Belle the person that posted that was a search engine owner. She had contact these sites email. Please read back at referyou's post. She stated she told them she would remove them from the list and only if..........

Search engines have a right to ban sites breaking their terms of service. And you know we can get into what ifs all we want but when it comes right down to it how is me having a list of sites I have confirmed information on any different then removing gambling sites, hyips or anything else. It comes down to what a site feels is right for their sites and their members.

Your last two posts concerns me and I am not saying it is just you because I know its the mindset of MANY a member.

The whole "I don't care about the rest of the world. I care only about my own pocketbook" mentality.

Can we all just look beyond ourselves for a moment and realize for EACH little 'cheat' we perform as individuals, in the long run, we still cheat ourselves?

Let me explain: Continue clicking/searching to gain the 1cent today at these sites and I promise you, even THOSE sites will be only paying 1/2cent next year...1/4cent in two years...1/10cent three years from now.

Why? Because all the members who have this mentality IS robbing the PPC advertiser with never an interest in what they are searching for. THOSE advertisers will start bidding less and less for their ad placement because all of these members are like piranha knawing at the last few cents this advertiser has in their budget.

Yes, even at the HONEST sites this happens but not at the level of the demand sites.

It is sad to see that members flock to the demand sites because they know they get 1cent per search. It is sad to see that search portal advertisers FLOCK to these sites as well due to a higher than normal valid search rate.

Keep pillaging these search PPC advertisers. It won't last forever.

Then again, with the average mindset of these members, they don't care. They will simply move on to the next money earner and pillage it as well.



Rod

PS...Here's a thought: Why can't EVERYONE only search when they really are looking for something or a link strikes their interest? The PPC advertiser won't be getting 1,000 worthless searches and payout out 2cents per search ($20). Instead, they may get 20 valid INTERESTED searches and can pay 20cents per click and STILL save money AND the member who does that search would make 10cents for that search instead of the current 1cent.

See the difference? If everyone clicked only when truly interested, searched when only truly interested, ALL OF US could make more money in LESS TIME.

Why is that so complicated for so many to see?

<sigh>

HUH?? Isnt that what this thread is about..Banning sites who do NOT follow it..Doesnt sound like much of an option to me lol.
Never mind..I misread the sentence..I need sleep BADLY lol.

Just so it is clear...I think all search ads are incentivized UNLESS they are unpaid..Period.

I also think they are just a means of milking the advertiser and are a rip off.

I am adding this as I said above that my main problem was the wording and that is not really factual..It is ONE of.

Belle all of those sites were contacted that are on that list. No one came in here and claimed those sites were scammy without proof. They were put on a list by the search engines. It was not something without proof.

No one is trying to hang honest sites out to dry. And if you are referring to Classical he said himself about removing members if they did not do at least one valid search.

He is also not on that list ... But the sites on that list there was proof they were breaking the search engine tos. The search engines banned them from promoting. That was what the original list was.

LOL...I was notified of the infraction and I complied.

Now, if I refused to comply, by all means, ban me, delete me, whatever. I'm sure Google would have done the same.



Rod

Priestes..I honestly was not REFERRING to anyone...I was trying to understand something and asking a question.

I dont know how many ways I can explain,..This is not about YOU..or any other particular site.

I have had the same opinion about search ads since I began to understand how they rip off the advertiser

Thank you

Belle

Sorry Belle but since you quoted my post previously and wrote this:



I kinda thought you WERE referring to me and my site.



Rod

PS...now if you were referring to the general term of you, my apologies. (sorry for drifting off topic).

PPS..back on topic. Belle, the very nature of PPC search portals ENTICES viewers/members to earn for clicking, just like a PTR site does. How can WE as a PTR industry change the rules that THEY (the SE industry) created?

Priestes.

I do not like search ads for all kinds of reasons which I have already explained..

IMO..removing gambling or hyip sites is fine..so is REMOVING search ads.

My issue is with the play on words to make it alright for some to incentivize searches but not for others becasue they SAY that is what they are doing.

AGAIN..I am NOT talking about demands or threats.

