April Gold sent this message to me after I made a post saying that she never paid me.
She replyed with:


And because I cant post this message back to her because her inbox is full or turned off, I post it here.

But in reality you have failed as a webmaster and have failed to pay and the new owner isn't going to pay us either. I cashed out in march 2004, thats nearly a year. Im sorry but you have failed. Webmasters like you are the reason this ptr industry is dodgy and the reason I have lost faith and interest in it.

irreponsable webmasters, scams, cheatters, whatsever... you are right, it's getting every day worst. like we use to say in my land "vou amarrar meu burro em outro lugar"" ("i'm going to tied my donkey into another place").

All this is so unprofessional that give us creepy...

Sorry for your money, bud... I was scammed too, twice, in a bit less than one month over here

Marcelo

berm

I sure know how you feel. There are a lot of programs that folded and took no responsibility for their actions and acted like their programs were a game. Just sell it or give the problems away to someone else. It is really sad to see as there are a lot of really honest programs trying to survive in this cesspool we call ptr.

Not all programs are run poorly or have ideas of that their members are not important. It is really sad to see that some think it is ok to say "Not my problem anymore"....

Ugh! The ads for Aprils seem to have started. I got the following ad in one of the programs I'm a member of this morning:

Oh.my dear. keep readind and clicking for more than one year to get nothing! just my luck.

You are so right priestes. Much to much of this going on, very sad!

I'm so glad I left Aprils when I had $15.
Some WMs just have no idea how to run a PTR properly...

I still havent decided what to do, members have got till end of Feb to make their choice out of the 4 wonderful choices. I certainly cant click another link I have clicked far to many as it is, maybe I should stay and seeings as the wm is now in Britain maybe I can check what the law is and see if I can hold him responsible. What I know of British law is the debt is only cleared if its a limited company but will go see what I can find out before I go unsubbing. Maybe another British person can enlighten me on this?

[quote]I personally owe you nothing because I no longer own the site. The NEW owner does and has agreed to assume the debt. [/unquote]

I usually don't react like this to a situation. But the things I want to say I can't because its inappropriate in this forum and to other members.

Who put the site into the debt its in I wonder? April!!!

She doesn't owe us anything because she no longer owns the site. PLEASE!!!

Spines are good to have, some people are spineless. Takes all kinds I suppose.

I'm still iffy about whether April is still involved in the site. I know she gave the site to Tony and nothing against Tony, but who's to say she's still not 'helping' to run AprilGoldsGPTR? . It wasn't sold. She says she's not involved, but why would she admit it when so many people are angry right now?

My thoughts.

avalon28

It might be difficult to explain to them but in the UK you could try the citizens advice bureau for free legal advice and see if a small claims court could be possible for individuals or see if you could even get advice on the entire concept of taking on the debt and only paying half of what is owed to each member, at some indetermintate future date only if you continue to work as a contractor for the company and if that might lead to a group case?

If anyone does try the CAB, it might be a good idea to take a printout of the TOS page and of the options, also state the difference in the TOS that members signed up under (under the old owner), point out that there are terms of unconscionability and adhesion in the contract and that the debts taken over came to approx $200,000 while the assets were around $200.

For a debt of around ?100 that would mean agreeing to ?50. I think the usual advice would be to take the ?50 if that was going to be put in your hand now, but I am not sure of the legality of agreeing to that when it also means you have to carry on working until the debt is cleared (it's not your debt after all, it's a debt to you). Then if the old contract is changed to agree to 50% or advertising or whatever, does that require the drawing up and agreement of a new contract for future work, can that even be expected under the old contract - it's like they are asking you to agree to close the old contract but at the same time to continue working under it, surely you cant do both? Or if the old contract was closed with 'fair' agreement by both sides, surely a new contract couldnt be agreed upon by saying you have to agree to this contract so that we will pay you what you are owed from the old contract? No matter which way you look at it, I cant see how they wouldnt be in violation of the contracts even if the contracts are legal.

Since here you can just go to the CAB and get referred to their legal team for free advice on employment and contract law I dont see the harm in someone at least finding out what the legal position is? At least it's only time you would be wasting and not hundreds more than you are owed on going straight to a lawyer?

