I'm still a member and waiting for my payout which I requested in January. Does anyone know what the new Webmaster is doing all day?

we can say the site is died

I dont think it has died yet! I received $10 payout in my Pay Pal account just a couple of weeks ago. Yes, they are slower than they used to be and yes they undoubtedly have problems but they are paying.

They payed me $20 last week; but I did request on November 29 so it took some time. I actually didn't know what to expect when they changed the ownership but I continued clicking some links here and there to stay active just in case.

I also redeemed for another $20 the same day I got paid, but I think the wait for those money will be at least as long as last one.

I think the new owner is doing his best to catch up, but You should be prepared to wait a while.

no?! 5 months delay on payments and isn't misty died?!
people like wasting their time to get $10 in 6 months
you'll get much more asking a penny to your frineds

No, Misty&Sams isn't dead. But it is in a bit of a mess at the moment. Payments are about 6 months behind, and its going to take a long time to get caught up, if they ever do.

Basically, the program was mismanaged, and the owner doesn't have the money to pay what he owes. He says he's got a plan that will get M&S back on track, but estimates it'll take two years. Personally, I think that estimate is too optimistic, but I don't really know because Peter refuses to provide members with the information necessary to make those kinds of determinations.

And to me, that's the heart of the matter. If his plan means its going to take years to get caught up, then I think Peter needs to consider two things. Either he needs to accept the fact that a LOT of members aren't going to wait that long, and that if he ever does get M&S back on track, he may have a program with only a few hundred or maybe a few thousand members. I just don't think its very realistic to think that 16,000+ are going to hang around reading and clicking if it takes too long to be paid.

And if he doesn't want that to happen, then he needs to try to come up with a way to keep members involved in the program. Honestly, I have no idea what might do that. It seems to me most PTR members are interested in making money -- if they want to view ads for free, they don't need to join PTRs to do it. But maybe he can find a way to keep members active and interested in M&S despite the fact that they won't be paid in a timely manner.

At this point, however, it seems that, other than the money currently in their accounts, M&S members don't have much reason to hang around. There's nothing particularly unique about M&S -- it's pretty much like most other PTRs. So why read ads and click links at M&S, hoping they might get paid in 4 or 6 or 8 months, when they could be using that time to read and click in other programs where they'll be paid quickly, with no hassles?

At the moment, I'm waiting on a payment I requested in early Dec. I've been clicking enough to remain active, but that's about it. Basically, it comes down to the fact that I have better things to do with my time.

Good luck,

Wil

What is the last payout date completed now? Are they still paying November requests? If they haven't finished with November by now, I don't think you'll ever see your money. They've been paying November for at least 4 months.

It would be interesting to see what kind of click rate they now have. And how much advertising they're selling these days. If people knew this type of information, they might have a better idea of when they should expect payment. But everything is a secret there these days and nobody hides good news in PTR.

At the beginning of april they were almost through the november payout list.
Its now the middle of may and they are still almost through the november payout list. Do I need to say more???
Recently it takes them a month to do one day of payments.
They will turn out just like AYS, in 2006 they will still try to pay out december 2004 requests. Noone will ever see their january 2005 payments trust me.
Move on people, this program is dead and buried, Peter is now only continueing because he earns easy money from the program. And I cannot blame him.

If what you say is true, why can't you blame him? Do you think it's OK to run a program that has no chance of paying people? If someone does that it seems like fraud to me.

Peter says he has a plan that will turn this site around. Nobody seems to know what that plan is because he's not telling anyone. I can't imagine that very many people will continue doing all those site support clicks and doing all those searches without more information. If Peter doesn't trust his members enough to tell them what's really going on, why should he expect them to trust that he'll pay them? Or that he even has a plan that will work?

his silence about his Masterplan to save M&S tells athousand words. Last night i had a vision about Peter sitting on a pile of money with a mean grin on his face, laughing hard, and the sky was all dark. Don't know what he was laughing about, but must be funny though.
Anyway, i'm still a member and click my way through because i'm an optimist. Hope never dies.... or so

It took about 5 months for my payout and I requested on Nov 26th. I got paid sometime in April, can't remember the date. I've mostly lost all hope in M&S

Those lucky ones who get paid will quit, or hangout for redemptions.
Click thru rate will drop as many are just waiting for payment.
If they program will sustain 6 month payment period it will turn into quiet small program with 1500 members clicking just for ads..

