Everyday I am receiving an admin email from this site asking me to become a super searcher. There are a lot more sites doing the same asking people to become super or elite searchers and agree to do valid searches and if not they agree to be deleted. Isnt it time we fought back against these sites and exposed them before people start getting deleted.
Copy of admin
Super Searcher: Upgraded for free, receive search ads value 1/2c, 1c, 2c,
details:
If you are an active searcher and do lots of valid search clicks daily, perhaps you are qualified to be Super Searcher (simple as SS below).
SS members will have an additional earnings except from the emails sent daily, SS will receive BIG value emails, usually in 1c and 2c, and the minimum payout is only $1.00.
Terms and conditions to be SS:
you must be active searcher and do lots of valid search daily
apply to be SS member and make valid search clicks for the SS emails with all your heart
you can't use a proxy IP
you have to agree that I have the right either to remove your account back to free member or delete your account if you don't do any valid searches after you are confirmed to be SS member
its very easy to know who do valid searches from the IPs displayed in the click report details of search engines
If you are interested in SS, just feel free to contact me to apply, it should include your username and IP address. you will receive high value emails once you are confirmed to be SS.
I am not a super searcher because its not right to go against search engine terms and reason why I havent quit this site is because I did a referal exchange with someone.
Full Version: Forced searches, threatened with deletion
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This site has already been banned by a number of search engines. Maybe it's time to name and shame the engines that don't ban and are still advertised there.
well i reported honest mails (which should really be named DISHONESTmails) and i got my payout taken away AND banned......pppfftt to them. I will admit that quite a few "said" they were banning them....don't know if they did or not, but there were a few that didn't care....wish i had kept their names now!!!
I'm disgusted by this practice. 
I report every ad and site I find that incentivises searches. It's pure click fraud and theft. Members do all their searches for these frauds and just click for the honest sites that don't force searches because they don't have any valid searches left. This means honest sites lose advertisers, have to lower ad prices and thus link values, members don't earn what they should, so members leave, honest site folds.
I report every ad and site I find that incentivises searches. It's pure click fraud and theft. Members do all their searches for these frauds and just click for the honest sites that don't force searches because they don't have any valid searches left. This means honest sites lose advertisers, have to lower ad prices and thus link values, members don't earn what they should, so members leave, honest site folds.
I am actually appalled that sites are doing this and it is not a few of them that are doing it. I have set up polls and sent out to my members to discuss banning these sites from advertising on my sites. Although my sites are not large I feel that sites like this are hurting all honest members, search engines and sites. I think it is time to try and put a stop to this kind of behavior some feel is acceptable when it is not.... Just my 2? worth.
the "name and shame" thing might be one of the few resources left.
I know that when I contacted some of these sites, this one in particular, the response emails were....interesting uses of the english language and interesting suggestions as to how I should spend my time.
Needless to say... Banned
I know that when I contacted some of these sites, this one in particular, the response emails were....interesting uses of the english language and interesting suggestions as to how I should spend my time.
Needless to say... Banned
Then, naming and shaming must and should definitely be done. If it's the po's of these sites, pushing searches, potentially costing their advertiser's accounts regardless of what the search engines are saying, they're doing more harm than good.
I'm less inclined to consider even some of these advertisers, however. Many of them have taken advantage, and pushed to limits themselves.
I'm less inclined to consider even some of these advertisers, however. Many of them have taken advantage, and pushed to limits themselves.
So do we name and shame the ptr site or the search engine? If we name and shame the ptr site it should only be with evidence like the admin email, not just naming any ptr site willy nilly because we dont like the site.
I'll help you out, here are the sites I've banned based on PROOF that they are forcing searches, have secret groups that get more or higher paid emails or are giving direct incentives.
Some have given me the "I've changed" whine but I told them to contact me in 3 months and I'd review their practices.
Any site I stumble across from a post on here or from an emailed complaint, I investigate completely. Those that are plastered on the front page are easy to spot, others I've had to join to get the "special status".
I won't speak for other engine owners but I do know these are on quite a few lists of banned istes.
One of the common responses I get is...."So what LOTS of other engines out there and they like getting lots of valids" I'd say sname and shame the engines and let them defend why they are still allowing these kinds of practices.
searchingcents.com
seekingpays.com
avantmails.com
softemails.com
golfmails.com
www.honestmails.com
thegoldclick.com
ads-wow.com
daydayupemails.com
Some have given me the "I've changed" whine but I told them to contact me in 3 months and I'd review their practices.
