Hello everyone joined with activesystems.info or not....
i recently sent an email worth (-$0.10) yes, minus 10c.

Well basically my plan was to see if people actually READ the emails.....
well i found out after 2 hours 100 out of 1200 have clicked on it
DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT PEOPLE PAY THERE OWN MONEY TO SEND PAID EMAILS AND PEOPLE DONT EVEN READ......
I DONT!!!, thats why i sent this.

The email was as FOLLOWS:

Important Message.
This is your warning,
occasionally i will send out a paid email which DEDUCTS 10 cents from your
account, this is one of them. By clicking on the link you wouldnt have bothered
reading this message, so even if you just clicked it and read the message
after, its too late. You will need to earn that 10 cents back again! I will
be randomly running these tests to ensure that advertisers get highest quality
advertising, and read the message first. We will be do more test's in the
upcoming days... so be prepared
Or... if you feel like being silly
you can click the minus 10 cent link anyway!!

Thank you...

why not?

Send out them like:

Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail -3 cents
Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail 1 cent
Paid e-mail -3 cents
..

so that they don't earn anything this way .. and that's it

Lol, that's funny...

I think that is a VERY good idea!


I might do it myself!

Thats very smart of you. I like the idea.

I would have to agree. It is a good way to make sure people are looking at the ads and not just clicking the links.

Okay.. this post I have made elsewhere in this forum, but in view of the discussion located here, and the willingness of the individuals posting here to implement an idea that requires still a bit of thought and work, I'm going to repost the thoughts I relayed to another here.



and my followup response to a webmaster, implementing such a technique, that this idea should probably be given a bit more thought.



If these types of test are to continue and be implemented at a rate that I'm sure soon to be wide-spread, then consideration for an upline guilty of nothing more than having the misfortune of having one of these people in their downline needs to be taken into consideration as well. That is my point.

Hi,

I think it's not that smart at all.
Lets see, i do about 20 to 30 mails a day, some with 10 or more links in it.
Here is an example of the text of a mail

********************************************************************************
*****
This is an absolute amazing program. I joined less than a month ago, and I'm making a lot of money already without referrals.

They send out lots of emails, all worth at least 1ct.

Their pay-to-click section is also amazing with between 10 and 20cts daily!!! For a limited time only you even get a $15 signup bonus!!!!!!

They have an excellent referral system of 20,10,10,5,5,5,3,2% so with referrals you can make even more money.

I don't know what else I can say besides that there are not so many members at this moment so this is your chance to get in early and get started making real money instantly.
********************************************************************************
*****

It's a pretty good one.
But do you know what, they all say lost of mail, everybody praizes the programs they belong to. Logic.
When i click the link i get to see the signup page or the index page. And here it starts.
If it's the index or home page, it gives most of the time all the info that is needed to make up one's mind about it.
Fact is that if i get to see a new GPTR or other program, i will look thru it . If i like what i see i'll probably join.

Now here is the funny bit. Suppose that for whatever reason, i didn't join. And i think a lot of paople do the same.

An other or the same person advertises that GPTR again.

Here is my reaction.

Seen it, bin there, next link please.

My expiriance is that people will tell anything to get a refferal. So pardon me for not reading it all.


Btw i am not a member of activesystems.info and i don't think i'll join.

Your way of doing things seems to be spreading. And even if i agree that it's your good right to do that.
I think it's not the way to go.

A possitive note. Or not. when every GPTR does that, i would have to quit like 95% of the GPTR i am into. The effect might be that the value of paid mails starts to go up again. And that would be great. But also the pricetag of sending a paid mail would go up. what would mean that most people would not be able to advertise. that means less advertisers what in the long term get's the pricetag to go down again and the value of a paid mail with it.
********************************************************************************
*****

If you want to make real money there are better ways.
Send me a mail at spoksson@hotmail.com

John (spoksson)

I just encountered another one of those TRICK links, sent by WAYSOFTHEROSE, though deduct an amount from an account it does not do. Though the punishment seems a bit harsh, perhaps this might be the better approach if a lesson it is you wish to teach those people who do not or cannot read the instructions being stated prior to the link. For obvious reasons, I'm not posting that link herein.

It still makes me wonder how this will impact my earnings. If they are deleted for 'cheating', so to speak, then do I lose all my earnings previously made by them should one of my downline members click that link?

Also, I'd like to make a comment that some people are just plain inattentive when clicking upon links. It does not mean they are 'cheaters' in the traditional sense of the word.

Now here is another program implementing the 'TRICK LINK' click which seems to be growing minute by minute as a popular trend amongst webmasters. This one also results in a deletion from the membership base though the approach and the wording be somewhat different than the previous one I just posted. It is from PAIDMAILINC and allows for the member to have their account re-instated within 7 days, provided they send her an email explaining that the link was clicked in 'error' so to speak. I think I like this approach the best. NOTE: in this one she does not call everyone CHEATERS!

hmmmm... those who disagree
Think of it as if you where the advertiser getting ripped of..
maybe the link said, If you click please search or else dont click... people dont care just click
wait 20 seconds and leave..

and lol i would say my way of doing these sorts of things is spreading because i got it of soti moneymail (my friend)
and the mail2nv owner.. sent one that if they click they get deleted of the server
50 CLCICKED!!!

