I want to post a complaint about Snazzy Promotion.

The software they are selling is a cheating software. It cheats the advertiser by extracting the link so that the member doesn't have to read the actual ads..

This webmaster posted a list of ptrp's that he claims allows the use of this software. My site was listed. I have never or will I ever allow this software to be used by my members.

I emailed this webmaster last night asking him nicely to remove my site's name within 24 hours as it is breaking rules in my terms of service because he did not get my permission to post my site on his list and he is misrepresenting Sparky-Mail. He then replied stating he'd remove it in a few days.. (few days =24hours I don't think so) I then told him no that was unacceptable.. I do not want to be associated with this software and that my 24 hour rule stands.. he has yet to do this and I have given him 25 hours..

I do not appreciate him using my site's name to advertise his software and I want everyone to know that 99% of webmaster's are not going to allow this software.. So if you are signing up for programs on this list from this site I would advise you to stop you have been misled..

He did not get permission to post these site's up there.. He is lying to you when he says that you can use this software with my program. You can not... I never said to anyone that they could. I will not do that to my advertisers.

So I wanted all to know that the information on that site is totally untrue and misleading to the consumer. and that I do not allow nor will I ever allow the use of his Paid2Read Email Program Optimizer for use in my program. Thank you

I'll just add something to this as well..

AS some may know there was a member of this forum who had their accounts hacked into just recently. Not just with the forum, but paypal and egold as well.

This software can very well be spyware since you have no idea where it is going, or who it is telling about in reguards to your account name or password.

Oh, bit more proof that he is decieving you. He has written his own comments up on the site, trying ot make out it is someone that has bought the software and used it.

I will post the page I am referring to here:

http://www.snazzypromotions.com/software/p...read/index.html



Take note of Arty's email address.



Note the names and addies in there.

It is very easy catching idiots that buy this software.

Don't worry!! We will get them!!

This same "Mike Stokes" runs http://paydirectpal.com/ - a search engine... this is an odd one....

tips , where can I view that list of ptr's ?

http://www.snazzypromotions.com/software/p...read/sites.html

Probably, these listed webmasters will be forced to start sending "Do not click or you are deleted" link.
And I know some honest members get upset due to this link.

Cheating only causes harder life.

Yep cheaters always cause grief for everyone

But to my knowledge this is the first software (for PTRS) I have seen with a website.

I am sure there are other software like this

If someone can make and sell (I know because I bought one) cheat software specific for my search engine(s) and advertises that on a webpage (if you can read chinese) then I guess these guys will build/sell software all over.

One would think that they would make better use of their knowledge

yes, just did on all sites, very clear on why and what not to click. Also put presure on him through his host, who has told me they have told them to pull our links immmediatly.
Either they are stubborn or have not gotten that mail yet.
links are "still" there.

LOL!
One would think.......

Why for god sake wil i pay 50 bucks when all i make is pennies..
whther huge downline in some gptr or not,don't think its worth it.
For me using free browser like crazy browser which enables me to
open multiple windows with pop stopper and stable functioning
is quite enough and for free.
With fast connection clicking on hundreds of emails doesn't take that
long.
I bet most of the comment provided on his page are fake and not real.
doubt many people would spend 50 bucks when they mostly try to
gain few bucks for "free".
As for spyware...this is also not an excuse on other hand not to use it.
You run free spywares and find out whther it is a spyware or not.
There is no reason to lie to members or scare them,at the end everything
should be matter of demand and supply and i believe the majority will
never spend money on this software as it is just a way to try and suck
money out of naive people.

And notice the word "NOT" in that quote.

that is one line on the page that is listing the websites that "allow" this software. So he/she is just listing sites and dont give a fly *@!$ about it.

Oh I did see that Tipsy site is no longer listed there.

I hope they suspend this guys page and make him burn in $%##.

Ummm...crazy browser is another form of cheating and low and behold can be blocked in cashcrusader scripts now.....YAAHHHOOO!!!!!

Clicking on hundreds of emails doesn't take long....hhhmmmm....well it would if you were READING them like you are surpose to! I get on average 100 emails a day and it takes time to read and click through them.


All I will say is crazy browser is not allowed for use reading emails I send out and I have logs to find out who is using it and it is considered cheating.