Probably right!

More payouts were done on May 9th.

Sailinshu - sure miss your comments on the forum. The place is pretty quiet now.

Apparently someone didn't appreciate my comments very much! I did write to them and ask what prompted them to ban me. And I asked where payouts were, since I'm no longer privy to that information.

As usual, I got no answer. Well, they said they didn't know why I was banned and they told me to look at the forum to see where payouts were. Of course, I am not allowed to look at the forum and that was why I asked!

I did see an admin email from the site today. You'd think this was the best PTR site in the world if you didn't know any better. All that positive news just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. That and 5 cents is worth about a nickle to me...

Just read today admin update mail !!!

http://www.mistyandsamforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5676

AWESOME !!!

M&S will have Payout Queue like polar PTR !!!

And many many many others things...

I belive misty and sams will be back on track soon !

Maybe i will upgrade my acount at M&S because M&S will have a "Automatic Submit Upgrade Ads" on the member menu ! Much more easy !

And misty and Sams will have Paid to promote page

Gotta love that optimism! An upgrade sounds just perfect for you.

It is good to see that the ownership at M&S has finally stated their plan for getting this site "back on track". After the way they've acted over the past 4 months I won't be clicking any links beyond the one I have to click every 20 days until I get paid. Promises are nice, if you've shown that you can keep them. One admin mail that paints a rosy picture isn't showing anything.

The time will say !

The time will say? Huh???

Are you telling me that the time hasn't already said something? We've been waiting 6 months for payments and you get one admin mail saying some changes will be made and that's cause for celebration? If these moves were so good, why did it take 6 months to make them?

We still don't know if/when we'll ever get paid. And that payout thing will likely not give us any more info than we already have. If it's like the other ones I've seen, it will only work for NEW payout requests and will not kick in until the old requests are completed. Since it's taken 4 months to finish less than 2 weeks of payouts, don't expect that to happen any time in the forseeable future.

The time will say? Time has screamed and some people don't want to listen.

Look for example Charmed cents !

5 monts behind in payouts...

The members recive any mail with some great news lately ?

The only new i recive is...Im sory i don?t can pay fast!

Sorry. I don't follow your logic.

You use another horrible site as an example? Do you realize how many PO's have made claims that they WILL PAY when they were very far behind? And do you know how many times these PO's just ended up abandoning their sites or giving them away to other unscrupulous people?

The fact that you belong to a site that is worse doesn't make this site any better. Maybe you should join sites that pay? There are quite a few of them that pay well within TOS. Once upon a time, M&S actually paid within TOS.

Who knows? Maybe some of these moves will do the site some good. Wonder how long that will take? The owner said 2 years in one of his posts and that's too long.

Well...I already put it on site inbox only, redeem for ads and forget abt it...

BL4CKIC3, when you said something as positive as this one I can't help but ROFLMAO, I think the word is disillusion...???

Edited to add:

And they will have PTP?? Meaning more people will reach payout faster??? Gosh...they will pay all that with what?....I know...your upgrading money ofcourse good for them!!

I get paid online


But don't deal with these shady midnight opperations.

was quite a surprise this newsletter, and it's better to have some things going instead of dead silence by the webmaster.
The payout problem is nevertheless not a matter of having no time to make payouts, but a matter of not having any money in the box.
But as someone said - time will tell

Well I've read over the latest Admin email and had a look at some of the new changes, and I guess the big question is -- will it be enough to make a significant difference?