I'm not convinced April is completely out of the picture either. Looks to me like she simply transferred the debt out of the country where it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for US members to collect. If just a few members brought her to small claims court it could cost her thousands of dollars. Her solution - "give" the debt to someone out of the country.
What I predict will happen is Tony will limp along for a few months with things as they are and the program will eventually close. After the hoopla dies down, April will re-emerge and start all over again with a new program and without a $200,000+ debt hanging over her head. I really don't think she is as naive or innocent as some would have us believe.

I know, isn't it awful, I'm not too trusting either, since april was such a GRAND liar!

I gave it all up when I couldnt even collect $5 from nilecash. What hope is there to get $75. not much. I never would have joined a site with such a high payout either, even $15 seems too much.
I figured overall if I was spending all my time chasing cents then there would be no time to chase real money. (dollars) I felt sooner or later an opportunity would come up and it was better to be free for that, and to keep my mind free too. But I do have other choices where I live.
As for the high payouts I felt too much could go wrong before collecting it. I hope the honest clickers find honest programs.

You could be so-o-o- right cajunlady.

I wonder how long it will be before she opens a new site. It must be nice to not have to worry about paying the people she owed. Has anybody seen her around since this happened? I bet we wont either. I just loved the way she said don't worry you will be paid.

No, but quite often when I'm checking this thread there is one lonely guest hanging out reading. Can't help but wonder who it is.

Hello,

I appologize for writing some words or even whole sentences in my post IN CAPITAL LETTERS. This is addressed to THE AWESOME APRIL, who, I am sure, reads these posts.

YOU, APRIL, HAVE FAILED AS A HUMAN BEING in the first place. FAILED AS A PERSON. FAILED AS A CHARACTER. FAILED AS THE COLLEAGUE (of other programs owners). FAILED AS A WEBMISTRESS too.

YOU LACK CERTAIN HUMAN VIRTUES, such as:

- HONESTY
- LOYALTY
- COMPASSION
- PITY
- BEAUTY OF A HUMAN HEART
- LOVE FOR OTHER HUMAN BEINGS
- RESPECT FOR THE OTHERS
- HUMANITY
- TOLERANCE

--and many others...



When a person who has stolen thousands of dollars and years spent on her program can reply to her ex member like this:
"I personally owe you nothing because I no longer own the site. The NEW owner does and has agreed to assume the debt.",

HER REPLY SHOWS A COMPLETE CRUELTY, NARCISM, EVILNESS AND LACK OF ANY MORALITY AND HONESTY.

You, April, have used us, the ex members, for your DIRTY ACTIONS. But, remember WHAT IS SAID IN THE BIBLE:

"If you have stolen some money then go and return it.

Just the other day on Sunday morning I was so happy to find that envelope with the message: "I would like to return the 300 Marks that I stole." I think that's fantastic! When someone doesn't just say in a cheap way, "Jesus, forgive me so that I can sleep better at night," but instead "Jesus, I hate my sin! Oh, God, I've hurt you! And Jesus, I want to make up for it." Only then is there real forgiveness and deliverance.

Do you know why so many people go around depressed? Because they don't have forgiveness of their guilt, because deep down they themselves know that they wanted to play tricks with God, that they only wanted cheap forgiveness without being cleansed from sin, and those two things go hand in hand. God forgives us and he cleanses us from all unrighteousness. God wants to break the power of sin in your life. And as long as you don't allow it, as long as you say, "Jesus, forgive me, but I'm going to keep on sinning. I'm going to do it again tomorrow." As long as it's not genuine, sincere, and real, then you have not received forgiveness of your guilt. And then depression creeps in. That's why so many Christians go around depressed. That's one reason, not the only one, but one reason why there's so much unforgiven guilt. And so you have people who have no testimony, no joy, no victory, no radiant faces, no shining eyes, no assurance of salvation. Those are those eternal Christian limpers, who bring more shame to God than praise."




ARE YOU SLEEPING WELL, APRIL???

WHAT HAS BEEN STOLEN, WILL NEVER BE BLESSED.

