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Metiff

May 20 2005, 05:40 PM

I think everyone should be aware of this situation because if it happened to me, it could happen to you.

Here is the first email that started all of this

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Hello Tiffany, You did not promote GPM at WolfEmails in the last couple of
days.

I have suspended your account until further notice. I have not suspended your
account due to the hits that were sent for you by a bot, but for cashing out on
it when you knew you didn't send the url out there.

There has been tons of hits sent to ptr programs making it look like they came
from wolfemails. Some person got ahold of several ptp urls from your sig at the
gpf and put all urls in a framed page and is sending this bot out and bringing
in tons of hits to those urls.

If you can prove to me you have advertised at wolfemails with your stats page in
the last two days I will gladly say how wrong I am. I hope I am, but I don't
think so.

You may read the thread here to learn more here.

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/wolfema...ad-t341327.html

To reactivate your account please send me the stats from wolfemails where you
sent the ad and received 11,000 hits in less than two days.

Gloria

I **WAS** running an ad at Wolf. Here is my response:

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I have a 30 day ad running at wolf. It hasn't been less then 2 days. It has been running since May 1.

I am well aware of the thread at GPF. I am a general moderator there and we have been trying to keep an
eye on that thread.

Here are screen shots.

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While your at it check this out too,

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...1&#entry3498931

That is where I purchased the ad. I also have it running at YourPTR where I'm an upgraded member.

I do not like the tone of you your first sentence, I **DID** promote the site at wolf in the last couple of days.
I am sorry but how was I supposed to know if there was bot traffic--first of all it shows Wolf, wow--I was
advertising at Wolf. I would also like to know how someone got my URL from my signature at GPF?

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/metiff-m9152.html

That's the same signature I have had for AGES now. Not changed. So how did they get the URL?

I am VERY VERY offended by your accusation. You could have contacted Rhonda, you could have
contacted me---nope instead you suspeneded the page while I had ads running for the site. THANKS ALOT.
I was with this site when Jessica owned it, I bought an upgraded membership, she changed to ads only and gave
the site away, I was still here. I lost my upgraded membership somehow and never said a word. I felt the site
was moving a little slow and was planning on redeeming what I had and getting out when you brought out PTP.

I decided to try and use it and get the site groovin' again since I had been such a long time member. BELEIVE ME
I won't make that mistake again.

Tiffany

Before she could even have a chance to read that one she sent this

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Hello Tiffany, after further consideration I have not suspended your account.
Instead I have taken wolfemails off the Approved list until I have looked into
this further.

I am in my account now at wolfemails. I have gone through all emails sent
yesterday and today by them and have not found one for GPM ptp url as of yet.
Once I am done with the emails there I will be checking each section out to
find your advertising you sent there for the GPM PTP url.

This bot really has me terrified and over cautious. I have to be extra cautious
when it comes to traffic sent through wolfemails right now and need to check all
and any traffic sent from their site. If you can clear any of this up for me I
would appreciate it.

Please check out that gpf link I sent you and you will understand why I need to
check the traffic from wolfemails to make sure it was sent from there and not
from this guy/girls bot.

Which advertising have you purchased there? PTC, or email ad, or the manual
surf exchange????

Thanks,
Gloria

Keep reading, I'll break this up into several messages....

Metiff

May 20 2005, 05:44 PM

I then responded with this to her email

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I have alread sent you screen shots. So you have now taken Wolf off the list when I spent $30 for a daily 3 link email?

Thanks, I hope they can switch what I'm promoting.

PS-obviously you didn't look that hard--I'm forwarding you the one from today that is mine.

Tiffany

Then I sent her a copy of my email that is STILL going out every day.

She then sends this

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What a relief. I finally found your ad. I will be adding wolfemails again to
the ptp. I sure am glad that person didn't get ahold of your username and add
it to his bot like he did so many others.

You must feel a little relieved yourself knowing this person doesn't have your
ptp url from different programs added to his/her bot software. Several members
had lost their ptp accounts due to this person. Not at GPM, but at other ptp
programs they were suspended for the traffic received.

Let me know what you think of that forum link chat I sent to you.

Thanks again for waiting this out with me and allowing me to figure out if
he/she had a hold of your username.

