. This is an unexpected windfall for admins.

Lets say you send out 1000 emails that can earn your member 10 cents for clicking.
Now I am not sure of what percentage of members get around to clicking but I
would say that approx no more than 65 -70% will actually receive the email and click
on the link.

So that's an estimated 30-35% of less money the admins have to make in their total
payouts, and yet the advertiser/s doesn't receive a refund because less people
have clicked to earn from that link.

Obviously the larger your database and the price charged to the advertiser, for that
paticular P2R email, depends on how much the member makes from clicking on it.

Now please don't go misreading what I am saying. It just happens to be excepted
as the norm, whether advertisers realise this or not.

So what our software does is now enables all members to earn from 100% of the links
sent to them and nothing less. Are they now deemed as cheaters because they can
finally get organized enough not to miss another paid email.

Or is it the admins of P2R actually doing the cheating by not allowing their members
to earn the full potential of all emails sent to them.

What I actually saw our software doing was helping all P2R admins increase their own
membership database which in turn helps them charge more for emails to a larger
database for their clients.

I have been involved in offline advertising and all advertisers know as a fact of life
that not everyone is going to read their advertisement, and from the ones that do, the
percent of sales is still very low.

This is not conjecture, but a realisation as an advertiser and one who sold advertising.

Now let me offer some advice or insight that most of you have overlooked.

The advertiser is not concerned with what you have to payout in order for people to
click on a link to go to their website.

What they are concerned with is what it costs them and the results of their advertising.

They are only interested in the conversion ratio of the number of hits to sales.

So if they have written an enticing email and the web site entices the prospective
client further in and they make a sale they are happy, they know that email works.

Now if an email is bland or over hyped then they can not expect the same no matter
how good their web site is.

Ok, so back to our software program and why it is actually a bonus for the advertiser.

The advertiser in a way, now doesn't have to rely totally on whether they have written
a top notch email as this is bypassed and the people are taken directly to the
advertisers web site.

Our software has a built in web browser.

So now the pressure is on the advertiser to ensure that their sales letter on their web
site does the selling and not the hype contained in an email.

So now tell me why a user of our program can be deemed as cheating the system.

The advertiser has paid for people to go to their web site period and we get people to
do exactly that.

Now whether your member actually buys or not is not of your concern.

Your obligation in getting people to the advertisers site has been accomplished, once that
web site is loaded in our software. The software can not and will not go to another link
until 1 minute has passed or the user elects to click the continue button after 30 seconds
has passed. This makes sense if the user has no interest in what is being offered on that
particular web site.

If I was clicking from an email then I could just click the link and move on to the next one.
After all I am clicking to earn money, not because I want to go to some advertisers web site
but because I can make money.

So our software actually makes people stay for no less than 30 seconds on that web site.

Your only obligation is to pay your member for going to that web site as per your
agreement and the reason they joined in the first place.

Just because your members are more organized and can now actually start to earn and
benefit from their time to look or read a web site is no reason to try and dictate to them
on how they achieve the result.

Your advertiser is not disadvantaged, they actually do get an eyeball to their web site
and it is up to them to do the selling, NOT you.

Again I must reiterate that our first release could have been deemed as a cheater, and
that is why we re-wrote the software to make it totally manual except for the extraction
of the links.

Please do feel free to evaluate everything I have said and do yourselves a favor and
make comments from actually doing your due diligence, instead of trying to lump us into
something that is not there.

Now to finish if you bothered reading this far.

The statements about us being forced to remove links from our site is simply that person
trying to make themselves out to be the all important and saviour of P2R programs.

A self appointed police officer if you will.

We removed the links because we were asked very nicely from a P2R admin owner, who
suggested that until we wrote in and explained what our software was all about, it would
be prudent of us to remove it.

OH, BTW we do have P2R admins that did ask for a detail explaination of our software
and are quite satisfied that it is not a cheater software.

Now I would like nothing more than to release their names and programs but, they fear
that you, [Removed], are going to
black list them like you have done to our P2R program www.read4bucks.com

Again this has been done without any brains or intelligence used. Just a simple seek and
destroy tactic.

Which I must admit has backfired, so keep up the slandering as people are coming in
their droves to see why we are being blacklisted and joining.

And another thing whilst I am having so much fun, since all the fuss on this forum our
sales have skyrocketed for the program.

Again we thank you.

Best of luck in your business
Arty


Please try to refrain from using personal attacks that may offend members. Thanks.

That's nice,

What is also nice is that all Mail2NV members using this software were deleted.

Thankyou for the free money that you have given me and honest mail2nv members!

I am glad to see your sales have skyrocketed, as that means more people will be emailing you complaining & abusing you, and me & my members will be recieving more money.