Will M&S be able to continue to attract advertisers? Will it be able to keep members interested and active in the program? I dunno.

The new advertising options are looking good. I definately prefer to advertise at programs that have that targeting plug-in script. It seems there may be a few bugs in the M&S price calculator (I've posted in the member support forum, but haven't heard anything back yet) but hopefully having that plug-in will encourage more people to buy targeted advertising.

I'm thinking about buying (or redeeming for) an ad myself, but I dunno -- I generally don't buy ads from programs that are behind on payments. But on the other hand, how are they going to get caught up if nobody buys an ad, right? I'll have to think about that one some more, I think.

Then it still comes down to whether its good value for the advertisers. After all, Peter has to raise his prices some to earn enough profit to not only cover the cost of the ad, but a bit extra as well, to pay off the debt. So will advertisers want to pay that higher price? Only if the results are worth it, I suspect.

The next thing on the list is the new redemptions. Looks pretty good, as long as the member is careful. Some of the redemption prices are higher than the regular prices, others are lower, and many are the same. Of course I guess it only matters if you believe that "earnings" have the same value as "real" money. If you're redeeming because you don't think you'll ever get paid in "real" money, then I guess it's not that much of an issue.

The next new thing is for upgraded members. I haven't upgraded, so I don't know what it's all about, and can't comment much. Other than to say it seems weird that first he took things away from the upgraded members, and now he's giving a bit back. Reminds me of the government.

Next is the announcement of point auctions. You can buy things (ads, referrals, etc.) with your points. I guess it'll depend on how it all works out. I don't see how it helps with the $ debt, but if their not careful they could create a point debt as well.

Then he announces that soon there'll be a Paid to Promote section. Very original. I've been thinking for a while now that there weren't enough PTPs in this business.

And the last annoucement is a teaser for some new contest that's a secret for now. A contest where members can win a jackpot and help reduce the program debt -- without spending any money themselves. Should be interesting.

I give it to Peter. He is trying. I don't know if the things he's trying will actually work, and I'm not sure what he's got in mind if they don't work, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Cheers,

Wil

I have make some profit with the last serch target advertise

110 clicks and 22 serches !

For example with the same SE in Polar PTR i get 400 clicks 48 valid serches

Its a very good Idea because the auction put the members interested in some points !

After the point auctions what you can make with points ? Only redem for Manual surf...

But nobody surf or click in point ands because nobody whant points !

Today im colecting all points to buy some Auction !

The fun is back to M&S

You bought a targeted search ad and got 110 clicks? Was that targeted to all search-approved countries, or did you go for the US & Canada only option? And was it a solo or shared ad?

Because when I targeted members from all search countries with search as an interest, the scripts said there were over 6000 in the target group. 110 out of 6000 possible clicks seems a bit low to me. That's less than a 2% clickthrough rate.

Still, I guess if you're happy with the "support" you received as an advertiser, that's all that matters.

Cheers,

Wil

Edited

Their still paying as far as I'm aware and I received my cashout two weeks ago. In fact today I received a lengthy email about new implementations Peter is intending to make. Have a read below:

Miss Prestige
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Hi all,

please understand, this mail is sent to all, and is not aimed at anyone
in particular unless clearly stated otherwise.

Well, it has been a while since my last update to y'all, but do I have
some news for you :-)

There's so much I want to tell ya, I have no clue where to start, but
here we go....

First update, Positive:

FINALLY we did it, we have the NEW advertising page ready, and it is up
and running right now.
You might want to have a look at it, cause there are a shipload of
advertising options available, and even a whole lot new ones too ;-)

Why this new advertising page was so important to us you say?

