I've been tracking my day-to-day commissions here, and each day they drop for each day period!

Anyone else see this?

I swear I had over 28 cents now its down to a measley 18..

i have already answered this here:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...=15&hl=cafefind

Thanks for the link.

I am still wondering though, when they do their audits, my earnings dropped on two or more seperate occassions for the same days.

It would seem that they would get all their auditing done at the same time, not have to audit multiple times. I lost about 15% of my previous days' earnings in the last 24 hours, in addition to other deductions made previously.

try emailing them - they are really helpful

I just quit cafe find for 2 reasons. One reason I had written on a few occasions about problems with my account when I had started - they never replied to any of my letters. Then this past weekend my business partner and myself were under attack by a cyber stalker who was seeking to sabotage or search accounts. So I wrote all my search engines - here is the letter

Please be advised that I have reason to believe I am currently the
> victim of a cyber stalker or will be shortly. Sounds crazy I know but
> true. Please have a look at my account for me as he has already abused
> my partners 1st zone account causing her to be expelled from the
> program and losing her earnings due to his fraudulant clicking on her
> search links. I have reason to believe that he has also gotten me
> banned from several other search engines too. We have already contacted
> his servers as of this evening. We know who this individual is, his
> host, ip, name.... Is there anyway for you to put my account on alert
> for this user. He is taking the links from forums in search exchange
> downlines. I do not want to have my account cancelled over this matter
> now or in the future so I felt it was best to inform you now rather
> than after the fact. Please contact me with all the information you
> require if you can do something about this. I have copies of the
> letters sent to his server, whois reports, numerous ip's coming through
> same server.... Thank-you in advanceuser id= Romeo
>
Romeo Styles


here is the 1st reply I received from CAFE FIND:

Cafefind terminates all accounts suspected of fraud. In most causes, we
simply filter out fraudulent clicks but if we find that an individual
account is responsible for such traffic, an account may be terminated
without pay.

sO i WROTE BACK:
Thank-you for your reply, however I am uncertain of what you are saying
> to me. Are you saying you are cancelling my account or in the event
> fraud takes place on my account you will cancel me? Why is it that the
> owner of the account would get cancelled when you have a tracking
> system that identifies the clicker who is performing the fraud?
> Should they not be the ones that you should go after? I only ask
> because my partner who got her account cancelled due to this individual
> has since gotten it reinstated. First zone did an investigation into
> the matter and identified the clicker who had placed some sort of
> automatic clicking device on her search link apparently. Thank-you
> Romeo Styles
>


hERE IS THE REPLY:
How would we know? What's anyone to say that they are doing the fraud
vereses someone else? Why would someone target you?

Fact of the matter is, anyone suspected of fraud would have their account
terminated.


SO I WRITE BACK AGAIN THIS TIME ATTACHING THE FORMAL COMPLAINT THAT WAS MADE AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN DOING THIS TO US.

I just wanted you to know that I have deleted my account from your
> program due to your inability to handle this situation without trying
> to accuse me of being a cheater. Below you will find the letter from
> the accused stalkers host where a complaint has already been filed.
> Maybe next time you will not be so quick to judge or so rude to your
> members who were trying to alert you of a situation.
>
I would like to report abuse made by a Customer of webtv.net by the name of (NAME EDITED), living in West Covina California I believe. This has been going on for over 2 months now and is not slowing down. The problem is getting worse and causing financial loss now as well as website downtime, much time is wasted by me trying to catch him and keep banning him.

Known ip's so far:

209.240.212.249

209.240.212.236

209.240.212.228

209.240.212.250

209.240.212.40

209.240.212.227

lawson-public-ipmux-2-pip-4.public.lawson.webtv.net

lawson-public-ipmux-2-pip-7.public.lawson.webtv.net

This person is abusing my websites by exceeding my bandwidth through malicious practices such as placing my websites on automated traffic generators.

He has posted rude messages at my 2 forums dispite beening warned and banned. Even admitted to doing fraud on a members search engine.