If it is for the immorality of anyone who breaks a rule then lets shut down every site who has ever gotten or paid money out of their private paypal..lets shut down anyone who has broken ANY rule for ANYTHING.

WHAT is so special about searches.

Have a good one

Belle

Yes I was referring to the general you and there is absolutely nothing in my post that would make you think otherwise.

IN fact I was very careful to make sure that I said nothing which could be mistrued but I guess I was not careful enough.



However..it is pretty clear that dissenting opinions are not welcome here.

So as I cannot agree..I guess I am supposed to just shut up and we all know the chance of that happening.

Have a good one

Belle

Regarding the part about the search engine rules which WE cannot change..Would that not be a good place to start??
At least to try to make them more easily understood and followed.

The members of this and other forums have sure never shied away from attacking or attempting to change the rules of other sites.Why now ?
Isnt that worth a try.?

Ironically, you just hit the nail on the head in a round about way.

What IS so special about searches?

Nothing....

Why do webmasters keep INSISTING on making them a "special advertisement", meaning "if you click PLEASE (you must...you better) make a valid search"

If we as a group never glorified search portals in the first place, explaining to the member just HOW to make a valid search so WE can profit from them, we wouldn't be having this discussion because members wouldn't be programmed into thinking:

I must make a valid search so I can get paid in the long run.

Unfortunately, we have already opened the Pandora's box so closing it is the challenge we face.

Rod

We are really in trouble now...I agree.

oops I meant there must be something wrong..because ...we agree.

Have a good one

Belle

Belle no one said you were not welcome here or your opinion was not welcome. I may not agree with you but back to what I said earlier I don't have to agree with you. My point here was clear I thought.

Searches are not special. That is exactly the whole issue here. Some sites have turned them into just that. They should not be.

Hey Priestes, you wouldn't happen to see that Pandora's Box Key lying around anywhere, do you?

I will try and stomp on the box lid to close it but you will need to turn the key and lock it.



Rod

You can't please all the people all of the time. Everybody has to do what they think is best.

It's easy to poke holes in any plan or idea if you work at it hard enough.

Don't spend too much energy arguing with people who criticize your ideas and plans unless they can come up with better ones.

Cheers,

Wil

Rod to late lost the key... Notice to all if key is found please return to lost and found

If I would not like do valid , I won't select interest at search

I said I wasnt going to post anymore in this thread for my own reasons but I just want to clear up your first sentence, the topic is expose the bad sites which in my eyes means make people aware of what these sites are doing.
I posted and queried about classical mails not once did I say they were forcing I simply queried something I didnt understand and in future believe me I will let any site do any dodgy dealing they want to and will keep quiet, I very nearly deleted myself from this forum the other night because I asked a simple question about everyones favourite site. I know that others know exactly what I mean if they experienced it and I wont say anymore on the subject, but now I am the bad guy and the nastiness I have to endure because of this is not worth it. I asked for the thread to be closed it was refused so I choose now not to post on this forum apart from things I feel are necessary for me, which isnt much. And this post probably wont be read properly same as my others werent.

Strolly,

I think many many of us have experienced that, unfortunately it's how a forum goes when controversial topics are started, I for one am thankful you started this thread as I read many different point of views and learned stuff I didn't know.
It's always interesting to see the various opinions and then, being better informed, one can decide for oneself what they decide to do in the future ...

This forum is made to allow members to exchange informations, and that was allowed thanks to this thread ... now, I agree it is sad that it always has to turn more personally when people can't accept that others don't share their point of view, play victims if not everyone agrees with them or call other people names if they think that they know better what is right and what is wrong and allow themselves to play judge ... but if you read this thread again paying attention to it, you'll see that even if those who spoil it for the others are often the most vocal, they also are a minority.

Please if you felt offended or so by someone's post, feel free to PM a moderator and they will look into it for you ...

Sophieca
administrator

I think that ptr program owners on an individual basis, might have an easier time of this search issue, if they'd all just contact the feeds and Ask Them.

If you want to know if kanoodle condones your sending cash paid traffic to search portal pages that kanoodle is feeding results to, email kanoodle and ask them if they condone your actions or not. Same goes for goclick, enhance, epilot, search123, and the rest.
It seems quite simple really.

