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I'm not sure that was such a smart thing for Fred to do. Now he's got the ticked off people really furious, and they're gonna do all they can to bring him down 10x faster.

I am SOOOOOO glad I never invested and cancelled my free account.

I feel bad for you losing all that money. I hope you are able to recover from it without to much stress. (I know that doesn't help at all, sorry)

I joined 1hell but never invested. I kept my account open because the bi-weekly e-mails were good for a laugh or two.

(Hey, it's my first POST! Yippiiiieeeeeee!)

Phil

and how much did you lose.

i dont have time to read a forum made up of 1/2 the people not registering and who knows if they are making up stuff just for the heck of it.

and how about giving us your name?

not 123

From what I can gether....The person who lost all that money is Cindy.....Another point is, they didn't lose all of that money, they invested $17,500....they have already got back $17,000 so they are out of pocket by $500...and any interest, had they had it in a bank...so they have lost more than the $500 really.

I gathered this info from reading the forum over at yonder...lol.

That is good news! 17,000 could be a big hit for anybody. Are there any chances of the 500 being returned as well?

Phil

This person has already gotten back $17,000 of $17,500 so there's a $500 loss + fees...

And this person is ringleading a group of disgruntled members in a forum started for the sole purpose to bring 1heluva down.

A clear violation of the Terms and Conditions.

Fred was within his rights to suspend the account..

Suspended accounts could be re-instated...it hasn't been deleted..
But i belive it should be..

This person and others like him/her at this point are malicious in their vendetta against Fred and Debbie and are hurting all of us.

There's a law, that clearly says that if not for your actions, things would/might be different....

Well based on that law, this person and others like them can be sued, not only b y Fred, but by each and every existing member who has an investment in 1heluva and will now loose money, or loose more than they would have had these people not started their vendetta.

I hope for their sakes they don't own anything, because there's a lot more at stake here than his /her $500 loss..

They are putting their homes/ assets/ cars etc up for grabs for anyone who wishies to pursue it.

So let them have their fun with their ridiculous slander forum

I hope for their sakes, they find it worth it, when it's all over because they will be open for the biggest lawsuits imaginable..

They are causing a lot of people to loose money, and when you hit people in their pockets, just watch out!

It's not only them, it started with Jay and Paul, (isaaf)

I see nothing wrong with warning people about a program, but it's been constant slander.

I'm not defending 1heluva's structure, and the fact that it depends on new money coming in each month, more and more...But we knew that when we joined...nothing has changed in that aspect...
So these idiots, who joined knowing that are now shouting it from the rooftops simply because they didn't like the formula change.

They actually seem to think that the old one was better, being changed at the last minute to compensate for lack of money.

Personally i like knowing in advance what i was getting...

It was because i knew that i had a 30 day guarantee of 50% or whatever, that i based a decision on wheter to invest.

Not knowing where you stand, deters any consideration of investments...
Knowing the formula would be adjusted at the end of the month, deters any consideration of investment.

All Fred tried to do was find a formula that could let us see in real time what we'd get depending on the amount of pages we surfed...As we surfed, and more money came in, we see the change immediately...no surprises.

The only problem was the new formula didn't provide incentive for new investments, treating downline investments exactly the same as personal investments.

I believe 10 points for personal investments, and 1 point for downline investments would have worked...

Other than that, the current formula was the best one yet...
Decisions could be made in real time stats and not on speculations or goals...

Had these people just nicely made suggestions, instead of attacking and slandering and hurting everyone, the outcome could have been to the survival of 1heluva's future, but no, they are ###### bent on bringing 1heluva down, and they will probably succeed but in the process, they'll be the big loosers, because a lot of members will be suing them for loss of income....

They've accused Fred of taking their money etc, I never heard any accusations when they took new members moneys as rebates!

Fred and Debbie only take their share of their investment same as we get...
only other they take out are server fees..

I've seen comments from paid2read webmasters that claim well my server fees aren't $4000- so fred's lying..

Hey 1heluva gets 1000 times the traffic they get, uses 1000x the bandwith they do.....and $4000 is right on the money.

