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daredevil_2010
Hi all. I'm interested in starting a new program. Not too sure how to go about doing this. Is there someone or some company that will set it up for me? How much does it cost?

I like sites such as Opt-in-Pays, Webewebein, Penniesbyemail, and CosmicWealth.
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 04:49 AM)
Hi all. I'm interested in starting a new program. Not too sure how to go about doing this. Is there someone or some company that will set it up for me? How much does it cost?

I like sites such as Opt-in-Pays, Webewebein, Penniesbyemail, and CosmicWealth.

Are you ahving a laugh?

I've just caught you cheating the downline thread THREE times and you want to own a site of your own?

After reading the crap you've been coming out with, I think there is only ONE web master that would touch you mate and we all know who that is, don't we?
kimberley49
You have got to be kidding. You have been cheating all over this board, and now you want to own your own program?

You're already cheating on here, there is no way I would trust you with my information as a program owner.

--Kimberley
daredevil_2010
Where have I been cheating? I've paid all the people in the Referral Exchange, and I haven't even been in the Downline builder in days. Don't tell me you're mad at me because I didn't know paidbizOpMail was "banned" by you??

You need to get a grip, Brian. Let paidbizopMail go.



I think you owe me an offiical apology, or i will report you to the authorities here to get you banned! You have been a major disruption to these boards with your ranting and ravings. Now you have made a personal attack that has zero merit.
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:11 AM)
Where have I been cheating?

You need to get a grip, Brian. Let paidbizopMail go.

Didn't I already tell you about not spreading lies about people?!?

LOL, try reading this thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...30&#entry336487

You have cheated the downline thread on THREE occasions:

WeBeWebin, LinkBurst and PaidBizOpScam

In other threads you said you've been a member of PaidBizOpScam for 3 months?

How come the date on the downline builder says you signed up a couple of weeks ago?

You said you've been a member of WeBeWebin and Linkburst for a month, the dates of your (supposed sign-ups) on the downline thread prove this not to be the case!

So you're either lying you butt off or you've cheated the downline thread, I think its the latter!

THEN

You have the cheek to say all those that were deleted by PBOM ARE cheats!!!

Now YOU need to get a grip, as you try to make out how clever you are, yet leave a trail of evidence behind you!

Oh and why are you moaning about 50 cent earnings on WeBeWebin, when you alledgedly have a job that pays a six-figure income?

I personally think you're in cloud cuckoo land myself and you need to take a reality check!

Seeya
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:11 AM)
I think you owe me an offiical apology, or i will report you to the authorities here to get you banned! You have been a major disruption to these boards with your ranting and ravings. Now you have made a personal attack that has zero merit.

Oh my god stop it, my sides are aching, lol...

Get real, if the "authorities" as you call them took a look at your trail of lies and cheating, you'd be kicked right off this board!
daredevil_2010
WRONG!

1) I've only been at PaidbizOpMail for several weeks. Notice when I signed up here? January 01, 2003. That's pretty much when I signed up for all that program. I signed up for the other programs in the following weeks.

2) You can contact any person above me in Linkburst and Webewebin and you'll see I am part of their referral downline. Go ahead and contact them. I DARE you. Better yet, contact the Program operator. I'm willing to bet any amount of money. You talk a tough game... are you willing to put your MONEy where your mouth is?

Any more "proof" that proves I'm a cheater? If not you better give me an official apology or I will complain to have you banned. i do not stand for 100% false accusations.
daredevil_2010
I'm waiting for my apology.

Finally, if this is the kind of "evidence" you have against PaidbizOpmail... I can see why you're getting no where. All your "proof" is total garbage. The logic of a 5 year old or of a ###### Which one are you?
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:26 AM)
WRONG!

1) I've only been at PaidbizOpMail for several weeks. Notice when I signed up here? January 01, 2003. That's pretty much when I signed up for all these programs.

2) You can contact any person above me in Linkburst and Webewebin and you'll see I am part of their referral downline. Go ahead and contact them. I DARE you.

Any more "proof" that proves I'm a cheater? If not you better give me an official apology or I will complain to have you banned. i do not stand for 100% false accusations.

WRONG

1) Then why have you constantly stated about PaidBizOpScam that

"I've been amember for 3 months and nearing cashout?"

So you're either lying or you cheated on the downline thread FACT NUMBER ONE!

2) If you check the WeBeWebin thread, the person 2 levels above you actually threw in a complaint that you'd skipped, luckily (for you) the webmisstress of WeBeWebin added you to the downline, pity she hadn't read what you've been claiming

I quote you:

QUOTE
I've been a member of Linkburst and WeWebin for about a month. I have about 6-7 referrals under me. I have about $0.50 each in the accounts. I click everyday!


How have you been a member for a MONTH as you say, when you supposedly signed up on January 19th (NINE days ago)

So you're either lying or you cheated on the downline thread FACT NUMBER TWO!

3) You also stated you'd been a member of Linkburst for a month, but in the downline thread it shows you joined on January 16th (TWELVE days ago)

So once again, you're either lying or you cheated the downline thread FACT NUMBER THREE!

So go ahead, report me, I'm sure Igwong would be interested in these few facts about yourself.