Of course, there are those that maintain the feeds hide it from their advertisers, so you're still left with That gray area to make decisions for others, aka the feeds advertisers, but you would at least be One step Closer to the truth, whatever it turns out to Be.

Even Members can do this, for their Own concience, which Seems to be one of the controversy generating problems here, no one is Sure if what they are doing is 'wrong' or Not. They are Left to Decide which of the two 'sides' of those here in gpf is 'correct', as to whether Their Clicks on feeds advertisers bids, are Wanted, or Not. Seems really silly actually, in light of the time it takes to write and email, and Ask.

MO.

Somehow you are right but how can one know what feeds are used by the search engine they send ads for ?

Also, many search engines use various feeds, normally the search engine owners have checked with their feeds what is allowed or not or they would risk losing their account anyway but if you as member or PO want to double check ... who are you going to ask, not every search engine uses Kanoodle or those you mentioned above, what if some reply yes is ok, others say no it's not or they reply yes but ...... when you search, you never know in advance a result from what feed will come up ... so you still end up not knowing if what you do is ok or not as you don't know if the result comes from a feed accepting it or not.

It's even so with advertisers using those feeds and search engines to promote, many know very well the kind of traffic they'll have and choose to continue advertising with those tools, others obviously don't know or didn't check what kind of traffic they would have ... how do you know if you'll click a result from an advertiser who wants your traffic or not ?

Therefore, imho, it's very difficult to have all the right numbers and replies, even more so because it is a market with a lot of competition and for those obvious reasons, not many people like to divulgue their feeds/advertisers etc ...

Threads like this helps everyone making decisions about what they can or cannot do, further than that, judging all this is .... a real headache

Off topic a bit. I wrote several search engines asking why I was constantly getting redirected to google (which I am not on all se's but a few lately) I waited patiently for an answer, explained when I wrote I was in the US, and there shouldn't be any reason my ip was blocked. Well the nice intelligent responses I got back from several was, "If you are being redirected to google your ips is blocked." Well duh!!!!!! I know that it is I still was not told why. Guess it is a big secret with the several I wrote to why my ip was blocked and they aren't going to tell me or they themselves don't know why.

MO I brought this up cause here is an example of the type of answers I get when I write the se's or anything to do with se's if I get an answer at all. Not to say all but many.

I am not sure what you took from my email to be about you strolly but it definitely wasnt meant to stop you from posting.

I replied to Rod and then added that I had misunderstood his sentence.

I apologize if you either thought it was to you..or that you felt in some way that it made you out to be the bad guy.

I dont think there are any bad guys..Just different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that.

Have a good one

Belle

Is this in relation to incentivised visits to portal pages, incentivised searches, forced searches, deleting for not completing valid searches?



I don't think you need to write to anyone to find that out. Do you intend to buy the item you searched for online if you find the right deal? Did it take 30,000 result clicks to find it? Did you click on the result because it was the one that most closely matched your needs or because it was in the top 3 results? How did you choose what to search for - you need a new printer or you closed your eyes, circled your mouse on the pad and clicked on the count of 5?

Sigh....

The arguement that some feel pressured to search (and thus making all searches incentive based)because the advertiser won't come back is a tad odd to me.

If i send a SAS link out and 1 out of 100 let it load and I get credit for it.. I Won't be back.
If I send out ads to the last 10 new ptrs and don't get 1 ref, I wont' be back.
If I advertise my affilaite program over and over and get no results, I won't be back.
If i advertise my products and get no sales, I won't be back.

WHY would it surprise anyone that ifpeople advertising their portals don't get results, they won't come back?

It's all the same thing...results. PERIOD.

Search engine rules are simple, anything that makes a member feel pressured to search.. threats (direct or indirect), incentive, begging, and the one that's being so hard fought over in this thread... punishment as a result of not searching, are UNACCEPTABLE.

A PO that unchecks the search option for you, is punishing you for not searching.
A PO that tells people this is what happens if you don't search is threatening.

Neither is acceptable!!!!! Either, by themselves, is enough for me to ban a site.

