A teaser again. I'll post the video once it's up tonight.
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...AC-A40D129C0405
ABC 4 News has learned of a breakthrough development in the ongoing 12 Daily Pro Scandal.
For more information on this breaking story, tune into ABC 4 News at 10 p.m.
From the 12dp forum (http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=28860.0):
This is unfortunate, I beilieve that it most likely has to do with Charis's last announcement, however, they posted this on thier web page about 4 hours ago. Charis just made her announcement 1/2 hour ago.
I normally do not look at the website until around midnight to see if they have just posted the newest story, however I had to look tonight because of a commercial that came on stating that a ceast and desist has been ordered in the out-of-state ponzi scheme.
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Reported tonight on ABC4 news.
12DailyPro has been ordered to cease and desist the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. More details will be announced on Monday, but sources for ABC4 news have annouced this order.
This has come from the very beginning of the investigation in to 12DailyPro by authorities in North Carolina. No response has been heard by Charis Johnson, owner of 12DailyPro. So what next? "We have been told that there are negotiations in action as we speak."
They also quickly covered last nights thoughts on 12DailyPro preying on the faithful, in which they pulled some old tape from April 2003, of LDS Prophet Gordon B Hinckley speaking of watching out for "Get Rich Quick Schemes", they are usually designed to pull in the gullable.
Reported tonight on ABC4 news.
12DailyPro has been ordered to cease and desist the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. More details will be announced on Monday, but sources for ABC4 news have annouced this order.
This has come from the very beginning of the investigation in to 12DailyPro by authorities in North Carolina. No response has been heard by Charis Johnson, owner of 12DailyPro. So what next? "We have been told that there are negotiations in action as we speak."
They also quickly covered last nights thoughts on 12DailyPro preying on the faithful, in which they pulled some old tape from April 2003, of LDS Prophet Gordon B Hinckley speaking of watching out for "Get Rich Quick Schemes", they are usually designed to pull in the gullable.
More!
"Charis also just confirmed that 12DP will not resume..."
It's over folks! The authorities have spoken. It was indeed a security, meaning under Section 15 of the Securities Act of 1933, all participants are liable.
"Charis also just confirmed that 12DP will not resume..."
It's over folks! The authorities have spoken. It was indeed a security, meaning under Section 15 of the Securities Act of 1933, all participants are liable.
Charis' admission:
http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=28855.0
People still claim it was advertising, not a "security", but remember the poll in this forum. They still blame the BYU students for starting this by saying "invest". http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/how_muc...y_-t427778.html
Lifeclicks blog: http://newclicksinfo.blogspot.com
http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=28855.0
People still claim it was advertising, not a "security", but remember the poll in this forum. They still blame the BYU students for starting this by saying "invest". http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/how_muc...y_-t427778.html
Lifeclicks blog: http://newclicksinfo.blogspot.com
Wow, don't you have anything better to do than bump your own posts?
You have made 4 posts with in a half hour. That I though was against the rules. You could have edited your first post. It is apparent you can't stand 12dailypro, I an really starting to think you are enjoying all of this & don't give a carp about all of the money that was tied to this program. Or the 300,000 members that were involved in it. Sure we all should have known better but when is enough enough? I come to the forum & if a day has gone by that you haven't started a negative post about 12dp I would be amazed. I really don't care what you post here it is a free forum but for gods sake spread some positive news sometimes & just let it go with the 12dp junk.
You have made 4 posts with in a half hour. That I though was against the rules. You could have edited your first post. It is apparent you can't stand 12dailypro, I an really starting to think you are enjoying all of this & don't give a carp about all of the money that was tied to this program. Or the 300,000 members that were involved in it. Sure we all should have known better but when is enough enough? I come to the forum & if a day has gone by that you haven't started a negative post about 12dp I would be amazed. I really don't care what you post here it is a free forum but for gods sake spread some positive news sometimes & just let it go with the 12dp junk.
Here it is:
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...AC-A40D129C0405
12 Daily Pro now has a cease and desist order against it. The order was handed to an agent of 12 Daily Pro on Friday. A source familiar with the order says it calls for all involved with the internet auto-surf program to cease the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. The order is apparently part of a joint investigation by the Secretary of State of North Carolina and the Federal Securities and Exchange Commission.
Details of the order will be made public on Monday, but based on information from the North Carolina Secretary of State?s office, it represents the beginning of an investigation, not the end. According to the state of North Carolina:
?A summary cease & desist order is issued by the Securities Division when it appears that ongoing activity violates the North Carolina Securities Act or the North Carolina Investment Advisers Act and poses the threat of irreparable harm to the investing public. The cease & desist order commands those who receive it to stop any further violations and to comply with the requirements of the securities laws.?
(source: http://www.secstate.state.nc.us/)
ABC 4 has been told that Charis Johnson, Administrator of 12 Daily Pro, has not yet had an opportunity to respond to the order or its allegations.
Deadline Passes in Utah
Also Friday, a deadline came and went in Utah. Today some of the people involved in the 12 Daily Pro debacle had been ordered by administrative subpoenas to appear at the Heber Wells Building for depositions. The Utah Division of Consumer Protection is seeking a comprehensive list of all 12 Daily Pro members in Utah. Although no one appeared, Francine Gianni of the Division says negotiations are underway. She says the list could be turned over by next week.
President Hinckley's Take on Get-Rich Schemes
One other note: Thursday night?s story looked at how 12 Daily Pro spread quickly in religious communities in both Utah and Georgia. A viewer who is also a former 12 Daily Pro member suggested that we look up what has been said on the subject by President Gordon B. Hinckley of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We found this quote taken from a talk given by President Hinckley in April of 2003:
?We warn our people against get-rich schemes and other entanglements which are nearly always designed to trap the gullible.?