I send paid mails that get 3500 clicks each, and say i get 10 mails out a day...
that's 35000 clicks a day......+ any hits from those members referring .....

Common people, 1heluva gets over 1/2 million hits a day just from those surfing, not to mention those referring...

My server fees on a dedicated server are $150 a month..

So 1000 times that is $15,000.
$4000 is cheap considering...

But does anyone rationalize it out, nah, they just make accusations when they don't know what the heck they are talking about.

nice Carole.

I didnt even bother reading the forum they created. especially with half of them being unregistered and thats why i asked 123 for her real name.

why hide?

formula is fair for all. could have been a little different.

but, it did save the program and Fred and Debbie didnt run or close.


also, suspended accounts can be reopened.

the account was not deleted. you're right about that.

anyways. good luck with 1heluva and I still love 1heluva.

LOL,
Me too Caroline, and I still trust Fred and Debbie.
Can't say that for a lot of other webmasters.

Fred and Debbie, have proved over and over that they will be here for the long haul..

Fred made a mistake with bubble bucks, and is putting in $6000 to burst bubbles to revive it..

And rectify his mistake by allowing more than one burst and people taking advantage.

While i do agree Fred's programs are schemes, they are not scams, and Fred takes very little out of them, treats himself the same as any other member when it comes to money.

He does not take any Admin Fees etc...while he is entitled to do that.

What gets me, is those that yell the loudest, knew full well what they got themselves into, and had no objections to taking a profit from other members investments when $500,000 a month was coming in.

Fred can't pay what doesn't come in...the only thing that changed is the formula..

And I'm proud to say, it was my suggestion..
Of course my suggestion consisted of the following:
1. Real time stats, no surprises
2. A fair point system.

While i do not agree with treating personal investments the same as downline investments, Fred did listen and tried to take the suggestion..

My upline was the one who suggested equal accross the board, after much discussion between my upline and myself, and my upline speaks to fred on a daily basis...

So Fred took his formula, not mine....

I do believe Fred see's that it needs to be changed more favorable to the personal investments, but right now with all the negativity etc, it's not the time to approach fred with prospective changes.

Also he'd get accused of changing something once again that he said was final..

So the existing formula makes it harder to encourage new investments (my opinion)

But all this slander added to the past slander and accusations only hurt those in 1heluva..

But i can see their intentions (some of them) have good intentions and only mean to warn people of what they would be getting into and the fact that it's a risk etc..

I have no problem with that.

What i do have a problem with are those calling fred a con-artist, scammer, crook, theif, etc..

We all know fred pays every cent out that comes in..
most to members, and $4000 a month server fees, and 11% credit card fees etc...which varies month to month.

For the longest time, fred absorbed the paypal fees..He didn't have to do that.
Did anyone sing his praises then?

As soon as things slow down, they have to join the attackers, and are cutting their own noses to spite their faces.

Most who are yelling have 0 invested or $5 that was probably invested for them by their uplines.

I know i gave away over $3000 to my downline in $5 or $10 increments and surfing bonus's etc...

So they have nothing to loose, and rather than cancel their accounts and get on with life, they'd rather go off on a vendetta that is going to hurt a lot of people with a lot more to loose than they do.

Like i said, i hope they find it worth it, when it's over, because they can be sued for a lot more than they have invested or have lost with 1heluva.

Any program that pays more than 100% out, has to depend on new money coming in...
If they didn't understand that, they didn't belong in 1heluva to begin with...
If they didn't think they could loose, they are fools...

It's like the surgeon who performs an operation...if the patient survives, he's a great doctor, but if the patient dies even though he tried everything to save the patient, he gets sued and called a quack..

Well in this case, fred's the surgeon being called a quack, because his patient 1heluva is dying...

I fail to see much difference here..

Fred's doing everything in his power, these idiots just can't see it..

1heluva will die eventually, we all know that, and if we don't we're fools, but fred's trying to prolong the longevity, and these idiots are trying to kill it now...

they are using every gorilla tactic they can come up with..................