You started all this by claiming US to be cheats!

And you wanna know something, I haven't even reported you YET as I'm actually buzzing off the constant fantasies that you come out with!
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:33 AM)
I'm waiting for my apology.

Finally, if this is the kind of "evidence" you have against PaidbizOpmail... I can see why you're getting no where. All your "proof" is total garbage. The logic of a 5 year old or of a ###### Which one are you?

Yep mate, I'm the dumba$$ aren't I?

Sorry YOU'RE the one thats left a trail of evidence a mile long on this forum!
daredevil_2010
1) PaidbizOpMail - never stated I was there for 3 months. I only have about $13 in PaidbizOpMail. Nowhere near cashout. never claimed to be near cashout. I might have said when I cash out I'll see if they pay me.

2) Webewebin - I signed up correctly. IT WAS THE PERSON ABOVE ME WHO USED THE WRONG LINK. Get it right.

3) I stated that I've been using these programs for about a month. That is true. I've been apart of Paidbizopmail for about a month. I've been in tasias about a month. I stated that I've made about $0.35 cents each in Webewebin and Linkburst for the past 2 weeks. I never gave specific dates... nor was that the point of the thread. THE POINT WAS HOW LITTLE THESE PROGRAMS WHERE MAKING ME. If you wanted specific dates... I would have gave them to you. Sorry if i don't keep 100% accurate dates when I signed up.

Like I said before I have not cheated. Nor did I ever claim that you did either. But if you're so defensive about it... maybe you did.
kimberley49
There is a HUGE difference between "a month" and "nine days". A very HUGE difference.

Now, in dog years, nine days may be a month, but not in human years. Which are you?

If you signed up 9 days ago and have already made $0.50, with no referrals, then ###### are you complaining about? If you expect to get rich doing this, then you need to get out now; and if you think being a program owner is going to get you rich, you're delusional. You did state that you have a 6 figure income...maybe you should use some of that income on therapy? Just a suggestion.

--Kimberley
daredevil_2010
Here's my proof:

1) http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...1&t=28389&st=15

I orginally state I have been in Webe and Linkburst for about a month. but NOTICE in my second post in this thread I state 2-3 weeks. That's about right. I'm a busy person and i can't keep the 100% accurate time frame. I guess that means I'm a cheater according to you since I didn't put the dates in my Palm Pilot.

2) In a different thread about several days ago I wrote that I had earned about $11-13 dollars in PaidbizOpMail. Good search through my previous links.

That's proof. You're "proof" is based on garbage.
Brianlfc
1) QUOTE FROM YOU:

QUOTE
Posted: Jan 2 2003, 02:12 AM ?Senior Members

Group: Members
Posts: 112
Member No.: 6619
Joined: 2-January 03

Is paidBizOpMail a scam because they deleted your account or is there another reason? I've been a member at that site for 2-3 weeks now. On their main page they stated that they kicked off almost 20,000 accounts for "cheating". I hope they don't kick me off, but since I don't really have any referrals... what;s the point?

Any other good sites I should join? ?


Dated Jan 2nd you say "I've been a member at that site for 2-3 weeks now" RIGHT?

Then how come the downline thread shows you only "supposedly" signed on Jan 3rd?

QUOTE
?Posted: Jan 3 2003, 08:50 PM ?

Senior Members

Group: Members
Posts: 113
Member No.: 6619
Joined: 2-January 03

cmi under yursa

next plz:
http://www.paidbizopmail.com/?r=daredevil

This post has been edited by daredevil_2010 on Jan 3 2003, 08:58 PM ?


Anyone can check these posts to see the proof!

Thats the FIRST instance of you Cheating

Oh and even on the downline thread you quote:

QUOTE
Posted: Jan 23 2003, 03:42 AM ?

Senior Members

Group: Members
Posts: 113
Member No.: 6619
Joined: 2-January 03

boycotted? Where do I find this out?

Interesting. I'm sort-of close to payment. I'll let you guys know what happens.

This post has been edited by daredevil_2010 on Jan 23 2003, 03:59 AM ?


So you mean you were "I'm sort-of close to payment" in TWENTY DAYS? You must have a HUGE downline then, as I was a member for about six months and only earned about $10!

I think just this thread proves what a BS'er you are, so please don't make me come up with more evidence to make you look silly!
Brianlfc
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:57 AM)
There is a HUGE difference between "a month" and "nine days". A very HUGE difference.

Now, in dog years, nine days may be a month, but not in human years. Which are you?

If you signed up 9 days ago and have already made $0.50, with no referrals, then ###### are you complaining about? If you expect to get rich doing this, then you need to get out now; and if you think being a program owner is going to get you rich, you're delusional. You did state that you have a 6 figure income...maybe you should use some of that income on therapy? Just a suggestion.

--Kimberley

Kimberley I have him anyway, as I've found him quoting he's "nearly at payout on PaidBizOpScam" on the January 2nd

YET

He didn't join the downline thread until January 3rd


DareDevil what you don't realise is, EVERY comment you've made on this forum is all there in records and you have CONSTANTLY contradicted yourself time and time again, jeeze are you sure your name isn't Bob ac.gif

Not as bright as we make out, are we DareDevil?
kimberley49
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley
daredevil_2010
Like I keep telling you, when I signed up here on January 1, 2003 that's about the same time I signed up for PaidbizopMail. Maybe "about the same time" means several minutes for you... but for me it means several weeks. Sorry, if I'm not following your timeline, but that doesn't mean I'm a cheater.