Hmm, I lost with crazybrowser being consider cheating? I personally use crazybrowser when I'm home and when I'm at work I use IE. Right now I'm on Avant Browser, just testing it out and see how it works.

Or how can crazybrowser be cheating? I personally open one link up in the email and wait until it counts down, then I will close that site out and open the next link and view it.

I dont see anything wrong with a tabbed browser, because to me it keeps my taskbar from being cluttered up on my pc screen.

I dont want to upset you or nothing, just want to know the reasoning behind that? Thats all

I know some use it responsably....don't get me wrong. But a lot of members who have used it just click on one link after the other and have a lot of the windows open all at the same time and don't look at the advertised site. I know this cause this was a huge issue a few monthes ago and hashed out in a few threads and forums. Again, another case of cheaters ruining it for honest members. It would be easy to see who is using this software responsably and who isn't......mainly by the time frames from one click to the next. But just like any thing else there are always the irresponsable who ruin it for those who are responsable.


I won't terminate accounts over it...LOL...I am not that mean But if I see in logs that a member is abusing the browser I will address that member one on one.

Woah now, back up on the Crazybrowser and cheating here a sec. I have posted publicly I use it. I AM NOT A CHEATER. And I'll be danged if I stop using it.

It's free. It has a LOT of good qualities like using less of my poor comp's resources, and helps me with popups.

I do NOT now, nor have I EVER cheated in any program! I do NOT open multiple PTC's or links within the same email.

I don't use it all the time, but I have to with "some" PTR's that use so many popups to get ON their login screen, and I refuse to keep having to reboot every 3 seconds because of irresponsible scripting or money mangement.

NOR have I clicked on any of the myriad of cheat links that have come about. Check it out. I have plenty of time to get these clicks done, and I refuse to be lumped into the cheaters category because I DO use it. I use it responsibly.

And that other software, well I unsubbed from the main paid to that is running those ads. Not worth my time to work for someone who promotes cheating.

Ok, through with my rant. But don't keep lumping all of us in the same dang category. That's what's wrong with all of us members in the first place and you've all read it through every thread on here! We are not ALL cheaters!

And sorry AK, your last post came in before I hit send I know you're not saying everyone. But it's getting sooooooo frustrating lately!

I am sorry soooz

I do my best not to lump everyone....I know only 10% are cheaters and I do my BEST to not make honest members suffer because of them



Sorry hun....I know it is frustrating...believe me. It is frustrating for all of us. Webmasters have to deal with and keep on top of cheaters then you honest member get the crap for it....so unfair. That is why I try so hard not to make you all suffer any more than you have to....


PTR use to be fun....but here lately all the cheaters/hackers have taken the wind out of our sails....so it seems. But we'll all ge past it.....soon I hope!

Yes, I did, AFTER I posted, we crossed in sending. I did apologize. And it's not just here. It's everywhere. People are just becoming frustrated with all the things happening lately.

I apologize to you personally.

Awww hun! And I apologize to you too.


Read my edited post

It's all good. No prob Maybe a boubon and 7 before bed huh? LOL

LMAO! How I wish! I could use a stiff....errr...uuummm....DRINK!! HAHA!

But I don't think the baby would benefit from that.....maybe after I have her I'll throw me a good one

Ohhhhhh LOL!! I did forget you were preggies Well I'll just have one FOR ya then Sighhhhhhh those days are behind me now. In June, I'll be seeing my babybird graduate high school. She's 17 in people's years lol but still just a baby in mine

Lordy, I do miss her haven't seen her since August.

LOL!

My oldest baby will be 18 next month yes that is years!



OH! so we aren't off topic....

I will retract my harsh statement about crazy browser not being allowed and users considered cheaters.....I apologize. Bad day...family issue and my words aren't coming out right.


Anyone caught abusing crazybrowser (opening multiple links) will be considered cheaters and well.....we'll just cross that bridge if I ever get to it...LOL!

Personally i think it is a great idea! If you belong to sooo many P2r programs then why not make it easier to read all the emails instead of just letting them get deleted along with the rest of the trash?

And if you guys even bought the program and used it you would realise that it is good!
Snazzys P2R program does not cheat the p2r programs at all! It runs though every single link in
the emails and allows the user to visit each and every advertisers site! Allowing the user to stop
at the site if they like it... after all, if they dont use the software and do it the slow way then thats exactly
what they do any way... just click the link to get paid and close the window if they dont like the site!