Well i'm rambling again, so i'm gonna stop before i go off and get insulting and thrown off here...LOL

Take Care,
Carole

wasnt going to post.

but i just want to agree that most of the ones who are bashing have little money invested and 99% of them got this free money from their uplines.

they chose not to surf when they first joined, and we know that half of them didnt promote.

so, if you join up a program which has 3 requirements and only do 1 requirement, you lose. and thats the case with the bashers.

as for the points, i also feel that the investments from each individual should be more than the dl members.

so for example, 7 grand invested in 1 account should get more points than a $5 investment.

so hopefully fred will fix this one.

equal across the board is fair. but investments should be taken into consideration also for the formula.

as for bubbles, i think fred will take care of those $50's in April. at least thats what he posted on the 1h board. he was going to absorb his mistake.

I am a new webmaster
And I love 1Heluva, I hope it will be great as few months before

Caroline,
7 grand does get more than $5 with the current formula
7000 points vs 5 points

but the problem i'm referring to..
is take 7 grand
as it stands, you get 7000 points if you invest $7000
or you'd get the same 7000 points if it came from your downline..

I'd like to see 70,000 points if it were your investment
7000 points if it came from your downline.

That would encourage more investments

Keep in mind there's over 2 million invested already, so 7000 points is a very small CPV based on 2 million points x 5 levels....

as it is now......
just on that one example the CPV (current point value) of investing $7000 new money would be... .0007

7000 points x .0007 = $4.90 return on a $7000 investment and that assumes you surf 3000 pages a month. Keep in mind this example assumes you have the only investment for the month, so it's purely fictitious..but since we have no way of knowing who's going to invest and how much, i'm using it as an example..
of course it would be better, the more money came in...


now i know $49 doesn't sound much better either, but factoring in your points from downline, and total points in system etc it is possible to make more than 50% a month..possibilities are endless.

I just think that part of the formula needs to be changed.

Just look at the top 200....
Last time i looked #5 had only $800 invested but was already at 650%
while others with much bigger investments are at 34% (me) LOL

ok why?
because he has an enourmous invested downline so getting the 1 point for dollar gave him a higher percentage because his invesment is small..

Should he on the other hand have had $8000 invested, his % would be around 65% instead of 650%

THis is what i see wrong with the current formula,
It actually encourages you personally not to invest much but build enourmous invested downline..

To get a higer percentage on your money.

I believe 10 points or more for personal investment and only 1 point for downline investment would be more equal to all of us..

It's still only based on what money comes in, it just changes the way that money gets distributed...and i think more emphasis belongs on the personal investors rather than the downline builders.

And isn't this your main complaint for months, about your UPLINE making the big bucks on your investments.

This current formula will give them even more and you less on your money.
I think it needs to be looked at and i know this is what they were mainly screaming about..

And they are right, it's just the way they go about it that's wrong, starting a forum, calling fred names, trying to close 1heluva etc...

Of course there are those that are screaming because they want a $30 return on their $5 investments because they think that's what was promissed to them....

wow, thanks carole lol

i didnt really understand how the points were divided.

so thanks for the explanation for that point.

i still have 12 accts left after combining 4 of them.

now, i'll see which ones will move my big account up more also.

WIth the current formula invest into your bottom account, which gives you the same points in each account above it...
so say you have 5 accounts stacked, invest into the 5th and all 5 accounts benefit...

Of course this is the flaw i'm speaking of...

But that's the current formula...

If it were the other way around, then i'd advise differently depending on other factors...

Normally we'd put the money into the top accounts, but in this case, it makes more sense to put into the bottom accounts...
since each account gets the same amount of points.

You could factor in your invesments existing in other accounts, but you'll figure it out.

Fortunately i only have 2 accounts now, so i surf both, presently investing into bottom account which has Luis's 2 accounts in between my top account and bottom and Luis is the one who threw my accounts up to 50% way back when so i try to benefit him too...
Just wish he'd surf his maximum pages.......he's only 50% surfed.