I also wonder why i see your software available for $15US and other low prices on the blackmarket, perhaps it is because your software encourages such illegal & unethical practices like these. Why pay full price for software that we use to cheat? When we can cheat the software in the first place! Perhaps they could call you the king of the cheats?

Your life must be so fulfilling, promoting and living on something that aims but fails to make honest, hardworking webmasters upset & to decrease the quality of their program and waste advertisers dollars.

I do not need to tell you that members are paid to read the paidmail, it would be more useful having 10 honest members than 10000 using your software, because those 10000 members are not people they are robots.

Have a great day, thankyou for the free money that you have given me & my members, thankyou for giving me an excuse to eliminate known cheaters.

You have done alot for the GPTR world, and i now know that while your program crumbles, ours will strengthen!

Thankyou take care

HAHA

1. No one pays $0.10 a click
2. Many programs work on a per click basis, ie i sell paidmails for 100 hits or 200 hits.

Thank god that none of those 100 or 200 hits are from people using your software, becuase that would just be another wasted 1 cent given to a member.


I would comment on the rest of your post but I can't be stuffed. I realize that this is a major concern in your life but to me you are little.

Arrg, really, calling the forum "sheep"?
Not a good start really. 2ndly, "I" as well had to write to your host to get my sites off there, and at least 2 more have written you asking to be removed and are as yet still there. The reply? "Try it first before you decide"
Not the point now was it? Really do not have to "try" robbing a bank to decide i won't do it.

AND AGAIN arty, how EXACTLY do my advertisers benefit by your turning an advertiisng industry into an surf site? Those without sites at all? no answer yet on that is there?

why do you think surf sites are FAR less expensive to advertise on?
To imply site owners want a "lower" click rate is laughable. Most want as high a ctr as possible. I personally want "results" as you say, and your program does NOT do that.

Trusting someone who has to write their own "kudos" is absurd.

quoting arty : The problem with most of you here is you join a debate without doing your
own due diligence.
In New Zealand we call that the sheep mentality.


LOL, that is a nice introduction, you really think we didn't check what we were all talking about ? Did you make your own due diligence before posting that ?

You only removed my site after I had your hosting Make you.. and I have the copy of the email I sent you and you sent me.. So I know I asked very professional and nice. I also have the email sent by your hosting where they assured me they would make you remove my site immediately.. and only then did it get removed.. I know another webmaster that didn't gone to your hosting yet that asked u twice and you just recently removed them after you decided to remove them.. not when they asked you to remove them..

You misled your consumers by stating that they could use sparky to use your program without even asking me if it was okay.. You broke numerous TOS rules and mis-represented Sparky-Mail.

The whole reason I don't like your program is the fact that the members are paid to read the ads... not the site... the link to the site states that they are being paid for reading the ad. If they like what they see in the ad then the link takes them to the site and they can read more or sign up if they wish. If they don't they can just click the link to get paid for reading the ad... with your program you are eliminating the whole thing of reading the ads... Not to mention there may be important information that I may need to get to my members if they are running your program then they will never see the information then wonder what's up when something happens...


had you removed my site when asked I wouldn't have posted it in the first place.. but you decided you were going to remove it when you wanted to and I wanted to let all my members know I didn't give you permission to make any statements such as you did about your program and my site...

That's good news! Anyone who buys this software will need that refund after they have been deleted from all of the PTR programs for cheating.

My terms clearly state:
Members may earn by receiving and reading paid emails

It is cheating and anyone caught using this software will be deleted.

LOL

Problem is no ones going to refund all the money people lose from the gptr's.

Members join up a get paid to read program.

They MUST and are REQUIRED to read the emails.

not a program!!

thats the tos and rules of every get paid to read email program!!

so your software is ILLEGAL and CHEATING every webmaster.

apologize to all and refund all monies paid by the members of the gptr industry who lost their accounts with their gptr programs and for MISLEADING them.

We the members of get paid to read programs ARE PAID TO READ!!

NOT PAID TO CLICK.



get it Arty?

Paid to Read!

NOT Paid to Click

Well, I just posted a reply in the original thread before I read this -- I believe your description of the way your program works definitely validates what I sketched out there -- what you've written is a surf until stopped program, which cannot be good for the GPTR industry.

On Click-thru rates: A webmaster sells a $ .01 ad to his whole program for, say, $10 based on a historical click-thru rate of 50%. Let's say he generally pays out $9 to the members who click, leaving $1 profit. If your program causes the click-thru rate to suddenly rise to 100%, now he has to pay out $18 to members.