Yes, this is another 'approach' that could be taken.
Basically, the idea here, is that a number of 2nd tier ppc advertisers, would signup to search ptr sites.
Then we'd do 'valids', landing us on the advertisers page.
Then we'd scan the page for the contact link.
Then we'd contact the advertiser, with a basic form letter, advising them as to how we found their page.

Each of us should easily be able to reach a very minimum of 1 advertiser, per 5 minutes, that's 12 per hr.
If there are 10 of us working this project, putting just 2 hrs per day into the project, we should be able to reach a total of 240 advertisers per day, or appx 7,000 in a dedicated one month effort.

This 'campaign', with the form letter serving the 2ndary mvr of 'list-building', be it in the form of a signup to our 'newsletter', or a signup to a newly created 'fight click fraud' private forum, should reap some nice initial benefits I'd think.

*There would need to be a bit of 'structure' to the overall campaign, pretty basic stuff really:
-Each 'initial contact person', would simply dump the url of eaeh contact into a text file, and daily forward the file to the 'manager'.
-The manager, could than daily organize all the links from all the workers, and post them for all, so they can update their contact lists, to prevent multiple-contacts, to the same advertisers. This would cut the 'spam-factor', and still be quite doable.
We'd tick off a small handful, but a carefully written 'disclaimer' should cover our butts easily, there are plenty of law firms that advertise on-line, getting one of them to help 'proof-read' our texts should be a matter of 'glad to help', I'm reasonably assured of.
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The 'Counter-Campaign', to this, would simply be the ptr PO's Doing the 'anti-Christ' of Same, Their texts consisting of, 'do you value our traffic, or do you perfer we stop sending it to you, and leave you at the Sole Mercy of the feeds Bots'.
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I actually Do think, I'll, having now proven to myself how Simple this really Is, make some effort at least Myself, and for once and for all, get a Straight Answer to the ptr traffic question from the Horses Mouth, the ppc and advertising forums are so infested with 'plants' from the feeds, it's hard to know if your talking to a ppc Advertiser, or a ppc Employee.

I am a member of Classical Mails, and read all of the mails there. I have never felt forced, in any way, to do a search!!!!! I have removed myself from many sites because of this issue at hand, and always posted about it here!
If ever I posted that a site was great and later found out different, I returned to retract my statement.
My stand with Classical is that I have been a member for about 6 months now, and have always been paid, have always received the same amount of mail, and am happy with the way they treat their members!!!

It was simply only a reply to the post I had quoted.




I don't exactly understand the relation between the quote and the questions asked, so I don't really have an answer, am sorry.

I think this thread is very confusing.....

Are all the searchmails violating searchengines TOS??

If so, how can PTR like the Gain company survive for
only sending out searches??

Can someone explain this in plain english

Sorry, if i sound stupid but this is to much techy for me.

this is directed at sites that tell you if you don't search you'll be deleted, or they just quit sending you emails because you are not making them money. it's supposed to be YOUR option whether you do a "valid" search or not, NOT theirs. some programs (like the gain programs), just dry up your emails if you don't do what they feel you "should"....

this probably isn't the "best" explanation, but it's the jist of it.

Thank!!

That cleared up things a bit.

So, shall we report them to the SE?
(and get rid of a good earner)
Or??

Would also like ask about this Ptr site im a member of which sends out "daily searches" ??
We are supposed to search to get paid at all, and since tr?here are few or none other mail its the only way to earn something at all.
Do they violate the SE's Tos??
We get 0.0050 of a 0.02 search.

Use to be a good site once.

in plain English!

There are Two Groups of Advertisers Here!
1- There are the 'PTR Advertisers'. k ? k.
2- There are the 'PPC Advertisers'. k ? k.

The PPC Advertisers, Consider ptr Traffic Garbage.

The PPC Advertisers, Spend their money at a Handful of Companies, known as 'Feeds or Feed Providers'.
These 'feeds' pass their advertisers bids on keywords, On to the small search engines we see at ptr sites.

The PPC Advertisers, don't give a rats rear, whether the ptr advertiser is violating the tos of the small search engines, or Not. They just Don't Want the ptr Traffic.

