Why does Sony, Nintendo, Ps3 does not want to support Both New Dvd Generation Format!!

Sony is offering BLUE RAY DVD, Microsoft is offering is Hd Dvd. I don't know about Nintendo it. Either way they could go with Hd dvd vs Blue ray Dvd!!!

What do u think come up with a solution to play New Dvd generation format!!!

This could determine who could win a New generation Dvd format!!! This is like VHS VS BETAMAX IN THE 1980!!!

Either way You Microsoft or Psp Dvd could be obselete if You ever win the New Dvd Format WARS NEXT YEAR!!!!

I want to know will they play our Standard dvd movies in ps3, xbox, Revolution(Nintendo))

Oh No I hate it when it is backward comparticle with those new generation dvd player

ps3 and xbox are both compatable to DVD-ROM, CD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R, CD-R, and a slew of other formats such as the little used CD+G. so you will be able to play your original dvd movies, legaly copied dvd movies and illegaly copied dvd movies as well as any music cd you ever would want.

Nintendo revolution: i am not sure. they havn't come out with any info on what kind of media they are using.

As for the blu-ray and HD-DVD, i don't know which way it will go. I actually think it will go blu-ray for the simple fact that it can hold soooooo much more data than the HD-DVD format, and both are HD compatable.

and to answer your question about why the machines don't support both new formats is simple. HD-DVD was developed in part my microsoft and blu-ray was developed with the help of sony for the PS3. both want the money. It is all business, and while it is a minor inconvinience for us, the consumers, it is a strong and sound business move

You are saying they will play standard dvd movies!! I hope that thing happen!!!

Sony has failed the war on Vcr Since they invented Betamax

Now Sony is counting on Blue Rays disk!!!


In 2007 Computer will be a huge Mess!!! Since The Battle of Hd dvd vs Blue ray Dvd movies!!! This could end you up buying new pc less than 1 year or Xbox and Ps3. Revolution have to build another gaming machine for new dvd!! Whoever win the Battle of New Dvd Generation Format!!!

I also heard some rumor That Blue Ray dvd would not play your old dvd standard player . I think it is only for Hd Dvd player allowed play your standard dvd movies.

not exactly. Nobody has stated the movies will be placed on an HD media, and in all reality, there is no need. DVD-ROM already delivers a sharp, crisp picture even on HD televisions. And if movies do go on HD-DVD dics, then PS3 simply won't play movies, it is still a gaming machince. I have a PS2 and i hardly play dvds in there because i have a dvd player. I don't like using my ps2 for dvds because i want my laser to last. I will do the same thing, even if movies go on blu-ray, i will buy a blu-ray player and not run them on my PS3 (i am buying one once the prices drop after launch)

and i don't think the nintendo revolution will play movies. I think they will go stricktly gaming like they did with the gamecube.

I also heard Blue ray is way expensive to produce. Hd Dvd is very cheaper to produce than Blue Ray dvd.

That thing can determine Blue Ray could success to bring cost down!!

Hd Dvd will be in the Market in DEC 2005. Blue Ray will be on Market on Spring 2006!!!

i guess i havn't heard too much on production costs

Im reading Hd dvd vs blue Ray dvd format war. Im also reading Past Format wars verus Betmax vs VHS


The Showdown: Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD
Posted by Admin on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 06:39 am: [ Submit News ] [ Reply ]

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By Michael Grebb

Alan Parsons wishes it wasn't so. But like it or not, the senior vice president of Pioneer's industrial solutions business group has become a wary foot soldier in the battle over the future of the DVD format. As music blares from a band playing at a nearby exhibit at the 2005 International CES, Parsons sits at a small table in a meeting room contemplating how the next couple of years might play out. He remains relatively reserved, trying not to let his passion for the next-generation Blu-Ray Disc format devolve into vitriol against rival format HD-DVD. "I don't like the rock throwing," he insists. "I just want to excite consumers."

That may be true, but Parsons still finds it hard to resist getting in a few digs on the HD-DVD rival, which at about 15 gigabytes per layer has roughly 40 percent less storage capacity than the Blu-Ray format. "They might end up with something ho-hum," he says. "They're saying that [their capacity] is good, but people used to think that five gigs was good enough." Parsons shrugs his shoulders a bit, wearing a look of calm but certain exasperation. "Why would we limit ourselves to a lower capacity?" he asks.

To be sure, Parsons is among several CE manufacturers backing the Blu-Ray format, which they claim is superior to HD-DVD. But the HD-DVD format has its own backers, who while fewer in numbers, are equally adamant that their format will win out because of its lower transition and manufacturing costs—as well as other technical benefits and its expected quicker time to market. Indeed, either format is a vast improvement over the current DVD design, which maxes out at about 4.7 gigabytes. Even at standard-definition quality, that's barely enough space for a two-hour movie and a few hours of special features. And with that much space, forget about high-definition TV.

VHS vs. Beta all over Again?

Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs enable HDTV reproduction because of their massive storage capacities. Using dual-layer techniques, HD-DVD can store as much as 30 gigabytes of data while a Blu-Ray disc can pack in a whopping 50 gigabytes. In the lab, techies already are working on several-layered discs that could allow more than 100 gigabytes of storage on one disc. That's enough for several HDTV movies, special features and compelling interactive content. Or a content provider could put more than 100 hours of standard-definition quality programming on one DVD. All 180 episodes of Seinfeld on one disc, anyone?

The benefits for backward compatibility are clear: new players will be able to handle both old and new DVD formats in the same machine (outfitted with both red- and blue-laser diodes)—a major consumer benefit that manufacturers hope will drive unit sales.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both use blue lasers, which operate at lower wavelengths (405 nanometers) than current red lasers (650 nanometers). That microscopic difference goes a long way. Longer wavelengths suffer more diffraction, which limits their ability to focus tightly on a surface. But a blue laser's shorter wavelength allows it to read and write data over a much tighter surface area, which in turn allows storage of far more data on a disc that's roughly the same diameter of current DVDs. The benefits for backward compatibility are clear: New players will be able to handle both old and new DVD formats in the same machine (outfitted with both red- and blue-laser diodes)—a major consumer benefit that manufacturers hope will drive unit sales.

But while consumers won't have to worry about obsolescence when it comes to their old DVD collections, the format war brewing between new Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs does present an age-old problem that evokes the VHS vs. Beta fiasco of the 1980s. The HD-DVD format—like the VHS format that won out over Beta—could become far more widely available to consumers sooner and at a lower price (at least initially) than Blu-Ray discs. That's because the HD-DVD format utilizes manufacturing techniques very similar to those used for the current generation of DVDs. Translation: Third-party duplication houses won't have to retool their factories significantly to make HD-DVDs a reality. That means that HD-DVD discs likely will be the first to market by at least several months, probably by the end of 2005.

On the other hand, Blu-Ray discs require an entirely new manufacturing process with transition costs borne largely by duplicators (unless Blu-Ray backers devise a subsidy system. That, along with other issues, is expected to delay the introduction of Blu-Ray discs until sometime in 2006, which could hand a major advantage to the HD-DVD format. (add hard return here) "In this kind of battle, the guy who is out there first and cheaper is going to be the winner," says Fariborz Ghadar, director for the Center for Global Business Studies at Penn State University. "The more expensive and later one is going to be the loser." (The Blu-Ray camp contends that it will bring manufacturing costs nearly in line with HD-DVD during the next year. Parsons says that HD-DVD's cost advantage will amount to only "pennies" per disc over the Blu-Ray format). (add hard return here as well) "Unlike Blu-Ray discs, HD-DVD discs can be manufactured with similar equipment in the same plants that make current DVDs," said Jodi Sally, vice president of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products digital audio video products.

Duking It Out

Still, the nature of the next-generation rollout itself may force consumers to take sides early. Because of the vastly different physical attributes of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs, it's cost-prohibitive for manufacturers to produce next-generation players that can handle both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats in one machine. "You would need two pickup heads, and it would be very expensive," explains Stephen Balogh, business development manager at Intel's corporate technology group. So manufacturers have lined up on opposite sides of the fence, ready to produce players that only work with one or the other format. That could spell consumer confusion as buyers fear picking the wrong one and ending up with an obsolete player and content library.

Each side wants to convince consumers that they should avoid the other side's format. HD-DVD backers are planning a "you want it, and we're here now" marketing strategy, whereas the Blu-Ray camp largely plans to adopt a "we won't be first, but we'll be better" campaign designed to warn consumers away from HD-DVD.

So what's the breakdown of forces on each side? On the Blu-Ray side is a large group of CE manufacturers, including Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Mitsubishi Electric, Panasonic (Matsushita Electric), Pioneer, Royal Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson. Some content providers also are onboard. In addition to obvious backing from Sony-affiliated movie studios Sony Pictures Entertainment and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, the Walt Disney Company and its home-video division Buena Vista Entertainment offered its non-exclusive endorsement of Blu-Ray in December. In addition, video gaming powerhouse Electronic Arts, along with Vivendi Universal Games, both came out for Blu-Ray at the 2005 International CES in January.

Most gaming companies have yet to pick sides, although Blu-Ray's larger storage capacity may win some of them over. "If you show Blu-Ray to a game manufacturer and say you can have an extra 20 gigabytes of storage, it's a drop-dead deal," says Blu-Ray backer Richard Doherty, managing director for Blu-Ray and professional AV at Panasonic Hollywood Labs. Of course, most PC-based games haven't even moved up to the current generation of DVDs from CDs, so it's unclear whether most gaming companies will utilize high-definition DVD formats for some time.

The main backer of the HD-DVD format is Toshiba, which by itself has more market dominance than several CE backers on the Blu-Ray side combined, along with smaller players NEC and Sanyo. Toshiba plans to launch its first HD-DVD players in late 2005. In December, even Thomson—which is actually a Blu-Ray disc backer—announced that it also would sell HD-DVD players by late 2005. And an impressive list of entertainment content companies has thrown their weight behind HD-DVD, including Paramount, Universal Studios and Warner Bros. (along with Time Warner-owned New Line Cinema). All of these studios have already announced a significant amount of titles on HD-DVD to be available at the time HD-DVD players are introduced.