One of three things can now happen, as I see it:

• The WM has to lower the payout for the link to $ .005.
• The WM raises the price of the ad to $20. The advertiser probably burns through his budget twice as fast, meaning he can only place half the number of ads.
• The advertiser, who is now paying twice as much for results that are the same (or worse) than before, pulls his ads and goes somewhere else where he can get a decent return for his money.

Which of these results is good for anyone in the long run?

You make comments that you don't think we should make statements without knowing when you are doing the same thing. I myself am very honest to my advertiser's. I give them honest click thru rates and tell them if they pay for more member mails say like an ad to 2,000 and I don't have 2,000 members I give them the option to run an additional to make sure they get their monies worth.. So don't start accusing us of cheating our advertiser's when you don't know...

I wont waste space replying to all.

I'd never have guessed that, the all self important person would make comments again without reading my post in full.



Did you happen to overlook point number 11.
11. All emails are still downloaded to the clients pc, so they can review them for
admin emails.

When is a link to a web site misleading.

Does everyone have to get your say so to promote your business. [More power to you]

I don't respond to over zealous threats. If you had asked nicely like the P2R admin I mentioned in my post
I most certainly would have removed it earlier.

-- HAHA yourself again you have taken what I said out of context. That says alot!

I didn't call the forum "sheep". Now who is misleading whom.

The quote was:

Unless each and everyone of you can claim to be "The Forum". I thought you were members of the forum.

-- try going to the web site and look again. The list was actually removed in full over 24 hrs ago. Or maybe it is because you don't know how to refresh your browser to get the current page.

Now who is being dishonest, and becoming a cheater. I wonder!


Nope not all -- takes a little person to say little things -- that tells me all i need to know about you.

Keep ducking your heads in the sand and like others that miss a golden opportunity to take their business to another level you will be left wondering WHAT HAPPENED.

Don't kid yourselves about people wanting to read emails before clicking the link to make money.
From experience people scan emails for anything useful and that's it.

The person making reference to stolen product of ours being sold on the blackmarket. That's just par for the course, as i said in my post, you will always get those that will.

Do I waste my time trying to find them no. They eventually get reported and appropriate action taken.

Yours would be too if you pulled your head out of the sand long enough to see, that our software is not damaging your industry one bit. You trying to be a dictator to your members is something short of abhorant.

Like all programs on the Internet, they evolve and those that can see the bigger picture are rewarded and those that are stuck in small mindedness...well they also get what they deserve.

I love this forum, as it gives me a good insight into who is really making money from their programs.

Slag all you want about our program and until you actually know what you're talking about, you are the ones damaging yourselves and you don't need any help from me.

Ah, never mind, I see what we have here, it is a
"Gosh these webmasters make sooooooo much money on these sites so we can justify anything we do to get it from them" people.

No problem, we all know how to deal with those.

YOOOHOOOO
no comment still on your "testimonial"?
seems ignoring basic truths is something you excel at.

rofl

yeah you would know all about damaging people




haha still you dude, that's why their is a complaint threads about you and not my or our honest programs, i was simply saying thankyou for giving mail2nv members money and helping the program for all the money i have recieved by deleting people using your software. Gives the program a higher ratio of honest members, more paidmails, more advertisers because our results are better without your rubbish software. Your cheat software has given us a way to catch and remove members using your software, you are the head of cheaters after all, so we wouldn't want anything associated with you around would we now

Members are ofcourse given a warning, 3 times then out, many are unsuspecting about this software, and i understand that, that is why you are given warnings before you are deleted, so you can stop using the software. Problem is no one is actually reading it LMAO.


bye all

Yeah i guess we must be to buzy reading emails. Oh hangon you wouldn't know about that would you. LOL

There are words for you but i cannot say it on this forum

Don't worry iam sure you have heard them said to you many times before


As i said before your cheat software has just strengthened the GPTR world, we have deleted those using your software and we benefit from it, our members get the money we recover from cheaters, our advertisers get better quality, we have better members, we benefit.

You lose, cheaters always do, perhaps you could be the first person that makes a living from recieving money & then sending it all back? Becuase that's all your going to be doing lol.

bye

lol... thats funny because all he is doing us is giving our members more money... and making our programs better!




Perhaps this person couldn't read the words get paid to READ

Perhaps this person could use the money they've made from sales to buy an english dictionary, but you better do it quick before you have to return it all to your dissatisfied customers!

Excuse me but I think I was nice when I asked you.. further more my terms specifically state that no one can represent Sparky-Mail.. and obviously your hosting agreed otherwise they would not have made you remove my site... below are the emails...



now what was hateful about that.. It was a simple request... And you didn't even respond to that email..



there again still nice but asking for a response...

finally a response..



right there is where you made it clear you weren't removing my site until you got ready to.. And as far as me being powerful that's not correct.. But my terms specifically state you can not make statements or represent sparky in the way you did... you weren't doing it to help me and sparky you were doing it to get people to buy your software... and misleading them the whole time...