Gloria

By this point I am more then a little upset...and I tried to stay calm and sent this

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From what I can tell--from that link is that it's not hits COMING from wolf--it's hits
going to specific sites. Wolf being the #1 site getting hit with the frame traffic.

Last I had heard, they got the guys' free hosting shut down and had got it stopped.
Heck for that matter the last day I see they had real bad problems was 6 days ago.

I am not relieved that someone else has my links---if they did I would have noticed.
I am not relieved that you felt you were on a witch hunt to cancel my account. I
am not relieved I had to site here and take screen shots, and then look for an email
to forward you and I dug up the post where I bought the ads.

No, I am not relieved about any of this. Nowhere did I see where ANYONE said that
GPM was attacked by bot traffic. Maybe I'm wrong but I see a WM who saw a thread
and said "well I better check my traffic." And then saw where someone was getting
hits from another site, and said "Well wolf was attacked, and these hits are from wolf."
I don't want to pay for fraudulent traffic so I better suspend this account. And send the
member accusing them of cheating by cashing out the PTP credits.

In the meantime you alienated a long standing good member.

Tiffany

She then sends this

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I only suspended it for a little while I checked the emails in my account at
wolfemails to be sure you weren't hit by that bot.

I didn't suspend your account because it isn't your fault if you were hit by it.

That is why I did all this tonight to make sure everything was ok and could put
wolf right back onto the approved list before I went to bed. I didn't want it
off the approved list any longer that it would take for me to look for your ad
in my inbox at wolf.

Gloria

On to next message with more quotes...

Metiff

May 20 2005, 05:49 PM

I then sent this the next day....

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After sleeping on it and thinking about it all day I have decided to quit the program.

I can't support the program the way I should now after being called a liar. Whether you
feel that is what you were implying in your first email, that is exactly what you did.

You also DID say you suspended my account. I would like to request to be paid
what is in my account. If you wish to not do that, then I will redeem for ads.

Thank you for your attention to this matter,

Tiffany

I received this:

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Hello Tiffany, I never called you a liar, as you didn't say anything to have
been called so. I was only looking out for the program as a whole. It wasn't
you I was worried about. It was this whole business with that forum
discussion.

It has a lot of webmasters scared. If you read the whole thread you saw that
members were being suspended from several programs due to it.

Yes I was going to suspend your account until I was able to look into it further
then decided that I wouldn't do that. Instead I would do whatever it took that
night to resolve it as best I could.

That is the reason I spent so long at wolfemails going through the ptc section
and tons of emails in my inbox looking for any ad that I could find that was
promoting the GPM promote url. I worked very hard that night to save you any
lost hits and to get wolfemails back on the list.

Quitting the program is your choice. I am sorry I didn't explain things better,
but I wasn't exactly sure what was going on only that some ###### got ahold of
usernames from the gpf or wolfemail or wherever and was sending fake hits to
the ptp urls. I have to do whatever it takes for the site and for all members
of GPM.

I am sorry that you can not understand the need for researching this.

You do what you feel is right for you. I will be sorry to see you go, but it is
your choice.

Gloria

I did post in the thread in issues about this happening. Rhonda was more then helpful. I can't say enough about the help I rec'd from Wolf and from Rhonda. That was the one bright spot in this.

I did send this earlier today

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I had previously asked to be paid out what was in my account. I have not heard from
you and would like to clarify that you are NOT going to pay what is in my account.

Tiffany

PS-I am the one you accused of cheating by cashing out my PTP credits.

She then sent this back

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Hello Tiffany, if you have reached the minimum payout of $10.00 I will be happy
to pay you. If you choose to quit before reaching the minimum payout you will
forfeit all earnings, downlines, etc.

This choice is yours the same as all other members.

Admin.

Now the problem is the fact that I would have no problem waiting until I reached the $10 minimum had I not been accused of cheating! She could have emailed Rhonda, she could have just asked---but I feel that I was truely mistreated. I will not spend any more time or money promoting this program as I could just be called a cheater again. I also don't think it's fair to advertisers to have me as a member anymore...because to be honest, I won't click a link there.

I just wanted to warn everyone that this could happen to them from this webmaster. I would suggest being very careful when and where you promote your PTP link. It might just get you called a liar.

