Well, another thing going the wrong way with this program.

Although the Webmaster has some point.

I wonder if this will actually boost advertising?

he should realise that the reason its hard to get referrals is because of the price to signup.. heck I haven't even made that back yet..

theres no way I'd promote it as some great program when its not..

Well I understand where he is coming from but hey sorry we all have to put up with members having HUGE downlines and paying them all the time.

I personally will not promote it and well frankly dont know if I will stay a member

It's just going from bad to worse IMHO. I used to like PaidBanners, paid out with all popular payout options, good level of PTC banners.

Nowadays it's just "oh lets payout using some never even heard-of-before payment system". OK, maybe a slight exaggeration but that's the way it seems. e-gold went, Paypal's going, what next?

Nigel also needs to realise it shouldn't be down to the members to do all the advertising - one of the reasons (if not THE reason) why Make-A-Sell failed.

precisely!

why isn't he advertising to get new members and new advertisers?

how can i tell someone they'll make they're $7.50 back knowing that banners are at the level they are at right now?

supposedly, we should advertise because if everyone advertised, we'd all reach payout faster. sorry, but by moving payout up by more than 3 times, NO ONE's going to reach payout. This sucks big time.

Its weird too...the trend these days is to lower payout not increase it

This really bite me in the ***!!! I couldn't afford to pay for all of my membership, so someone helped me out. (Thanks Brian!) I am promoting this place.....I have their banner on top of my site so it's the first thing you see....

I can't afford to pay for a spot on his site!! I can't get referrals because of the cost to join! I thought it would be "cool" that I got in on an "exclusive" club, but it sucks!!!!

I'm also getting tired of seeing a change in the terms every week! I can always count on an email in my box at least once a week!!

Ehh I hate to say this, but this program is gonna bite the dust just like Make-a-Sell did ... all these programs start out great but just die within no time, really ... to me, just gonna be another program to die off ... I don't think the terms will do any good either ... more people will just quit because of the increased payout which is ridiculous IMO. Oh well, let 'em do what he has to.

Hate to be so negative but that's all IMHO ...

I just don't care for the way that he's blaming the members for the site's troubles (kinda like Fred Srock).

Yes it seems to be going downwards quick

when you make a program you need to think of the big downlines

Also....personally,,,,,,, I advertise my own sites and sell ads on ebay and other places to get advertisers that are not members....sometimes it even cost me more LOL.....but.....in the long run it pays off when you get fresh advertisers etc.

Its your reponsibility as a program owner to make things work......You need to not rely soley on your members if your not willing to try yourself

what annoys me the most is that he shut make a sell down without paying most of us and then starts up a new email site a month later or how ever long after it was and expects people to join that one.

so there is a pattern then

I'm the member number 1823

I am 1816!!!! WOOHOOOO!

So I can always cashout at $3.00??!?

Sorry Rishiboy,


It looks like you'll just be able to cash out once at 3$, then you'll be like the rest of us struggling to reach 10$....

I don't like them getting rid of e-gold and it sounds like paypal is on the way out too
Lack of banners
The sign up fee makes it impossible to promote
Raising the payout level

4 faces =

Well I think this sucks. I just now got $3.00 in my account and was fixing to cash out. I think this bites. You have to pay $7.50 to be a part of this stupid site and it's hard to get refferals unless you pay for them to join and now you have to get $10 to cash out. It took me forever to get the $3.00. The way things were going with this program I was planning on cashing out and quitting but I guess I'm just gonna have to quit and lose the money because there is no way I'm gonna wait around for the next few years just to try and get $10.

THANK YOU!

I am so tired of members getting the blame when there is no advertising. Geez, if you don't have advertisers, look for some!!. There needs to be other ways of advertising at PB like paid e-mails, not just PTC. Paid e-mails seem to get a better response, at least for me, than click banners do. Maybe that's why nobody advertises. But is that OUR fault?? I don't think so! The w/m needs to make the program more attractive to members AND advertisers. Don't just blame the members if nobody buys ads. I wonder just how much Nigel spends on advertising PB?? He sure expects all of us to spend all our money advertising with him

At least I have broken even with this one. I feel sorry for everyone that paid for lots of referrals, though Only looks like it's going to get worse.

Don't know how much consolation this is, but the 4 or so banners that are there now are worth 2 cents each instead of 1...