Since Utah became infamous for financial fraud in the early 1980?s, LDS General Authorities have spoken out on various occasions about ?too good to be true? investments. In some instances it has been compared to gambling, which is considered a sin by the Church.
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...AC-A40D129C0405
12 Daily Pro now has a cease and desist order against it. The order was handed to an agent of 12 Daily Pro on Friday. A source familiar with the order says it calls for all involved with the internet auto-surf program to cease the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. The order is apparently part of a joint investigation by the Secretary of State of North Carolina and the Federal Securities and Exchange Commission.
Details of the order will be made public on Monday, but based on information from the North Carolina Secretary of State?s office, it represents the beginning of an investigation, not the end. According to the state of North Carolina:
?A summary cease & desist order is issued by the Securities Division when it appears that ongoing activity violates the North Carolina Securities Act or the North Carolina Investment Advisers Act and poses the threat of irreparable harm to the investing public. The cease & desist order commands those who receive it to stop any further violations and to comply with the requirements of the securities laws.?
(source: http://www.secstate.state.nc.us/)
ABC 4 has been told that Charis Johnson, Administrator of 12 Daily Pro, has not yet had an opportunity to respond to the order or its allegations.
Deadline Passes in Utah
Also Friday, a deadline came and went in Utah. Today some of the people involved in the 12 Daily Pro debacle had been ordered by administrative subpoenas to appear at the Heber Wells Building for depositions. The Utah Division of Consumer Protection is seeking a comprehensive list of all 12 Daily Pro members in Utah. Although no one appeared, Francine Gianni of the Division says negotiations are underway. She says the list could be turned over by next week.
President Hinckley's Take on Get-Rich Schemes
One other note: Thursday night?s story looked at how 12 Daily Pro spread quickly in religious communities in both Utah and Georgia. A viewer who is also a former 12 Daily Pro member suggested that we look up what has been said on the subject by President Gordon B. Hinckley of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We found this quote taken from a talk given by President Hinckley in April of 2003:
?We warn our people against get-rich schemes and other entanglements which are nearly always designed to trap the gullible.?
Since Utah became infamous for financial fraud in the early 1980?s, LDS General Authorities have spoken out on various occasions about ?too good to be true? investments. In some instances it has been compared to gambling, which is considered a sin by the Church.
I'm glad you believe this, but some still don't. Others are being sucked into very similar programs. I am trying to warn them. If I prevent one person from losing their money in an autosurf, I will be happy.
If I didn't post this info, someone else surely would have.
And I spread plenty of positive news where it is deserved, for honest and legal PTR programs.
If I didn't post this info, someone else surely would have.
And I spread plenty of positive news where it is deserved, for honest and legal PTR programs.
QUOTE(deva759 @ Feb 25 2006, 01:34 AM)
Sure we all should have known better
spread some positive news
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The public was never harmed, they were only ever helped. The whole thing was twisted around because there are some very mean, nasty people about who want to see others suffer and have nothing. However what goes around comes around and many of those people who wished hardship on others will one day find themselves in hardship. Most of these mean nasty people will make diddly squat on the net and we can take comfort in that. (I will one day laugh at them) Enjoy clicking your lives away for cents, I hope you find enjoyment and security in the very few dollars you might make. Pathetic money for pathetic people. What they deserve.
QUOTE(gotlucky @ Feb 24 2006, 11:53 PM)
The public was never harmed, they were only ever helped. The whole thing was twisted around because there are some very mean, nasty people about who want to see others suffer and have nothing. However what goes around comes around and many of those people who wished hardship on others will one day find themselves in hardship. Most of these mean nasty people will make diddly squat on the net and we can take comfort in that. (I will one day laugh at them) Enjoy clicking your lives away for cents, I hope you find enjoyment and security in the very few dollars you might make. Pathetic money for pathetic people. What they deserve.
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How many times did you have to place your hand on a hot stove before you learned that you would get burned?
Never harmed? What about all the newbies who have lost their entire investment (no more quotes needed around investment). I don't want to see people suffer -- hence my warnings for people not to join ponzis. I have never wished hardship on anyone, just the opposite! I am quite happy making a legal $50 or so a month with a little effort taking surveys and clicking with honest programs.
Mean? Nasty? Pathetic? Those who are at the top of ponzis might fit that description. They steal money from the newbies! Then when programs fall apart, they blame the people who warn about other programs, yet they themselves keep promoting them. Sorry I'm being harsh, but that's how I see it, and with the cease and desist, the government sees it that way as well.
Mean? Nasty? Pathetic? Those who are at the top of ponzis might fit that description. They steal money from the newbies! Then when programs fall apart, they blame the people who warn about other programs, yet they themselves keep promoting them. Sorry I'm being harsh, but that's how I see it, and with the cease and desist, the government sees it that way as well.
QUOTE(gotlucky @ Feb 25 2006, 01:53 AM)
The public was never harmed, they were only ever helped. The whole thing was twisted around because there are some very mean, nasty people about who want to see others suffer and have nothing. However what goes around comes around and many of those people who wished hardship on others will one day find themselves in hardship. Most of these mean nasty people will make diddly squat on the net and we can take comfort in that. (I will one day laugh at them)? Enjoy clicking your lives away for cents, I hope you find enjoyment and security in the very? few dollars you might make. Pathetic money for pathetic people. What they deserve.
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Don't worry Scott and Charmeyn. This is a classic case of them blaming "us, the non believers" in the demise of their wonderful widget.
NO, it could NEVER be the fault of the widget designer...MUST be the fault of us nay sayers...
Of course, the mere fact that this "widget" was breaking LAWS never occurred to them...