Because of two things, first, the prices on the old page were
sustainable, but only "on the edge" the new prices are completely sustainable
and covering every single click on any type of ad, and on top of that
creating income for the site to help catch up with payouts.
Second, this page is running on a totally different script, which has a
load of great features, for both the advertiser, aswell as us being on
the other side of it.
The extra options for the advertiser, they can target to ANY interest
or ANY country they like, the ads are completely free in choice, meaning
the advertiser can target exactly those members he/she wants, and will
not have to pay for members that he/she is not interested in!
The extra option for us, it helps making the processing of orders a
whole lot easier for us, meaning we will spend LESS time on processing the
orders, meaning we have MORE time for other things on the site.

So go have a look, i'm sure you will like it, and ofcourse feel free to
order something ;-)
http://www.mistyandsamscash.com/pages/advertise.php

Second update, Positive:

We have completely redone the redemption page too!
The redemption page uses the same script as the advertising page now,
meaning we will have even less time to spend on ad processing, and even
more on other things.

The redemption page is not 100% complete yet, but all the missing
options will be added to it within the next few days.

Go have a look, and same as on the advertising page, feel free to try
it with a little order
http://www.mistyandsamscash.com/pages/redeem.php

Third update, Positive:

We have created a page especially for the upgraded members.
This page will make it possible for the upgraded memebrs to submit
their ads with one click, and the page will tell them what ads they still
have to use for the month, and once the new month starts, the monthly
options will be added to the page automatically again.

One more thing about the upgraded memberships, which is GREAT news,
some levels have received some EXTRA monthly benefits added to their
upgraded level, making it MORE attracktive to be upgraded!
These extra bonus ads will be added to the goldmemberships page so
members that consider upgrading can see them too, it will be done as soon
as possible.
The current upgraded members will already have those options added to
their page, and those members that have already submitted ads for may,
which have been processed already, YOU are lucky!
We have decided to reset EVERY upgraded members monthly ads, so EVERY
upgraded member can go to this page and use their benefits again, wether
they were used or not!

Here's the link for the upgraded members:
http://www.mistyandsamscash.com/pages/upgraded.php

Hmm, something wrong with us? Three updates and ALL positive?

But wait, there's more...

Fourth update, Positive:

You may have already noticed, there is a NEW link in your account,
called:
Bid On Items With Your Earned Points!

Now, the name kinda already gives what that link will bring you, but
i'll explain a little anyway ;-)

If you click that link, you will be taken to the members forum, to a
section in which we place auctions.
Now these auctions are not for cash, nor for cash earnings, nope, these
auctions are ONLY to use your earned points, YAY finally another option
to spend all those points you have been saving up in your accounts.

In this auction section we will place items, like advertising,
referrals, and even CASH.

YES, this means you can bid with earned points on CASH in your
Paypal/E-gold accounts, or on getting some referrals in YOUR downline,
everything is possible, and you DON'T want to be missing out on this.

Make sure to click that link each day to see if new items are listed,
and have fun bidding.
Here's the link so you can check it out right away without going to
your account first:
http://www.mistyandsamforum.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=25

Fifth update, Positive:

YES another GREAT update for y'all, and this one you will LOVE for
sure.
Within the next two weeks, MistyandSamsCash will get it's own
PaidToPromote program!
More details on this will follow soon, but we could not resist
informing you about this GREAT upcoming event.

Sixth Update, Positive:

Will all this positivity ever end? Not if we can decide ;-)

In the next few weeks, we will be setting up a contest for all of you.

Now this will not be an ordinairy contest, no, this one will be HUUGE.

It will work two ways, BOTH positive.

First part, it will create revenue into the site to help catchup on
payouts, without YOU spending a dime!

Second, YOU will have the chance to win a JACKPOT!

How high this jackpot will be? There is NO limit on it!

The more members participate in the contest, the HIGHER the Jackpot
will be!

More info on this one will follow soon, so keep your eyes peeled here
at M&S ;-)

Now that's all for the updates in this admin mail, I think we had quite
some news for y'all.

Ofcourse ONE thing is missing in this admin mail right?

The payouts status...

Well, we are working on several things to make the payouts speed up,
one of which is the contest above, but that is not all we are doing.