As i said before... I said I'm sort of near payout. And as i wrote before i have about $12-13 dollars right now. That's sort-of close to me. Given that I already made 50% of the minumim payout in a few weeks ... that's "sort-of" close. Of course Paidbizopmail gave me $5 to start of with. once again... you cannot say 'm a cheater just because "sort-of" means something different to you.

As i said before, contact any program that you want (Webe, Linkburst, CosmicWealth, tasias, Paid, etc... ), you can contact the Program Operator and they'll tell you who I signed for.

I'm still waiting for an apology.
kimberley49
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:12 AM)
Like I keep telling you, when I signed up here on January 1, 2003 that's about the same time I signed up for PaidbizopMail. Maybe "about the same time" means several minutes for you... but for me it means several weeks. Sorry, if I'm not following your timeline, but that doesn't mean I'm a cheater.

As i said before... I said I'm sort of near payout. And as i wrote before i have about $12-13 dollars right now. That's sort-of close to me. Given that I already made 50% of the minumim payout in a few weeks ... that's "sort-of" close. Of course Paidbizopmail gave me $5 to start of with. once again... you cannot say 'm a cheater just because "sort-of" means something different to you.

As i said before, contact any program that you want (Webe, Linkburst, CosmicWealth, tasias, Paid, etc... ), you can contact the Program Operator and they'll tell you who I signed for.

I'm still waiting for an apology.

You just DON'T get it do you?

You joined PaidBizOpScam on JANUARY 3RD or so you were supposed to have, the dates are there for EVERYONE to see!

Yet I have a comment dated on JANUARY 2ND where you stated you were "nearly at payout"

So if you joined on Jan 3rd, like you were supposed to have on the downline thread, then how can you be "near payout" on Jan 2ND?

Do you have a time-machine or something?

Jeeze, you are TOTALLY THICK aren't you?

An appology, Ok I'm sorry...........NOT aa.gif

Now go ahead, report me, I DARE you!

Just give up, as you're making a TOTAL FOOL of yourself
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:09 AM)
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley

I don't even know the exact dates when I signed up for Webewebin, but I would have to say about a week or 2. that's several weeks!!

Sorry but I'm a busy person and these minor details (i.e. when I signed up for a program) don't mean muhc to me. Maybe brian like to sit at his computer all day... but I'm busy. I can't keep track of everything. 10 days, 15 days, weeks, 2 weeks. Who gives a rats a$$? I don't. I've been flying almost non-stop for the past two months. From Florida, to New York, to california, to Pennsylvania, to North carolina, to Texas, to South carolina... do you actually think I keep exact track when I signed up for a $0.05 a day program when I'm spending hundreds of dollars a day on hotels, car rental, food and airplane tickets?!?

Yet all you have to do is contact the program operators for 100%. DO IT. If you're so sure I'm a cheater... just contact Webe, or Linkburst, or Tasias, or Cosmic, or whatever. that is the final proof.

So either do it... or write me an apology.
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:15 AM)
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley

Nine days is a week and a half. Somewhere between 1 and 2.

2 weeks = several weeks.
Zombie Master
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:49 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:09 AM)
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley

I don't even know the exact dates when I signed up for Webewebin, but I would have to say about a week or 2. that's several weeks!!

Sorry but I'm a busy person and these minor details (i.e. when I signed up for a program) don't mean muhc to me. Maybe brian like to sit at his computer all day... but I'm busy. I can't keep track of everything. 10 days, 15 days, weeks, 2 weeks. Who gives a rats a$$? I don't. I've been flying almost non-stop for the past two months. From Florida, to New York, to california, to Pennsylvania, to North carolina, to Texas, to South carolina... do you actually think I keep exact track when I signed up for a program?!?

Yet all you have to do is contact the program operators for 100%. DO IT. If you're so sure I'm a cheater... just contact Webe, or Linkburst, or Tasias, or Cosmic, or whatever. that is the final proof.

So either do it... or write me an apology.

You complained about WeBeWebin's payout being too high, yet willing to pay people 30 cents to signup under it.


http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry327616
Zombie Master
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:15 AM)
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley

Nine days is a week and a half. Somewhere between 1 and 2.

2 weeks = several weeks.

No, 2 weeks is 2 weeks. Or if you are in places like Australia we call it a couple of weeks. Several weeks is 3+ weeks.
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:23 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:49 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:09 AM)
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley

I don't even know the exact dates when I signed up for Webewebin, but I would have to say about a week or 2. that's several weeks!!

Sorry but I'm a busy person and these minor details (i.e. when I signed up for a program) don't mean muhc to me. Maybe brian like to sit at his computer all day... but I'm busy. I can't keep track of everything. 10 days, 15 days, weeks, 2 weeks. Who gives a rats a$$? I don't. I've been flying almost non-stop for the past two months. From Florida, to New York, to california, to Pennsylvania, to North carolina, to Texas, to South carolina... do you actually think I keep exact track when I signed up for a program?!?

