savash
Mar 21 2005, 03:07 AM
sign up to more than 15 manual surf sites,
spend 4-5 hours everyday to manual surf those sites to gain credits.
spend those credits to a popular PTR site's PTP pages,
spend 2 months with above conditions.
and that popular PTR site deletes you with a reason of bad turing numbers.
even though you dont use any cheat software..
how sad..
thats what wolfemails did to me. I was promoting that site for at least 15 manual
surf sites, and 5 ptr email site's redemptions.
good-bye wolfemails, thanks for wasting my time.
you could at least warn me about bad turing numbers, or write to TOS.
rain33
Mar 21 2005, 04:54 AM
QUOTE(savash @ Mar 21 2005, 08:07 PM)
you could at least warn me about bad turing numbers, or write to TOS.
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While turing numbers aren't specifically addressed as far as I can see, I believe this part of WolfEmails TOS would cover excessive bad/incorrect turing clicks.
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Should any instances of fraud, system abuse, or any type of activity deemed to be inappropriate or illegal by Wolf Emails be detected it may result in member termination and possible legal action.
savash
Mar 21 2005, 05:14 AM
I guess my bad turing results are from wolfemails manualsurf section.
Sometimes those 2 images (total 4 numbers) doesnt match. some images doesnt download and wiev. I have to click randomly to next page.
But the main problem is I never get warned, just deleted. You could at least
put a counter on bad turing numbers, and I could see that there will be
a problem.
That turing number thing is just for catching the cheat software users,
but this time it catched an honest member who is not using that cheat
thing.
Also I didnt abuse anything, just clicked bad turing numbers.
In some sites there is a warning like this: If you click 10 times, you
will be deleted. and after you click wrong, it writes like this: If you click 9 times, you will be deleted. And then u can understand something going
wrong and be careful.
In wolfemails, nothing warned me, nothing... just deleted. My balance was around 4.90 usd cash, 6500 ptc points (2.70 usd), 1500 ptp (0,90 usd)..
all gone..
rain33
Mar 21 2005, 05:26 AM
It's a bit hard for me to comment further since I don't know exactly what WolfEmails based their decision on, but the only other thing that comes to mind is that while they don't use turing numbers on a regular basis, they do turn them on occasionally to catch cheats by surprise - not saying you are cheating, I'm guilty of the odd inaccurate turing click myself. If I remember correctly they turned them on for a few days about a week ago, so that may have contributed as well?
I don't often use the manual surf at wolf so I can't say I've had any problems with images & numbers not matching, but there is another site that I manual surf on regularly and I sometimes get images & numbers that won't match up, I usually refresh the page rather than click. I read somewhere that refreshing was better than just clicking any number if the numbers didn't match.
savash
Mar 21 2005, 06:39 AM
if I remember correctly, in 2 places I met with turing numbers at wolfemails:
1- Manual surf section (at every 20 or 30 secs, you have to click correct turing number)
2- PTC section (sometimes you see turing numbers, most of the time no turing number.)
At wolfforums, it says at March 3 bad turing numbers are cleared to zero, for all members.
And at 20 th of March, my acc deleted, with a reason of 113 bad turing numbers clicks.
In 17 days how can I click 113 bad turing numbers, whats the explanation for that? in which pages I clicked that, did my browser made an error? (autorefresh maybe) ... dunno...
what I know is, that "bad turing numbers" are for catching cheaters, and I did not cheat wolfemails, but I have been caught.
I DID NOT USED ANY CHEAT SOFTWARE, and I dont need that 7 or 8 usd that in my wolfemails acc balance, I was just a click addiction, wasted my time for that site.
WolfEmails
Mar 21 2005, 10:28 AM
Hi there,
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner, I was just directed here via PM from another member.
Savash, we did reset bad clicks on the 3rd of March, we typically do this once a month or so to give everyone a fresh start. Since that time your account showed 113 bad clicks.