He has intentionally caused fraud to 1 member of my forum by repeatedly clicking on her pay per click search engine links, causing her to be banned from that program because of fraudulant clicks on her link -therefore also making her lose her earnings from this program.( she will also be contacting you NAME EDITED)

He has fraudulantly joined all my yahoo groups under various user names and email addresses.

He had fraudulantly joined some of my affiliate programs under different names that are not real.

This is the latest whois done this evening
Trying whois -h whois.arin.net 209.240.212.227
samspade.org/t/refer?a=NS-2001.PUBLIC.LAWSON.WEBTV.NET">NS-2001.PUBLIC.LAWSON.WEBTV.NET
NameServer: WTV-STAR-401.PAIX.WEBTV.NET
NameServer: NS-2002.PUBLIC.LAWSON.WEBTV.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1998-06-18
Updated: 2002-06-12

TechHandle: WH93-ORG-ARIN
TechName: WebTV Networks, Inc.
TechPhone: +1-650-693-0730
TechEmail: hostmaster@corp.webtv.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-02-21 20:00
# Enter ? for additional hints on ! searching ARIN's WHOIS database.




here are a few messages I have saved that I had to remove from our forum, however they are not the worst of them. I had no idea I would have to save them as I did not think this would continue.


I thought there was a funny message here!

Gee.

Mr. Playboy SITE ADMIN must have "removed" it.

That makes sense. We wouldn't want to violate the rules, or have a good time or anything like that.




Ah yes, the lets ignore him game continues. Not fair really. I'm just a regular guy.

See Ya,
NAME EDITED!


Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:55 am Post subject:

cmi under NAME EDITED

keyword second mortgages
clicked sponsored results
(0) pages
clicked next page nothing

please use

<http://cafefind.com/cgi-bin/click.cgi?id=westcovinajoe&keyword=worstwebsiteinhistory>
_________________

how to almost always avoid spam complaints! First, create a Yahoo or msn group with plenty of your links on the homepage and in the welcome and goodbye letters. Second, join tons of groups that have lots of members - don't get too sidetracked looking at the naked women. Third, advertise your "new group", not your referral links. Even the most ###### moderator will only delete your post or kick you out of the group. Finally, watch your referrals grow - I got hundreds of referrals this way before I even knew what I was doing. THESE ARE FOR NICE PEOPLE ONLY! IF YOU ARE A COMPLETE HAD TO "REMOVE FOWL LANGAUGE", OR INVOLVED IN "AUTOMOTIVE RESTORATION" DON'T USE MY TIPS. Last edited by edited name on Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:10 am, edited 2 times in total

Now he is coming on as a guest and stealing affiliate links to abuse them. I have blocked both the ip range and the server yet he keeps getting on.

Please look into this asap. This man is not only abusing me but he is abusing my partner and is cyber stalking us. This needs immediate action.

Romeo Styles


Thank you for writing to Abuse@WebTV.net.

We value your input. Your complaint will be investigated personally by one of
our Customer Service Representatives within 24 hours. Please note that we only
have control over WebTV users' accounts, not those of any other domain.

You will not receive another message from us unless we need more information to
further our investigation. Please understand that due to our privacy policy we
cannot report back to you about any action taken against WebTV users.

This is an automatically generated reply. Please do not respond to this e-mail,
as any messages sent to this particular address by using the "Reply To" function
are not read.



here is the final reply I got from Cafe Find

Your message shows NOTHING more than "your" accusations of someone.
Fact of the matter is, we NEVER accused you, NEVER shut down your account
and NEVER once suggested that something "may" be wrong.

You came to us. You signed up and if the case may be, it would be YOUR
account generating the traffic.

Fact of the matter is, we have to protect our website as well and if we
gave such an excuse to our content provider, they would shut us down.

Fact of the matter is, we have absolutely no way of determining who is
generating the bad traffic, even more so, we would have to ask why would
anyone even care.



So yes he is right I choose to delete my account but only because of his attitude, his kitty cat footing around the situation on the first 2 letters I wrote to him and the fact that if they do not have some way of tracing or tracking I surely do not want to be a part of such a program. Every other program I wrote to has worked with me on this situation and has been very helpful.

Sorry for the long post!!