Yet all you have to do is contact the program operators for 100%. DO IT. If you're so sure I'm a cheater... just contact Webe, or Linkburst, or Tasias, or Cosmic, or whatever. that is the final proof.

So either do it... or write me an apology.

You complained about WeBeWebin's payout being too high, yet willing to pay people 30 cents to signup under it.


http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry327616

Yes, I was playing people $0.35 to sign up for Webe and Linkburst. But that was a day or two ago... before I realized (and complaied) how little these programs where making me. That's why all my new Referral Exchange posts are for Tasias and CosmicWealth. These programs make somewhat decent money (relatively).
amysrewards4mail
Someone pass the popcorn ab.gif
Zombie Master
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:16 PM)
1) PaidbizOpMail - never stated I was there for 3 months. I only have about $13 in PaidbizOpMail. Nowhere near cashout. never claimed to be near cashout. I might have said when I cash out I'll see if they pay me.

You did say you had been with them 3 months, right in the same thread as the program was being promoted

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

QUOTE
daredevil_2010 Posted: Jan 23 2003, 01:33 PM  



Senior Members


Group: Members
Posts: 116
Member No.: 6619
Joined: 2-January 03



Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.

next:

http://www.paidbizopmail.com/?r=daredevil


This post has been edited by daredevil_2010 on Jan 23 2003, 01:33 PM
Zombie Master
QUOTE (amyszoo @ Jan 29 2003, 05:57 PM)
Someone pass the popcorn ab.gif

*passes the popcorn*
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:19 AM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:09 AM)
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley

I don't even know the exact dates when I signed up for Webewebin, but I would have to say about a week or 2. that's several weeks!!

Sorry but I'm a busy person and these minor details (i.e. when I signed up for a program) don't mean muhc to me. Maybe brian like to sit at his computer all day... but I'm busy. I can't keep track of everything. 10 days, 15 days, weeks, 2 weeks. Who gives a rats a$$? I don't. I've been flying almost non-stop for the past two months. From Florida, to New York, to california, to Pennsylvania, to North carolina, to Texas, to South carolina... do you actually think I keep exact track when I signed up for a program?!?

Yet all you have to do is contact the program operators for 100%. DO IT. If you're so sure I'm a cheater... just contact Webe, or Linkburst, or Tasias, or Cosmic, or whatever. that is the final proof.

So either do it... or write me an apology.

Oh forget it, its plain obvious you're in some sort of fantasy world and FACTS don't seem to be getting through to you!

You claim not to be on here much?

Tell you what, see your name on your profile?

Well click on it

Well this shows me you joined on January 2nd

Then go to the part that says "Find all posts by this member"

And you'll see a list of the ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE posts you've made on here, all dated and all show that you are on here VERY often!

They also lead to EVERY post you have made on here, so the trail of evidence is there for EVERYONE to see


As for this flying around the country? I suppose this goes with your "Job that pays six-figures"?


Well if you have a job that pays six figures

1) Why are you crting that you've only made 50 cents on WeBeWebin?

2) Why are you constantly cheating the downline thread?

3) Why are you constantly posting for referrals?

4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

5) Why did you say in a thread [I QUOTE YOU]
QUOTE
Why don't we just get real jobs and get paid $8 bucks an hour?


It seems VERY strange to me that a potential millionaire would either complain, cheat or want a job for $8 an hour!

So get real, you've been rumbled!

Still want that appology?

LOL, get real, I'll give you a chance to ADMIT what you've done and I won't report you and while you';re at it, I would like an appology for

1) Claiming I MUST be a cheat for PaidBizOpMail to close my account

2) Insulting my intelligence and actually asking me "how old am I"

3) For wasting my time trying to get through your THICK skull thats theres enough evidence on here to get your deleted in a second!
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:15 AM)
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley

Nine days is a week and a half. Somewhere between 1 and 2.

2 weeks = several weeks.

No, 2 weeks is 2 weeks. Or if you are in places like Australia we call it a couple of weeks. Several weeks is 3+ weeks.

You're right. 2 weeks is a "couple" and 3+ is "several". I had forgotten about these semantics. Eitherway, this gives Brian and kimberly no right to call me a cheater. I'm tired of dealing with this issue. As I said before... go to the source... and see who NOT cheating (i.e., me). I don't have the time to waste on a "proven" cheater such as brian (hey he got kicked off for cheating... according to Bob Bowen).
kimberley49
Here is what I was taught in 3rd grade.

2 is a couple (as in a couple of weeks).
3 or more is several.

At least, that's how it used to be. Maybe it's changed in the past 17 years.

--Kimberley
amysrewards4mail
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:31 AM)
QUOTE (amyszoo @ Jan 29 2003, 05:57 PM)
Someone pass the popcorn  :D

*passes the popcorn*

Thank you. Yummy....now back to this action flick! be.gif
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:29 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:16 PM)
1) PaidbizOpMail - never stated I was there for 3 months. I only have about $13 in PaidbizOpMail. Nowhere near cashout. never claimed to be near cashout. I might have said when I cash out I'll see if they pay me.

