linksforcash
Jan 28 2003, 01:53 PM
Hello be on the lookout for what is going to be a verry good money earner from the makers of linksforfreecash.
Our new site will be a "paidlinks" site much like linburst, we be webbin, and others. AND ours will have a few differences that will make it worth EVERYONES time to join and upgrade!
YEH thats right I said UPGRADE! I cannot say much, but here are a few of the qualities WE will have that OTHERS do not.........................
FREE members cashout at $50 (WHAT FIFTY DOLLARS!!??!!??) Yep that is right, $50. but not to worry free members, we WILL make it possible to reach this in a VERY REASONABLE time! we expect free members to be able to cashout within 90 days from the time they join.
SILVER members cashout at $30 once again this should be very simple to attain. Silver members also enjoy 10 levels of referrals, a paid link of their own and more.
there are also going to be gold/platinum membership levels, these will have UNMATCHED benifits in the paid link industry.
I am the one who said " I want to change the pace the face, and the race. " This program IS going to accomplish all of these goals!
The face= The look and feel of other P2R sites. Take a look around, what do you see? A BUNCH of CAC/MEC. Our site(s) are hand written by a very talented webmaster.
The race= The "rush" to join programs FIRST. When members join our sites they wont need to worry about needing to hurry up and promote, cause this program might be dead in 2-3 months. WE ARE HERE TO STAY! You will NEVER see any of our sites on e-bay or other auctions houses.
The pace= Most programs seem to want to send links only some of the times, or they want to send you search links. That is not the way we work. We do everything in our power to bring advertisers to our site through the whole month, not just a few days here and there.
We have made it worth our members time to join LFFC, now we will make it MORE worth their time.
P.S. all members of LFFC will have the ability to keep their current downline, and move it over to our new program for a one time $2. If any current members see this post, please post your comments here.
linksforcash
Feb 3 2003, 04:40 AM
HERE IT IS......
sorry copied this from downline builder.
Hello, I dont need to post CMI, I own CWL.
your referrals ARE being traked!!
we DO see the complete referral table.
it simply is not showing on the members page, please let others know this as it is ONLY TEPORARY!!
thnx.
yeh, I knew peeps would raise an issue about the $50 payout. lol The plain and simple fact is, OUR links pay every 30 days, rather than just once much like all other paidlinks programs!!
How much better would you feel advertising at a site that moved your link to the top of the page every 30 days, rather than just letting it collect DUST? and we provide this extra service at NO EXTRA COST!
read a bit more into a site before jumping to conclusions.
lzlzlz
Feb 3 2003, 05:24 AM
I think the minmum payout is to high!
If you have no referrals and the value of every link only $0.005,I think it may spend morn than 3 years:)
usdollars
Feb 3 2003, 10:21 AM
$50 is too high - your program is being compared to the Gilby sites and WeBeWebin yet the popularity of these sites is the fact that they are either no or low minimum programs. Lowering your minimum payout will only improve your membership numbers. BTW it was very hard to even find the minimum payout amount - should be listed in the terms at least.
gregf2003
Feb 3 2003, 10:56 PM
so true us in all accounts.
Dirk2084
Feb 4 2003, 02:17 AM
when can we see our referrals?
Brenda@PJ
Feb 4 2003, 03:34 AM
why is this advertisement in here?
nanzie2000
Feb 4 2003, 08:25 AM
Good Morning,
I think the payout should be a little bit lower. I can never get refferals , and I can't afford to pay to upgrade on every program I work.
Nancy
honeymoney
Feb 4 2003, 08:59 AM
hmm the timer cuts off when this page loads so we dont get our 1/2 cent.
Getting 50.00 here is not gonna be easy at 1/2 cent a link in 3 months without a ton of referrals.
It's great for the advertisers not having to pay again but the clicking part is gonna take years.
And I agree if you are gonna compare with wbw or gilby you should lower your payments way down since gilby has no min and wbw has .50.
linksforcash
Feb 4 2003, 09:47 AM
EXCELLENT thank you for all your comments!!
I knew SOMEONE would eventually sit down and do the math. I was just wondering how long it would take.
The plain and simple fact is that we are trying to encourage upgrades, and if you look through the "read more" section on the front page you will see that FREE members get $2 per upgrade, and that it does not matter what the referrals upgrade to. Platinum members can earn $25 from SILVER upgrades!!
I AGREE we should lower the minimum payout! WE WANT to pay. If you look at our portfolio, we do have other programs that PAY!! If you are a member and u feel that we should lower the payout, then VOTE, I sent a newsletter (BTW SORRY for sending 5-6 in the first day lol but I wanted our membership to understand that referrals ARE traking, and you can tell by your earnings) with two email addresses one is yes@yaddsaadfs.com another is no@asffdkdld;.com (sorry outside voters cannot be allowed) just send a BLANK email to one of those addies.
Here is what the vote looks like, and it will be run again after 500 members.
If you feel we SHOULD take $30 from members earnings to upgrade to silver send email here
(click addy in email to vote)
Please be aware that if we do this there will be NO first payment. In other words after members earn $30 we will UPGRADE them, then they will have to wait to earn $30 MORE before they can request payout
(A note to GPF members $30 is the payout level of SILVER, this text is not in the poll email)
If you feel that we SHOULD NOT change the $50 payout email here