And... even if you wanted to try and cheat using the software, you cant! because it wont allow you to
run though the links if it is not maximized and in front of the user! In other words, the user MUST view each
link to get paid...

It just makes things 100x faster! Not cheat.. geeeez, you guys all like to make false claims quickly without
even checking everything out first! And Spyware.. come on.. does everything automatically become spyware when you think it is a bad program? None of Snazzys other programs have anything to do with spyware or include it so why would this?

They try to provide a good product to help make peoplse lives simple and faster and all you guys do is slag them down! + Their p2r software would increase paid2read programs member base, so i dont see why owners should get too mad!

Yeha! Go Snazzy!

akhurley.. Thanks! Im glad someone can see the big picture... It is very usful software!

this sounds familiar...and fairly sure NO ONE has said they approved of this, at ALL.
Having members is nice, having the advertisers to pay them is rather essential however.
Continue to use the cheat ware if you like, however I think you will find that you have much MUCH fewer emails if you do.

Hmmmmmm

I do believe Snazzy's program is not a good idea.

I was actually thinking about using crazybrowser

And I do open multiple links (pretty close together time wise) from one email........
I use hotmail, and if there are a bunch of links to click (like Mike's)
and you don't make it through them all quick enough, you have to close that email, go back, reopen the email, then find the last link you were at........that is too much and very frustrating. I always got the *Your email message has been idle and this link has become inactive* message if I took my sweet time reading first.
I don't think what I do is bad, I click the links fast and before I read every little detail, but i do read, how else am I going to get my advertising deals, and know where those Don't click this link links are (they're not all in the same spot for each program).. and I just got my first gold membership because I read the email and it sounded like a good deal to me.

So what I do is open my first email...scan through, read the good stuff and click the links, if I need to go back to read the email or parts of it I do then as my pages are opening I start with the first one I clicked on. Interesting? yes...explore more, NO...close and move on.

I sure hope I'm not considered a cheater for being a quick clicker

---so I should not use crazybrowser for my emails??
has anyone been deleted for this?


And for Mr Snazzy who posted above......you did a good job advertising, I just hope no one is silly enough to pay $50 for your program just to be deleted. There are so many test links going around I don't think losing my $5 is worth $50.

mr snazzy? ok :-)

Emaillionairesemail, have you tried to use the program? how can you call it cheatware if you have never
used it?

Im not pomoting it here, im just showing everyone the big picture... not everytihng is bad! dont mock it
if you havnt tried it!

hehe, im like a thorn in the forum it looks like :-)

but seriously... have any of you guys who are mocking the program tried it? I got it and it
worked great for me. There are a few problems with it at the moment but im sure they will
be fixed shortly.

Have i used a program that a) cheats my advertisers, most especially those who like using mailto links, listed MY sites as programs to use with it and refused to take the links off their site. c) Stops members from getting site updates, important information and stops THEIR ads they have redeemed for from getting read d) has endorsements listed that is in fact the site owner playing dressup as a customer?
Is that the question?
Answer would be no.

Crazy Browser would be cheating for the Auto-surf's as you could load them up and never view any of them.

But how could it cheat a paid2read site, when you still have to click the links to be paid?

As for this so called cheat software, there are others claiming to have cheat software, none of them work, and are all rip-off's.
I wouldn't worry about it,
Anyone who purchases such a rip-off deserves what they get.

the only reason it was removed was because I contacted his hosting and told them and they made him remove my site immediately..

I'll tell you why.. Do you think he is going to be honest to you when he placed my site up there along with other sites saying that you the consumers could use this sofware with our programs??? I emailed every webmaster on that list.. needless to say the response I got was that none of them knew or agreed to have their site listed and most of them are doing something to prevent this software from being used on their site...

What does it mean for the members.. That they have to be punished because either 1. the webmaster has to do tests to check for the software or 2. the advertisers will quit advertising scared you won't be reading their ads anyway...

He lied and the only way he would change the false information was for me to contact his hosting and have them make him remove it...

I think anyone that would try to falsely promote his software using other sites that didn't agree to it is not right... and caution should be used....


