I need to know what is the best auto-surf and hyip to join. They must be reliable, been around for awhile, paying and will continue to pay in the long run and accept stormpay. Also both need the option to where I can buy upgrades with my account earnings. Right now I am in pajamasurf and luxury-hyip, but luxury-hyip has been down all day and Im starting to have my doubts about them Please post all sites. I will take a look at each one, so you do not have to post any facts about the programs if you dont want to.

Autosurfs: 12daily and Alientrust
alientrust you can upgrade from account, but only after all your upgrades have expired

also paying for upgrades from account earnings isnt always the best thing, I've been having good luck with New england investments, he pays within 24 hours of request so you can re upgrade pretty quick

although I think profits4investingtoo and 5 dayfunds allow, they are really popular hyips. although their high payments make me weary and I have unfourtunately stayed away.

There is a list of reliable autosurf, i.e.:

http://www.123etraffic.com/
http://www.911hitz.com/
http://www.auto-surf.biz/
http://www.dadndaves.net/
http://www.eprofitsurf.com/
http://www.exekosurf.com/
http://www.gottalottahits.com
http://www.grandhits.com/
etc.

Check http://autosurfinfo.com/ and http://paidsurfing.info/ for more.

About HYIPs, I don't know any reliable one.

I would definitely recommend auto-surf.biz, dadndaves.net, and 12dailypro. I have had good experiences with them, except when auto-surf.biz got rid of it's free $10 upgrade but they're upgrades last FOREVER so it makes up for it. There's many more out there but those are just some that I am comfortable with right now.