As I have said all along, these sites are either:
a. a ponzi
b. illegally selling securities (investments) and are NOT registered with the SEC, FTC ...
Personally, I believe its a mixture of both...
NO, it could NEVER be the fault of the widget designer...MUST be the fault of us nay sayers...
Of course, the mere fact that this "widget" was breaking LAWS never occurred to them...
As I have said all along, these sites are either:
a. a ponzi
b. illegally selling securities (investments) and are NOT registered with the SEC, FTC ...
Personally, I believe its a mixture of both...
QUOTE(onlooker @ Feb 25 2006, 12:15 AM)
Don't worry Scott and Charmeyn. This is a classic case of them blaming "us, the non believers" in the demise of their wonderful widget.
NO, it could NEVER be the fault of the widget designer...MUST be the fault of us nay sayers...
Of course, the mere fact that this "widget" was breaking LAWS never occurred to them...
As I have said all along, these sites are either:
a. a ponzi
b. illegally selling securities (investments) and are NOT registered with the SEC, FTC ...
Personally, I believe its a mixture of both...
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NO, it could NEVER be the fault of the widget designer...MUST be the fault of us nay sayers...
Of course, the mere fact that this "widget" was breaking LAWS never occurred to them...
As I have said all along, these sites are either:
a. a ponzi
b. illegally selling securities (investments) and are NOT registered with the SEC, FTC ...
Personally, I believe its a mixture of both...
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I'm not worried in the least, but it just amazes me how some people's mentalities shine through by some of there comments, makes me wonder if they would refuse the help of stranger if they were drowning in water?
Many of you want us to drown, thats the truth. 12dp was a lifeline, a shining light in the darkness of hardship and struggle. I never realised the world was quite so mean and hard that after years of struggle and hardship on the net by non paying programs a life line should be denied us. I didnt realise there were quite so many nasty people. It will take me some time to recover form the shock of that, not 12 demise but just how nasty and mean others are getting enjoyment out of making others suffer. The mind boggles at the spite on the net and the hideousness of it.
QUOTE(charmeyn @ Feb 25 2006, 02:01 AM)
How many times did you have to place your hand on a hot stove before you learned that you would get burned?
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Thanks Charmeyn that made me laugh out loud, I know I shouldnt laugh at others misfortune but..
QUOTE(gotlucky @ Feb 25 2006, 04:04 AM)
Many of you want us to drown, thats the truth. 12dp was a lifeline, a shining light in the darkness of hardship and struggle. I never realised the world was quite so mean and hard that after years of struggle and hardship on the net by non paying programs a life line should be denied us. I didnt realise there were quite so many nasty people. It will take me some time to recover form the shock of that, not 12 demise but just how nasty and mean others are getting enjoyment out of making others suffer. The mind boggles at the spite on the net and the hideousness of it.
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It was only a shining light "FOR NOW"...Within a few months, they would have become the next 4DP or the next ST.
In fact, I remember you saying that ST was also the "saviour" at one point...hmmm...no outside interference there...no SP account freezing...no ABC4 news bashing ... no FBI investigation ...
Nope, ST crashed ALL ON ITS OWN ...
And guess what? Their 1% for 1 year was actually MORE sustainable than the 12% for 12 days that 12DP offered. Maybe thats why they lasted 18 months and 12DP last 8 months ...
It was bound to happen <AGAIN> and everyone that had just invested in the last cycle would have been burnt.
Why oh why do you refuse to see that? And then you call US pathetic?
Get a grip girl ...
This is incredible! As I mentioned before, now that 12dp is officially gone -- due to government action, people will support it as much as ever, and still bash the "naysayers".
Ok, a lifeline. This money lifeline is only long enough for the first few people. Those who try to grab the lifeline too late will certainly lose their money ("drown"). Since it appears you were one of the lucky few to get on the lifeline, you must realize that people who joined later "drowned" because of it, and your support of the program.
Again, I am strongly anti-suffer (wow, that sounds so similar to "anti-surfer"). I want to warn people to stay away from these illegal programs which are all bound to fall just as 12dp did.
Ok, a lifeline. This money lifeline is only long enough for the first few people. Those who try to grab the lifeline too late will certainly lose their money ("drown"). Since it appears you were one of the lucky few to get on the lifeline, you must realize that people who joined later "drowned" because of it, and your support of the program.
Again, I am strongly anti-suffer (wow, that sounds so similar to "anti-surfer"). I want to warn people to stay away from these illegal programs which are all bound to fall just as 12dp did.
QUOTE(gotlucky @ Feb 25 2006, 03:04 AM)
Many of? you want us to drown, thats the truth. 12dp was a lifeline, a shining light in the darkness of hardship and struggle.? I never realised the world was quite so mean and hard that after years of struggle and hardship on the net by non paying programs a life line should be denied us. I didnt realise there were quite so many nasty people. It will take me some time to recover form the shock of that, not 12 demise but just how nasty and mean others? are getting enjoyment out of making others suffer. The mind boggles at the spite on the net and the hideousness of it.
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QUOTE(onlooker @ Feb 25 2006, 03:11 AM)
In fact, I remember you saying that ST was also the "saviour" at one point...hmmm...no outside interference there...no SP account freezing...no ABC4 news bashing ... no FBI investigation ...
Nope, ST crashed ALL ON ITS OWN ...
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Nope, ST crashed ALL ON ITS OWN ...
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oh comon Rod, that was your fault too.....it's always your fault because you are the 'king' of ptr, you are jealous of people making eleventy billion dollars for surfing 10 pages while latteing it up on the beach and lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills
LOL! Of course the fall of 12dp was Rod's fault, my fault, ABC's fault, the FBI's fault, the BBB's fault, SP's fault, etc! Everyone is to blame except Charis. But we all knew that.