Did you happen to look over #2 The software will then read and collect all the links into a central database

you are telling people that they don't have to read the mails that the software will do it for u all you got to do is have the browser open to look at the site... that right there allows people to be considered cheating.. If they don't read the ad at the time they click the link then they are not doing what they are paid to do...no matter if the emails are in another place or not... the point is you read the ad then click the link for payment.. that's what ptrp is all about.... ptc on the other hand is paid to click the link and review the website that is totally different from paid to read programs..

This is steal cheating,ASan advertiser i am not willing to pay for somebody using autosurfer and not actually seeing my site,what this program does in owner words even if it is one site at a time is making sure user would be credited without being beside his screen at all.
He is right for the stats it counts as a visitor,is it a real visitor??No way,this software is bad for advertisres and bad for owners as well as members who seek real visitor and not fake ones!!!

Besides all this, if I spend time writing ad copy, I want people to READ it. I can name specific instances where I advertised my link, got no response, then changed the ad copy and the response improved immediately. The ad copy DOES make a difference.

So you are saying that members are paid to read and not paid by the advertiser to CLICK to the advertisers
site.

That's ripe!

I mean the whole point of receiving paid emails is for the reader to eventually go to the advertisers site
so they can be enticed into making a purchase of the advertisers product.

So what you are saying here is you don't care, if the reader goes to the site or not. ummmmmm makes me really wonder about what's going on here!

I wasn't accusing anyone, but hey if the boot fits wear it.

I was merely making a comment only not an accusation.


Why is it? The bottom line is advertisers want eyeballs to their sites to read their web site sales letter
and not be bothered with members having to read a whole lot of nothing first.

As advertising agents our job is to get eye balls to our paying advertisers end of story.



You don't mention the size of the membership these ads are going to!

That might very well be the case, but also impossible to happen. As sound business people I would assume you would increase your advertising rates accordingly to the number of members you have.

I agree totally with you on the $18.00 payout scenerio, but as an astute business person, you would also increase your rates as your membership / database grew.

You can not afford to charge the same for say a 1000 membership database as you would for 2000 or higher.

You see every new user is also a new member for your database.

So now with the advent of the software and over a period of time you could or might be able to offer your advertiser a higher click thru rate and accordingly charge a little more, from the results.

I don't need to remind you that you also have an option of limiting the number of clicks on any paid email.

Now someone is starting to think.

Why? If your database doesn't grow
then there is no need too.
You can only do that if your database has grown and you can offer a better CT for the advertiser.



Results can only be the same or worse for the advertiser if his web site is not seen. It is not the email that makes the advertiser happy with your service it is the number of CT's he gets and then the responsibilty is his own to do the selling to the user/client not you or the email.

Listen at the end of the day the advertiser is only interested in how many CT's your email has generated for
them. They can then analyze the CT's to sales and make the appropriate changes to their web site sales letter.

What I am reading from the replies, is not really the concerns of the advertiser but from P2R program admins and how much they will have to payout. This should be a good thing as more people will actually be eye balling the advertisers site.

Well if the advertiser is getting results he doesn't care about what you have to pay in order to achieve them.


Why not make sure he gets a good return for his money then. It is CT's he is after. He doesn't expect you to sell his product. I'd be weary of such an advertiser.

Listen folks I am not here to banter and make enemies with any of you.

What I am trying to establish is a better way for your members to earn from visiting your advertisers web sites, and help you establish a larger database of members in which to send ads too.

You are in business to make money from your advertisers and from your own members with your own admin emails.

It really appears to me that, the concern here should be about improving the historical 50% click thru for the
advertisers and in doing so you can all make more from the different sized memberships you have.

And then there is the P2R admin who has several lists and uses the combined memberships as a way to entice more dollars from the advertiser. When in fact the unique membership is lower than the combined.

It is like a safe list host saying they have 50,000 members, when infact the unique membership could be
7,500 because the majority of members belong to several safe lists.

So instead of wasting your time trying to shoot me down, why not look at ways this will benefit your advertiser as i am sure they would be elated at increased CT's to their web site.

You know that was low.. but you know what I am a better person than that... I don't have to go to forums to prove that my program is good or bad. My reputation speaks for itself.. So go ahead and keep bashing us webmaster's cause my members know I'm honest and my advertiser's know I'm honest.. so that's all I care about is what they think...

I hate to be the one to break this to you snazzy guy, but I already have a FREE version of a tool that does more than yours. Someone developed it a little while ago, and with more functionality. (It was developed for researching PTR)

He asked me not to post his link, but if you ask nicely, I'll send it to you, just PM me.