As you can see from the SS above it shows your account with those clicks.
If you were having problems with numbers not matching, you certainly should have contacted us and let us know. Turing numbers are not unusual on sites and at most sites, excessive bad clicks will in fact have your account terminated.
savash
Mar 21 2005, 02:48 PM
wolfemails wm,
thanks for the reply.
But you did not said anything new, yes I might have clicked too many bad
turing numbers, yes 113 right, before your screenshot, I typed that number also..
What I wanted to tell u is, the logic behind that "bad turing number" is to catch
cheaters right?
but what happened to me? that "bad turing number" caught a honest member.
although u might not believe me I am honest or not, and believe your script,
please check how many point or cash I earned with "bad turing number" related
thing. (how many point or cash I earned via ptc, ptr, ptp, or manual surf?)
and see if I needed that many "bad turing number" or not.
sometimes scripts can not decide whether or not a member is honest or not.
wolfemails wm, I can give you my other 15 manual surf site's password and logins, you can login and see if I am honest or not, and see the credits I wasted on wolfemails ptp site. (can a cheat software do manual surf? pass trafficpods security checks maybe? )
briefly I didnot cheat and deleted from my favorite website, even though I never get warned.
how could I contact you, I did not even know that "bad turing numbers" were counting, not in your TOS, and actually I had no obligation to read wolf-forums.
WolfEmails
Mar 21 2005, 03:03 PM
savash
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I have discussed this issue with 2 other WM's who both have you in their programs as well, based on input from them, and the things you have said, we're reinstating your account.
You should be able to log in fine now
TishaReina
Mar 21 2005, 03:47 PM
Is this commonplace for you to discuss members with other program owners? This doesn't feel right to me that you contacted other webmasters about a member in your program.
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 21 2005, 04:03 PM)
I have discussed this issue with 2 other WM's who both have you in their programs as well, based on input from them, and the things you have said, we're reinstating your account.
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WolfEmails
Mar 21 2005, 04:11 PM
It's common place for WM's to discuss possible cheating.
NO personal information was shared, simply a case of "do you have this username in your DB and have they been a good member, there was a problem here and they seem sincere in their questioning"...so YES, I discussed this with 2 other respected WM's.
One of the WM in fact contacted me first, to say savash is a member with them, and a very GOOD member, which is what led me to review the circumstances and reinstate the account.
Was that not a better option than just using the information presented by his Wolf account ? I didn't have to do anything, there were bad clicks, end of story, but I tried to find out more information to make sure there wasn't an error of some sort.
TLA1973
Mar 21 2005, 04:33 PM
Like to give a big up to WolfEmails for reinstating this member upon checks with other programs.
See the complaint about Searching4Gold, i along with 4/5 others got kicked for mysterious turing number abuse.
Their decision was final and they didnt even want to look into it (despite the fact i was an advertiser and could have several webmasters vouch for my honesty)
Webmasters do have to take into account the time and effort it takes to do PTR, so bravo to Wolf!!
I do wonder if there is a problem with the script though, that shows turing #s.
Dice
Mar 21 2005, 04:46 PM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 21 2005, 09:58 PM)
Hi there,
Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner, I was just directed here via PM from another member.
Savash, we did reset bad clicks on the 3rd of March, we typically do this once a month or so to give everyone a fresh start. Since that time your account showed 113 bad clicks.

As you can see from the SS above it shows your account with those clicks.
If you were having problems with numbers not matching, you certainly should have contacted us and let us know. Turing numbers are not unusual on sites and at most sites, excessive bad clicks will in fact have your account terminated.
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Off topic. I wonder a member clicked 200+ bad turing numbers when your site has no turing number except in Manual Surf
owner_inboxgoodies
Mar 21 2005, 04:50 PM
I had honest members with bad turing because they can be hard to read sometimes. I made mine black on white and bigger.
WolfEmails
Mar 21 2005, 04:53 PM
In manual surf Dice, that's the only place bad clicks are possible.
Ours are large and clear at Wolf in the manual surf, and we dont' EVER delete anyone based on a few back clicks, accidents happen, but you have to admit the click shown were excessive by any standard.
cajunlady
Mar 21 2005, 05:16 PM
I think the OP's problem is explained in this sentence:
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Sometimes those 2 images (total 4 numbers) doesnt match. some images doesnt download and wiev. I have to click randomly to next page.
Looks like instead of refreshing the page he/she just clicked a random number and obviously guessed wrong a bunch of times.
Edited to add: I agree Rhonda did the right thing and kudos to her!
owner_inboxgoodies
Mar 21 2005, 05:16 PM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 21 2005, 05:53 PM)
In manual surf Dice, that's the only place bad clicks are possible.
Ours are large and clear at Wolf in the manual surf, and we dont' EVER delete anyone based on a few back clicks, accidents happen, but you have to admit the click shown were excessive by any standard.
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I LOVED the English test you had the other day.
aaronavouris
Mar 21 2005, 06:47 PM
QUOTE(savash @ Mar 21 2005, 08:48 PM)
wolfemails wm,
thanks for the reply.
But you did not said anything new, yes I might have clicked too many bad
turing numbers, yes 113 right, before your screenshot, I typed that number also..
What I wanted to tell u is, the logic behind that "bad turing number" is to catch
cheaters right?
but what happened to me? that "bad turing number" caught a honest member.
although u might not believe me I am honest or not, and believe your script,
please check how many point or cash I earned with "bad turing number" related
thing. (how many point or cash I earned via ptc, ptr, ptp, or manual surf?)
and see if I needed that many "bad turing number" or not.
sometimes scripts can not decide whether or not a member is honest or not.
wolfemails wm, I can give you my other 15 manual surf site's password and logins, you can login and see if I am honest or not, and see the credits I wasted on wolfemails ptp site. (can a cheat software do manual surf? pass trafficpods security checks maybe? )
briefly I didnot cheat and deleted from my favorite website, even though I never get warned.
how could I contact you, I did not even know that "bad turing numbers" were counting, not in your TOS, and actually I had no obligation to read wolf-forums.
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You're saying you're an honest member, yet you've lapsed on your responsibility to pay proper attention to advertiser ads 113 times in only three weeks?