QUOTE(drjonah @ Feb 25 2006, 03:15 AM)
oh comon Rod, that was your fault too.....
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QUOTE(scottsinct @ Feb 25 2006, 03:18 AM)
LOL! Of course the fall of 12dp was Rod's fault, my fault, etc! But we all knew that.
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when this all goes to trial, I'm gonna feel bad for the judge who gets this case......I mean what some people were willing to do to the reporters of ABC, imagine what they will suggest doing to the judges/lawyers in the case
I didn't say it was anyones fault but I did say yes we should have known About the autosurfs & that was our fault. What bothers me is the fact that Stormpay took a lot of peoples money & I suppose that was 12dp fault? People used that processor that didn't even use autosurfs & they were also hurt by this. 12dp is done over, I am sure there are plenty of autosurf sites out there you can now focus on & just let go of the trash talk about 12dp. As we say here it is time to get a life & quit rubbing it in our faces.
QUOTE(scottsinct @ Feb 25 2006, 01:18 AM)
LOL! Of course the fall of 12dp was Rod's fault, my fault, ABC's fault, the FBI's fault, the BBB's fault, SP's fault, etc! Everyone is to blame except Charis. But we all knew that.
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It's called Denial, and I'm not talking about the river in Egypt; sometimes the truth is bound to be hurtful to some people
QUOTE(drjonah @ Feb 25 2006, 04:15 AM)
oh comon Rod, that was your fault too.....it's always your fault because you are the 'king' of ptr, you are jealous of people making eleventy billion dollars for surfing 10 pages while latteing it up on the beach and lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills
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everytime you post that I have to read it over and over again and crack up... And, for YOUR information, I don't smoke and would NEVER burn one ... (I use my hundred dollar bills to make paper airplanes and blow my nose.)
Oh yeah, and instead of washing my windshield with newspaper, I use my "C notes" to wash my Lamborghini as well ...
QUOTE(deva759 @ Feb 25 2006, 04:29 AM)
I didn't say it was anyones fault but I did say yes we should have known About the autosurfs & that was our fault. What bothers me is the fact that Stormpay took a lot of peoples money & I suppose that was 12dp fault? People used that processor that didn't even use autosurfs & they were also hurt by this. 12dp is done over, I am sure there are plenty of autosurf sites out there you can now focus on & just let go of the trash talk about 12dp. As we say here it is time to get a life & quit rubbing it in our faces.
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That $50 million that SP CONFIRMS they have, is not lost ... The FEDS will step in a do some sort of reimbursement but I promise you, none of you will get your full amount back. Maybe 10% to 25%? And will most likely take 3 to 6 months to recover.
QUOTE(onlooker @ Feb 25 2006, 03:32 AM)
everytime you post that I have to read it over and over again and crack up... And, for YOUR information, I don't smoke and would NEVER burn one ... (I use my hundred dollar bills to make paper airplanes and blow my nose.)
Oh yeah, and instead of washing my windshield with newspaper, I use my "C notes" to wash my Lamborghini as well ...
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eleventy billion dollars is my favorite number.....i dont know if you ever saw those Celebrity Jeopardy parodies on Saturday Night Live but that's where it came from, one of the celebrities made that his wager for final jeopardy
personally I use hundred dollar bills as toilet paper
QUOTE(deva759 @ Feb 25 2006, 04:29 AM)
I didn't say it was anyones fault but I did say yes we should have known About the autosurfs & that was our fault. What bothers me is the fact that Stormpay took a lot of peoples money & I suppose that was 12dp fault? People used that processor that didn't even use autosurfs & they were also hurt by this. 12dp is done over, I am sure there are plenty of autosurf sites out there you can now focus on & just let go of the trash talk about 12dp. As we say here it is time to get a life & quit rubbing it in our faces.
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I understand the pain/suffering you may have due to this loss but "I" am not here to rub it in anyone's face. I have been here the WHOLE TIME addressing the LEGALITY and PHEASABILITY of these sites since day one. They prospered for a little while and the pro-surfers told me to "shut up", I had "no clue" what I was talking about.
I am here to say that I did have a "clue" afterall and wasn't just bashing the program out of some personal vendetta.
Breaking the law is breaking the law, no matter who does it.
QUOTE(gotlucky @ Feb 25 2006, 01:04 AM)
Many of you want us to drown, thats the truth. 12dp was a lifeline, a shining light in the darkness of hardship and struggle. I never realised the world was quite so mean and hard that after years of struggle and hardship on the net by non paying programs a life line should be denied us. I didnt realise there were quite so many nasty people. It will take me some time to recover form the shock of that, not 12 demise but just how nasty and mean others are getting enjoyment out of making others suffer. The mind boggles at the spite on the net and the hideousness of it.
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You want to talk about hardship and struggle, try living on the streets for a couple of years as I have done, and that didn't make me a mean and bitter person; in fact it did quite the opposite as it taught me to be more compassionate of people who have gone through what I have that I would without hesitation give my last bit of change to that person; and on the same token I would do whatever it takes to keep a fellow human being from doing something that I feel would be harmful to them, so don't be calling me mean or anyone else who's only intention is the same, to offer a helping hand with no strings attached.
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personally I use hundred dollar bills as toilet paper
I'm MUCH too rich to rough up my backside with "paper".
I use fine silk instead of toilet paper...And of course, I pay someone else to wipe it for me...
OK...enough kidding around...
Back to your regularly scheduled topic ...
QUOTE(scottsinct @ Feb 24 2006, 11:39 PM)
Here it is:
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...AC-A40D129C0405
12 Daily Pro now has a cease and desist order against it. The order was handed to an agent of 12 Daily Pro on Friday. A source familiar with the order says it calls for all involved with the internet auto-surf program to cease the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. The order is apparently part of a joint investigation by the Secretary of State of North Carolina and the Federal Securities and Exchange Commission.