I'm sure the source and copyright is for sale. You might want to talk to this guy. And did I mention you don't have to pay $50.

This is an honest tool. It forces enforces site visiting.

LOL. $50. ######, that's harsh.

well I have asked my advertiser's and they totally agree and are behind me 100% so I can answer your post.. I did ask my advertiser's what they thought... and the answer was they did not want me to allow this software

many of my advertisers "have" spoken in this and other threads, the answer was a resounding NO to this flat out cheat ware
yes cheat ware,
if it swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, no matter how many stickers you post on it proclaiming it to be a swan, it is still a duck.

As an advertiser myself, I wouldn't bother advertising on a site that promotes the use of this software.
I pay to have people READ my advert.

I agree with kglaser - the ad copy DOES make a difference.

Arty, here is a simple question that should have a yes or no answer, but seems to me is the crux of the whole discussion:

If I boot up my computer, start your software, do I have to be at my computer for it to keep clicking on the links?

Care to field that one?

And the truth is NO.

Typsy both you and i have the wrong end of the stick.

I see by your reply you actually contacted our support staff. None of your emails were forwarded to me as you claimed, so now that I have read them, they are as you say quite polite. The only one that was sent to be was an abusive one and that was what I based my comments on.

However you claim that you and my host put pressure on me, is not correct.


As a matter of fact it is a genuine comment made by myself, as I used to do the paid2read thing many years ago and thought what a waste of time for the amount I was getting paid.

To make less than $5.00 per day reading emails was then a real waste of time, and it seems that it hasn't improved much.

do yourself a favor -- get a real job. Attacking me personally is like water of a duck's back.

In fact if you want a insult here's one for you.

I have been insulted by experts and you don't even measure up to their boot laces.

You know what amazes me or maybe it doesn't really taking into the consideration the mentality shown here in this forum.

1. Not one of you have posted comments from your advertisers
2. Not one of you have asked how or made suggestions on how we can make this program more acceptable.
You're all like the ostrich, dunking your head in the sand hoping that your abusiveness is gong to make it go away
3. Not one of you have actually read my post in full and made comments about what we have designed other than to slag it.

I would have thought that someone here had enough foresight to see a way that the program could be developed to ensure P2R admins were happy.

So stop your griping about the program if you can not be constructive in helping us develop a more friendly software. I can only guess and make alterations based on me looking at it from a users perspective.

At the end of the day if you want more control over how we develop it, then get off your high horses and start making suggestions on how we can make this program more WIN-WIN for everyone.

If you don't then you only have yourselves to blame, as we will continue developing this program with more features and enhancements with or without your input as P2R

And the truth is NO.

Typsy both you and i have the wrong end of the stick.

I see by your reply you actually contacted our support staff. None of your emails were forwarded to me as you claimed, so now that I have read them, they are as you say quite polite. The only one that was sent to be was an abusive one and that was what I based my comments on.

However you claim that you and my host put pressure on me, is not correct.


As a matter of fact it is a genuine comment made by myself, as I used to do the paid2read thing many years ago and thought what a waste of time for the amount I was getting paid.

To make less than $5.00 per day reading emails was then a real waste of time, and it seems that it hasn't improved much.

do yourself a favor -- get a real job. Attacking me personally is like water of a duck's back.

In fact if you want a insult here's one for you.

I have been insulted by experts and you don't even measure up to their boot laces.

You know what amazes me or maybe it doesn't really taking into the consideration the mentality shown here in this forum.

1. Not one of you have posted comments from your advertisers
2. Not one of you have asked how or made suggestions on how we can make this program more acceptable.
You're all like the ostrich, dunking your head in the sand hoping that your abusiveness is gong to make it go away
3. Not one of you have actually read my post in full and made comments about what we have designed other than to slag it.

I would have thought that someone here had enough foresight to see a way that the program could be developed to ensure P2R admins were happy.

So stop your griping about the program if you can not be constructive in helping us develop a more friendly software. I can only guess and make alterations based on me looking at it from a users perspective.

At the end of the day if you want more control over how we develop it, then get off your high horses and start making suggestions on how we can make this program more WIN-WIN for everyone.

If you don't then you only have yourselves to blame, as we will continue developing this program with more features and enhancements with or without your input as P2R admins.

Of course we would prefer your input but mindless slagging gets you no-where.

Hi,

I guess I have to post this again, I did post it in the other thread and ilovemlm said he/she would forward it to snazzy owners ....