click addy in email to vote.)
The MAIN reason behind the $50 payout is because of the tremendos earnings potentail of this program. Stop to think about it, you will see the links every 30 days, you will BE PAID for the same links every 30 days. WHERE ELSE can this happen with no additional cost to advertisers?
That is what the current poll looks like. If you are a member and have an opinion then VOTE.
There are two ways to earn from clockworklinks earn from upgrades, and from surfing (in essence) Our site is traffic friendly, so it can be free to promote.
ok, now here is a tidbit of information I think I would eventually find somwhere in GPF anyways, and I want EVERYONE to know that we are not trying to "hide" we wil tell you like it is all of our sites are NO BS zones. Here is a statement I sent to our memebers in the last newsletter I sent.
Some of you that might have sat down and done the math for all of this may have figured out that in just a few months time we will be BEYOND BROKE nothing could be further from the truth, we are here to stay even in the event that we do payout 200% of what we take in we will still be here. There are many advantages to advertising with us, and even more advantages to becoming an upgraded member. When this site was devoloped, we knew right from the start it would cost US money in the long run, so we took extra steps to ensure our profit, as well as YOURS!! We will soon announce more programs. One traffic program, one downline club and an mlm program, so it would be wise to remember EVERYONE who upgrades gets automatic upgrades into ALL future programs we launch. (There is ONE small catch, you must be an upgraded member BEFORE the programs launch, otherwise everyone would join here, upgrade then get all upgrades free and it would be hard to calculate commisions. This will soon be posted on the main site under the FAQ page) Our new programs will take about a month or two to get time to create/implement.
If you read all of this, youre my hero!! ;-)
You guys/gals are STILL the greatest!!
And this is where we will ALL begin to make good money, here is what I didnt tell members in the newsletter (felt it was getting a little long winded :-()
The members that upgrade in other program will get a HIGH PAID (1-4 cents unsure still planning) link in CWL. This is something that we will divuldge in due time.
The whole purpose of ALL of our programs (linksforfreecash.com INC :-D) is as follows.
1- change the face The overall look and feel of other scripted programs
2- change the pace A lot of programs burn hot for a while, then more or less die (1000levels, cashforaction, to name a few.
3- change the race Most people feel that in order to earn real money from Paidto they must join early and click everything before it goes away.
I FEEL we have accomplished this with CWL, and we will do it all over with our future programs.
Thank you for taking the time to post your comments. Sorry GPF admin for doing this here but we are in the midst of moving to a new host and bunches of other things of that nature.
linksforcash
Feb 4 2003, 10:26 AM
server status............ this means slow load times people, sorry.
apache (1.3.27 (Unix)) failed
bind (9.2.1) failed
exim (exim-3.36-55_cpanel_antivirus) up
ftpd up
imap up
interchange failed
mysql (3.23.54) failed
syslogd up
webmail failed
Server Load 0.06 (1 cpu)
Memory Used 8.5 %
Swap 1 %
Disk sda6 (/) 32 %
Disk sda1 (/boot) 39 %
Disk sda8 (/home) 38 %
Disk sda7 (/tmp) 2 %
Disk sda2 (/usr) 53 %
Disk sda3 (/var) 40 %
uh oh, server failed :-( site is temp down :-(
AgeLessKitty
Feb 4 2003, 11:40 AM
So far so good..
Just one comment before I vote for yes or no on the $30 for the first month on the new members to Silver... if you are going to give that option to those that are new going to Silver, what about those that are Silver already that could go to Gold, or like in my case, I'm Gold, and if possible would love to upgrade to Platinum.. ?
All in all my vote to yes would be based on whomever is at one level and would like to use their first month's earning to be applied to upgrade, that they are able to.
Maybe just set it as a normal option within the stats or profile, where one could use their earnings to upgrade and that could be done only within the first 3 months, or maybe at anytime they want to use those funds towards upgrades.
Like first to Silver, then to Gold, and then to Platinum.
That way you know that at least the first 3 months out of most members would be for the program and from then on the rest is for the members.
It helps the program develop, and it helps the members grow within the program.
Just an idea...
You should not have to give a program money before you are able to make money.
It's a very simple concept. :-)
If you're going to use paid link programs, stick with those that have low payouts, it's the only way they're fair.
And yes, a $50 minimium is the same as not being able to make money for the average user.
oddjob
Feb 6 2003, 07:01 AM
I personally would like to stay free and make $50 when it's earned; working for x amount of time, only to "lose" my earnings because I'm being forced to upgrade, doesn't sit right with me at all.
Why not just have it an option to upgrade after earning $30?
Allow the member to decide... it's just like the option to keep on making money towards payout, or, buy advertising with ones earning along the way as offered by many GPTRs.
When I joined TPL, I "knew" I could get paid when I reached $20... now I lose everything when I reach $25... that wasn't what I signed up for.
In other words, right now, I "know" that you will pay me $50 when I have earned $50.
kingkano
Feb 6 2003, 04:08 PM
Okay I accept your challange. I can reach $50 in 90 days you say? I joined 2 days ago, so far got about 10 cents. So 88 days left to get the rest