I will be unsubbing. I don't like the fact that she can make a mistake as big as the one she did and then try to hold me hostage until I reach payout. I didn't start this, I didn't accuse anyone of anything--yet I'm the one who's getting nailed out of my earnings......yep that's fair.

Tiff

Metiff

May 20 2005, 05:57 PM

Oh and this was sent out earlier this week---

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Hello everyone, it has been brought to my attention a member has been publicly posting private emails between myself and her at the GetPaidForum.

If you have a complaint I do not mind you posting it for all to see if we can not resolve the issue between the two of us. Everyone has the right to post their concerns if after speaking to me has not resolved your concern.

As for copying and posting a private email between a member and myself, I am sorry, but that is going a little too far.

I will never delete you or suspend you if you feel the need to do this, but please take into consideration that I will no longer trust enough to answer another email pertaining to a member who airs them for everyone to read when it is mean't specifically for that one member. If you breach this trust answers to your question will be sent out in a site update when I feel we have the need for one instead of in a private email.

If you post an email that is sent to all members such as a site update like this one or a paid email, etc, yes, I will cancel your account for this.

Site updates and paid emails are just that. Updates and emails sent to members of the program only. I will not tolerate an email sent to members only to be posted at other places for non-members to read. I am sorry, but if I can not trust you as a member I do not want you as a member.

I intend for our site to be totally secure for all members as a whole and breaching this security is something I will not take litely.

I want everyone to feel secure in the knowledge that if they have certain concerns or anything at all that their information, questions, etc, are perfectly secure, as I would want the same for myself.

I am sure you can all understand the reasoning behind this update.

Thanks everyone. I just wanted to let you know where I stand on certain issues.

This Breach of Emails has been added to the Terms.

Gloria

Obviously she doesn't like having this aired publically. And no one had to let her know, she posted in that thread! I guess this does break the Terms as they are now....but not as they were when I signed up. And since I'm no longer wanting to be a member....I guess it's only fair everyone else can see what they are dealing with.

Tiff

SecurityDude

May 20 2005, 06:12 PM

I sure hope Gloria knew that you would be posting the entire conversation in a public forum.

Metiff

May 20 2005, 06:15 PM

I never told her I would. I didn't want to appear to be blackmailing her by threatening to post here. I do feel though that others need to be warned about what can happen if they promote their PTP.

That is why it's here.

Tiffany

MenaC

May 20 2005, 07:31 PM

Rather disappointing to see someone posting private emails in public like this. Especially so from a moderator of this forum. It makes me feel like I would never be able to trust you with anything sent to you by PM as I would never know if you would share those PMs with others or not. You could have discussed your problem with this PTR without posting the emails verbatum.

sumarie

May 20 2005, 09:41 PM

Tiffany,
For what my two cents is worth, I read the 1st email the same way
you did; you are, in fact, being judged 'guilty' outright without the
benefit of a defense.

I find the WM's approach to this problem very unprofessional and
uncalled for; she should have researched the problem better before
she accused you of cheating.

Yes, there are so many things out there now that makes this
enterprise a serious gamble for WMs and members alike; bots,
viruses, trojans, hackers, scammers and spammers. In all
honesty, though, like everything else in this world, cyber and non,
there are always a few that spoil the whole for the rest of us.

But, in my humble opinion, if webmasters are going to stand on
merit and demand that the members treat their enterprise as
a serious business, then they, too, need to learn how to act
businesslike, and treat their members accordingly.

Whether it was 'right' or 'wrong' to post these communications
in a public forum, I've no opinion, but your reasoning in wanting
to alert others to this problem is sound and I heartily applaud you!

michigander

May 20 2005, 10:03 PM

I have also posted emails from a certain WM which threatened me with legal action...like you know how far that would go...same as far as it would go if we decided to go against a ptr site and sue

All I have too say is what comes around goes around, and if you felt like you had to post here then thats up to you, noone has the right to tell you what u can and cant do here, as long as you are within their terms.....maybe if more people alerted others, out of care! then the scam sites etc. wouldnt last as long.....thanks for the news and I will avoid the site

I am a member of many great ptr sites, and i do this for enjoyment, stress has no business in a hobby of mine

lisado

May 20 2005, 11:19 PM

I'm not a member of this site, and in fact haven't heard of it until now. Maybe it is "wrong" to post a private conversation in a public forum, but I am glad that you let us know exactly what was going on with this PO. I think that maybe she should have investigated more before chosing to email you and basically call you a cheater. I honestly don't know how you could have told the story of what happened (and you know there are those that would want "proof" of what was said and what happened) without posting the emails. Thanks for the heads up.