Any site I stumble across from a post on here or from an emailed complaint, I investigate completely. Those that are plastered on the front page are easy to spot, others I've had to join to get the "special status".
I won't speak for other engine owners but I do know these are on quite a few lists of banned istes.
One of the common responses I get is...."So what LOTS of other engines out there and they like getting lots of valids" I'd say sname and shame the engines and let them defend why they are still allowing these kinds of practices.
searchingcents.com
seekingpays.com
avantmails.com
softemails.com
golfmails.com
www.honestmails.com
thegoldclick.com
ads-wow.com
daydayupemails.com
QUOTE(pittr @ Sep 1 2005, 08:10 PM)
I'll help you out, here are the sites I've banned based on PROOF that they are forcing searches, have secret groups that get more or higher paid emails or are giving direct incentives.
Some have given me the "I've changed" whine but I told them to contact me in 3 months and I'd review their practices.
Any site I stumble across from a post on here or from an emailed complaint, I investigate completely. Those that are plastered on the front page are easy to spot, others I've had to join to get the "special status".
I won't speak for other engine owners but I do know these are on quite a few lists of banned istes.
One of the common responses I get is...."So what LOTS of other engines out there and they like getting lots of valids" I'd say sname and shame the engines and let them defend why they are still allowing these kinds of practices.
searchingcents.com
seekingpays.com
avantmails.com
softemails.com
golfmails.com
www.honestmails.com
thegoldclick.com
ads-wow.com
daydayupemails.com
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Some have given me the "I've changed" whine but I told them to contact me in 3 months and I'd review their practices.
Any site I stumble across from a post on here or from an emailed complaint, I investigate completely. Those that are plastered on the front page are easy to spot, others I've had to join to get the "special status".
I won't speak for other engine owners but I do know these are on quite a few lists of banned istes.
One of the common responses I get is...."So what LOTS of other engines out there and they like getting lots of valids" I'd say sname and shame the engines and let them defend why they are still allowing these kinds of practices.
searchingcents.com
seekingpays.com
avantmails.com
softemails.com
golfmails.com
www.honestmails.com
thegoldclick.com
ads-wow.com
daydayupemails.com
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GREAT for you!!! I'm surprised PetroMails isn't on your list.....his emails were VERY blunt about forcing you or deleting you. and i laugh because now if you come to this forum and post in the praises section you get preferential treatment and will get random payouts.....so noticed a huge increase in the praises column.
I think all the gain sites should be added. If you dont do the search, they dont send the mails. I have tested this over and over. Its not a mass-mailer issue as they say.
Well I'm glad someone is finally naming them as it's important to make the names of these PTRs public so that we make sure not to join these sites. Eventually if they don't have enough members, then they won't have advertisers flocking to them.
Thanks for the list, pittr. I'm not a member of any of those sites and I shan't be joining any of them.
Thanks for the list, pittr. I'm not a member of any of those sites and I shan't be joining any of them.
ok folks...I can't find em all lol
As I've said b4 IF i stumble across something on here or IF someone emails a complaint, then I investigate.
(i do not ban on a "i think Ses should ban X site they force searches")
As I've said b4 IF i stumble across something on here or IF someone emails a complaint, then I investigate.
(i do not ban on a "i think Ses should ban X site they force searches")
My hubby bleongs to one of those sites mentioned above.
He went to redeem for his payout one day last week
and was told he can't be paid because there were no valid
searches from his IP addy. We were both furious.
We both own PTRs and have NEVER asked our member to make
valid searches. The only terms we have about searches is that
IF they do have that keyword selected, they must be from a
Search country.
Anyway....
After he sent an email to the Admin stating that he indeed
does valid searches at all PTRs he belongs to, he received a
reply with an apology. The WM had simply mistaken him with
another member.
INCREDIBLE!
He went to redeem for his payout one day last week
and was told he can't be paid because there were no valid
searches from his IP addy. We were both furious.
We both own PTRs and have NEVER asked our member to make
valid searches. The only terms we have about searches is that
IF they do have that keyword selected, they must be from a
Search country.
Anyway....