In THIS thread, they are discussing 'forced search ptr sites'. These ptr sites, cut off the number of paid links you get, if you don't do searches to make money for them.
The reason the fraud continues, is because the feeds Want the Traffic, it makes money for them.

hope that helps.
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anyone want to take a stab at how Many Thousands of blind directory clicks to valids these 15 forced search sites Generated since this thread started??? Thought Not.

PTR Traffic, to the ppc Advertiser, is Garbage.

MO.

see, really, the Question isn't Useful.

Which SE ? The ones that would ban forced-search ptr sites, or the ones that Welcome a Valid, regardless of How they Get It ?

That, Needs to be answered first, you can't just lump them all together, it doesn't Work that way. Some 3rd tier se's, try to not violate the tos of the feeds. Which, btw, with regards to ptr traffic, is Impossible, as there IS NO Tos on the issue, it would be Suicide for a feed to mention ptr on their website, if That tells anyone Here anything...

MO.

now here's an interesting aspect of the whole deal.

That's probably a reasonable reflection of the 'share' the ptr clicker is getting.
That 0.02 is about What the 3rd tier is getting of our 0.10 bids, on average they get about 1/5th of our bids, from what I can tell.

so, when you get your 0.005, it's Costing US appx 20 Times That, for you to earn a Measly, Crumby, Miserable, Pathetic 1/2 Cent to kill our 10 cent bid.

I think this is yet Another 'reason', that so many in ptr see the whole of the thing as 'ok'. They don't 'see', the kind of Money that is being squandered here, they only 'see' evidence, of a small Fraction of the total loses ppc Advertisers take.

the 3rd tier ptr advertiser, is getting only about 1 Cent of my 5 Cent Bids on goclick, and Literally Operating at a LOSS, rofl, while Assuring I Too will be doing Same, lol. The Only Winner Here, is, Ironically, Enhance, in this case, as it is Enhance, that is passing the ptr traffic on to the goclick advertisers, not goclick themselves, they actually are pretty clean. And with Both companies now Owned by the same Parent Company, well, it's likely to Stay that way, lol.

But it's interesting, to crunch the numbers a bit, and just take a hard look, at how Even the ptr biz, And the 3rd tier, the 'enablers', if you will, are they Themselves being virtually Shafted outta the Real Candy up for grabs here.

sorry for all the off-topic rants, I didn't deem the thread as being overly productive in doing any harm to the forced search sites anyways, so just taking the opportunity to rant a bit.

MO.

And your rants you deem productive ? Again my stance is if one does not take small steps to change things, change won't happen, but ranting on something like you do will not change anything either.

MO
what does this mean

Get up to 1,000 visitors to your site for only $10!

You will get paid $7 for each new advertiser you refer from your Web site who signs up and funds a new goClick.com account.

Regards
suresh

well it means:

The minimum bid on goclick is 1 cent per click.
So, 0.01 X 1,000 = $10.00
So, they say 'get up to 1,000' as that's the Maximum number of visitors one could hope for, by bidding the Minimum of 1 cent per click.
Note: bidding 1 cent on just about Any keyword on goclick, won't net much traffic. GoClick doesn't have much traffic of their own, as they tend to shy away from the ptr traffic, so you need to bid High Enough, (usually 5 to 7 cents a click), to get 'passed' to their partners, aka the rest of the 2nd tier.
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Now, on the other part, like ptr sites pay you a piddlings for each referral you get, GoClick Pays you for Reffering Other Advertisers to GoClick. So that's where the '$7 for each new advertiser you refer'.
We can put a signup link, (it's a ref link like thingy), on our sites, in the hopes that Other Advertisers will signup to goclick, and Fund their accounts, at which point we get Credited to our accounts the 7 bucks in free advertising funds.

hope that makes some sence, or cents or something, lol.

MO.

Well I suppose it depends on what you define as MO's mvrs here.
If we define 'education' as one of the mvrs of MO's rants, then I'd say yes, there is a measureable degree of productivity present in their aftermath.
If we look at the broader picture, bearing in mind the potential target-market of ppc advertisers and at least a Few of the feeds lurking this forum, then yes, I'd say again there is likely a degree of productivity to MO's rants.
and then of course there's keyword saturation to bait google, ohhhh this stuffy is so complecated isn't it... hummm, now if I could Just get More Peeps using the click fraud phrase thingy here...