fingers crossed.....
You do realise, that claim ($50 in 90 days) - you would need to be getting 111 links a day at 1/2 a cent to reach that payout? are you SURE you can make that? even with 10 refs thats still gotta be 40 links a day.
what was the result of that poll, are we forced to upgrade when we hit $30 now?? and then again to gold when we hit |$30 again, or we can cashout then?
thanks
kingkano
linksforcash
Feb 6 2003, 10:29 PM
QUOTE (kingkano @ Feb 7 2003, 06:08 AM)
Okay I accept your challange. I can reach $50 in 90 days you say? I joined 2 days ago, so far got about 10 cents. So 88 days left to get the rest

fingers crossed.....
You do realise, that claim ($50 in 90 days) - you would need to be getting 111 links a day at 1/2 a cent to reach that payout? are you SURE you can make that? even with 10 refs thats still gotta be 40 links a day.
what was the result of that poll, are we forced to upgrade when we hit $30 now?? and then again to gold when we hit |$30 again, or we can cashout then?
thanks
kingkano
First I want to thank you ALL for your comments.
Just like i tell you in the newletters, YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!
Secondly, I would like to say that I will never make ANY claims I cannot back up.
Yes it is true that currently all links are only worth 1/2 cent, and I have informed my partner about the error in the script that does not allow links to be set above 1/2 cent. It is being worked on right now, and sometime in the near future CWL members WILL begin to see more and MORE 2, 3, 4 and even !!5!! cent links. This is FAR above the current industry standard of a PATHETIC 1/10 cent (most times 1/100th)
I am not all talk, IF I say I will do something, then CONSIDER IT DONE!!!
CWL WILL HAVE MORE advertisers. We WILL HAVE an ssl connection. WE WILL HAVE an easy to remember domain (www.c-w-l.com ) WE WILL PAY any memeber that requests a payment 30 days after they do.
WE WILL allow upgraded members to have the same level in our new programs (given they upgrade BEFORE the new programs launch)
These things AND MORE WILL COME TO PASS.!!!
As far as minimum payments, we took a poll amoung memebers of CWL and released the results last nite.
The minimum payment will now be set to $30, and if you cant earn $30 from us in !!60!! days I'll wolfdown my CHAIR