As I have stated before on various posts and in emails, I understand both sides of the issue with this thing.

And I can understand how one can just absent-mindingly click the links in an email without actually reading it word for word.

However, there is a difference between 'skimming' 'reading' and just outright 'ignoring' the content of an email.

At TotallyDuh-GetPaid.net we have used trial and error with what we call the "Test Link". What we have finally decided to do is place the link at the bottom of all emails, except solo mailings. Now I'm going to show you a copy of a normal email. I am including the entire info about the test link....



As you can see we've taken every measure we can to ensure that no one is 'tricked' into clicking the link. We don't automatically delete an account, we allow for accidental clicking.

The sad thing is, I have some members clicking that link in 6 or more emails.

I would prefer not to have to do this at all. But as a program manager, I feel I must do something to ensure my advertisers that they will get their money's worth of advertising. And lets face it folks, I know that 99% of the people are not cheating. But there are some that do cheat. There are some that cannot read the english language enough to understand that warning. Those are the ones that we don't need to participate in paid programs.

The majority of my members understand and support me on this issue. Sure we've had a few quit, and I've had some hate mail. But if it wasn't over this issue it would be over something else, it just goes with the territory.

Beckie

Mail2Nv has sent trick links too



I think it's fine, when I advertise I want people to give some interest In what I am paying for them to see.

I'm not disputing the need for these tests, but... in the case of your site, the individuals who clicked that link had a zero balance showing in their earnings prior to that. By clicking that link and sending their balance into a negative, they effectively took away the earnings that I had made myself by clicking. It wasn't a large amount, but do you think it's fair to penalize me because they clicked?

I don't.

TotallyDuh implemented a point based system which has no effect on the earnings of others. Click that link three times and your out, I do believe she/he said, your account gets deleted. This I think to be more than fair.

Those of us who seem opposed to the idea are not, except for the fact that it is penalizing not just the individuals clicking the link, but the earnings of the individuals in their upline as well. I posted my stats in the topic you started under general discussion to provide you with an example of the rippling effect this is having to uplines who bear no responsibility for the actions of another.

DELETE THESE PEOPLE if you will or ESTABLISH A POINT SYSTEM rather than a MONEY based system such as TotallyDuh did for these types of tests, but do something different! IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE UPLINES the method you now have employed which allows the negative click to ripple up to the uplines and remove the money they have legitimately earned from their accounts as well. This is the point to which I take issue.

If those individuals who clicked upon that link, trick or not, in my downline decided to unsubcribe tomorrow, I would have a net loss as a result of them being in my downline for they had not earned me a single penny prior to clicking a link which clearly warned them not to do it. In fact, if not a penny they had earned me, meaning their balances were at zero, and all in my downline clicked upon that link, not only would all of the earnings I made through effort of no one other than myself disappear, but I'd end up owing you money as a result .

I understand that you believe that through the implementation of these DO NOT CLICK link tests you think you are protecting the interests of the advertiser by forcing people to read the advertisements being sent, but you are mistaken.

Perhaps these tests might be a way of weeding out an individual using 'the automated click software' that one of you all sent in a link to show as an example of a methodolgy now being marketed on the internet and perhaps employed but some, but if this is the case then the only solution is to delete those members you suspect of using that technique from the database. They are, by far, a miniscule few.

I'm not saying it is not your right to send these type of tests, but THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP! Do not penalize the uplines by substracting from them earnings which they have legitimately made simply because one of their downline members mistakenly clicked a link. IMPLEMENT A METHODOLOGY FAIR TO ALL!

There is nothing wrong with sending out negative links, but ................. this should not be propagated throughout a downline. Or ... if it is, then it should at least be at the same percentage as you would earn from them.

Example ....

Level 2 pays 20%
Mail clicked equals -$0.01
Ref earnings should therefore show -$0.002 (or at least be reduced by that amount)

I have 1 programme where my total has been reduced by a negative overall amount for a 3rd level referral. OK - it might have been the first link that they clicked, but the negative amount was higher that the appropriate percentage of the negative value.

Make sense ?

Wow.. much have been said about your idea...... is a good catch for those who just click and never bother to read... But it is really bad for those who really read every mail.......

Of course the latter is fewer than the first... hahah anyway... maybe your idea may spark many other ideas coming out to encounter members clicking without reading.....

Maybe there should be a wuestion under the mail and to get the answer, members MUST read and find them within the mail.... If the answer is correct they get extra points or cash.... is that a good idea? I dunno

Ive seen ATLEAST 20 ptr sending out negative or even CLICK HERE TO DELETE ACCOUNT!!
hehe
soo my idea wasnt that bad!!

I have done this also. My membes were clicking alot of cheatlinks, so I set where it would cost them money. And, I think I was fair about it because I sent admin message warning them.