ETA: Danged if ya do and danged if ya don't.

adarkenedmind

May 21 2005, 12:39 AM

Tiffany -

I personally wouldn't have wanted *my* emails posted publically, however, I would also not have been likely to have been so quick to jump the gun, which is exactly what she did. I think my first course of action would have been to ask Rhonda if x members were sending ads for the site, and see if she had a moment to check, or you first, even if I hadn't have seen them, simply because I can't possibly remember every link I see come through every PTR i'm in.

If she was that suspicious of you, she should have asked Rhonda first.

I think she realized her mistake, and tried to correct it with her immediate follow-up letter, but sometimes, the damage has already been done, and it takes more than a brief email afterward to remedy the situation. In my case, it would have included (had I have been rash enough to make the error to begin with) a huge apology for jumping the gun, along with the explanation.

The rest of it... well.. the apology never really meets with the original accusation (and believe me, I have done my fair share of apologizing for remarks I've made and later regretted, usually the way I've worded them).

Jewels

Mystical2000

May 21 2005, 12:45 AM

QUOTE(MenaC @ May 20 2005, 07:31 PM)

Rather disappointing to see someone posting private emails in public like this. Especially so from a moderator of this forum. It makes me feel like I would never be able to trust you with anything sent to you by PM as I would never know if you would share those PMs with others or not. You could have discussed your problem with this PTR without posting the emails verbatum.
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Being a moderator has absolutely nothing to do with her right to post a complaint. Whether you agree with her posting emails or not, her position at this forum has no bearing on it so please do not bring it into this thread.

SecurityDude

May 21 2005, 01:12 AM

QUOTE(Mystical2000 @ May 21 2005, 12:45 AM)

Being a moderator has absolutely nothing to do with her right to post a complaint. Whether you agree with her posting emails or not, her position at this forum has no bearing on it so please do not bring it into this thread.
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So you don't feel that a moderator has slightly more pull than the average poster? I think you'd be wrong...

I work casually as the head bouncer in a bar. The odd time I relax and slip and say something that offends someone, I can "get away with it" because of my position - the ordinary patron would not be so lucky.

Mystical2000

May 21 2005, 01:23 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 01:12 AM)

So you don't feel that a moderator has slightly more pull than the average poster? I think you'd be wrong...

I work casually as the head bouncer in a bar. The odd time I relax and slip and say something that offends someone, I can "get away with it" because of my position - the ordinary patron would not be so lucky.
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She has a right to post a complaint like any other member of this forum. And whether she is a moderator or not should not be used against her.

SecurityDude

May 21 2005, 01:34 AM

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be used against her. But in reality, people will view her words differently, because of what she is.

Or do you and sophieca post in bold just "because"?

Mystical2000

May 21 2005, 01:41 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 01:34 AM)

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be used against her.? But in reality, people will view her words differently, because of what she is.

Or do you and sophieca post in bold just "because"??

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Whether you like it or not she is a member of the forum and entitled to post a complaint. Whether anyone agrees with her complaint or not is up to them. If you would like to continue this debate or discuss how I post you can email complaints@getpaidforum.com or you can post in issues.

SecurityDude

May 21 2005, 01:53 AM

Nah... my point has been more than made.

sophieca

May 21 2005, 02:53 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 07:34 AM)

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be used against her. But in reality, people will view her words differently, because of what she is.

Or do you and sophieca post in bold just "because"?

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Come on Martin, you know better than to turn a complaint from a member into a little dig at moderators ... this is not a perfect world but don't make it worse than it is

Still wondering why me posting in bold is anyhow related to this thread

Have a nice one

Sophie

adarkenedmind

May 21 2005, 03:27 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 02:34 AM)

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be used against her. But in reality, people will view her words differently, because of what she is.

Or do you and sophieca post in bold just "because"?