Details of the order will be made public on Monday, but based on information from the North Carolina Secretary of State?s office, it represents the beginning of an investigation, not the end. According to the state of North Carolina:
?A summary cease & desist order is issued by the Securities Division when it appears that ongoing activity violates the North Carolina Securities Act or the North Carolina Investment Advisers Act and poses the threat of irreparable harm to the investing public. The cease & desist order commands those who receive it to stop any further violations and to comply with the requirements of the securities laws.?
(source: http://www.secstate.state.nc.us/)
ABC 4 has been told that Charis Johnson, Administrator of 12 Daily Pro, has not yet had an opportunity to respond to the order or its allegations.
Deadline Passes in Utah
Also Friday, a deadline came and went in Utah. Today some of the people involved in the 12 Daily Pro debacle had been ordered by administrative subpoenas to appear at the Heber Wells Building for depositions. The Utah Division of Consumer Protection is seeking a comprehensive list of all 12 Daily Pro members in Utah. Although no one appeared, Francine Gianni of the Division says negotiations are underway. She says the list could be turned over by next week.
President Hinckley's Take on Get-Rich Schemes
One other note: Thursday night?s story looked at how 12 Daily Pro spread quickly in religious communities in both Utah and Georgia. A viewer who is also a former 12 Daily Pro member suggested that we look up what has been said on the subject by President Gordon B. Hinckley of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We found this quote taken from a talk given by President Hinckley in April of 2003:
?We warn our people against get-rich schemes and other entanglements which are nearly always designed to trap the gullible.?
Since Utah became infamous for financial fraud in the early 1980?s, LDS General Authorities have spoken out on various occasions about ?too good to be true? investments. In some instances it has been compared to gambling, which is considered a sin by the Church.
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http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headl...AC-A40D129C0405
12 Daily Pro now has a cease and desist order against it. The order was handed to an agent of 12 Daily Pro on Friday. A source familiar with the order says it calls for all involved with the internet auto-surf program to cease the sale of unregistered securities by unlicensed individuals. The order is apparently part of a joint investigation by the Secretary of State of North Carolina and the Federal Securities and Exchange Commission.
Details of the order will be made public on Monday, but based on information from the North Carolina Secretary of State?s office, it represents the beginning of an investigation, not the end. According to the state of North Carolina:
?A summary cease & desist order is issued by the Securities Division when it appears that ongoing activity violates the North Carolina Securities Act or the North Carolina Investment Advisers Act and poses the threat of irreparable harm to the investing public. The cease & desist order commands those who receive it to stop any further violations and to comply with the requirements of the securities laws.?
(source: http://www.secstate.state.nc.us/)
ABC 4 has been told that Charis Johnson, Administrator of 12 Daily Pro, has not yet had an opportunity to respond to the order or its allegations.
Deadline Passes in Utah
Also Friday, a deadline came and went in Utah. Today some of the people involved in the 12 Daily Pro debacle had been ordered by administrative subpoenas to appear at the Heber Wells Building for depositions. The Utah Division of Consumer Protection is seeking a comprehensive list of all 12 Daily Pro members in Utah. Although no one appeared, Francine Gianni of the Division says negotiations are underway. She says the list could be turned over by next week.
President Hinckley's Take on Get-Rich Schemes
One other note: Thursday night?s story looked at how 12 Daily Pro spread quickly in religious communities in both Utah and Georgia. A viewer who is also a former 12 Daily Pro member suggested that we look up what has been said on the subject by President Gordon B. Hinckley of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We found this quote taken from a talk given by President Hinckley in April of 2003:
?We warn our people against get-rich schemes and other entanglements which are nearly always designed to trap the gullible.?
Since Utah became infamous for financial fraud in the early 1980?s, LDS General Authorities have spoken out on various occasions about ?too good to be true? investments. In some instances it has been compared to gambling, which is considered a sin by the Church.
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Charis is from North Carolina where this cease and desist was issued so it would be safe to say that 12dailypro is finished, it seems ironic as this was the same thing that happened with Stormpay years ago.
I'm very glad you post all this posts scottsinct, please don't stop doing it 
It's very interesting news
It's very interesting news
QUOTE(deva759 @ Feb 25 2006, 03:29 AM)
12dp is done over, I am sure there are plenty of autosurf sites out there you can now focus on & just let go of the trash talk about 12dp. As we say here it is time to get a life & quit rubbing it in our faces.
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No.
12DP has now officially set a legal precedent for all other autosurfs and scum programs. It's THE example to go off of.
Anyway..
Great news! The proverbial fat lady has sung....
QUOTE(kachena @ Feb 25 2006, 02:54 AM)
No.
12DP has now officially set a legal precedent for all other autosurfs and scum programs. It's THE example to go off of.
Anyway..
Great news! The proverbial fat lady has sung....
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12DP has now officially set a legal precedent for all other autosurfs and scum programs. It's THE example to go off of.
Anyway..
Great news! The proverbial fat lady has sung....
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And it's about time, now maybe people who wish to run an online business more ethically will see the light, and this goes for all online program's as I am pretty sure the authorities are quite aware of the many money making oportunities avalaible online and will be more willing to listen to complaints when an online money making business is doing things that are in most part would be questionable in the "Offline World"
And this media attention has been something that some of us who do make money online and have been burned have been waiting for, including those of us who do PTR.
I say this is a moment in history for all who wish to make money online that would be done legaly and weed out the "Scammer's" and "Cons" and make room for those who wish to run an honest business.