Now had he apologized for what he had done and had immediately removed my site I would have never brought this up. But he refused to do it within my time frame.. He was breaking my terms of service and I have every right to make him remove it immediately. He told me I'd have to wait a few days.. No I'm not going to hurt my members from receiving advertisers simply because my site is listed on a site such as this.. I do whatever I have to, to protect my members because without advertiser's my members won't have mails to click...

you know over the last year we have put up with a lot of demands from webmasters and its time you realize something..


I HAVE A LIFE and if crazy browser helps me to spend a few more minutes with my family each day then its a good thing NOT cheat software....Especially when some of you run the same link from 7 different advertisers in the same friggin email..To me when you do that you cheated me out of my advertising money because if I am number 7 on that list its pretty much a guarantee I'm not going to get any referrals


I am going on record as of now any webmaster who blocks crazy browser I will unsub from their program immediately....I have already spent too much time in this business only to see it all disappear

personally I do not think crazy browser is cheating either : shrug:

I have no knowledge of the crazy browser or what it does and am only talking about the software listed at the beginning of this post and how he misled consumers and misrepensented Sparky-Mail by placing my site as one that consumers could you use his software for without my permission.

Let me ask for clarification here: Are some folks calling Crazybrowser cheating primarily because it uses tabs?

If so, I guess you can add Netscape to the list, since version 7 is a tabbed browser, with optonal popup killer. I never did get around to downloading crazybrowser -- perhaps now there's no need.

Going back to the original topic: I think any software that 'automates' the ptr e-mails is not going to be a good thing for the industry. You have to step back and consider why the advertisers are paying to send out these e-mails in the first place -- they are trying to sell you something, just like advertisers in any medium. It is a given that the conversion ratio will be pretty small, but if it goes to zero then the advertising dollars are going to be shifted somewhere else where they will be effective.

If webmasters feel they are obliged to put in 'trick' links every so often to guard against programs like this, it is understandable in one sense. However, I think it will tend to undermine the relationship between the webmaster and members -- I'll send you e-mails every day where you can earn money, but every so often I'll slip in one that'll cost you a week's worth of clicking if you aren't careful. Understandable? Yes. A good idea? ? ?

I will also say that, most of the time, when I decide to join a program or buy something presented by a paid e-mail, what will sell me is the website itself, not the teasers in the e-mail. Those help me decide what links to click -- they generally aren't what sells me.

Bullet

Alright already!

Get off the crazy browser soap box!!!! Did none of you READ what I said?? I recanted my previous statement.


THIS is why I keep my mouth shut around here......you make one statement and get jumped on.



I APOLOGIZED AND RECANTED ABOUT THE CRAZYBROWSER!!! I SAID ONLY IF IT IS ABUSED AND I WILL ADRESS THE ABUSER ONE ON ONE........

Ang !!

No -- you stay and stick up for yourself as and when needs be.

Just because not everyone reads every other word

lol... gotta love Mary!


btw akhurley... you've been around the forum long enough to know who to pay attention to and who to ignore. No worries...

Thanks Surf......

It's ok, I made astatement I obviously should have kep to myself. My emotions are just ripped. Being preggie and now I have to tell my kids thier g.father has passed away.....well, I wasn't at my best last night. I'll just let it go.......plus crazybrowser isn't the topic here...LOL!

Again, I apologize about the crazybrowser statement I made. I have not and will not ban the browser. I haven't banned any browser.

As far as the other program...well, we'll just have to see where all this leads....

[quote=EMailCashFrenzy,Apr 26 2003, 11:51 AM][/QUOTE]
lol... gotta love Mary!


btw akhurley... you've been around the forum long enough to know who to pay attention to and who to ignore. No worries... [/quote]
Thanks hon! That I do know very well!

I honestly did not mean to ruffle anyones feathers over this

Yes I agree with you there... I do respect webmaster's that do this but My test links do not give or take away any money... And I'm going to insert a 3 times your out.. That way if someone clicks on it once then oops made a mistake.. I do feel that the no money links helps cause if you accidently clicked on it then at least you don't lose any money and will be more careful the next time.. plus I still have them timed so they still have 30 seconds to close it out before it's credited.. I feel this way it's better for the members but also helps me to see who are using these programs and deal with them accordingly...

Just a couple comments.

I kind of like the email ads. If the 'teaser' looks good then I tend to pay more attention at the website. If the advertisers just wanted you to visit their sites, then they could easily get a ptc link (i think those are usually cheaper anyway).