You did say you had been with them 3 months, right in the same thread as the program was being promoted

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

QUOTE
daredevil_2010 Posted: Jan 23 2003, 01:33 PM ?



Senior Members


Group: Members
Posts: 116
Member No.: 6619
Joined: 2-January 03



Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.

next:

http://www.paidbizopmail.com/?r=daredevil


This post has been edited by daredevil_2010 on Jan 23 2003, 01:33 PM

I guess i did state three months. That is a plain mistake. i don't know why I wrote this. I don't have $20 in my account. i have about $13. Must have been tired that day.
Zombie Master
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:01 PM)
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:15 AM)
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley

Nine days is a week and a half. Somewhere between 1 and 2.

2 weeks = several weeks.

No, 2 weeks is 2 weeks. Or if you are in places like Australia we call it a couple of weeks. Several weeks is 3+ weeks.

You're right. 2 weeks is a "couple" and 3+ is "several". I had forgotten about these semantics. Eitherway, this gives Brian and kimberly no right to call me a cheater. I'm tired of dealing with this issue. As I said before... go to the source... and see who NOT cheating (i.e., me). I don't have the time to waste on a "proven" cheater such as brian (hey he got kicked off for cheating... according to Bob Bowen).

Actually you are cheating if you have been with a program for 3 months. You said this yourself with your own fingers.

As Bob showing proof of Brian being a cheater, he's NOT done any such thing, all he's done is proven that Brian uses the same proxies as other users on that program.

Bob has already been proven to be a scammer, so what ever he says is water off a ducks back. In other words Bob's words mean cr4p.
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:31 AM)
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 05:52 PM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:15 AM)
How does nine days translate into several weeks? Nine days is more like about a week, not several weeks.

--Kimberley

Nine days is a week and a half. Somewhere between 1 and 2.

2 weeks = several weeks.

No, 2 weeks is 2 weeks. Or if you are in places like Australia we call it a couple of weeks. Several weeks is 3+ weeks.

You're right. 2 weeks is a "couple" and 3+ is "several". I had forgotten about these semantics. Eitherway, this gives Brian and kimberly no right to call me a cheater. I'm tired of dealing with this issue. As I said before... go to the source... and see who NOT cheating (i.e., me). I don't have the time to waste on a "proven" cheater such as brian (hey he got kicked off for cheating... according to Bob Bowen).

LOL, READ WHAT I'VE JUST POSTED THICK SKULL!

Well I come to think of it, you seem to have the same mentality as Bob Bowen, are you sure you're not HIM on here to wind me up, as thats what you done the second you came to this board!
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (brianlfc @ Jan 29 2003, 02:31 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:19 AM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:09 AM)
How about this post in the WeBeWebin folder in referral exchange:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your post on Jan 28 2003, 07:09 PM:

$0.50 for Webewebin is too high. I've been a member for several weeks with about 6 direct referrals and I only have $0.35 total. I can make $0.35 at Tasia's in about 40 minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click here if you need to remind yourself:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=&#entry335744

--Kimberley

I don't even know the exact dates when I signed up for Webewebin, but I would have to say about a week or 2. that's several weeks!!

Sorry but I'm a busy person and these minor details (i.e. when I signed up for a program) don't mean muhc to me. Maybe brian like to sit at his computer all day... but I'm busy. I can't keep track of everything. 10 days, 15 days, weeks, 2 weeks. Who gives a rats a$$? I don't. I've been flying almost non-stop for the past two months. From Florida, to New York, to california, to Pennsylvania, to North carolina, to Texas, to South carolina... do you actually think I keep exact track when I signed up for a program?!?

Yet all you have to do is contact the program operators for 100%. DO IT. If you're so sure I'm a cheater... just contact Webe, or Linkburst, or Tasias, or Cosmic, or whatever. that is the final proof.

So either do it... or write me an apology.

Oh forget it, its plain obvious you're in some sort of fantasy world and FACTS don't seem to be getting through to you!

You claim not to be on here much?

Tell you what, see your name on your profile?

Well click on it

Well this shows me you joined on January 2nd

Then go to the part that says "Find all posts by this member"

And you'll see a list of the ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE posts you've made on here, all dated and all show that you are on here VERY often!

They also lead to EVERY post you have made on here, so the trail of evidence is there for EVERYONE to see


As for this flying around the country? I suppose this goes with your "Job that pays six-figures"?


Well if you have a job that pays six figures

1) Why are you crting that you've only made 50 cents on WeBeWebin?

2) Why are you constantly cheating the downline thread?

3) Why are you constantly posting for referrals?

4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

5) Why did you say in a thread [I QUOTE YOU]
QUOTE
Why don't we just get real jobs and get paid $8 bucks an hour?


It seems VERY strange to me that a potential millionaire would either complain, cheat or want a job for $8 an hour!

So get real, you've been rumbled!

Brian,


ever hear of a laptop computer? I have two of them... I Compaq Presario and a Toshiba. They're pretty neat... they're small enough to take for traveling. They even have a thing called a modem that I can use to hook up to the internet. It allows me to read my email and use the internet any where I go. It's a miracle!!
Well if you have a job that pays six figures

1) Why are you crying that you've only made 50 cents on WeBeWebin?