Edited to Add: And for those who always ask if anything can be done to stop scam program's, this is proof that it's possible and your complaints are heard
QUOTE(charmeyn @ Feb 25 2006, 12:13 PM)
And it's about time, now maybe people who wish to run an online business more ethically will see the light, and this goes for all online program's as I am pretty sure the authorities are quite aware of the many money making oportunities avalaible online and will be more willing to listen to complaints when an online money making business is doing things that are in most part would be questionable in the "Offline World"
And this media attention has been something that some of us who do make money online and have been burned have been waiting for, including those of us who do PTR.
I say this is a moment in history for all who wish to make money online that would be done legaly and weed out the "Scammer's" and "Cons" and make room for those who wish to run an honest business.
Edited to Add: And for those who always ask if anything can be done to stop scam program's, this is proof that it's possible and your complaints are heard
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And this media attention has been something that some of us who do make money online and have been burned have been waiting for, including those of us who do PTR.
I say this is a moment in history for all who wish to make money online that would be done legaly and weed out the "Scammer's" and "Cons" and make room for those who wish to run an honest business.
Edited to Add: And for those who always ask if anything can be done to stop scam program's, this is proof that it's possible and your complaints are heard
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Hi charmeyn,
I guess your hopes are too high - even about "dame justitia" finally hearing complaints and reacting on them.
Synical spoken: Murder has been a crime from the start - still people kill other people.
Greetz
Virginia2
QUOTE(Virginia2 @ Feb 25 2006, 03:23 AM)
Hi charmeyn,
I guess your hopes are too high - even about "dame justitia" finally hearing complaints and reacting on them.
Synical spoken: Murder has been a crime from the start - still people kill other people.
Greetz
Virginia2
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I guess your hopes are too high - even about "dame justitia" finally hearing complaints and reacting on them.
Synical spoken: Murder has been a crime from the start - still people kill other people.
Greetz
Virginia2
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I think, Virginia, you totaly mis-understood my point.
The point is that the internet is a haven for people who wish to deceive people, and question's were always asked by many people here over the years that I have been a member here what could be done about it, they say they see no action being taken against those commiting internet crime's,the one's doing the crimes feel they can get away with it without being caught because they are harder to track down online, well this is proof they can be and will be judged according to their crime's.
Sure murder happens all the time, it's still Illegal to willingly kill someone, and yes they do eventually get caught, tried and convicted; so your example is rather poor to say that I have my hopes set to high.
And were you not the one who wanted to know what could be done about a similar program as 12dailypro which operates from Canada? Have you followed any of my advice and called the number's I provided?
QUOTE(charmeyn @ Feb 25 2006, 12:35 PM)
And were you not the one who wanted to know what could be done about a similar program as 12dailypro which operates from Canada? Have you followed any of my advice and called the number's I provided?
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Hi charmeyn,
yes, I was the one who tried to stop this canadian scammer.
A canadian member of the french forum I told you about phoned phonebusters - they listend to his complains but didn't take any action to stop the scammer.
I sent a fax to phonebusters (3 pages containing all known fasts) - also: no reaction.
I even contacted stormpay to tell them about this scam program - they still offer stormpay as one of their payment processors. Their account hasn't been frozen by stormpay.
That's what I meant with "your hopes are too high". Even if one ponzi has been stop by legal authorities right now it doesn't mean there will be any legal action against others.
Greetz
Virginia2
I think there should be no real discussion about 12dp... Because 12dp was never real anyway. When I've asked how anyone could make a LEGAL profit of +12% a day (because owner must have profit to) people actually tried to make me believe it was possible...
Well, now we all can see how we made one person rich and all the others left alone.
I'm glad I've never invested in 12dp, the programm itself never gave me a good feeling and now I know why ...
I hope everybody has learned a lesson here and stay away from all those ponzi schemes. Or at least never invest amounds of thousands dollars again ...
Well, now we all can see how we made one person rich and all the others left alone.
I'm glad I've never invested in 12dp, the programm itself never gave me a good feeling and now I know why ...
I hope everybody has learned a lesson here and stay away from all those ponzi schemes. Or at least never invest amounds of thousands dollars again ...
As a member of 12DailyPro I guess all I can say is, none of this surprises me. If you do the math, you will see that mathematically it is impossible to pay anyone 12% a day for long. We don't know anything about Charis Johnson's background but I am doubting that she is a financial expert. I got into it for the short term and planned on pulling out after the convention. I didn't put much in at all, didn't promote the site and was just hoping to make a couple hundred mad money. My dad used to tell me "You get nothing for nothing and ###### little for 2 cents." There are very few completely honest ventures out there that will yield 12% a day. Actually, I can't think of 1. It's disappointing. None of us like to believe that there are unscrupulous people out there who take advantage of others and none of like to sit back and admit we have egg on our faces. To Gotlucky all I can say is, money is not an indicator of true success and happiness. Some of us like to take chances. Some of us stick to the safe. If you're not happy with what you have, you will never be happy with anything and sometimes, it's just wise to accept the truth and move on a little smarter the next time. 12DailyPro was great while it lasted. Maybe it's just better now to take a harder look at what you're putting money into and research who you're giving it to. Maybe she helped people for the short term and because the program was nipped before it fell apart on its own, it seems as if much good was done. But eventually, the program would have fallen apart as Math would predict, and many people would have been more harmed than helped. I think I'm done with autosurfing. I still do one program, DadnDaves but I have no intention of sticking in thousands. My investments are in my house, mutual funds, money markets, a CD and bonds. Clicking for pennies makes nice Christmas money. Big houses just mean more for me to clean. Nice cars means parts are expensive when they break down. And if God was as in love with money as we are, we could take it with us when we leave the planet but, we have to leave it all here. BUMMER.