After he sent an email to the Admin stating that he indeed
does valid searches at all PTRs he belongs to, he received a
reply with an apology. The WM had simply mistaken him with
another member.
INCREDIBLE!
Hi,
I never force my members to search, BUT i do find myself editting members ads, I have removed "you will be deleted if you do not search" so many times.
Justin
I never force my members to search, BUT i do find myself editting members ads, I have removed "you will be deleted if you do not search" so many times.
Justin
51 Searcher
Sunshine
TulipPtr
Treescape
SeekingPays
EyeMail
These are all banned ptr's from another search engine I'm a member of.......all for incentivizing searches (search groups)
Lisa
Sunshine
TulipPtr
Treescape
SeekingPays
EyeMail
These are all banned ptr's from another search engine I'm a member of.......all for incentivizing searches (search groups)
Lisa
QUOTE(lisayi @ Sep 1 2005, 08:36 PM)
51 Searcher
Sunshine
TulipPtr
Treescape
SeekingPays
EyeMail
These are all banned ptr's from another search engine I'm a member of.......all for incentivizing searches (search groups)
Lisa
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Sunshine
TulipPtr
Treescape
SeekingPays
EyeMail
These are all banned ptr's from another search engine I'm a member of.......all for incentivizing searches (search groups)
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I was just popping in to say Sunshine but I see it on your list Lisa.
Sunshine has it on the members page as soon as you login.
Edited to ad: StarsandStripesemails.biz, when I was a member a few months back, incentivized searches.
A bit off topic but pittr or any other SE owner could you answer this possibly for me. What is with the SE's redirecting searches to google lately? I have had a lot of these and it gets to where I don't want to even search when I am constantly being redirected to google. If I want to search at google I don't need to be redirected 
Forward emails, screenshots...whatever proof to the owners of the search engines...or if you aren't concerned with the reprecussions, post them here.
Banning a site without proof is as irresponsible as not banning one with proof.
Google could be the redirect page an engine uses when your IP is from an unacceptable search country, a proxy IP or an IP that has been previously been used for some type of abuse. If that is happening to you, and you feel it is unwarranted,contact the engine to find out why.
Banning a site without proof is as irresponsible as not banning one with proof.
Google could be the redirect page an engine uses when your IP is from an unacceptable search country, a proxy IP or an IP that has been previously been used for some type of abuse. If that is happening to you, and you feel it is unwarranted,contact the engine to find out why.
QUOTE(strolly @ Sep 2 2005, 02:30 AM)
Everyday I am receiving an admin email from this site asking me to become a super searcher. There are a lot more sites doing the same asking people to become super or elite searchers and agree to do valid searches and if not they agree to be deleted. Isnt it time we fought back against these sites and exposed them before people start getting deleted.
Copy of admin
Super Searcher: Upgraded for free, receive search ads value 1/2c, 1c, 2c,
details:
If you are an active searcher and do lots of valid search clicks daily, perhaps you are qualified to be Super Searcher (simple as SS below).
SS members will have an additional earnings except from the emails sent daily, SS will receive BIG value emails, usually in 1c and 2c, and the minimum payout is only $1.00.
Terms and conditions to be SS:
you must be active searcher and do lots of valid search daily
apply to be SS member and make valid search clicks for the SS emails with all your heart
you can't use a proxy IP
you have to agree that I have the right either to remove your account back to free member or delete your account if you don't do any valid searches after you are confirmed to be SS member
its very easy to know who do valid searches from the IPs displayed in the click report details of search engines
If you are interested in SS, just feel free to contact me to apply, it should include your username and IP address. you will receive high value emails once you are confirmed to be SS.
I am not a super searcher because its not right to go against search engine terms and reason why I havent quit this site is because I did a referal exchange with someone.
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Copy of admin
Super Searcher: Upgraded for free, receive search ads value 1/2c, 1c, 2c,
details:
If you are an active searcher and do lots of valid search clicks daily, perhaps you are qualified to be Super Searcher (simple as SS below).
SS members will have an additional earnings except from the emails sent daily, SS will receive BIG value emails, usually in 1c and 2c, and the minimum payout is only $1.00.