I loved PaidBanners - but it has really gone down, what is it - the paymaster??? (Paymaster that can't pay with Egold or PayPal )


also, I paid for referrals and havn't even broke even, this program has lost me money!


very dissapointing

Indeed

Yeah, I don't know why it works this way, but I can cashout at $3.00!!!

how come you can? and we can't

Perhaps there were different terms at that period..

D'oh!

well nigel lied

because he said that he would honor all requests before the new terms.

and i did not get paid.

i cashed out at 5.31.

what the heck. who cares. i'll cash out at 10.00 when i get it and i'm quitting. so i have 14 direct, and lots of level 2,3 and 4 people

so all you people can maybe buy the refs lol cuz you know nigel will sell them.

That sucks

Question:

When can I claim my Earnings?

Answer:

You may apply for payment when you have $3 or more in your account.If you need earnings and you dont have the $3 you can email admin and give your reasons

Well he needs to change his FAQ section or people are gonna keep being mislead.

Hey, he's changing his terms so much more often now that the site updates can't keep up

Darn, Nigel.. -_-

I thought everyone said he cared for his members and advertisers, that is why I advertised on his site lately.. I didn't have much success, only one or two sign-ups out of the 815 one-cent links sent out..

And he is wondering why members are leaving him? And advertisers leaving him? Be nice to the members, you will get more clickies and more advertisies..

agreed

I used to be crazy about Nigel. I've lost quite a bit of respect for him. He's always sending out all these links to join these affilliate programs that he gets into. Instead of joining all that stuff, why doesn't he put the money and time into promoting his sites so they don't fail, instead of blaming his members?

exactly


Not really a paymaster now

more like the paykeeper... should've gotten out when eh gave the window to take your e-gold and run.

there must be plenty of people who hasn't yet cashed out the 3 bucks which was in the terms when they first signed up so why is it only members from 1815-1823 who can cash out at 3? Not fair to the rest of the people who hasn't cashed out yet...and not fair to all the others of us who's already cashed out either.

EXACTLY! I've been thinking this AND my poor lil TWO refs...that I paid for at full price AND gave a good part of my ref fee to!

Nigel has been promoting his own ref links to way too many paid to join crap proggies AND he spouted off too many times AGAINST his own membership...I liked him once, when he was fresh into MAS. Then he started this ugly crap blaming us for his own mismanagement. Sorry but that's pure bullhockey.

If he thinks we're going to roll for his blunders and big promises, he should think again. Paymaster my arse. Bulls**tmaster more like it. I don't care, sick of his attitude!!!

When I wrote him a simple question, he lashed me down like I was an ###### and I was so far beneath him, I blasted an email back to him telling him this was going to happen. That with that holier than thou attitude he would begin to lose people. WE ARE THE ONES WHO PAID OUT FOR HIM!!!

I couldn't afford to pay, nor my refs (they're both on disability), and he acted like everyone should just reach into their pockets and pay HIM for the privilege instead of him getting out there like so many other webmasters promoting their programs. He's so into fast money like Srock (sorry ILost...but I don't apologize for THAT feeling) that he can't see anything else. Well, one fan here has lost ALL respect, is totally disappointed, AND is in way too deep and at this rate will never recover. LAUGH AND MALIGN US NIGEL ALL YOU WILL, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE LOSING.

And you yell at me one more time, and you just might find a unicycle shoved where the sun don't shine. I'm heartily SICK of your attitude!

(and for GPF...sorry, no coffee yet)

WOW! Look out, Nigel...she's angry, she's frustrated, AND she's in the circus!!
(not laughing at your situation, sooozie, just think that was hilarious...thanks for the laff!)

Way to go sooozie!

LMAO!!! <taking a bow> helllllllloooo (i re-edited lol) I'd make more money in the circus than his.......GUARANTEED AT LEAST 25 cents or more bullpuckey!!

I'm soooooooooooo frustrated and bent outta shape with these whiney snivelling mealymouthed webmasters who think they're God Him/Herself! Get off your own arse and DO SOMETHING...we joined to GET paid DUH!!!!

:::stepping off box:::

Ohhhhhhhhhh and by the way, you want us to promote you? THEN PAY US WHAT WE PAID YOU! How's that for an idea!?