I use mozilla, also tabbed browsing, mainly because it keeps my task bar down at the bottom empty. And means if i want to open a web browser, excel, html editing program, matlab, etc. all at the same time, then its a lot easier to find the right window. The kill popup feature is nice too, its rather anoying in ie to not be able to type in login info without jumping to 4 or 5 other windows.

I also use hotmail, and that thing about refreshing your browser is really annoying, especially when you click a link to let it load in the back ground, and then delete the email.

It also nice for all those seach links, open a page and let it load in background.

Yeah, i use tabbed browsing for autosurf, but i usually visit most of the pages that load anyway. I go across the row of tabs. From one side to the other, and look to see if anything interesting is on the page. Besides the two auto surfs i use give bonuses to make sure you're watching, wouldn't want to miss that

In all honesty, with my connection, if i waited for every single page to load individually then i'd probably be spending 10hrs a day at this PTR stuff, and it sure doesn't make that much money.

And mozilla browser loads pages about 3 times as fast as ie.

Any webmaster that are going to complain about me loading the pages in the background, let me know now and i won't join your programs. But I promise I do look at them after they're loaded and there's actually something to look at. I can stare at a blank wall, but it isn't interesting and doesn't say much.

Of all the ideas for test links (cheater or english), I think this one is the best. Member are not penalized for one mistake (and anyone can make a mistake), their innocent upline don't lose anything like it's the case with a money link and the webmaster still got the cheaters.


About opening multiple links, I would really like if every program owners state if they allow it or not very clearly. When I got a timed search link, I always open another link, I don't do the search until the timer is finish because sometime it's brake out of the frame. And sometime I open 2 or 3 links at once to go faster when the connection is slow but I still look at every one so I don't consider it cheating, I wouldn't do it if I knew the webmaster didn't allow it.

Ok, for the nontopic part of this when I went off on AK about the Crazybrowser...it was the same discussion over at JOF long while ago, and it's the same thing here...Crazy isn't a cheater UNLESS YOU make it so. It doesn't have the ability by ITSELF to open myriad links. It's just a convenient mechanism in a crazy world.

AND the second part of this AK and I apologized to each other for our being out of sorts, tired, upset, and sick of all the awful problems happening all over our industry lately. I understand her reasoning, and she understands mine.

Now ONtopic here Cheating is cheating is cheating...any way you look at it. If you've been asked not to click multiple links...WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU STILL DOING IT? (This is general here, not aimed..OK?)

The cheating software is wrong in our industry. We have certain tasks to perform on some programs, certain information we have to get off the paid email to go ON the site in some, many different avenues here. Why screw ourselves just to shave off time that we're supposed to be spending?

Yes, we all are getting heated and upset and worried and angry, and just about every other adjective. We need to calm down and look what's happening. I've been thinking a lot since yesterday. There is something going on that's rearing an ugly head here. And it's been happening since a few heated arguments/vendettas happened here and other forums. I have a really ugly suspicion that a certain few either past or almost nonexistent at this time or maybe just plain ###### off webmasters are having some ugly fun here. This is showing up more and more, and I'm wondering if anyone else has been thinking along that line?

I'm NOT a paranoid person lol...but I am suspicious when I see a pattern happening.

Going back to topic (sorry, raging headache is just about bringing me to knees here) the webmasters that have spoken in here about the software....we need listen to them. They are some of the best in this industry. They are not out to harm us. They're trying their best to help all concerned. We all need to be more reasonable and responsible. And the webmasters need to remember those of us who really do want to do right and are not cheaters.

And AK, I'm so sorry for your loss. My sincere condolences. I can understand being pregnant and having a death in the family close together. I experienced it myself.

Everyone else, like I've said before, we can agree to disagree on most things, but we're all in this business together. We need to find common ground and help each other out as we're helping or trying to help ourselves.

Ok, off the box Someone else's turn now.

Ummmmm the site hiccuped!!

Ok, I just want to warn others to stay away from one GPTR program. I just came across Read4Bucks.com and from their home page this is one the very bottom of it



Please stay away or best yet delete your account with them since they are also promoting this cheating software.

lol, and sure as heck do not advertise there

Hmm, can't help but wonder if they allow their own members to use the software

Although, they might not care, as long as the advertisers pay them....

I hate to say it, but that's why I unsub'd from Moonlit Submit. They promote it heavily. Luckily I hadn't been there long.