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Actually, if you'd notice, most of the time, the only time Mods post in bold is when they're posting as mods.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic

lennon2004

May 21 2005, 05:44 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 03:34 AM)

Or do you and sophieca post in bold just "because"?

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I can post in bold, too. Does that make me special?

As for the matter at hand here...I think the OP had every right to post this, I don't think it really matters that e-mails were posted, as there was no secret or personal information in them...

mcf

May 21 2005, 06:35 AM

QUOTE(lisado @ May 21 2005, 02:19 AM)

but I am glad that you let us know exactly what was going on with this PO.

It seems this has been known to be happening since at least May3.

MenaC

May 21 2005, 08:16 AM

QUOTE(Mystical2000 @ May 21 2005, 02:45 AM)

Being a moderator has absolutely nothing to do with her right to post a complaint. Whether you agree with her posting emails or not, her position at this forum has no bearing on it so please do not bring it into this thread.[right][snapback]3576226[/snapback][/right]

Of course she has a right to post a complaint... moderator or not. What I don't feel comfortable with is her posting private emails in public since because she is a moderator then I feel like I couldn't trust her with my privacy.

It's not against the rules to exress concern I would hope

lennon2004

May 21 2005, 08:56 AM

QUOTE(MenaC @ May 21 2005, 10:16 AM)

because she is a moderator then I feel like I couldn't trust her with my privacy.
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Why? It's not as if she posted private e-mails about a FORUM matter..?

Metiff

May 21 2005, 08:58 AM

QUOTE(mcf @ May 21 2005, 07:35 AM)

It seems this has been known to be happening since at least May3.
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http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...dpost&p=3551175

That is the link to when I first posted about it, if necessary I can get you full headers to prove it didn't happen--at least not with my account on May 3.

It's been roughly a week since it all started.

Tiff

Metiff

May 21 2005, 09:01 AM

Thank you Myst and Sophie for clarifying that yes Mods can have bad experiences in this industry too.

I am sorry that some feel so disappointed that I posted emails--emails between myself and someone else that I feel prove the point--in our own words. We all know there would have been people who say "That would never happen" or "Provide proof!".

I do not typically start complaints. I think if you reading these emails it proves why I did. I don't want people to go on my word to distrust this program and realize that promoting their PTP could cause you alot of stress, I want them to read it for themselves.

I did not signed any of my posts and moderator as I was not posting as a moderator. I was posting as a clicker-which is what we all are. I have learned so many lessons in this industry and this is yet one more lesson. And honestly, if one person chooses to not join this program or chooses to not use their PTP section because of this and they avoid all the stress and anger that I did, then it's all been worth it.

Tiff

MenaC

May 21 2005, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(lennon2004 @ May 21 2005, 10:56 AM)

Why? It's not as if she posted private e-mails about a FORUM matter..?[right][snapback]3577232[/snapback][/right]

Private emails are just that... private. Metiff already posted that she didn't have permission from the PO to post these emails hence I believe she's breaking this forum's rule by posting them since according to past experiences this would fall under "invasion of privacy". I remember quite well when Will got a slap on the wrist for posting AYS private stuff here and Sophieca quoted the "invasion of privacy" rule to him. Surely it would apply to this situation as well.

Metiff

May 21 2005, 09:11 AM

QUOTE(MenaC @ May 21 2005, 10:06 AM)

Private emails are just that... private. Metiff already posted that she didn't have permission from the PO to post these emails hence I believe she's breaking this forum's rule by posting them since according to past experiences this would fall under "invasion of privacy". I remember quite well when Will got a slap on the wrist for posting AYS private stuff here and Sophieca quoted the "invasion of privacy" rule to him. Surely it would apply to this situation as well.
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First off, I was a direct party to these emails--therefore I should hold some right to post them here. These weren't about detecting new cheating methods or late payouts. The first round of emails was ABOUT ME, EMAILED TO ME. The last email I posted was ABOUT ME, and it was sent to the database.

So to clarify, you would rather I have let the PO know I was posting these, thereby looking like I was blackmailing her that if she didn't pay me I was posting at GPF?

Or would you prefer that I ask for permission? That would be a real nice precedent to start at GPF, you must have the PO's written permission to post anything in complaints. Or do you mean only emails--so when a program owner decides to call everyone welfare bums, or say it's all their fault they didn't get paid in an admin mail---that can't be posted either?