Terms and conditions to be SS:
you must be active searcher and do lots of valid search daily
apply to be SS member and make valid search clicks for the SS emails with all your heart
you can't use a proxy IP
you have to agree that I have the right either to remove your account back to free member or delete your account if you don't do any valid searches after you are confirmed to be SS member
its very easy to know who do valid searches from the IPs displayed in the click report details of search engines
If you are interested in SS, just feel free to contact me to apply, it should include your username and IP address. you will receive high value emails once you are confirmed to be SS.
I am not a super searcher because its not right to go against search engine terms and reason why I havent quit this site is because I did a referal exchange with someone.
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Strolly,
The best options are :
First report that site to the search engine
If they don't ban it, comply to the feed provider of that SearchEngines, pretty sure that THEY will ban it.
If not, the hardest part, try to find the original FeedCompany, where the advertisers bid on words, they will for sure don't appreciate that practive
Cheers,
Gray Eminence
QUOTE(pittr @ Sep 1 2005, 07:32 PM)
Forward emails, screenshots...whatever proof to the owners of the search engines...or if you aren't concerned with the reprecussions, post them here.
Banning a site without proof is as irresponsible as not banning one with proof.
Google could be the redirect page an engine uses when your IP is from an unacceptable search country, a proxy IP or an IP that has been previously been used for some type of abuse. If that is happening to you, and you feel it is unwarranted,contact the engine to find out why.
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Banning a site without proof is as irresponsible as not banning one with proof.
Google could be the redirect page an engine uses when your IP is from an unacceptable search country, a proxy IP or an IP that has been previously been used for some type of abuse. If that is happening to you, and you feel it is unwarranted,contact the engine to find out why.
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Funny you mention IP from previously used abuse, unacceptable search country or a proxy as mine is none of the above. I know once that one of the se's blocked my ip but he blocked the whole domain. I use a cable connection. It is kind of foolish to block a whole domain unless you have repeated problems from it. My ip doesnt change unless I reboot my computer so not sure why and I am from US and it is definately not a proxy. I have written to the search engines this is happening with and no reply. I have seen it mentioned more and more in conversations about search engines lately.
Kind of frustrating when they want good traffic the good traffic comes through and they are redirecting it. No One wins.
Classical-Mail will stop sending emails if they think you don't do valid searches, this is from their Help page:
Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
QUOTE(mariasue @ Sep 2 2005, 01:12 PM)
Classical-Mail will stop sending emails if they think you don't do valid searches, this is from their Help page:
Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
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Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
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I actually wondered about classical mails and always read on this forum that this wasnt the case but yesterday this admin was sent and it made me wonder exactly what it did mean.
[Search results]
I think most of you have noticed that recently there has been a large number of PTR programs that force/incentivize members to perform 100% valid searches and promise a higher link value rewards, if you don't perform at least 80% searches you will not receive any emails.
I don't wish to leave any comment on this since each site has its own loyal members, it's the WM's decision of which method they would select to run the program and it also depends on members of which program they wish to support.
But it does affect on our search result, so i would like to ask the members who perform 100% valid searches on other site but did 0% at CM to not even join Classical-Mail, because it will only bring us the debt, for such members, the only action we can take is to not send emails anymore.
For our own loyal members, we also consider to send out extra bonus, thank you for your long-term support.
The site owner frequents this forum so maybe he can explain what this admin email meant?
I dont think I am a member of any other site that forces searches which is a relief really because I dont think I will be a member of many sites soon if I keep exposing them but its wrong and if they choose to delete me then so be it.
QUOTE(mariasue @ Sep 2 2005, 09:12 AM)
Classical-Mail will stop sending emails if they think you don't do valid searches, this is from their Help page:
Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
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Why I receive less/no emails than before?
This only effect on search members. We do not allow members that abuse search engine TOS and participate into "searches" just for earning quick money without real "interests" or "needs", you will be downgraded 1 or 2 level if you are catched which means you will receive less emails (-1 Level) even no emails (-2 Level).
There is a topic here about PaidMailEngine and Time-Mails forcing searches.
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/paidmai...ls-t369673.html
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I have never had a problem with Classical Mails and I sometimes go a month before I do ANY searches anywhere (after I get fed up with seeing nothing but adult listings
or other irrelevant garbage 
when I search, it takes me awhile to try again)
Well ya i hope so, if he/she doesn't respond within a few hours that's another program off my list.