michaellaskey
Mar 21 2005, 07:40 PM
So What... Just who do YOU think YOU are anyhow.. Cripes sake!!!
QUOTE(TishaReina @ Mar 21 2005, 04:47 PM)
This doesn't feel right to me that you contacted other webmasters about a member in your program.
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lennon2004
Mar 21 2005, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(michaellaskey @ Mar 21 2005, 08:40 PM)
So What... Just who do YOU think YOU are anyhow.. Cripes sake!!!

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That was a little harsh Mike..people are allowed to have opinions, aren't they?
Ayalara
Mar 21 2005, 07:43 PM
Not long ago I used the surf feature at Wolfs, too, and there really were wrong numbers with no matching pair...so I just closed the whole thing and decided for my own never to use it again...
TishaReina
Mar 21 2005, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 21 2005, 05:11 PM)
It's common place for WM's to discuss possible cheating.
NO personal information was shared, simply a case of "do you have this username in your DB and have they been a good member, there was a problem here and they seem sincere in their questioning"...so YES, I discussed this with 2 other respected WM's.
One of the WM in fact contacted me first, to say savash is a member with them, and a very GOOD member, which is what led me to review the circumstances and reinstate the account.
Was that not a better option than just using the information presented by his Wolf account ? I didn't have to do anything, there were bad clicks, end of story, but I tried to find out more information to make sure there wasn't an error of some sort.
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Sorry it took so long to get back on this. Actually, this was the answer I was hoping to receive. Those of us on this side of the program don't know what's happening on your side of things, unless we ask.
And I had no idea what a better option was until I received your answer.
michaellaskey
Mar 21 2005, 07:47 PM
Yeah your right.. Peope ARE allowed Opinions.. Hence the reason I voiced mine..
However for the Offended.. I apologize in Advance
QUOTE(lennon2004 @ Mar 21 2005, 08:42 PM)
That was a little harsh Mike..people are allowed to have opinions, aren't they?

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TishaReina
Mar 21 2005, 07:55 PM
QUOTE(michaellaskey @ Mar 21 2005, 08:40 PM)
So What... Just who do YOU think YOU are anyhow.. Cripes sake!!!

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I believe I am a member of Rhonda's program asking her a procedural question. Now, it's my turn to ask you who you think you are trying to restrict me from asking procedural questions regarding a site that you do not own nor manage. It seems to me this is none of your business, since your response adds nothing of value to my understanding of how Rhonda chooses to manage her site.
Any other rational questions you wish to ask me that might be related to this topic? If not, then don't address me with this nonsense. Save your intimidating remarks for people who are easily intimidated and bullied.
Have a good night
michaellaskey
Mar 21 2005, 08:02 PM
And Tisha had you been just asking a Question I would not have said BOO to or about you.. However The Below does NOT appear to be a "Question"
QUOTE(TishaReina @ Mar 21 2005, 04:47 PM)
This doesn't feel right to me that you contacted other webmasters about a member in your program.
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To me.. The above is a STATEMENT.. NOT a question

You see the difference
QUOTE(TishaReina @ Mar 21 2005, 08:55 PM)
I believe I am a member of Rhonda's program asking her a procedural question. Now, it's my turn to ask you who you think you are trying to restrict me from asking procedural questions regarding a site that you do not own nor manage. It seems to me this is none of your business, since your response adds nothing of value to my understanding of how Rhonda chooses to manage her site.
Any other rational questions you wish to ask me that might be related to this topic? If not, then don't address me with this nonsense. Save your intimidating remarks for people who are easily intimidated and bullied.
Have a good night