It's a hobby. Like I said I don't need the money. I do this as a hobby. But I don't want to waste my time for just $0.50.

2) Why are you constantly cheating the downline thread?

Prove it by contacting the program operators.

3) Why are you constantly posting for referrals?

Isn't this what you're supposed to do?

4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

They didn't close my account, because I didn't cheat (unlike some other people).
Brianlfc
[quote=daredevil_2010,Jan 29 2003, 07:34 AM][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I guess i did state three months. That is a plain mistake. i don't know why I wrote this. I don't have $20 in my account. i have about $13. Must have been tired that day.[/quote]
Yeah, must have been all that travelling around the globe hey?

The fact of the matter is

You commented that you were near pay out

THE DAY BEFORE you joined!

Enoguh said, I'm tired and I'm off to bed and I just can't wait to see what you've posted by tomorrow!

I think you share spades with bob Bowen, as you constantly dig the same holes you can't get out as he does!

ROTFLMFAO....This is getting toooooooo funny to be true!
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:41 AM)
ever hear of a laptop computer? I have two of them... I Compaq Presario and a Toshiba. They're pretty neat... they're small enough to take for traveling. They even have a thing called a modem that I can use to hook up to the internet. It allows me to read my email and use the internet any where I go. It's a miracle!!
Well if you have a job that pays six figures

1) Why are you crying that you've only made 50 cents on WeBeWebin?

It's a hobby. Like I said I don't need the money. I do this as a hobby. But I don't want to waste my time for just $0.50.

2) Why are you constantly cheating the downline thread?

Prove it by contacting the program operators.

3) Why are you constantly posting for referrals?

Isn't this what you're supposed to do?

4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

They didn't close my account, because I didn't cheat (unlike some other people).

Yeah, yeah, dream on fantasy boy

I'm off to bed now to have REAL dreams, not some twisted dreams concocted up by a habitual liar like yourself!

Anyway, how did you buy the lap-tops when you said you wanted a job for $8 an hour ac.gif

Night, night, sweet dreams dreamer boy!
Zombie Master
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:11 PM)
4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

They didn't close my account, because I didn't cheat (unlike some other people).

That's where you cant prove, unless you are Bob.

Bob as was said closed accounts because they had the same signup IP.

He doesnt know what proxies are.

Also, I dont believe that lie about you being tired when you made that post.

The time on that post you made at 1:33pm makes it in the afternoon (USA) / Evening (Europe)
kimberley49
How is this...

Posted on January 1 by Daredevil--

Hello All.

I'm brand new to this type of thing. I just recently signed up with the above mentioned sites (see signature) and I was wondering if anyone had opinions on these two sites. PaidBizOpMail seems pretty nice. I like the fact that emails are $0.05 and they have about 20 banners that I can click on everyday. I was thinking about joing their Gold Premier Plan, but it costs $24. Are tehse plans worth it?

What about PayingEmails? Small site. I don't think I'll every make enough to collect, but I like the owner. She's really nice.

Finally, I'm probably going to sign up with 1-2 more sites. Which ones are good? I'm also willing to sign up under somebody here. I'm a good person to refer since I always click on my emails and stuff. But you have to promise me that you'll sign up under my accounts. Thanks



Follow the thread:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=1&t=23764&hl=

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, posted in the downline builder on January 3rd by Daredevil:

Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.
<end quote of post>

(after claiming to have just joined up on January 3rd).


Follow thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--Kimberley
Brianlfc
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 07:47 AM)
Also, I dont believe that lie about you being tired when you made that post.

The time on that post you made at 1:33pm makes it in the afternoon (USA) / Evening (Europe)

Ahh but Jaikula, you forget, he's such a busy person flying the country all day and working for a six-figure income ac.gif
Brianlfc
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 07:49 AM)
How is this...

Posted on January 1 by Daredevil--

Hello All.

I'm brand new to this type of thing. I just recently signed up with the above mentioned sites (see signature) and I was wondering if anyone had opinions on these two sites. PaidBizOpMail seems pretty nice. I like the fact that emails are $0.05 and they have about 20 banners that I can click on everyday. I was thinking about joing their Gold Premier Plan, but it costs $24. Are tehse plans worth it?

What about PayingEmails? Small site. I don't think I'll every make enough to collect, but I like the owner. She's really nice.

Finally, I'm probably going to sign up with 1-2 more sites. Which ones are good? I'm also willing to sign up under somebody here. I'm a good person to refer since I always click on my emails and stuff. But you have to promise me that you'll sign up under my accounts. Thanks



Follow the thread:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=1&t=23764&hl=

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, posted in the downline builder on January 3rd by Daredevil:

Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.
(after claiming to have just joined up on January 3rd).


Follow thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--Kimberley

LOL...

Hey Kimberley, isn't it slightly suspicious that this person arrived on THIS forum, telling us how wonderful PaidBizOpScam is, just when all the trouble with Bob started on here?

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Oh well, no doubt he'll come back saying he was tired when he posted that comment as well, you know you've gotta feel sorry for him haven't you?