I got another admin email from the new "owner" of April Golds rip off site.

My choice is a combination of the choices. I would like them to give me whatever pennies on the dollar they will and then I would like to forget that I ever heard of April Gold's Den of Thieves website.

Doesn't April have another site that she was going to continue running? Isn't she still running that one, if there is another one?

Aprils golden ads i thought she was gon keep:
maybe im mistaken

woo knows?

who cares

april ruined her reputation .

I was asking about the other site, because people said they couldn't get a hold of April. Possibly, if she's still running the other site she won't be that hard to find if someone wants to take action against her, or keep an eye on her should she decide to open another site.

April, along with all the other hit and run PTR owners are scum. Incompetent thieves who take advantage of others. I was sick of her whining. The whole PTR industry takes a hit when somebody like April gets away with ripping people off. I feel scammed. April should feel ashamed.

Well least she tried. and came clean and didnt run away without sayin anythign.. for that she should almost be appluaded not..

but it could of been a lot worse..

How could it have been a lot worse? Everybody wasted there time and a lost a lot of money. Whats worse than that? And I don't respect April at all. You say at least she didn't run away without saying anything. Well big deal. Why should she have to run away without saying anything when all she has to say is this is the way its going to be and thats it. Members lose out and thats that. The so-called choices are ridiculous.

I'm not applauding april in fact I lost out nor do i think she deserves a pat in the back for anything shes done,...

Would you rather just go to the wbesite one day find it not working and not a word from here ever again

I mean sure it took a long time, but the truth came out.. did we wanna hear it no, but i mean no progress was being made..

A lot worse...

Continuing her lies, leading us on longer about the payout list getting shorter..

Personally I think she ran away. She came clean in the very beginning when she was going to keep the site, admitting defeat and asking for forgiveness. Then turned an about face and GAVE the site away then immediately started with the lies and "Aprilisims" again. "I gave the site away, so I didn't fool my AWESOME members over and over again." That's the New owners fault now. OH COME ON.

Everything that comes out of the woman's mouth is lies. AND the worst of it is, it appears she believes her own lies.

It is nice to see someone trying to make something positive out of this HUGE NEGATIVE Dark Spirit.

avalon28

Its in no way POSTIVIE.
Shes a liar yes,
She ran away without paying us members,
Yes I lost too..
So dont think I'm defending her
I'm ticked off as well..

I'm just stating..
Would you rather go to the site one day and it not work, and it never work again, not a word from her?

I don't know about anyone else, but I honestly would have preferred to have the site just up and disappear than for this farce to continue. As it stands now, the members left are going to be strung along indefinitely hoping that they'll eventually get paid when they never will.

If it disappeared
All hope is lost.
Not sayin there is much
But at least they might get somethin someday from a new oner
with a good heart to take on that **** aprils debt.

I was never a member of that site but given what has happened with it, I tend to agree with Cyber that maybe it would have been better for the site to have just disappeared.

There's no money; there won't be no money. Why waste everyone's time?

And like I said in the other thread, it's going to take a lot more than heart and nice words to pay everyone. And the reality of the situation is, IF Tony could somehow come up with nearly a quarter of a million dollars, why the ###### would he even be bothering with PTR in the first place?

That my dear, is the $200 000 dollar question!!

Somethings better than nothing

April didn't do ship.

I like to know why the heck someone would take over 200k in debt personally as well...

And I doubt everyone wil lget paid
If they do good..

But least it gives some people some form of hope in seeing something,instead of nothing when april was around.

I don't see why someone would take on a huge debt like that either unless they have no intention of ever paying it. Which wouldn't surprise me. I don't know about everybody else but I'm tired of waiting for "something someday".

I could see taking on a $200 000 debt IF

1) This was a HUGE revenue generator (it's not) with real profit potential

2) There was a client list of advertisers like Fortune 500 companies that were advertising real products and real services.