QUOTE(strolly @ Sep 2 2005, 08:47 AM)
I actually wondered about classical mails and always read on this forum that this wasnt the case but yesterday this admin was sent and it made me wonder exactly what it did mean.
[Search results]
I think most of you have noticed that recently there has been a large number of PTR programs that force/incentivize members to perform 100% valid searches and promise a higher link value rewards, if you don't perform at least 80% searches you will not receive any emails.
I don't wish to leave any comment on this since each site has its own loyal members, it's the WM's decision of which method they would select to run the program and it also depends on members of which program they wish to support.
But it does affect on our search result, so i would like to ask the members who perform 100% valid searches on other site but did 0% at CM to not even join Classical-Mail, because it will only bring us the debt, for such members, the only action we can take is to not send emails anymore.
I'd say it means search or get out of their program...plain and simple.
For our own loyal members, we also consider to send out extra bonus, thank you for your long-term support.
The site owner frequents this forum so maybe he can explain what this admin email meant?
I dont think I am a member of any other site that forces searches which is a relief really because I dont think I will be a member of many sites soon if I keep exposing them but its wrong and if they choose to delete me then so be it.
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[Search results]
I think most of you have noticed that recently there has been a large number of PTR programs that force/incentivize members to perform 100% valid searches and promise a higher link value rewards, if you don't perform at least 80% searches you will not receive any emails.
I don't wish to leave any comment on this since each site has its own loyal members, it's the WM's decision of which method they would select to run the program and it also depends on members of which program they wish to support.
But it does affect on our search result, so i would like to ask the members who perform 100% valid searches on other site but did 0% at CM to not even join Classical-Mail, because it will only bring us the debt, for such members, the only action we can take is to not send emails anymore.
I'd say it means search or get out of their program...plain and simple.
For our own loyal members, we also consider to send out extra bonus, thank you for your long-term support.
The site owner frequents this forum so maybe he can explain what this admin email meant?
I dont think I am a member of any other site that forces searches which is a relief really because I dont think I will be a member of many sites soon if I keep exposing them but its wrong and if they choose to delete me then so be it.
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stealing advertisers money!!! shame on this site!
QUOTE(strolly @ Sep 2 2005, 03:47 PM)
But it does affect on our search result, so i would like to ask the members who perform 100% valid searches on other site but did 0% at CM to not even join Classical-Mail, because it will only bring us the debt, for such members, the only action we can take is to not send emails anymore.
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It's a little late to ask members not to join isn't it
I recently bought an ad @ honestmails, but just noticed this toppic and I guareteed it will be the last time....
yup, the above sites are banned at monisearch
dont need that kind of c-r-a-p traffic
dont need that kind of c-r-a-p traffic
I know this program was mentioned above but I quit 51Searcher after receiving the following Admin mail.
QUOTE
Hello,Eyery one
You know all search engine's bid not good current,and few members search for my advertiser,then ad less and less,So,I will
make some change.
I added a keyword "search" on interest selection,If you want to receive search ad and search for my advertiser,plz choose
this,although you will not receive search ad,if you choose and not search,I will think you are a cheater,I will deleted you ,thanks!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
??????????????????
????
????????????????51searcher admin
????????????????51searcher@163.com
????????????????????2005-08-15
You know all search engine's bid not good current,and few members search for my advertiser,then ad less and less,So,I will
make some change.
I added a keyword "search" on interest selection,If you want to receive search ad and search for my advertiser,plz choose
this,although you will not receive search ad,if you choose and not search,I will think you are a cheater,I will deleted you ,thanks!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
??????????????????
????
????????????????51searcher admin
????????????????51searcher@163.com
????????????????????2005-08-15
seekmails.com
this is what the say in an email:
If we detect any member frequently click the emails but do not click the advertise link,we won't send emails to these member anymore because they don't need the emails.
If you just click the links,you will not earn any credit,unless you support the ads.We will see the advertiser report to manually add your credi
this is what the say in an email:
If we detect any member frequently click the emails but do not click the advertise link,we won't send emails to these member anymore because they don't need the emails.
If you just click the links,you will not earn any credit,unless you support the ads.We will see the advertiser report to manually add your credi
I can't seriously believe people are doing this, of course it hurts the people who advertise if people don't search, but it hurts the search engines even more to lose quality searches cause noone really needs the things they search for. I have only searched once this week, and i found a great offer on a very expensive product i was planning on purchasing, that is what search engines are supposed to be used for.