You can't have it both ways---either you want everyone gagged, no emails EVER copied or you just want ME gagged, which is discrimination.

Tiff

sumarie

May 21 2005, 09:32 AM

QUOTE(Metiff @ May 21 2005, 10:11 AM)

You can't have it both ways---either you want everyone gagged, no emails EVER copied or you just want ME gagged, which is discrimination.

Tiff
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You cut it all down to the point!!

Well said, Tiff!

michigander

May 21 2005, 10:20 AM

When I noticed she was a moderator, it only made me feel that we *ALL* have ptr problems....I do not feel she has anymore perks here then anyone else......thumbs down people

SecurityDude

May 21 2005, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(sophieca @ May 21 2005, 02:53 AM)

Come on Martin, you know better than to turn a complaint from a member into a little dig at moderators ... this is not a perfect world but don't make it worse than it is
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Come on Sophie... you guys are a little sensitive, aren't you? I wasn't making a dig at the moderators, nor was I making a dig at the OP. I was simply stating the fact that a moderator's post will be taken differently than a normal person's post.

You guys need to relax.

sophieca

May 21 2005, 11:20 AM

QUOTE(MenaC @ May 21 2005, 03:06 PM)

Private emails are just that... private. Metiff already posted that she didn't have permission from the PO to post these emails hence I believe she's breaking this forum's rule by posting them since according to past experiences this would fall under "invasion of privacy". I remember quite well when Will got a slap on the wrist for posting AYS private stuff here and Sophieca quoted the "invasion of privacy" rule to him. Surely it would apply to this situation as well.
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Please don't mix all, when you join a private forum, automatically agreeing it is private and stuff shouldn't been brought outside the forum ..... and then do exactly what you agreed not to do is absolutely not the same as what has happened here.

As far as I know, Metiff never made an agreement to not divulgue anything sent to her by email, then posting or not posting emails received is her own personal choice as a member and is not related to her being a moderator at GPF either.

Sophieca
administrator

lisado

May 21 2005, 11:31 AM

QUOTE(SecurityDude @ May 21 2005, 01:17 PM)

Come on Sophie... you guys are a little sensitive, aren't you? I wasn't making a dig at the moderators, nor was I making a dig at the OP. I was simply stating the fact that a moderator's post will be taken differently than a normal person's post.

You guys need to relax.
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I don't know about that. I didn't even notice she was a Mod until I saw it mentioned in her post. Makes her more "human" to me, knowing that she gets screwed over by POs the same as the rest of us. Doesn't make her special or immune, IMO.

MenaC

May 21 2005, 01:23 PM

QUOTE(sophieca @ May 21 2005, 01:20 PM)

Please don't mix all, when you join a private forum, automatically agreeing it is private and stuff shouldn't been brought outside the forum ..... and then do exactly what you agreed not to do is absolutely not the same as what has happened here.

As far as I know, Metiff never made an agreement to not divulgue anything sent to her by email, then posting or not posting emails received is her own personal choice as a member and is not related to her being a moderator at GPF either.

Sophieca
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Okey dokey... the official opinion is that she isn't breaking any GPF rules. I expessed my concern over not feeling comfortable with a mod who takes privacy issues so lightly (as evidenced in past posts as well) and that is all what my original post was about.

Concern expressed. That is all

sophieca

May 21 2005, 07:51 PM

Well, all I can see out of this is that some members don't allow moderators to be 'normal' persons on this forum, apply special privacy rules to them when they don't do it when it is a non moderator posting and seem to be trying one way or the other to discredit their modding work, need to bring other mods name in the thread when it is totally irrelevant .... and even if am very 'relax' because it happened before and will happen again, I think all of us mods are aware of it, it always makes me go hmmmmm ....

sophieca
administrator

kglaser

May 21 2005, 08:01 PM

Reason number 325 why I wouldn't ever be a mod or admin here for all the beans in Peru.

cajunlady

May 21 2005, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(kglaser @ May 21 2005, 09:01 PM)

Reason number 325 why I wouldn't ever be a mod or admin here for all the beans in Peru.