I'm ever the realist
I'm ever the realist
QUOTE(septangel9 @ Feb 25 2006, 09:56 AM)
As a member of 12DailyPro I guess all I can say is, none of this surprises me. If you do the math, you will see that mathematically it is impossible to pay anyone 12% a day for long. We don't know anything about Charis Johnson's background but I am doubting that she is a financial expert. I got into it for the short term and planned on pulling out after the convention. I didn't put much in at all, didn't promote the site and was just hoping to make a couple hundred mad money. My dad used to tell me "You get nothing for nothing and ###### little for 2 cents." There are very few completely honest ventures out there that will yield 12% a day. Actually, I can't think of 1. It's disappointing. None of us like to believe that there are unscrupulous people out there who take advantage of others and none of like to sit back and admit we have egg on our faces. To Gotlucky all I can say is, money is not an indicator of true success and happiness. Some of us like to take chances. Some of us stick to the safe. If you're not happy with what you have, you will never be happy with anything and sometimes, it's just wise to accept the truth and move on a little smarter the next time. 12DailyPro was great while it lasted. Maybe it's just better now to take a harder look at what you're putting money into and research who you're giving it to. Maybe she helped people for the short term and because the program was nipped before it fell apart on its own, it seems as if much good was done. But eventually, the program would have fallen apart as Math would predict, and many people would have been more harmed than helped. I think I'm done with autosurfing. I still do one program, DadnDaves but I have no intention of sticking in thousands. My investments are in my house, mutual funds, money markets, a CD and bonds. Clicking for pennies makes nice Christmas money. Big houses just mean more for me to clean. Nice cars means parts are expensive when they break down. And if God was as in love with money as we are, we could take it with us when we leave the planet but, we have to leave it all here. BUMMER.
I'm ever the realist
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If you didn't promote it, how did it get in your signature?
Whoa..you're right. Gone now..
Great point. To those who still think she's a financial genius, her background is in "television and multimedia production."
Article from 2001 about the same Charis Johnson:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2...12/daily34.html
New multimedia marketing firm established in Winston-Salem
A new marketing firm is entering the Triad market with plans to offer business card-size CD-ROMs both to businesses and consumers.
SpinControl Marketing is owned and operated by Charis Johnson, a Winston-Salem native who is returning to the Triad after a career in television and multimedia production in Chapel Hill and Los Angeles.
Several Triad-area firms produce business card-sized CD-ROMs, usually marketed specifically to businesses. SpinControl will call their version the SpinCard.
Johnson said she will market the SpinCard both to the traditional business market and to consumers. SpinControl has designed templates consumers will be able to use to design their own cards with wedding pictures or baby pictures, for example, over the Internet.
SpinControl has three employees based in California, Johnson said. She expects to hire two sales people and two multimedia designers sometime after the company moves into offices at the Hewitt Business Center in Winston-Salem in December.
Article from 2001 about the same Charis Johnson:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2...12/daily34.html
New multimedia marketing firm established in Winston-Salem
A new marketing firm is entering the Triad market with plans to offer business card-size CD-ROMs both to businesses and consumers.
SpinControl Marketing is owned and operated by Charis Johnson, a Winston-Salem native who is returning to the Triad after a career in television and multimedia production in Chapel Hill and Los Angeles.
Several Triad-area firms produce business card-sized CD-ROMs, usually marketed specifically to businesses. SpinControl will call their version the SpinCard.
Johnson said she will market the SpinCard both to the traditional business market and to consumers. SpinControl has designed templates consumers will be able to use to design their own cards with wedding pictures or baby pictures, for example, over the Internet.
SpinControl has three employees based in California, Johnson said. She expects to hire two sales people and two multimedia designers sometime after the company moves into offices at the Hewitt Business Center in Winston-Salem in December.
QUOTE(septangel9 @ Feb 25 2006, 09:56 AM)
We don't know anything about Charis Johnson's background but I am doubting that she is a financial expert.
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QUOTE(onlooker @ Feb 25 2006, 04:34 AM)
That $50 million that SP CONFIRMS they have, is not lost ... The FEDS will step in a do some sort of reimbursement but I promise you, none of you will get your full amount back. Maybe 10% to 25%? And will most likely take 3 to 6 months to recover.
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Do you really believe that they are getting back their money? This is where it is going to get ugly. Did people from 1heluva and cashits get back their money? No
QUOTE(slik300 @ Feb 25 2006, 01:51 PM)
Do you really believe that they are getting back their money? This is where it is going to get ugly. Did people from 1heluva and cashits get back their money? No
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And I'm not sure some members- the ones who KNEW it was a ponzi, but still stood up for it and pulled others into it- deserve any money back. A lesson learned, perhaps.
It seemed a foregone clonclusion 12Daily would be shut down once the
investigation started.
For many people who joined 12Daily I think it was a calculated gamble
they took. I don't think that many "innocents" joined.
Like many programs online (including ptrs as well) you take an informed
risk. I've lost money in many ptrs that started off seeming honest and
ethical and then for a variety of reasons ran off with the members money.
I also joined autosurfs ,some doublers and bubbles when I was
new online - some I made money with some I lost.
In this case Stormpay has made such a mess with the chargebacks it is
going to foul up the refund process for months and months. Their actions
are pretty hard to justify as well.
It is sad to see certain members celebrating this whole situation. It
deals a blow in lost income to the whole paidto community. The are some big investors who made out well but there were many many small
investors who hoped to make a small profit and get out. If 12Daily had
collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
Are most autosurfs illegal? Probably at least in the US. But so is running off with members money in any program. Just one more sad experience the world of paidto.
investigation started.
For many people who joined 12Daily I think it was a calculated gamble
they took. I don't think that many "innocents" joined.