Well if those who wish to ban sites who are pushing searches..........heres another one.

The bolded part is I suppose another nefarious way to say....search or else.

just popping in to sit on my hands for a while

well, my hands are Numb from being sat on now, lol, so it should be safe for me to 'comment'.

ummm, ptrhost, I cannot ban this site from being advertised at my ptr, as I don't own a ptr, lol, but I'd just observe that any ptr po that Would ban such a site, would need to Know which site you got this gem from...

MO.

thanks MO

just say 800 visitors per $10 leaving $2 profit to goclick

think i am advertsing $50 per camera then most of people will sell more price
so i am selling lowest price

when a person searches in goclick about cameras he will see the price also but my site will be listed down according to bid in goclick
anyway the person wants to his meet according his money or his wishes then why he wont visit my site
instead of visiting the top one advertiser and then leaving the remaining means what you say does he is interested in that search or not

why dont goclick advertisers promote search boxes instead of portals

does portals give good result than search box

could you explain about this type of searches

when i search in google i will search untill the result will find it out

and if a person searches 10 times does they are valid searches or invalid to the PTR advertiser

Regards
suresh

Well, I'll Try and answer some of this, if I can.

First, Yep! You got it Right on NOT landing your listing #1 on page 1.
Whatever Fraudulant Traffic there Is, at Any ppc engine, the #1 Listing Allways gets Hit the Hardest! You got it right.
I usually try and stay # 3 to # 5 if I can. That gives the blind clickers to the top bidders, Not MO, lol, and I'm Still high enough for those 'scanning' for a result they are interested in, to find me quickly.

I think the most Important thing, is choice of keywords:
I try and Avoid Single-word terms.
Camera
Digital Camera
Sony Digital Camera

The longer the better, as it keeps you Off of the ptr run portal pages.
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Now:

ummm, I didn't know they Did Promote Either ???
You can search on the goclick website. that provides you with Both the search box, And their 'portal' or 'directory'.
But no one can 'promote' that page. GoClick, like All 2nd tiers, relies on 'partners' to provide the traffic, other than the 'direct traffic' that comes from searches done at their homepage.

You can Right Now, go to enhance.com, Or 7search.com, Both are competitors of goclick, and find MY GoClick Bids listed in Their results pages, if you know my Keywords to search for.
This is because goclick has 'partnered' with enhance, (as both are owned by the same parent company, lol), and then enhance, in turn, has partnered up with 7search. Count on it, that 7search, has Also partnered up with still Other 2nd tiers, so if you bid Over 5 to 7 cents per click at Any of them, you wind up listed on Most of them, lol.

Then they ALL, partner with the Zillions of small search engines, and any other means of traffic they can come up with.

Two of the Best sources of 'quality traffic', I'm aware of goclick having access to, is coming in via enhance, who has the deal with Both dogpile, and webcrawler.
there Also is a Ton of ptr traffic. I think goclick is pretty clean, but see they pick it up from the partnering accross the rest of the 2nd tier.

I DO Agree with you, that a Search Box, is a Far Better Tool, with regards to 'traffic quality', for them all to use, but they have little control over the many small engines, and Most use portal pages, with the directory of keywords on them. This is a Must in the ptr biz, lol, as they make it easy for the blind clickers to just click on a keyword to start the 'valid'.

But you Don't 'promote' the goclick search box Or directory page. GoClick isn't a 'search engine', they are a 'feed provider', allbeit a small one.
-you can refer advertisers to goclick.
-you can 'partner' with goclick, but would Need your Own Search Engine to do so, you don't promote Theirs, that's not how it works, or at least I'm not aware of them providing that service.

If I understand what you are saying here, the Answer is that they are Invalid!
GoClick doesn't fool around about that actually. I have one small campaign running, that Tracks my hits/uniques For Me, and I'm getting about 6 Times the clicks, than what goclick is Billing me for! GoClick is rolling Back Clicks Constantly. I don't know why, as the tracking doesn't give me ip/domain details, but goclick is only taking about 1/6th the total clicks from my budget. So, something about the clicks doesn't satisfy them.