He must work awfully hard to get that "Six-figure" income

Thats unless

He IS Bob, as Bob certainly made a six-figure income out of us lot!

Anyway, off to bed now, catchya all tomorrow aa.gif
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (Jaikula @ Jan 29 2003, 02:47 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 06:11 PM)
4) Why are you bothered if PaidBizOpScam closed you account?

They didn't close my account, because I didn't cheat (unlike some other people).

That's where you cant prove, unless you are Bob.

Bob as was said closed accounts because they had the same signup IP.

He doesnt know what proxies are.

Also, I dont believe that lie about you being tired when you made that post.

The time on that post you made at 1:33pm makes it in the afternoon (USA) / Evening (Europe)

Sorry but Bob Bowen has far more proof than Brian will ever have. I don't know anything about all this IP business... that's not my field. He probably got rid of Brian just for his big mouth. hahaha. I would.

Can't trust the clock... I never adjusted mine until about a week ago. I didn't know how until a week ago. Yet even 1:00 in the afternoon can be a very tiring time if you're traveling a lot. Let's see in early january i was in Western Florida, Miami, tampa, Pittsburgh, Knoxville (tennessee), Charleston (South Carolina). I actually drove from Pittsburgh to Tennessee to South carolina to Florida. That's tiring no matter what time it is.

Plus in my field of work we typically work 100+ hours a week. I'm tired all the time.
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:49 AM)
How is this...

Posted on January 1 by Daredevil--

Hello All.

I'm brand new to this type of thing. I just recently signed up with the above mentioned sites (see signature) and I was wondering if anyone had opinions on these two sites. PaidBizOpMail seems pretty nice. I like the fact that emails are $0.05 and they have about 20 banners that I can click on everyday. I was thinking about joing their Gold Premier Plan, but it costs $24. Are tehse plans worth it?

What about PayingEmails? Small site. I don't think I'll every make enough to collect, but I like the owner. She's really nice.

Finally, I'm probably going to sign up with 1-2 more sites. Which ones are good? I'm also willing to sign up under somebody here. I'm a good person to refer since I always click on my emails and stuff. But you have to promise me that you'll sign up under my accounts. Thanks



Follow the thread:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=1&t=23764&hl=

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, posted in the downline builder on January 3rd by Daredevil:

Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.
<end quote of post>

(after claiming to have just joined up on January 3rd).


Follow thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--Kimberley

Your posts proves that being "signed up for three months and having $20" was mistake on my part, because the day before I wrote I just signed up recently to PaidBizOpMail.

Thanks Kimberely for finding this.
Brianlfc
QUOTE
Sorry but Bob Bowen has far more proof than Brian will ever have. I don't know anything about all this IP business... that's not my field. He probably got rid of Brian just for his big mouth. hahaha. I would.


Really? Thats interesting that you say "Sorry but Bob Bowen has far more proof than Brian will ever have" how would you know?

And yes you would dislike my "Big Mouth" as my "Big Mouth" has proved time and time again that you come out with BS, you're a cheat and a general waste of space!

QUOTE
Can't trust the clock...


Sorry, but could I re-phrase that...We CAN'T trust you!

Still wanna own a GPT site? LOL, sorry but no-one would touch your site with a barge-pole!
Brianlfc
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 08:00 AM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 02:49 AM)
How is this...

Posted on January 1 by Daredevil--

Hello All.

I'm brand new to this type of thing. I just recently signed up with the above mentioned sites (see signature) and I was wondering if anyone had opinions on these two sites. PaidBizOpMail seems pretty nice. I like the fact that emails are $0.05 and they have about 20 banners that I can click on everyday. I was thinking about joing their Gold Premier Plan, but it costs $24. Are tehse plans worth it?

What about PayingEmails? Small site. I don't think I'll every make enough to collect, but I like the owner. She's really nice.

Finally, I'm probably going to sign up with 1-2 more sites. Which ones are good? I'm also willing to sign up under somebody here. I'm a good person to refer since I always click on my emails and stuff. But you have to promise me that you'll sign up under my accounts. Thanks ?



Follow the thread:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=1&t=23764&hl=

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, posted in the downline builder on January 3rd by Daredevil:

Doesn't anyone want to join this Program? I've made almost $20.00 in 3 months.
<end quote of post>

(after claiming to have just joined up on January 3rd).


Follow thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...4&t=2914&st=210

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


--Kimberley

Your posts proves that being "signed up for three months and having $20" was mistake on my part, because the day before I wrote I just signed up recently to PaidBizOpMail.

Thanks Kimberely for finding this.

Yep a BIG mistake on your part, as thats what tell us you're a lying cheat

Good Night! BOB!!!
daredevil_2010
I've had enough with this subject. I just found out that you only make at most several hundreds of dollars a month in this business. That's not worth the hassle of dealing with people like Brian. Heck, I'd pay people to get rid of Brian.

Brian,

If you're man enough... you'll contact Webe, Link, Paidbiz, etc and see who I signed up under. That's real proof. Not all this mumbo jumbo about days, weeks, months, etc... that's just useless gibber-jabber.

man enough? i doubt it. Stay off the drugs and don't drop out of school just yet, Brian.
kimberley49
I'm beginning to think he is Bob. It is just too suspicious that he showed up when all he** was breaking loose. He is the ONLY person that is defending PaidBizOpMail. I guess he is the ONLY member of that site that isn't cheating?

