I was thinking about making an HYIP program.....if anyone is interested plz pm me.....

Are you wanting to make it "just because"?

Do you have any sort of plans to actually MAKE the percentage that you will offer?

Lets not start making more of these sites just because the scripts are cheap...

I plan on making an HYIP that offers a low % but with low rates like that....i plan on leaving this HYIP program up for a long time.....the higher the % the more likely it is to go bankrupt....thats why i wanna stick wit lower rates but be sure to pay people

Even if you offer 5% per MONTH, my question is, do you know how to earn at least that much per month in the real world?

haha yea.....i have plenty of money in the real world to back me up if necessary......trust me I have funds in case of emergency

yanks26, you don't get what HYIP is do you? It is NOT a ponzi! You must actually use investor's cash to make more than whatever you pay to the investors in the real world!

Having money to back you up has nothing to do with this!

Thanks, no ######, i no this....ive belonged to many HYIP's.....im jus saying i have enough funds to back my site up if people stop investing......i have faith in my sites that they will come alive again.....

Please, dont play me a fool.....i know how HYIP's work and would realy love to start a long term HYIP for a change.....

I am not talking about backup funds.

I am talking about "earning new funds" (and not from upgrade fees).

Do you honestly have enough to "backup fund" as site such as 12Daily, ST or PR?
You would need several million to adequately "backup fund" that size of site.

Donald Trump uses other people's money to MAKE money.

From what I can see, very few (if any) autosurfs MAKE money so therefore, the money they receive from the members (investors), is going to get them deeper and deeper in debt.

That is not what Donald does.

He offers 10% per YEAR (or something like that) to his investors and work the capital to earn more than 10% per year.

If you cannot yield MORE than you offer to pay your members, whatever that percentage is, you are set for failure and owing MANY angry members.

Of course, if that is what your intention was all along, my fault for interfering in the thread.

Rod

Okay, then please enlight us how are you going to make money in the real world? Foreign Exchange? The stock market?

You know what?

A TRUE HYIP could have just ONE INVESTOR investing XX amount and if you are truly 'investing' you make profit and your ONE INVESTOR makes profit.

No other "new members" would ever be necessary.

THAT is what a legitimate HYIP would be (notice how in this scenario, you don't need to keep new money flowing in).

My original question was if anyone wants to help me make one of these programs, no one has really offered any help.....

I know what it takes to keep an HYIP up for a sustained period of time that is why I want to make a low % HYIP up.....

The answer is yes IF you can tell us how are you going to use investor's money to make money in the real world. Obviously you can't.

donald trump also owns casinos so a large cut of his money comes from other peoples losses. those who "invested" under the dreams and illusions and lies of riches to be had.

You don't think our posts are helpful?

They ARE helpful in keeping you out of a massive debt load or possibly in trouble with the law.

It does not matter how "low" you percentage is. If you pay back the member more than they pay in, no matter how long you stretch it out, you need to create NEW MONEY, aka PROFIT, somewhere, somehow.

My suggestion to you is, make THAT plan first before even considering a HYIP.

As I said earlier, if your intention is to simply recycle upgrade money over and over until your site collapses and then you pocket some in the end, my apologies for butting in to this conversation.

Of course, if that is what you are doing, it is illegal in many countries.

That is true but it is STILL a sustainable venture (the house always wins).

You cannot say that about an autosurf site. The only way the "autosurf wins" is the day the autosurf shuts down.

Right?

The internet is cyberspace. No one owns cyberspace although the yanks might try and plant their flag in thin air.Dont start dictating to us.

Yes your comments are helpful, this info is what i needed to know in order to make one of these sites....i wasnt planning on doing it by myself, i was hoping for someone to help me wit it who understands it a lil more....

Honestly?

I would help but you and I both live in the US and I honestly can't think of a legal way to do this...

What do you mean legal? Is it illegal in the Us?

There you go with your "poor me" and "darn those dictator yanks" stuff again.

I have posted hard questions here that no one has been able to answer (not even you GotLucky).

What is wrong with my questions?

I am not saying DON'T OPEN ANOTHER ONE!!!

I am simply asking HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SUSTAIN IT?

Big difference there. You have admitted that you would like to see this industry a little more respectable yet when some of us bring up valid questions, you have to put us down?

So which is it GotLucky?
Do you want to see a more legitimate industry or not?

If you are not a registered investment firm with the SEC, then yes, its illegal....

o wow i had no idea, so how do normal people nowadays come up wit these programs and get away wit it

You are not even a member. Newbies and old timers want to earn on the net. Why dont you monitor scam ptrs to protect newbies? You are an outsider on our programs. We are trying to move ahead, not get stuck arguing about it.

Argumests are best left to attornies in Court. It is called legal arguments or litigatiion.

gotlucky if you cant stand people like me than leave this topic that i started.....no one said you have to stick around and criticize me if you dont like it.....im here to get some of my questions answered and i have learned a few lessons.....(no thanks to you) more thanks to onlooker....

How many people break the speed limit, or drunk drive or jaywalk or not pay taxes?

The law "breakers" vastly outnumber the law "enforcers" and they simply can't catch them all.