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sinnyboy
Mar 21 2005, 08:13 PM
QUOTE(michaellaskey @ Mar 22 2005, 12:02 PM)
And Tisha had you been just asking a Question I would not have said BOO to or about you.. However The Below does NOT appear to be a "Question"
To me.. The above is a STATEMENT.. NOT a question

You see the difference

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i know what you're saying michael, but Tishna did say
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it doesn't feel right to me
Tisha didn't say...
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it isn't right
see the difference? Tishna is just stating her opinion only. there is no need to be mean

~sinny
michaellaskey
Mar 21 2005, 08:19 PM
I know.. And I did Apologize in Advance.. Would have edited the post.. But it was already quoted.. I guess other than apologize theres not much I can do... Except... Err Shut up.. Maybe I should do that

Yeah.. I apologized.. Now I'll shut up
QUOTE(sinnyboy @ Mar 21 2005, 09:13 PM)
there is no need to be mean

~sinny
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sinnyboy
Mar 21 2005, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(michaellaskey @ Mar 22 2005, 12:19 PM)
I know.. And I did Apologize in Advance.. Would have edited the post.. But it was already quoted.. I guess other than apologize theres not much I can do... Except... Err Shut up.. Maybe I should do that

Yeah.. I apologized.. Now I'll shut up

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lol
cajunlady
Mar 21 2005, 09:19 PM
QUOTE(michaellaskey @ Mar 21 2005, 09:19 PM)
I know.. And I did Apologize in Advance.. Would have edited the post.. But it was already quoted.. I guess other than apologize theres not much I can do... Except... Err Shut up.. Maybe I should do that

Yeah.. I apologized.. Now I'll shut up

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Mike, I've got an idea for you. Before posting something like that, put it in an email to yourself. Open that email and pretend someone sent it to you. If it is something you wouldn't want to receive then it probably isn't something anyone else would want to receive either.
savash
Mar 22 2005, 01:19 AM
QUOTE
savash
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I have discussed this issue with 2 other WM's who both have you in their programs as well, based on input from them, and the things you have said, we're reinstating your account.
You should be able to log in fine now smile.gif
wolfemails wm,
thanks for wasting your time for me.
Today I succesfully logged into my acc, new emails came with no problem,
and my account was there without any loss. Thank you.
This shows your honesty to your members. I wasnt expecting this much.
Now my respect to wolfemails.com increased alot.
I will be more carefull abot turing numbers from now on.
WolfEmails
Mar 22 2005, 08:22 AM
Savash,
It was not a waste of my time

There was an error made and I did what needed to be done to correct it
Glad your account is working fine for you again !
myname
Mar 22 2005, 03:56 PM
QUOTE(lennon2004 @ Mar 21 2005, 08:42 PM)
That was a little harsh Mike..people are allowed to have opinions, aren't they?

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Good question...
I think this is THE question...
Looks like nobody can have an opinion here. (depending on the site you are talking about).
drjonah
Mar 22 2005, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(myname @ Mar 22 2005, 04:56 PM)
Good question...
I think this is THE question...
Looks like nobody can have an opinion here. (depending on the site you are talking about).

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so are you ever going to contact rhonda regarding your 'late' payout that you've supposedly been waiting 4 months for?
lennon2004
Mar 22 2005, 05:32 PM
QUOTE(myname @ Mar 22 2005, 04:56 PM)
Good question...
I think this is THE question...
Looks like nobody can have an opinion here. (depending on the site you are talking about).

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That is true..but see, we have different objectives here, I LIKE Mike, okay? It was a bit of a joke, because I know he often apologizes after harsh statements.
Please don't turn my statement into anything more than it was.
bhorton22
Mar 22 2005, 10:45 PM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 22 2005, 06:53 AM)
In manual surf Dice, that's the only place bad clicks are possible.
Ours are large and clear at Wolf in the manual surf, and we dont' EVER delete anyone based on a few back clicks, accidents happen, but you have to admit the click shown were excessive by any standard.
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WOW! Kudos to WolfEmails. A webmaster who ACTUALLY takes care of his members. I am always looking for genuinely honest programs to join and your will probably be the next. Congrats!
roadrunner
Mar 22 2005, 11:00 PM
The more I read about Wolf, the more I like it.
lennon2004
Mar 22 2005, 11:03 PM
QUOTE(roadrunner @ Mar 23 2005, 12:00 AM)
The more I read about Wolf, the more I like it.

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I agree...great program, great WM.
ptradio
Mar 23 2005, 02:34 AM
QUOTE(drjonah @ Mar 22 2005, 06:09 PM)
so are you ever going to contact rhonda regarding your 'late' payout that you've supposedly been waiting 4 months for?