Like many programs online (including ptrs as well) you take an informed
risk. I've lost money in many ptrs that started off seeming honest and
ethical and then for a variety of reasons ran off with the members money.
I also joined autosurfs ,some doublers and bubbles when I was
new online - some I made money with some I lost.
In this case Stormpay has made such a mess with the chargebacks it is
going to foul up the refund process for months and months. Their actions
are pretty hard to justify as well.
It is sad to see certain members celebrating this whole situation. It
deals a blow in lost income to the whole paidto community. The are some big investors who made out well but there were many many small
investors who hoped to make a small profit and get out. If 12Daily had
collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
Are most autosurfs illegal? Probably at least in the US. But so is running off with members money in any program. Just one more sad experience the world of paidto.
If 12dp had collapsed on its own, this would be much worse. The program might have continued for a month or two, and instead of $400 million (?) we'd have nearly $1 billion in limbo. Again, the money is locked in SP, not run off into the sunset. If SP wasn't acting on order of the Feds, they will have to take responsibility as well, don't worry. Of course the smaller investors are the ones who lost, the bigger ones from earlier on had already cashed out!
We are not celebrating... far from it! We are trying to warn newbies to stay away from these illegal, risky, and dangerous programs.
We are not celebrating... far from it! We are trying to warn newbies to stay away from these illegal, risky, and dangerous programs.
QUOTE(zelda @ Feb 25 2006, 02:11 PM)
If 12Daily had
collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
Are most autosurfs illegal?? Probably at least in the US.? But so is running off with members money in any program.? Just one more sad experience the world of paidto.
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collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
Are most autosurfs illegal?? Probably at least in the US.? But so is running off with members money in any program.? Just one more sad experience the world of paidto.
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QUOTE(scottsinct @ Feb 25 2006, 03:39 PM)
If 12dp had collapsed on its own, this would be much worse. The program might have continued for a month or two, and instead of $400 million (?) we'd have nearly $1 billion in limbo. Again, the money is locked in SP, not run off into the sunset. If SP wasn't acting on order of the Feds, they will have to take responsibility as well, don't worry. Of course the smaller investors are the ones who lost, the bigger ones from earlier on had already cashed out!
We are not celebrating... far from it! We are trying to warn newbies to stay away from these illegal, risky, and dangerous programs.
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We are not celebrating... far from it! We are trying to warn newbies to stay away from these illegal, risky, and dangerous programs.
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Perhaps celebrating is putting it mildly,its more like gloating.Why dont you give it a rest before you drown in I told you so's.
As fas as I'm concerned my money has run off into the sunset. I have chargebacks all made to 12Daily that include money from StormClix and
other paidto programs. I don't see how "refunds" can even be figured out.
other paidto programs. I don't see how "refunds" can even be figured out.
QUOTE(zelda @ Feb 25 2006, 02:11 PM)
It is sad to see certain members celebrating this whole situation. It
deals a blow in lost income to the whole paidto community. The are some big investors who made out well but there were many many small
investors who hoped to make a small profit and get out. If 12Daily had
collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
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deals a blow in lost income to the whole paidto community. The are some big investors who made out well but there were many many small
investors who hoped to make a small profit and get out. If 12Daily had
collapsed on its own some money would have been lost but thanks to
Stormpay many many more people lost their money.
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Why not celebrate? With the order, this program didn't have the chance to get bigger, gain more members and steal more money.
Hopefully, it'll set a precedent for this industry. I'm happy about it.
I'll tell you what the blow to the paidto community is.. people around the world watching the news seeing 12DP set a scammish tone for the rest of the industry. Scum programs like autosurfs stealing money and disappearing, taking down gullible members with it.
Come on. You actually think 12DP was a GOOD thing? STILL??
Had you ever withdrawn money from SP? If so, then money you consider to be from StormClix and other programs might be consided from to be from 12dp (I mean a dollar is a dollar, so the money you withdrew could have been the SClix money instead of the 12dp money) by both SP and the government. If not, then...
QUOTE(zelda @ Feb 25 2006, 03:32 PM)
As fas as I'm concerned my money has run off into the sunset. I have chargebacks all made to 12Daily that include money from StormClix and
other paidto programs. I don't see how "refunds" can even be figured out.
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other paidto programs. I don't see how "refunds" can even be figured out.
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What a terribly sad thing you would celebrate many member hoping to make a little money online losing money. Many members of this forum
have lost money to scam ptrs as well as scam autosurfs. I hope you
celebrate their losing their money as a way to teach then a lesson.
I find i a little irritating this sanctimonious knowitall tone used btw -I have never once said 12Daily was a good thing.
have lost money to scam ptrs as well as scam autosurfs. I hope you
celebrate their losing their money as a way to teach then a lesson.
I find i a little irritating this sanctimonious knowitall tone used btw -I have never once said 12Daily was a good thing.
I notice that you didn't answer my question (which of course you aren't obligated to do). But trust me, if you've withdrawn 12dp earnings, and the govenment was involved, your StormClix earnings could be considered 12dp earnings to make up for that which was withdrawn (again, a dollar is a dollar).
QUOTE(zelda @ Feb 25 2006, 03:46 PM)
What a terribly sad thing you would celebrate many member hoping to make a little money online losing money. Many members of this forum
have lost money to scam ptrs as well as scam autosurfs. I hope you
celebrate their losing their money as a way to teach then a lesson.
I find i a little irritating this sanctimonious knowitall tone used btw -I have never once said 12Daily was a good thing.
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have lost money to scam ptrs as well as scam autosurfs. I hope you
celebrate their losing their money as a way to teach then a lesson.
I find i a little irritating this sanctimonious knowitall tone used btw -I have never once said 12Daily was a good thing.
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die scampay
long live to charis
long live to charis
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