I am not a owner, not a webmaster, just a member and advertiser.
I explained that my experience was as following, if I put an ad in the mail copying the standard ad from a site, I won't have many replies, if I have a very good ad written by people who can do that very well (and I should thanks them more often for that ;-)), I see the results jump up ... so obviously the people are reading my ads ... and I don't think they would go back read the ads if the mail is stored somewhere in PC and links already clicked.

This is not attacking any software or whatever thing, it's just my experience, people reading the mail, clicking the link and then see the website, all in this order, has the greatest result .... and I didn't talk like that before I begun to advertise myself, I thought no one read the ads on mail but I was wrong ....

Sophie

arty

care to comment on why 75% (35) of your refs have the same @myecom.net mail system??

you promote your software and you dont even use it yourself, even your co-conspirator doesnt use it!!

i have spoken to my advertisers and ebay ad winners and they are all against the use of your software. im sure they would also be against a raise in advertising rates to accomodate your program.

tipsy a cheater? ROFL you dont know her very well!!

steve
webmaster@sirclickalot.com

Answer to Arty's question --

I am an advertiser. I advertise quite a bit. I want my ad copy read, and then my link clicked directly after.

I do not want my ad copy retained one place for later reading.

My clickthrough/sales rates are considerably higher when I have ad copy accompany a link as opposed to a link only paid mail.

Any PTR program that does not clearly state that they prohibit use of this program will cease to receive my advertising dollars.

How clear is that?

umm, lets see, Sophie has advertised with me, Alorylic has advertised with me, along with several others who have made it clear how they feel, my advertisers are indeed posting.

And since you think posting a supposed "email" from yourself if is perfectly honest and above board, as well as one from your partner think i will emulate you and write up praise for my programs posting it all over my sites, ya think?

"Gosh Mary you and Sandra are the BEST! I always knew advertising could get results, but it is nice to get Dollars from my efforts, this is even better than your other site!" Oh and you are witty and charming too, did i mention modest, a genius and....."

Very honest of you indeed. And we are to trust your intentions?

well I can't help it if your support staff answers your email and doesn't forward them to you.. that's not my problem.. the point is someone from your company replied back that is the truth.. and the truth is that my site did not come off after these two emails until I contacted your hosting and he/she replied with this


then and only then after I received that email did my site finally come off.. So that proves that it took me going to your hosting to have my site removed...


and I don't just post emails I receive from my advertisers/members but since you are asking to review the responses I have received on the subject. I have sent out an email to my advertiser's that I asked for their permission to post their response up here... and will do so as they reply...

Ok I accept your above comment, but you do not state whether your sales improved.
The software DOES NOT show a link.
It takes the user to your web site, so your web site needs to do the selling not the email.
so perhaps you need your adcopy written for your web site instead. just making a comment and not
trying to be smart.

hey popcorn -- read what I posted and not what you want to read from it. I didn't accuse her of cheating.
The comment was if the boot fits wear it. I think you have been watching to many mid afternoon soaps.
We don't use myecom because we have our own server and can use any email address we want to have the
emails sent to.

Alot of your members new and existing might not have that luxury, so we simply did a search for possible
alternatives for people. Whether they use them or not is of no consequence as I make nothiing from the suggestion.

Anyting else you want to try an make look sinister.



Again someone using their heads in asking for more information.
I am more than happy to field this question, although the answer is one you may not be expecting.

As I have been trying to state in my earlier post the only thing on auto is the collecting of the links and storing them for the software to read and take the user to the advertisers link.

1. The software will stop if the another web page is opened.
2. The software must be the only program opened on the users PC.
3. The program will NOT automatically go to the next link without the users interacting with the software.
4. Yes you can start the program and walk away from your pc, however it will not leave the first link it has
brought up in the browser without you clicking on continue. So that idea is a waste of time. If we allowed the software to do that, then yes I guess you could then deem it as a cheater.
5. You must be on the page for a minimum of 30 seconds before the software allows you to click on continue.
Useful if you have no interest on what's on the web page.
6. The timer is set for a full minute otherwise.

OK, trying again :-)

I don't like to have the link sending people to my site and then hope they'll click thru to the site I am promoting, I like to have the ad in the mail and the people sent to the website I am promoting ... I send people to my website only for cheaplinks with no text allowed ...

And I can tell you again .... my sales have improved and the proof is also, text- ads before the link have better result than cheap links without ads ..... have tried cheap links with no text leading to my site with the ad on it or to the site I wanted to promote, result is still lower than with a regular paid ad with text and link. That's also why cheap links are cheaper

So as an advertiser, I prefer people not using any software but I like them to read the mail like they're supposed to ;-)

SOPHIE

ok...... so we are to change our advertisers whole operations as well to make your program acceptable?
WE accomidate our advertisers, not the other way around.

and my advertisers using a mailto link?
Who (one more time with feeling!)
DO NOT HAVE A WEBSITE?