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Maybe he will.. when YOU answer this:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...dpost&p=3235195
...and when YOU keep this promise:
QUOTE(drjonah @ Feb 14 2005, 05:45 PM)
and as far as my posts in the 'who hasn't paid you thread'......I think I'll quote a couple former members here 'just wait and see'
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By the way... Who is "rhonda"?...
Zombie Master
Mar 23 2005, 03:01 AM
QUOTE(ptradio @ Mar 23 2005, 07:04 PM)
Maybe he will.. when YOU answer this:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...dpost&p=3235195
...and when YOU keep this promise:
By the way... Who is "rhonda"?...

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If you dont know who Rhonda is then you arent a member of the site in question.
ptradio
Mar 23 2005, 04:17 AM
QUOTE(Zombie Master @ Mar 23 2005, 04:01 AM)
If you dont know who Rhonda is then you arent a member of the site in question.
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I NEVER said i was...
Zombie Master
Mar 23 2005, 04:49 AM
QUOTE(ptradio @ Mar 23 2005, 08:47 PM)
I NEVER said i was...

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Nope you didnt, but your friends seem to know so why dont you ask myname or Jose
WolfEmails
Mar 23 2005, 08:48 AM
oh oh oh I know who Rhonda is !!!!

Can I tell ?
rishi
Mar 23 2005, 09:01 AM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 23 2005, 10:48 PM)
oh oh oh I know who Rhonda is !!!!

Can I tell ?

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LOL
cajunlady
Mar 23 2005, 09:21 AM
QUOTE(WolfEmails @ Mar 23 2005, 09:48 AM)
oh oh oh I know who Rhonda is !!!!

Can I tell ?

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I know too but I ain't telling!

I'd rather see him guess.
WolfEmails
Mar 23 2005, 09:23 AM
QUOTE
I know too but I ain't telling! I'd rather see him guess.
* sigh * Ok, I guess I'll just keep the information to myself then
SuzC
Mar 23 2005, 01:34 PM
I hope other WM's follow this WM's example. Nothing is strictly black and white... there are sometimes other factors to consider.
Kudos to Rhonda and congrats to the OP..... I see that all the praises for WolfEmails are well deserved.
SusanC
davidbugs
Mar 23 2005, 01:57 PM
the only complain. I don't like the english cheat test as alternative for turning number??
I heard one person have a hard time to answer a very difficult english cheat test??
This person took him 10 minutes decide if she or she got the correct answer?
I want to see the english cheat link does not make question difficult. Not all english speaker are smart and some people are slow learner by taking a test!!!
lennon2004
Mar 23 2005, 02:06 PM
QUOTE(davidbugs @ Mar 23 2005, 02:57 PM)
the only complain. I don't like the english cheat test as alternative for turning number??
I heard one person have a hard time to answer a very difficult english cheat test??
This person took him 10 minutes decide if she or she got the correct answer?
I want to see the english cheat link does not make question difficult. Not all english speaker are smart and some people are slow learner by taking a test!!!
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Didn't you already make a post about this? And I believe that everyone in the thread agreed that the Wolf Emails thing was NOT difficult AT ALL if one understands English..
WolfEmails
Mar 23 2005, 02:48 PM
Ok, I've had enough of the complaints about this english test David...
Below is the english test in it's entirety, there are no "trick" questions, there is nothing difficult about it, it GIVES you the right answer, all you have to do is READ !
I don't mean to sound harsh, but if people can't read, then perhaps the Paid to read industry is not someplace they should be ! We pay members to READ advertisements, when they can't do that, it's a problem for me, and for the advertisers.
QUOTE
One of the requirements of being a member at Wolf Emails is the ability to read and understand english.
Our advertisers expect and deserve to have their ads seen and UNDERSTOOD by our members.
This is a simple english test...choose the correct answer from the boxes below to move on.
Should you select the WRONG box, your account will be deleted without question.
To continue on, just select the box that says 'wolf pack'
lennon2004
Mar 23 2005, 02:53 PM
Thank you Rhonda! Now people can see how simple it really was.
dpilker
Mar 23 2005, 02:57 PM
QUOTE(lennon2004 @ Mar 23 2005, 03:53 PM)
Thank you Rhonda! Now people can see how simple it really was.

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I agree when I saw it I laughed it was decently simple, even if you can barely read english you would get that one right. And trying to claim that people are bad testers or have ADD like you did in a previous post is a bit offensive, my fiance has ADD and hes a bad tester but he managed to get that question right, and hes not slow or stupid because of it, hes quite brilliant

. Nice job Rhonda researching the problem and reinstating the account!
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