You go girl! (I think you are female)

Ummmm :::looking down::: yeppers but I seem to be growing something there LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Oh and by the way, he lies well. The banners are supposed to stay for an entire week......two weeks running BUPKIS...I just went to click and nothing nothing nothing. I was away from home all week helping a friend after her surgery, and didn't get the opportunity to go in until today.

So KG...YOU mighta got 2 cents per and a few others, but they sure didn't last long!

I think angry doesn't even come close to describing what I'm feeling right now.

Yeah, fat lotta good they did, though...that's 8 cents I earned from those 4 banners...WOOHOO
You didn't miss much.

Im new to this, and who is NIGEL? Why so much anger towards NIGEL? How does this get paid forum work

Hi, and welcome to the forum
I don't know if I can explain everything here, but I can tell you a bit about Nigel from my experience primarily.

Nigel Paul is a webmaster who some time ago started a PTR called Make-a-Sell. It was my very favorite PTR. I was a gold member (upgraded for $7.50). I was getting 7 cents for every link, and he was sending a lot of them at first. Plus you got all this other stuff with gold membership, like a spot in his site's matrix, a free ad, etc. I had a great downline and each person was earning me 5%. Then one day Make-a-Sell bit the dust, after having suffered for a while. He closed it and opened another paid-to-join-only site called PaidBanners.

Now this is where some people started to get ticked off, because Nigel didn't allow people to cash out whatever they had accrued at Make-a-Sell (while gold members had no minimum, free members had a $10 minimum), but he required you to join PaidBanners (which cost $7.50) if you wanted your earnings transferred; otherwise, you just lost them.

Like Make-a-Sell, PaidBanners started out great. There were lots of 1-cent banners to click, and since you made $3.75 off each first-level ref, it wasn't that hard to promote. I myself bid for (and won) 5 people in my first level, because I'd be getting 10% for each person. I also had 3 more levels with people in them and I got a bonus for each person (although smaller than the $3.75).

Then the banners started to dry up (didn't take too long), and people stopped recruiting. Nigel changed from no minimum to $3 to cash out, which I didn't think was so bad, but now he's blaming his members for his site's failure and changed the minimum to $10, which is going to make it even harder to recruit. It's a vicious circle that will lead to this site's demise. A real shame, since these two sites (and this person) used to be very good in my estimation. He always used to be so good with customer service too. You'd get paid in like a couple of hours, no matter what. Then he switched it to 7 days and now 30 days. Plus he dropped e-gold and if all you have is e-gold, tough, you can't get your money unless you sign up for something else.

He is imposing all these totalitarian changes on people, his way or the highway, all the while blaming us because he isn't promoting his own site properly and it's dying and he's just bitter. Plus he's joining all these affiliate programs and trying to get us all to join when he could be making his site better.

Hope this helps.
And we are not ALWAYS this angry...give the forum a chance. You'll meet some nice people.

K, you explained that very nicely indeed

Sobig, as K mentioned, we're not always angry, but we have the ability here to "vent", or pass on info, or gain knowledge, or whatever, as long as we're doing it responsibly.

My diatribe above was out of sheer frustration with the constant bombardment of webmasters blaming their members for everything going wrong with their sites...ad nauseum. And never looking to themselves and accepting their own responsibilities, both to the site and its members.

LOL I'm usually a very nice, crazy redheaded gal that enjoys bantering back and forth here, among other more positive aspects of this forum. The frustration was borne out of taking hickeys in a lot of sites due to the hacking/server/etc. problems of late, and webbies who have a nasty tendency to YELL LIKE THIS AT THEIR MEMBERS WHEN THEY DON'T BEND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(lol example of Nigel's emails)

Welcome to our little corner of the world. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll get really angry, you'll learn things, and meet both nice and not so nice folks lol...but you'll never be bored.

Oh no! I just joined a month ago.....

and have $1.01 in my account. I am hoping to cash out at $3.
Now, it'll take me forever to earn back what i paid!

I advertised on the site. If I equate the value of the response to the cost, then it was the MOST expensive ads that I put up. I get better response from non-paid ads in some paid emails!

Looking at my earnings, I just broke even in the cost of becoming a member. Of course, most of it cannot be taken out...

I use paidbanner when I get around to it. It's no longer on my HOT list. Recruiting for it is a nightmare....I joined because I was paid by someone here when they were in a promotional contest.

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