No, your "revolution' of the industry is to turn it into nothing more than a surf site. which is a huge step BACK not forward.

Oh one more thing I forgot to answer to this post


Although the software extracts the links, they are not visited to get credit before the software opens the
web site.

So again there can be no cheating of P2R programs, the user must be in front of their computer in order to
get credit for each link that is opened to the advertisers site.

I hope this reply helps kewl down peoples frayed tempers.

Why do you all even bother going around with arty?


Ever hear bad publicity is better then none at all ? :ph34r:

tipsy is posting my reply cuz i keep hanging.

mines from an advertiser's view

Hi already got a response from one of my advertiser's that sent my members a 5 cent email and got such a great response from her ad that she has already told me she would advertise with sparky again.. here's her response she would like quoted here she said she'd come up here but her connection is slowing and the forum is hanging for her right now...

Hi Sophie,

Nice to read someone's feedback that does it calmly.

I understand exactly what you have written and I do appreciate that you have written an enticing email.

What I think everyone is missing the point on, is simply this.

The link in the email you are sending to P2R members is the one you want them to read and then click to get to whatever site you are promoting.

OK, so the program bypasses your written words, but if your website is not enticing then it doesn't matter how good your email is they are not going to buy.

The user does not see a link and then clicks on it.

They click on a button that has continue and your web site is brought up in the web browser for the user to read.

Now if it is of no interest to them, then no matter how enticing the email was or is, they are still not going to buy. As I would assume your web site is not the back up to your email and less enticing.

Your web site should be the sales letter of all sales letters to get people drawn further into your website
and having them whip out their wallets.

I personally have found 75% of emails I read do not do justice to the web site visited.
Let me try to word it so I am not mis-understood.

The web sites visited after reading a hype email, makes me click away almost instantly.

So the web sales letter must be even better than any email sent out.

Again I hope this helps.

And again I will put it to you all here in this forum, to come up with suggestions that can make this porgram a win-win for everyone.

As that is, was and still is my intention in developing it.

Hi,

Well, it should be like that but if my ad is well written in email, 80 % of the sing-ups/sale I had were from people I directed to a registering form, they often didn't bother to check the site, my ad had said it all ;-)

Lots of people don't check tos and faq, they just join if you can convince them ... that's how it works often in PT world .. of course, there is always the exception, this is only my experience and justifies why I as advertiser can't appreciate your software, I really really want my ad to be seen before clicking because since I have good ads my results jumped up .... it's basic marketing and it works for me ;-)

Of course everyone is free to disagree but I won't advertise on sites allowing softwares to click on the links and the ad not to be seen, it would be a waste of my ads.

Sophie

[quote=arty,Apr 28 2003, 10:13 AM][QUOTE]
Again someone using their heads in asking for more information.
I am more than happy to field this question, although the answer is one you may not be expecting.

As I have been trying to state in my earlier post the only thing on auto is the collecting of the links and storing them for the software to read and take the user to the advertisers link.

1. The software will stop if the another web page is opened.
2. The software must be the only program opened on the users PC.
3. The program will NOT automatically go to the next link without the users interacting with the software.
4. Yes you can start the program and walk away from your pc, however it will not leave the first link it has
brought up in the browser without you clicking on continue. So that idea is a waste of time. If we allowed the software to do that, then yes I guess you could then deem it as a cheater.
5. You must be on the page for a minimum of 30 seconds before the software allows you to click on continue.
Useful if you have no interest on what's on the web page.
6. The timer is set for a full minute otherwise.[/quote]
feeling real blonde here, so indulge me...
1. The software will stop if the another web page is opened.
So, if you wanted to read something on another page, your program would stop? Why spend money on something that does the same thing I do if I want to read what is on a webpage that catches my interest?

2. The software must be the only program opened on the users PC.
If I am understanding this right, If I got this (and I wouldn't, no matter how far behind I got in reading emails) and wanted to make a banner or something, I couldn't?

3. The program will NOT automatically go to the next link without the users interacting with the software.
So why buy it? I can't go to the next link unless I read what it is about...

4. Yes you can start the program and walk away from your pc, however it will not leave the first link it has
brought up in the browser without you clicking on continue. So that idea is a waste of time. If we allowed the software to do that, then yes I guess you could then deem it as a cheater.
ok...

5. You must be on the page for a minimum of 30 seconds before the software allows you to click on continue.
Useful if you have no interest on what's on the web page.
I guess I must read real fast...I have read thousands of emails from the different programs and the average time they have for you to stay on a page to get credit is 20 seconds...I think that is the norm for most paid to surf programs also...why have to spend more time if using your paid program?