And, of course, with the internet, there are things thats going on that may look illegal but the actual "laws in the book" don't have a ruling on yet.

Technology is definitely outpacing the court system ...

Technology should help advance people.which it is, no thanks to the outsiders trying to hold us back.

She is actually argueing with me Yanks

She always does no matter what topic I post in with regards to autosurfers/HYIPs.

I am seriously trying to think of a way to make a legitimate one but, like you, not sure how appealing it would be due to the low percentage that would be offered.

Of course, before I would ever consider it, I would make sure its legal by law (not just because I haven't been caught yet).

Yanks, you do know who this is don't ya?

no i dont, who are you

Anyway I will leave you to your legal arguments, I have far better and much more exciting things to do

There you go again.

I am NOT trying to hold anyone back...JEESH!

I asked a simple question: "How are you going to earn more than you payout?"

Thats it...nothing more...

I noticed how you IGNORED my question to you about if you want the industry to be more legitimate...or if you like it overrun with scams ...

And, for the record, I AM a member of 12DP so therefore, I know HOW they work...apparently, even more than you know.

Rod from ShareAdSpace ...

thanks a lot onlooker for keeping your cool wit me.....i would have lost my temper.....i respect you a lot for the help that you have provided me.....

I dont know who you are....do you know who i am?

I thought you were a program owner I have talked with in the past...

no?

Nope.....i wish i was a program owner.....i have a site but not a site that i can make money off of......

I do not want to run a HYIP, but here is an interesting idea for one, to maybe help keep it sustainable.


EXAMPLE ONLY:
1% - 1.5% daily for 100 days. Earn up to 150% of spends.
This ensures they(investors) atleast make back what they put in.


1.) If you paid 1% every day for 100 days, that would just mean that the member makes back what they put in, right? Total of 100%

2.) If you paid 1% for 50 days and 1.5% for the other 50 days, that would mean that the member makes back what they put in plus 50%, right? Total of 150%


You would need a script that allows you to change daily percentage, I guess.

I think you would also need investments that offer atleast 1.5% daily return to make it work. Or if a program that offers atleast 1% for 150 days or more, that could maybe work. That way you are earning atleast 150%.

Such as Paxmix.net....

Earn atleast 1.98% daily for 150 days for a total profit of 297%.

You would be paying your members for the 100 days and will have earned 198% from Paxmix for those 100 days. If you paid 150% to your members for the 100 days, that's 48% extra earnings after paying members.

PLUS the extra 99% for the other 50 days at Paxmix. Total of 147% net after paying members the 150%. Is that right?


Remember, that was simply an example.


If my idea stinks, sorry. Just trying to help you. My calculations may be a little off as well.

Edited to add:Ooooops, a little wrong it seems. Sorry again.

Slightly off on this one.

1% X 50 days= 50%
1.5% X 50 days= 75%

Total 125%

Or...25% PROFIT over a 100 day period.

That breaks down to just over 7.5% per month.

THAT can be made in the real world markets indefinitely ...

A graduated daily increase...

interesting concept in keeping a member actively surfing

Here's one question: why do most autosurfs offer a 1:1 ratio? Why not offer less so they can resell excess?

hmmmmm

onlooker i sent you a PM.....

You can pay variable rates... Thats the only way you can be sure to never collaps.
And thats in my opinion the way you should do it

My suggestion goes here:
Buy one cheap hyip script ,offer very lucrative return, set heavy advertisements-get listed in all places those virtually support & nourishes HYIPs & thereby scams , post & praises by many names or ask frieds & familly members to do ,keep aside most of the money deposited in your account to a separate ones , pay regularly only very small ammounts requested & little big ones keep pending as usual ,run for only a few days & when your target of ammounts have achieved just vanish as usual for all others.

This is so simple .If not satisfied do something different than HYIP-give profit for work only & if any investment ( you need not ) give them chance to withdraw it anytime automatically without any pending status.

Thanks regards,
fontu

They are create in alittle back office in Panama or some similar country where there are no treaties with the US, UK, Australia etc. So the scammers can scam and not be held accountable. Hence the reason why Studio Traffic is based in Panama apparently




Pretty much what every hyip does, you did forget to add the bit about trading on forex. Of course anyone that knows anything about Forex trading or any other stock market for that matter will realise that true investors dont need to scam a bunch of people to get started.

HYIPs work because people make it work.

It is really hard to sustain a high paying HYIP because it will eventually collapse once the earth runs out of investors.

However, most of the HYIPs shouldn't be collapsing so soon but some of the admins get greedy when they see their accounts reaching like $100000 and decide to take an advanced bonus and close shop prematurely. That's where everybody loses money and the one admin takes it all.

Left to run on its own, I believe a HYIP will almost run indefinately because new people will come if its good and old people will reinvest too and the actual cash outflow would be pretty regulated.

D**M YOU EVIL SITE ADMINS!!!

You actually can trade on Forex to get fast profit on Ppls' investments - there are sites like betonmarkets.com. The only thing - you MUST know stuff about trading to succeed. Otherwise you'll loose everything.