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Are you sure? I could have sworn it was 326. Recounting now.................................................................................................................I'll get back to you on this

SecurityDude

May 22 2005, 01:36 AM

QUOTE(sophieca @ May 21 2005, 07:51 PM)

Well, all I can see out of this is that some members don't allow moderators to be 'normal' persons on this forum, apply special privacy rules to them when they don't do it when it is a non moderator posting and seem to be trying one way or the other to discredit their modding work, need to bring other mods name in the thread when it is totally irrelevant .... and even if am very 'relax' because it happened before and will happen again, I think all of us mods are aware of it, it always makes me go hmmmmm ....

sophieca
administrator
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All I can see out of this is some moderators like to make mountains out of molehills.

pei

May 22 2005, 03:14 AM

Once you mailed a stamped envelope, the contents of that envelope belongs to the addressee (even if it hadn't reached its destination yet). Even if you can provide the proof that you're the one who mailed it, you can't regain ownership of the contents of the envelope unless it is returned due to some failure in getting it to the addressee, or the addressee him or herself returns it to you.

Should apply to emails as well. Once you email something to me, unless I've signed an agreement BEFORE you sent it to me that I will not divulge the contents of the email, it's pretty much free for me to do whatever I like with it. I don't think the OP did anything wrong in this regard... can you really say that you've never shown a letter to anyone else, or your bills, or some gifts or cards sent to you via mail (doesn't apply if you NEVER got mails)? I bet you never asked the sender if you can show those things to other people. OMG, privacy violation... right. *nods*

sumarie

May 22 2005, 12:34 PM

QUOTE(pei @ May 22 2005, 04:14 AM)

Once you mailed a stamped envelope, the contents of that envelope belongs to the addressee (even if it hadn't reached its destination yet). Even if you can provide the proof that you're the one who mailed it, you can't regain ownership of the contents of the envelope unless it is returned due to some failure in getting it to the addressee, or the addressee him or herself returns it to you.

Should apply to emails as well. Once you email something to me, unless I've signed an agreement BEFORE you sent it to me that I will not divulge the contents of the email, it's pretty much free for me to do whatever I like with it. I don't think the OP did anything wrong in this regard... can you really say that you've never shown a letter to anyone else, or your bills, or some gifts or cards sent to you via mail (doesn't apply if you NEVER got mails)? I bet you never asked the sender if you can show those things to other people. OMG, privacy violation... right. *nods*
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Now, if that ain't a law, it should be! Well said!

SecurityDude

May 22 2005, 01:36 PM

QUOTE(pei @ May 22 2005, 03:14 AM)

Once you mailed a stamped envelope, the contents of that envelope belongs to the addressee (even if it hadn't reached its destination yet). Even if you can provide the proof that you're the one who mailed it, you can't regain ownership of the contents of the envelope unless it is returned due to some failure in getting it to the addressee, or the addressee him or herself returns it to you.
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It would be very naive of us to believe that this situation is similar. Back in the day when confidential and personal information was mainly sent by postal mail, there was no easy and cost effective way to share such information with the masses.

Today messages written and sent in anger or haste can be received immediately, and posted for the world to see just as quickly. We've seen the laws change as technology evolves, and I am sure this is another area that will undergo changes soon. For now, the only law that governs us is one of morality.

pei

May 22 2005, 02:14 PM

10 minutes on the soapbox and perhaps I can tell the town what someone wrote to me about.

For free too. Not to forget that gossips pass around faster than the speed of light, especially where... uhm, members of a particular sex is involved in a particular type of room where there are mirrors and basins (sorry, hee!

). You won't believe what can be achieved without the Internet with the power invested in the... particular sex.

Okay, I sound sexist now. Forgive me, please, but it's just a stereotype, and it happens a lot even if not everyone fit into that group.

Anyway. About the change of laws... that's what privacy policies are created for. Goes long the lines of "I hereby swear that I will not divulge or pass on the information you have entrusted me to."

Thing is, most of the times, site owners promise not to divulge the personal information of the members (some still do, for shame). Members did not, however, sign to a contract that restrict them from divulging the contents of the emails they receive, be it sent via the mass mailer or personally to them (sites suddenly changing their TOS doesn't count, you have to get the members to resign the new "contract").

Edited because I'm an eejit who can't spell.

sumarie

May 22 2005, 02:43 PM

QUOTE(pei @ May 22 2005, 03:14 PM)

Edited because I'm an eejit who can't spell.
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(I can't resist, pei!)

