On Feb. 10, I played an E-gold game run by GoldMachines - http://goldmachines.com/home.asp . They also have a paid-link program called Click4Cash.

I noticed later, as I was waiting for the payout, that their script had gone haywire. So I sent them an E-mail warning them of this. Here's an exact copy of the letter sent Feb. 10, 9:29 PM EDT to them:



In otherwords, I warned them about a haywire script. Anyone asking for a copy of the original E-mail will have one sent to them.

Do you know what I got for this?

First of all, I made four bets and was not paid payout for one of them. So I sent them two letters asking after the payment, one a general inquiry. Here's an exact copy of the most recent one I sent (the general inquiry) and what I got back:




What this implies is: in exchange for warning them (early) about their bug-ridden script, I've been pegged as a "cheater."

I don't know how this issue will turn out; I started this post in part because I'm angry about having my hand bitten off by the GoldMachines crew when I helped them out. All I will say at this stage in the game is that evading blame for a poorly-coded script means that other script mistakes will not be prevented from happening again.


- Daniel M. Ryan

If you have previous emails that you sent to them, keep hold of them... If you find your e-gold account suddenly limited, then get onto ddu@e-gold.com or call egold... let them know you informed that site of the problem and they refused to listen, then labled you a cheater... When you send the emails to egold, if they ask for them, make sure you send it with full headers, that way they will have a Reference line, which will point that it came from your computer.

The same with the email you got from them, it will have a reference line within the headers...

My E-Gold account is empty right now, thank goodness. So I haven't had a chance to see whether or not it's been limited.

As far as the E-mails are concerned, I'll keep them all. I don't know how far this has spread; that response was obviously not directed to "me". I suppose that's the only way you can find out about possible backtalk on the Internet: pretend to be a neutral party and see what they say about you.

It's a shame this has happened to you..
Sometimes it's just not worth it to be nice to people.

Here is a copy of the letter written earlier. At this point I am not sure what to believe-I was robbed because the database was left in a web folder, and it appears that this particular account was the ONLY one that had ANY problems that I am aware of. We had a large ammount of bets over a 2 day period-the only ones duplicated were these particular ones.

I went to pay the original bets, and lo and behold-my egold account was empty! These games are designed to break even on my choice, but I had to go back and pay several people out of MY pocket.

If you had a case weith a massive ammount of bets from one person, the rest verifiable, and your account was empty when the password was in your database for autopay-what reaction would you have? I have no problems paying people-never have-but the account in question seemed a bit suspicious.

Definately understandable to have suspicions.
Maybe a different way to deal with it is to let the person know that payment has been temporarily put on hold so that you can investigate the multiple transactions.

Just a thought...

I actually was going to paraphrase the letter which DarkElf reproduced. If you're interested in why I raised a ruckus, it's because I've been blamed for a few too many things (earlier) which weren't my fault.

Of course, I'm not alone in this; Fred Durst made a lot of hay slagging backstabbers.

This really looks like a situation where the programmer-hiree tried to blame "an outside hacker" for what was a lousily written script. Anyone coming from an office knows that this kind of politicking is impossible to stamp out. I should also make it clear that DarkElf has said that [he/she] was not the programmer.

So I'll wait.

I just got a letter from the owner of Treasure E-mail that might be relevant to the above mess:



It looks like the GPTR industry and other allied endeavours is being "hit."