On Other campaigns I tracked Myself, when I got hit hard with ptr traffic, they also rolled back the clicks again, so My Stats might say I got 12 hits, but my GoClick account, only says I've been Billed for 4. it's fine with me.
* Even with them doing That for us, ptr traffic will Still Kill you, if you don't take some precautions of avoiding most of the bad clicks, via # positioning, and multiple keyword phrases, that are not on the ptr se directories.

Hope that's some help.

MO. sorry all, if we're offtopic...

It doesn't say what the 'or else' is does it...

I doubt anyone will ban this site though if they dont know which site it is.

I personally feel they are going too far, I thought you could pay people to visit the portal but not pay them to do a search?





I wonder how the people who pay for an ad for a ptr and 900 click but only 3 join feel? What kind of bashing from the po do you get if you are one of the offenders there?



Who says they 'have' to? The search engine could put that on top of the results page if it was their rule, but they are promising their advertisers non-incentivised visits.

If the results are nothing like I was hoping for why 'should' I take the bid money from the advertiser so that the money trickles down even when I wont have any intention of 'supporting' the advertiser?

What about when you, as an advertiser placing bids at a search engine, get 941 clicks but only 201 are technically not incentivized?

i thank these sites would give you more than 50% vaild clicks,but average under 3c

Hi,

The following is in regards to: www.gladcash.com

I'm not sure if this site is included in this thread, sorry I didn't read it all.

This program also has the "club" for searchers and if you join you must do ALL the searches or be deleted. The following are some of the searches they send out:

http://www.qualitysearch.info
http://www.platinumsearch.info
http://www.beachsearch.info
http://www.search-faster.net

I received the following email after I reached payout and was paid:

babystreasures,

Paid! Please support our advertiser and do valid search for every search ad!

If you dont make valid search ,You will be deleted .

Thanks for your support again!

If you have any problems, please don't delay to contact us, we will always be
glad to help.

Have a nice day!

Sincerely,

Peter

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How to make a valid search?

Step 1. Click a keyword link on search portal when you read paid mail.
(Search portal will shown when you click paid mail link)
Step 2. Click a search result link and waiting for it load ,when search result
page load.

After do these, then you have do a valid search!
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The following email is regarding their searches club:

At present, we have sent out more than 800x1C SOLO emails to our Super Searchers.and the 1C paid mail will be more and more in future.

So are you an active searcher?and if you want to earn more?

Why you are still not one of our SS?!
Join them! See details here!

http://www.gladcash.com/pages/ss.php

Notice: please do valid search for every ad for your Super Search Membership.If you don't,you will be deleted or been put in "dishonest membership".

If you have any problems, please don't delay to contact us, we will always be glad to help.

thanks for your time!

Sincerely,

Peter

It never ceases to amaze me at how far these programs will go. I have just about given up as it seems the members don't feel they are wrong supporting programs breaking terms of service as long as they earn. I will continue my stuff privately but it seems no one wants change but a few and if you try to point out a program that is doing the above mentioned you are now a bad person. Thank you for posting this baby as it seems that at least a few people do care that there is a problem.

Sorry to dig up an old thread but it seems we have another blantant site forcing searches.

http://runmailman-run.com

From the sites frontpage:
Site support searches is mandatory by all members; it is a term of your membership with this company.

From their tos page:

1.Site support searches is mandatory by all members . It is a term of your membership with this company.

Got to love this on her front page:
No sob story emails to my members (NO pan handling )
No just forcing you to search

RMMR has two sister sites: Jupiter-Mails and Superior mails. I cannot find any indication on her other two sites that they are forcing searches and would like confirmation on this but RunMailman Run is officially banned on my sites.

Runmailman-run owner is the one who zeroed the member balances when she took over Jupiter mails?

Not sure don't know much about any of the sites. But she is stating clearly that searches are to be done to be a member. That is a definate breaking search engine tos I would think. I was hoping some others could give some feedback on the sites.