Correct Spelling - idjit-
Definition - 'An idjit is essentially a blockhead*, but with style. In order to become an idjit and join IA**, you must do something that is considered incredible stupid by our standards. Not only that, but it was also probably something that could have easily been avoided if only you had half a brain. Also, you have to be a fairly decent human being.'

*-the censor wouldn't allow the actual word!
**IA - Idjits Anonymous

(No insult intended, this was posted in fun because my daughter
always says I'm such a stickler for correct spelling and grammar!)

pei

May 22 2005, 05:16 PM

QUOTE(sumarie @ May 23 2005, 04:43 AM)

(I can't resist, pei!)

Correct Spelling - idjit-
Definition - 'An idjit is essentially a blockhead*, but with style. In order to become an idjit and join IA**, you must do something that is considered incredible stupid by our standards. Not only that, but it was also probably something that could have easily been avoided if only you had half a brain. Also, you have to be a fairly decent human being.'

*-the censor wouldn't allow the actual word!
**IA - Idjits Anonymous

(No insult intended, this was posted in fun because my daughter
always says I'm such a stickler for correct spelling and grammar!)
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I can't find either words "eejit" or "idjit" in Dictionary.com.

So I went with eejit cause I've seen it used before (I think I may have read it from Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes... he's Irish

), and UrbanDictionary.com says it exists. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eejit

Of course, now that you mentioned it, idjit's in UrbanDictionary too... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idjit

Now what?

sumarie

May 22 2005, 05:22 PM

I reckon it all depends on where you're from!

Here in Jeff Davis' glorious South, we say, "Idjit".

I guess there in 'another world', your accent must be different!

(Sorry, all, I threw my back out yesterday-the drugs must be kicking in

)

adarkenedmind

May 23 2005, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(sumarie @ May 22 2005, 06:22 PM)

I reckon it all depends on where you're from!

Here in Jeff Davis' glorious South, we say, "Idjit".

I guess there in 'another world', your accent must be different!

(Sorry, all, I threw my back out yesterday-the drugs must be kicking in

)
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lol.. that's quite alright. I found the whole thing rather humorous myself.

On topic, though, I don't see where what's-his-face (sorry, too lazy at the moment to look up who was saying it) has any real complaint. I've been a member here for a while, I don't find the mods to be anything extra super out of the ordinary special and carry more weight than anyone else's opinions when they aren't in mod mode.

However, when in mod mode, I have a great deal of respect for what they have to endure both as members and as mods, as well as for their enforcing of the rules, say when some nitwit like me forgets that some thing might offend someone else and they have to edit it out of their post (like they've had to do a couple of times on me and I just wanted to say sorry I don't always think ahead).

i need a nap...

Gabi2111

May 24 2005, 01:41 AM

QUOTE(Mystical2000 @ May 21 2005, 01:45 AM)

Being a moderator has absolutely nothing to do with her right to post a complaint.? Whether you agree with her posting emails or not, her position at this forum has no bearing on it so please do not bring it into this thread.
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This is like saying its no diffrence for a policeman or judge to commit a crime in their private time. We expect more of them.

And we expect our moderators to be leading examples of how the forum should be used.

sophieca

May 24 2005, 02:01 AM

QUOTE(Gabi2111 @ May 24 2005, 07:41 AM)

This is like saying its no diffrence for a policeman or judge to commit a crime in their private time. We expect more of them.

And we expect our moderators to be leading examples of how the forum should be used.
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Mystical was specifically referring to this thread and never said moderators could commit 'crimes in their private time'.

Gabi2111

May 24 2005, 02:08 AM

QUOTE(sophieca @ May 24 2005, 03:01 AM)

Mystical was specifically referring to this thread and never said moderators could commit 'crimes in their private time'.
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I didn't say that...I said its like. Thats something diffrent then saying what you just said.

sophieca

May 24 2005, 02:15 AM

QUOTE(Gabi2111 @ May 24 2005, 08:08 AM)

I didn't say that...I said its like. Thats something diffrent then saying what you just said.
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Well, what Myst said is more like saying a policemen or a judge has the rights to benefit from civil rights like everyone else, not like saying judges and policemen could breake the law.