3) There was a REAL business plan in place on how to reasonably manage debt and generate new revenue streams

Not withstanding all that; I am just suspect. I just can't help from getting the mental image of vultures circling dead carcases waiting to pick them clean.

or make that the one PERCENT of $200,000

close er up - shut it down

lol, no matter how much i bite my tongue on this hot topic, i just cant, I personally think she would not have apologized if she was not pressured into it by many many many people.

ya know, this whole April thing is perfect reading for the National inquirer, or it could be a best seller book.

ok, slinking away now......

Because he had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of ever paying that $200,000 debt. He proved that when he offered, at best, to pay 50%. Someday. Maybe. If the site ever made enough profit.

AprilGold's is a headless chicken that deserves to be put out of its misery. Anybody that buys advertising there is helping a scam, and hurting all the honest programs that actually pay their members.

Honestly, I have to agree with Cyber. What April did was no better than doing a runner. And possibly no more legal. And at least if she had scurried off into the night, we might be lucky enough to be rid of her. As it is, she's still running a PTR!

And as for the new owner, he seems to be singing the same tune April did:

Same stuff, different day.

The way I see it, failure came the second he took on a $200,000 debt that he couldn't pay.

Why would anybody want to throw their ad money away trying to keep a headless chicken alive for a little while longer?

Cheers,

Wil

But its a false hope. Had she just closed it down and disappeared she would have had to close ALL of her sites and never shown her name in PTR again. So, in true April form, she transferred the debt out of the country, "says" she is no longer associated with the site and walks away scot free but still with her finger in the pie with her other sites. I was always suspicious of the "poor little naive April" act and this last stunt really convinced me. She knew exactly what she was doing and she did it very well.

I agree 100%!

The appologizing one day back to lying the next day. I think she's gotten it down to a "T" and will continue. Especially after getting away from this site not paying a penny.

I could say more, but I think I would be banned. If you've read any of my posts, you'd know how I truly feel about her.

Lisa

When Tony first took over the site he stated that April was part of the "team" that would be meeting make the major upcoming decisions.

I have yet to read that she finally found her way back to her ... eh nevermind ......

I haven't read that she isn't part of the "team" anymore.

Lisa

Some people never learn. Same thing was said about dania and annie-biz. An thousands of members never got paid. Same thing with betty bucks.
No good heart, no good motives. Only reason is to send support search ads to members and make money. Judging by past take overs members never see the cash. Only the take over webmaster and close associates profit from it.

How did she try? Selling ads way below cost isn't trying? How did she come clean?
When thousands of members knew she was not paying. An many a thread was created concerning this. How could it be worse? Every member was scamed!!

Yes, to bad she didn't do it 2 years ago.

Obviously, the new owner and the old team are not doing a thing about paying us. They probably just said they would, so we would buy ads and keep hanging on. There has been no word from anyone and I don't think there will be. One day, it will disappear completely. I think this is one of the worse scammers of them all. At least, I had money there and have never received one cent. We were offered 4 options, which I'm sure by now we all selected one. Another string along with me tactic for all us awesome members...LOL.

Hello, new owner, what's going on...care to step up to the plate and answer?

I stumbled upon something today and it relates to this situation perfectly. I am going to include the relevant link at the bottom.

PHOENIX COMPANIES:






Offences:






Okay, that is taken from this site: NEW ZEALAND MINISTRY INFO
But the point is that although it wasn't found on a US based info site I am willing to guess that the results of this transfer would be viewed the same in US law regardless.

My point is there are laws in place to protect consumers, creditors and stock/bondholders of companies from this sort of thing. Giving your business away in an effort to avoid your financial responsibilites is not just wrong, it is more than likely illegal. And from what I have read, it is entirely plausible that if anyone squacked loud and long enough someone would listen. This really isn't chump change we are talking about.

Bottom line, debt is debt is debt. If you buy/inherit the debt you owe the debt to the creditors because they can not suffer in this transaction. In this case, all $200 000 dollars of it....Not a fraction, not a third of it. All of it.

Wow, free site....Seems like a real bargain now, huh?

I just canceled my account with over $100 owed to me.

Did not feel as bad as I thought it would.

I am free

No longer in April's "AWESOME" prison..........

This new owner is never going to make this site fly, unless all the current members leave and they start over with all new people. I've seen this cycle too many times in the last year to think otherwise.