6. The timer is set for a full minute otherwise.
Does this mean that your program will go to the next link automatically? Doesn't this contradict #3?

Like I said I have no interest in buying your program because it is contrary of something I believe in, which is earning my money by working for it honestly.

I think that's what was meant by "response"

And yeah, what happens after 1 minute. what does the "timer" do?

Can you just imagine what all this negativity would do for this industry if we could only channel it into doing something good for a change. WOW!

I really liken what Snazzy Promotions has done to what the autosurf programs did for the traffic building programs industry. Eventually ethical standards are a key component of a program?s success or failure.

From an advertiser?s point of view Snazzy Promotion?s software poses a definite conflict of interest in relation to what advertisers have come to expect from their advertising dollars.

The response from some of GetPaidForum?s members confirms that webmasters and members are partners in the truest sense. The good of the industry is dependent on the good of the individual contributors. As most webmasters depend on their members as a source of advertising revenue, one can only assume that as more and more members that are using this software have their individual accounts deleted for cheating, the repercussions to Snazzy Promotion will come in due time.

One of the biggest lessons I have learned in this industry is that it is a small world and you never burn bridges behind you, what was once a member, is now a program owner or advertiser. Each hand feeds the other.

Sure that's helpful . Doesn't mean I approve of the software . And I never will .

Yup , ppl were ticked before you posted , but you started off on the wrong foot HERE with the insulting tone of your first few posts -- insinuating that no one has done ANY homework on your promoted program . Which is absolutely not factual . But it certainly is obvious that you know little of the current ptr industry and ad packages .

Maybe your tone should have been " Hi , I'm so and so , here to tell you more yaday ada ... and answer your questions ." Instead of "you'er all dumb as the dirt you've got your heads stuck it and the wm's are the cheater's" ...... paraphrasing ! How much support you do think you're going to get that way ??? Not that anyone is going to sway me but maybe you should tell snazzy to send a PR man next time and not the accountant . He wouldn't have been met with open arms either , but prehaps folks would have been a tad less defensive .

Instead of insisting that we program owners use a copy of your program , before we pass judgment -- why don't YOU buy ads from all of us , both with copy and without ?? Of course you'll need to advertise something besides this cheat program . Then you can pass judgment on what works best FOR YOU in advertisments on OUR sites .

Since I'm on that and you seem to want to put us in the know , ahem , and want our support *cough* Where's a free demo for we owners to review ? ROFLOL! Bet that ain't happening .

BTW , as a matter of fact , I know of 3 webmasters that did write snazzy , 2 before it was being discused here in this folder and 1 a litle later . Andrew replied to 1 . Another was answered by "the snazzy team" , the third by Snazzy support .

We don't have to defend our actions to counter your sw . We , who OWN these ptREAD programs want the ads displayed WITH the link or "mailto" --as our adverisers do . You provide a product that avoids what we , the owners and they , the advertiser WANT . If it were'nt wanted that way , we would send nothing but the links without copy and your program would obsolete before it's advent .

Well in a way yes, the reason i first knew about this cheat program was through an advertiser asking me if they were used in my program.

He then explained to me about this tool which i then read about on the forum, I realized that this was significantly going to reduce the quality of advertising & was happy when someone suggested to me a minus cents/points click like i had done with the english test.

I first saw titanicrewards do it really well and followed suite

I have a real job

Please PM me with any personal attack made and i will edit it, if you think it was me who made a personal attack please PM it to another mod.

I am not surprised you have been insulted by other people, i don't think any of us are.

Your arguements are so ridicolous, meanwhile you don't even know how GPTR works.

Advertisers buy a paidmail, they right an ad to read, then give a link to quick. Your program is delivering only half the advertising and therefore half the quality.

If all members were to do is click on the link and not even read the ad, then why bother buying a paidmail, why not just buy a cheaplink or a PTC.

Paidmails also have special requests

eg

ONLY CLICK HERE IF YOU ARE FROM THE US

ONLY CLICK HERE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A SEARCH

ONLY CLICK HERE IF YOU WANT TO SEND A CARD

Your members are all going to get deleted from some programs that delete people who continually don't fulfill requests, for example if you are from australia and you click a link saying click here only if you are from the US you would be deleted.

Kapish?

Not that you deserve to be spoken to nicely.

Aww your sad that people aren't being nice to you? Jeez i wonder why that could be, perhaps you could read your opening post, that was such a nice post wasn't it!

Any respect or calm people had towards you was quickly diminished.

I am a nice person, ask anyone on this forum, i just have no time or nice words for people like you, you will get all that you deserve & ask for.

Speak to others how you want to be spoken.