jk.
We will always do our best to keep our memebers VERY VERY happy!! just ask any member of LFFC!!
orlafla
Feb 8 2003, 08:20 PM
I don't know if it's a program error, or there just aren't any links, but I have been unable to find any to click on the last two days.
As an advertiser is there any way for me to see stats on how many clicks my link is getting? I can't find it anywhere on the site.
Also, I'm using 800x600 resolution which is as high as my computer can handle. The sites pages are appearing so that I have to scroll left and right to see the page and there is a bunch of wasted white space on the left and top. Are the pages designed for a higher resolution or something? Can that be fixed? According to my server stats 800x600 is still the most common resolution in use (at least for the people who surf through my sites)
freeandeasy
Feb 8 2003, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (orlafla @ Feb 8 2003, 08:20 PM)
I don't know if it's a program error, or there just aren't any links, but I have been unable to find any to click on the last two days.
As an advertiser is there any way for me to see stats on how many clicks my link is getting? I can't find it anywhere on the site.
Also, I'm using 800x600 resolution which is as high as my computer can handle. The sites pages are appearing so that I have to scroll left and right to see the page and there is a bunch of wasted white space on the left and top. Are the pages designed for a higher resolution or something? Can that be fixed? According to my server stats 800x600 is still the most common resolution in use (at least for the people who surf through my sites)
Hey, Orlafla!
Glad to see you finally made it to GetPaidForum!
Welcome!
Jamesyung
Feb 11 2003, 02:48 AM
i think i will quit...
orlafla
Feb 12 2003, 08:46 AM
Please accept the following as constructive criticism and not griping.

With the way things are right now, it is fairly obvious that not only won't I (or probably any of us) make $30 during the first 3 months let alone the $50. (I'm up to a whole 8.275 cents.) The only way that it is going to happen is if you get some ads sold. And the only way to sell more ads is to have happy advertisers to testify.
After purchasing an ad to try it for myself, I do find it lacking in a few things which I hope you are planning on putting into the new site design.
It would really be great, and is almost imperitive that advertisers have some kind of stats so that they can monitor their ads. Simple things like how many clicks/day up to some more complicated things like how much their ad is currently worth to members and what page it's currently appearing on. As an advertiser, if I saw that my clicks per day were going down and that my link was down to .00002 and on page 10, I might be tempted to purchase a new link to get back at top. Without that information, I'm just likely to think that your program isn't working and move on to the competition to place my ads.
Just My Thoughts,
Orlafla
Jamesyung
Feb 12 2003, 09:32 AM
giving up now :ph34r:
linksforcash
Feb 14 2003, 02:36 AM
QUOTE (orlafla @ Feb 12 2003, 10:46 PM)
Please accept the following as constructive criticism and not griping.