I really hope not just search engines but other site owners and members will take a stand to stop supporting sites like these. They are hurting honest members, honest search engines, cheating advertisers on the se's and that are promoting and trying to be honest and they are hurting honest sites.
As long as we all continue to condone this type of behavior from programs there is not going to be changes in ptr. By contributing to sites like this we are saying it is ok to lie, cheat and steal. I for one am going to do something about this. I hope others will do the same.
As long as we all continue to condone this type of behavior from programs there is not going to be changes in ptr. By contributing to sites like this we are saying it is ok to lie, cheat and steal. I for one am going to do something about this. I hope others will do the same.
I'm glad people are finally naming names! I think it is important. Some people won't care and will still stay with them but I won't.
It is so sad that people demand we search. I don't demand someone sign up for an offer that I may advertise just because I want the little bit of cash that I may make so searches should not be any different.
It is so sad that people demand we search. I don't demand someone sign up for an offer that I may advertise just because I want the little bit of cash that I may make so searches should not be any different.
QUOTE(hof @ Sep 2 2005, 10:11 AM)
I'm glad people are finally naming names! I think it is important. Some people won't care and will still stay with them but I won't.
It is so sad that people demand we search. I don't demand someone sign up for an offer that I may advertise just because I want the little bit of cash that I may make so searches should not be any different.
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It is so sad that people demand we search. I don't demand someone sign up for an offer that I may advertise just because I want the little bit of cash that I may make so searches should not be any different.
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Yes, namng names is a START.
QUOTE(priestes @ Sep 3 2005, 12:51 AM)
...I for one am going to do something about this. I hope others will do the same.
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K. So P, does this Mean that it is ok for MO too, to 'do something about this'?
or would you perfer I Not?
MO.
QUOTE(hof @ Sep 2 2005, 01:11 PM)
It is so sad that people demand we search. I don't demand someone sign up for an offer that I may advertise just because I want the little bit of cash that I may make so searches should not be any different.
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Well said! IMO we are "paid to read" not "paid to search".
Can someone PM me the concise list with the admin emails, etc as proof?
We currently don't have a rule set forth at SAS for removing a site for this particular instance but we will discuss it and make an official announcement soon.
Thanks,
Rod
We currently don't have a rule set forth at SAS for removing a site for this particular instance but we will discuss it and make an official announcement soon.
Thanks,
Rod
QUOTE(madmeikal @ Sep 2 2005, 06:06 PM)
K. So P, does this Mean that it is ok for MO too, to 'do something about this'?
or would you perfer I Not?
MO.
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or would you perfer I Not?
MO.
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Of course it is MO .. No one has ever said not to do something about it and by the way Why ask me???
QUOTE(priestes @ Sep 3 2005, 12:34 PM)
Of course it is MO .. No one has ever said not to do something about it and by the way Why ask me???
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Well, I ask You, because Every time I Lose it on this issue, and say, k, 'nuff's enough, I'm Faced with the Same Problem, of having to throw out the baby with the bathwater, to be able to get Anything Done, so, as you're progs are some of the babies, I asked.
Thanks for your 'blessing' this time.
MO.
Thank you to the ptr site owners and the search engine owners who have done something about this its far easier to bury your head in the sand and say its not my business etc. Its just leaves us members to make sure we dont join these sites and to keep on naming sites and showing the evidence of very bad practice. Maybe they payed you yesterday or last week and payed you fast but the life of these sites is very short term they get reported lose revenue, lose advertisers and then disappear and they most definitely wont pay before they disappear. So the moral of this story is the lure of high value links isnt such a wonderful thing after all.
I'm not a PO and I'm not sure I understand the problem here. I did read the entire thread!
My question is very simple: If I click on a paid link that takes me to a search engine, for instance MoniSearch or Findaholic, am I expected to search for something and click a result or not?
My question is very simple: If I click on a paid link that takes me to a search engine, for instance MoniSearch or Findaholic, am I expected to search for something and click a result or not?
QUOTE(RiffRandell @ Sep 3 2005, 09:09 PM)
I'm not a PO and I'm not sure I understand the problem here. I did read the entire thread!