In the next period, we will put up Ebay auctions regularly, these will
bring in revenue, and thus help us catch up faster.

Also, the money generating things we added to the site are starting to
pay off, so that will help speed up a little too.

Also the new advertising, redemption, and upgraded memberpage will have
us have more time to spend on processing payouts, so that will help
speed things up too!

And last but not least, we are working on a script that will make it
possible for ALL members that have requested a payout, to see EXACTLY
where they are in the wait line.
The great thing about that page will be that it updates in REAL TIME,
so ANY payout made, or ANY request removed from the queue for whatever
reason, will immediatly make the whole list move.

Keep your eyes peeled once again, cause more info on this will follow
soon too.


Well, I think I have covered about anything I wanted to be covered, so
this is the end of this admin email.

THANK YOU for taking the time to read this!
THANK YOU for supporting the site and our advertisers!
THANK YOU for staying with us during these tougher times!
THANK YOU to those that have clicked the donation buttons on your
redemption page!

Or in short:

THANK YOU FOR BEING AN ACTIVE MEMBER WITH US!

Have a GREAT day, and see you all soon again.

PLEASE keep in mind that you can ALWAYS send an email to
support@mistyandsamscash.com no matter what the question is, cause one
thing is sure:
There are NO stupid questions, only stupid answers ;-)

Oh, almost forgot one thing, in the near future we will add LIVE help
to the site on different sections, being the advertisingpage, the
redemptionpage, and the support page.
This means that you can ask your question to us LIVE and get a DIRECT
answer when one of us is online.

Just another GREAT thing coming to the site especially for YOU.

Ok, i'll stop now ;-)

Once again, have a great day and see you soon

Sincerely
Peter

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And targeted to canada only...495 members

Cost me 0,66$

Until now 110 clicks 22 valid serches [ 1$ ]

0,34$ of profit...

The and expires 05/17/2005, 385 mails remain to be open

But the balance is positive !

Whew! Ok, that sounds better! I'm not a search advertiser, so I don't know if 20-25% clickthrough is considered good or bad -- with most of the ads I've bought at various PTRs, I've received anywhere from 40% to 75%.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Cheers,

Wil

I love this new target advertise !

Much bether results !!!

But look i recived many valid serch...

Why you need 100% ctr if the members not serch ?

I do too! In wish every PTR had that plug-in script, because it's getting to the point now where I really prefer using it. I almost always target my ads, and back in the Dark Ages that meant emailing the PO asking how much it would cost to target Group X, Group Y and Group Z, then emailing again with a copy of the ad and a reminder of which groups were targeted, etc. etc. etc. And that was when the PO could be bothered targeting. I can't count how many times I'd email asking about targeting and never hear back.

Cheers,

Wil

As I said, I don't do search ads, so for me it isn't about valid searches. Depending on what I'm advertising, I'm looking for signups, for sales, and sometimes just for exposure. For exposure, I look at the clickthrough rate and my log files to help determine whether a particular ad purchase was good value or not.

Cheers,

Wil

If you whant CTR try limited click and

It's good to hear that M&S is still a good place for some advertisers. Hopefully this will translate into being a better site for its clicking members. Peter appears to be trying, so there's probably still hope. It appears that this will be a long-term correction and more changes will probably have to be made, so it would be nice to see him continue to be proactive.

I've heard from Peter about the banning he put on me. I won't get into the details because I don't think it's right to share private information on a public forum. But it appears I won't be back on the M&S forum any time soon. I just couldn't submit to his requirements for membership. I do believe that he should post these requirements for all members to see.

Peter is trying to get it back on the track
So I think it should not be like scams sites
Usually their w-ms don't care much about the fate of their sites

If the result is the same -- members don't get paid -- does it really matter?

Cheers,

Wil

Just quit out from the site,no other words to say

I think they should lower their referral levels or find ways to conserve bandwidth (less emails). I have heard they aren't too bad for advertising.