Toshiba is dedicated to the HD-DVD format and executives staunchly believe they will win the marketing battle for consumers even before Blu-Ray gets its format off the ground in 2006. "The key part of this is going to be driven by content," says Maciek Brzeski, vice president of marketing in Toshiba's storage device division.

He says consumers won't care whether the disc has 30 gigabytes or 50 gigabytes of capacity—only that the content they want is ready and available at a good price. Brzeski questions the Blu-Ray camp's ability to jazz consumers about a format that he says offers little more than a few extra gigabytes of storage. "They're going to be marketing technology, and we're going to be marketing products," he says. "It's hard to sell technology to consumers."

"Our rich heritage in the development of DVD technology means that we are well equipped for the market transition from DVD to HD-DVD," added Sally, who also serves as Vice-President for the Digital Entertainment Group. "With proven backwards compatibility and real software titles available at launch, we are certain that we can deliver the very best solution in HD-DVD technology for both consumers as well as the content providers."

In December, Toshiba and other HD-DVD backers formed the HD-DVD Promotion Group to promote the format, and to ensure early product launches and subsequent market penetration.

Other pros and cons seem to bleed together as both formats offer similar features. For example, while HD-DVD touts the ability to create discs with red-laser standard DVD format on one side and blue-laser HD-DVD standard on the other, a Blu-Ray Disc Association spokeswoman points out that JVC announced in December a disc that allows both standard DVD and Blu-Ray content on a single side of the disc. The Blu-Ray camp has argued that single-sided discs are more consumer friendly.

The Pricing Strategy

In the vital area of picture quality, both formats also have a difficult time differentiating between one another. "Either format can produce a very good image," says Richard Dean, director of technical business development at THX Inc. "To me, it boils down to the price of the equipment and the availability of content."

Dean, who has helped master the DVD releases of the Star Wars trilogy and other blockbuster movies, says that consumers won't notice any real quality difference between the formats. But he says HD-DVD may end up with an advantage if it can under price Blu-Ray discs and players. "I think that's going to play a very large role." As for Blu-Ray's greater storage capacity, "more space is always an advantage," Dean says, "but the question is how much more space is really needed." Notes Parsons: "If you start doing HD bonus features, it will suck up capacity very quickly."

Intel executives, who first got involved in the working groups for next-generation DVD formats to help avoid a format war, already are bracing for an era of consumer confusion as a Blu-Ray-vs.-HD-DVD scenario takes shape. "We didn't want two formats coming out," says Balogh. "Now we have an even standoff, so neither side wants to compromise whatsoever." Making matters worse, he says, the entertainment studios also are split between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, although more big studios have backed HD-DVD at this point.

"The studios will be the kingmakers here," he says. Ultimately, consumers may struggle to figure out what kind of players and media to purchase during the next couple of years. "The most important benefit to the consumer is that the HD-DVD players that we'll be introducing to the market this year will be fully backward compatible with the current DVDs that are already in consumers' homes. With the Blu-Ray formats' backward compatibility isn't so simple," adds Sally.

Still, many are wary. "It would be best if we went to market without two formats," says Panasonic's Doherty. "We're very disappointed that we're in a format war." As the battle heats up in 2005 and well into 2006, consumers will decide which format will succeed.

no way am i reading all that

i broke down and read it


those are some huge names in the business right there david, metro-goldwyn-mayer is gigantic in the film industry

i must say that HD-DVD does have some big names too in the film industry.


i don't know, it will be interesting to see who wins it

It is like to buy two movies!!!

Which movies is better on Hd Dvd vs Blue Ray. If you decide to buy a Movies of Star Espidose III

I heard the New Dvd generation starting price a whopping 1000 bucks when It is release!!!

What is going to happen Our Old Vcr!!!

Wow oh my god 1000 dollars for a new dvd generation player

i am afraid to say VCR is going to be dead david. may our players rest in peace.

and 1000 bucks for a launching price isn't all that bad, VCR started out extreamly high too, same with DVD players, they will go down in price

How much a vcr cost when it start in 1980!! I was only a baby

i don't know how much they cost in 1980, but i think it was around 1000 bucks, which was a lot more in 1980 than it is now.

Beta max and VHS in the early 80's were about 800.00 a peice. I know because my mom bought one of each as some movies were not available in beta format and vice a versa.

Is your mom still alive!!

Mystical are you buying both Dvd Format!!! Hd dvd vs Blue Ray!!

Does your mother gotta see again this since She seen another Format wars in her life!!!

Yes David my mother is still alive (thank god) And I really dont think she cares if there is another format war.

As far as what I have. Right now I can play anything. I dont see that changing as we always get the new game systems when they come out / or soon there after when the price drops.