My question is very simple: If I click on a paid link that takes me to a search engine, for instance MoniSearch or Findaholic, am I expected to search for something and click a result or not?
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My question is very simple: If I click on a paid link that takes me to a search engine, for instance MoniSearch or Findaholic, am I expected to search for something and click a result or not?
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The people who are sending the emails would like you to, and therefore the program owners would too. But according to most searc hengines rules the incentives for seraching must never be forced, and people should only search if they actually have something they need. This ensures that the people who advertise at the search engines get valid results, that will get them more income, that makes the advertisers and search engines happy. If the search engine owners aren't happy, there would be no search engines and therefore no ads. So while PTS advertisers might lose out because of people not clicking, the whole industry would ultimately lose more by forcing searches.
QUOTE(strolly @ Sep 3 2005, 07:30 PM)
Thank you to the ptr site owners and the search engine owners who have done something about this its far easier to bury your head in the sand and say its not my business etc. Its just leaves us members to make sure we dont join these sites and to keep on naming sites and showing the evidence of very bad practice. Maybe they payed you yesterday or last week and payed you fast but the life of these sites is very short term they get reported lose revenue, lose advertisers and then disappear and they most definitely wont pay before they disappear. So the moral of this story is the lure of high value links isnt such a wonderful thing after all.
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Actually, from an 'Earnings' point of view, in ptr, These forced search sites, Are in fact, the best paying ptr sites on the net.
From what I can gather, and what I've read here in gpf, ptr earnings have likely Doubled in the short time, since I stopped searching, lol. I could Likely rake in a Nice little income right now if I chose to. kinda makes me ask myself the duhhhh ?
On another note, seems More and More of them are trying to rip the clickers though, only paying them 1/2 cent a search. Now that's just plain Cheap. I would never bother with one of these under 1 full cent a pop, or Poop, whichever way one cares to look at it.
But please don't think anyone Here is going to so much as put a Dent in the system, they will be Thriving Next Month, and new ones will continue to launch as well. There's too much money in it for them to stop. They don't give a rats rear what the rest of ptr thinks of them, they are very self contained and don't need you.
MO.
QUOTE(Talrinys @ Sep 4 2005, 04:34 AM)
The people who are sending the emails would like you to, and therefore the program owners would too. But according to most searc hengines rules the incentives for seraching must never be forced, and people should only search if they actually have something they need. This ensures that the people who advertise at the search engines get valid results, that will get them more income, that makes the advertisers and search engines happy. If the search engine owners aren't happy, there would be no search engines and therefore no ads. So while PTS advertisers might lose out because of people not clicking, the whole industry would ultimately lose more by forcing searches.
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That puts the answer at "no". Thanks!
QUOTE(RiffRandell @ Sep 4 2005, 04:56 AM)
That puts the answer at "no". Thanks!
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Actually, with regards to the sites discussed in This thread, it was "yes".
MO
QUOTE(madmeikal @ Sep 4 2005, 05:03 AM)
Actually, with regards to the sites discussed in This thread, it was "yes".
MO
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Got it! In programs that don't force searching, you can clink the search links & not search but still get paid. Thanks!
Yes you can, and there is definately nothing wrong with.
I rarely search myself but i have to say i feel bad about it, but i honestly don't feel like searching for something i don't need, espically when i know someone will get hurt in the end.
I rarely search myself but i have to say i feel bad about it, but i honestly don't feel like searching for something i don't need, espically when i know someone will get hurt in the end.
QUOTE(Talrinys @ Sep 4 2005, 05:18 AM)
Yes you can, and there is definately nothing wrong with.
I rarely search myself but i have to say i feel bad about it, but i honestly don't feel like searching for something i don't need, espically when i know someone will get hurt in the end.
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I rarely search myself but i have to say i feel bad about it, but i honestly don't feel like searching for something i don't need, espically when i know someone will get hurt in the end.
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umm, Someone, Allways gets hurt, when a se link is clicked at a ptr site.
There are a Lot here, that will Argue my statement, but as a ppc Advertiser, the statement Remains the Truth.
Some claim, that there are ppc advertisers, who Welcome ptr clicks, I'm Not one of them, Nor are any of the dozens I've personally talked to.
So, if you search at a ptr site, you hurt. if you don't search, you hurt. Just a matter of choosing, 'who' to hurt, really.
MO.
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