Hmmmmm.

Glad I could be of help. After all, you posted on January 1 that you were a recently signed up member, then 2 days later you put your ref link in the downline builder, then you state that you've been a member for 3 months...I don't think it was a mistake.

Maybe you were LYING about the $20 in order to get more referrals, but I really don't think it was a mistake.

--Kimberley
kimberley49
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 04:05 AM)
I've had enough with this subject. I just found out that you only make at most several hundreds of dollars a month in this business. That's not worth the hassle of dealing with people like Brian. Heck, I'd pay people to get rid of Brian.

Brian,

If you're man enough... you'll contact Webe, Link, Paidbiz, etc and see who I signed up under. That's real proof. Not all this mumbo jumbo about days, weeks, months, etc... that's just useless gibber-jabber.

man enough? i doubt it. Stay off the drugs and don't drop out of school just yet, Brian.

You say this, because you know that with the privacy statements the sites have, they aren't going to tell anyone who signed up under anyone else.

All they will do is tell the person who should have you under them whether or not you are there.

As for contacting PaidBizOp, you know very well that he won't respond to any emails sent, so there won't be any way of finding out who you are signed up under there.

--Kimberley
daredevil_2010
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 03:11 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 04:05 AM)
I've had enough with this subject. I just found out that you only make at most several hundreds of dollars a month in this business. That's not worth the hassle of dealing with people like Brian. Heck, I'd pay people to get rid of Brian.

Brian,

If you're man enough... you'll contact Webe, Link, Paidbiz, etc and see who I signed up under. That's real proof. Not all this mumbo jumbo about days, weeks, months, etc... that's just useless gibber-jabber.

man enough? i doubt it. Stay off the drugs and don't drop out of school just yet, Brian.

You say this, because you know that with the privacy statements the sites have, they aren't going to tell anyone who signed up under anyone else.

All they will do is tell the person who should have you under them whether or not you are there.

As for contacting PaidBizOp, you know very well that he won't respond to any emails sent, so there won't be any way of finding out who you are signed up under there.

--Kimberley

That's not right, because I can see everybody's name in my downline for Tasias and PaidbizOpmail. I contact Program Owners all the time to make sure someone has signed up under me. Heck, contact the person who I signed up under in the Downline builder and ask them to contact the Program Owner. i don't care, because th answers will be all the same: Daredevil will be there.

Finally, "thinking" doesn't seem to be your strong suit. if it was, you'd wouldn't be here trying to scrape by for nickels and dimes. That's probably the main reason why I'm thinking about dumping all this. Just wasting my time for pennies.
kimberley49
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 04:20 AM)
QUOTE (kimberley49 @ Jan 29 2003, 03:11 AM)
QUOTE (daredevil_2010 @ Jan 29 2003, 04:05 AM)
I've had enough with this subject. I just found out that you only make at most several hundreds of dollars a month in this business. That's not worth the hassle of dealing with people like Brian. Heck, I'd pay people to get rid of Brian.

Brian,

If you're man enough... you'll contact Webe, Link, Paidbiz, etc and see who I signed up under. That's real proof. Not all this mumbo jumbo about days, weeks, months, etc... that's just useless gibber-jabber.

man enough? i doubt it. Stay off the drugs and don't drop out of school just yet, Brian.

You say this, because you know that with the privacy statements the sites have, they aren't going to tell anyone who signed up under anyone else.

All they will do is tell the person who should have you under them whether or not you are there.

As for contacting PaidBizOp, you know very well that he won't respond to any emails sent, so there won't be any way of finding out who you are signed up under there.

--Kimberley

That's not right, because I can see everybody's name in my downline for Tasias and PaidbizOpmail. I contact Program Owners all the time to make sure someone has signed up under me. Heck, contact the person who I signed up under in the Downline builder and ask them to contact the Program Owner. i don't care, because th answers will be all the same: Daredevil will be there.

Finally, "thinking" doesn't seem to be your strong suit. if it was, you'd wouldn't be here trying to scrape by for nickels and dimes. That's probably the main reason why I'm thinking about dumping all this. Just wasting my time for pennies.

There it is, the personal attack I was waiting for.

Did you read what I said...The person who is your referrer could get the information, but not Brian, not me. Yes, you can see all your referrals in Tasias and PaidBizOp, but that is because YOU referred them. You know who's supposed to be there.

The webmasters aren't just going to go around telling anybody who asks who so-and-so is signed up under.

As for the "thinking" remark... yeah, thinking's not my strong suit. That's how I run 2 websites, go to school, and hold a full-time off line job. Because thinking's not my strong suit.

You, on the other hand, just have a full-time job, yet you can't remember if you signed up for a program last week or 3 months ago.

You're funny, you know that. You should be a comedian. I'm not kidding. I laughed out loud when I read that remark.

Dump it. We won't miss you (well, maybe the laughter). You and your 6 figure income won't miss the "pennies". Quit thinking about it and just do it.

--Kimberley
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