And the only way to sell more ads is to have happy advertisers to testify.
After purchasing an ad to try it for myself, I do find it lacking in a few things which I hope you are planning on putting into the new site design.
It would really be great, and is almost imperitive that advertisers have some kind of stats so that they can monitor their ads. Simple things like how many clicks/day up to some more complicated things like how much their ad is currently worth to members and what page it's currently appearing on. As an advertiser, if I saw that my clicks per day were going down and that my link was down to .00002 and on page 10, I might be tempted to purchase a new link to get back at top. Without that information, I'm just likely to think that your program isn't working and move on to the competition to place my ads.
Just My Thoughts,
Orlafla

Excellent, see now it is because of members like you that actually take the time to write a comprehensive response like this that sites acn actually advance.
I never really put much thought into providing "stats" (with the exception of how many members we have) because it is clearly posted on the advertising page that an advertisers link will be displayed to our members once every 30 days AT NO EXTRA CHARGE, this was SUPPOSED to be the MAIN influence behind people wanting to advertise with us. If it were me running the ad, I would think it would be well worth the money to just set it and forget it. I run so many ads for other programs that it becomes more of a problem on a daily basis to track results from one single ad that I only track with "AD trackers" that way I place an ad at www.1234.. com, ect and I know who visited and when, just by viewing my ad stats.
But then again I guess that not everyone has the ablity to create these types of trackers.
OK then, that will be updated next. Here is the current list of updates to be done to the site.
1- ALL links will be placed on the front page.
2- ALL links will be worth AT LEAST 1/2 cent then after 30 days when displayed again will be worth 1/4 cent and will NEVER be worth less than 1/4 cent
3- URL will be much shorter www.c-w-l com
4- Depending on reply from the next vote voting will no longer be held.(almost 1% have voted for the move)
5- Advertisers will get tracking with details on country, browser and current value of link.
6- ALL pages will resize according to resolution settings.
7- Current member count will be displayed on the non-members pages, IE signup, advertisers, index, ect.
ALL of the above will be completed before we unlock the signup page.
We are also currently attempting to syncronise both www.clockwor... ....com with www. c-w-l . com so that both get updated at the same time, and so that members can USE both, in this way we haope to keep the site up 100%. c-w-l is hosted with the same provider on a DIFFERENT server ;-)
As I stated so clearly above, WE WILL SUCCEED, YOU WILL EARN THE AMOUNT WE CLAIM. we are EXTREMELY DEVOTED to our mutual success!
I would LOVE to see more members post ANYTHING here. complaints, compliments, ANYTHING. WE LOVE FEEDBACK.
You are still all really great.
BTW, the current member count is 400 We feel this number will go way up when we move to cwl. com for one thing it looks more profesional.
pointsaddict
Feb 16 2003, 10:59 PM
Have you up yoir minds about what you are going to do with the site yet? DO we lose our earnings so far and have to sign up for the new site/
AgeLessKitty
Feb 18 2003, 03:26 PM
Ok.. since you are asking I will tell you what I would like to see. I know this doesn't mean it will be done, or that there isn't a possibility that although you would like to have us see this, it might not be possible due to program restrictions or limits.
Now, many of us are not only members reading these ads, but also advertising. That is the reason for the following request:
As a member I would like to be able to track:
1.- How many refs are under me.
1a.- how many refs at what level.
1b.- how many refs are active, or not.
2.- How many ads I have seen
2a.- how much I have earned directly
2b.- how much I have earned from my referrals.
3.- My stats showing earring?s, received, paid, and/or pending to be paid.
As an advertiser I would like to be able to see:
1.- what offers are active before I post mine.
1a.- what offers are inactive.
2.- I would like to be able to track how my ad is doing.
As a member-advertising, I would like to be able to track all from my stats.
I would also like to be able to email my downline to get them to click on the ads, upgrade or even help them along the way.

you did say you wanted feed back..
All in all, thank you for your time and patience with all of us as you are creating and moving all this,

and we are making all kinds of request

specially mine.
Kitty
linksforcash
Feb 18 2003, 11:25 PM
Once again, VERY NICE POST. Thank you ageless!!
Most of what you mentioned has already been done to the new site. Here are a few things that we have yet to do, but mya in the future (This stems from you list)
1b.- how many refs are active, or not.
2.- How many ads I have seen
3.- My stats showing earring?s, received, paid, and/or pending to be paid. (OF COURSE this is included, but not with pending, ect ;-))
As an advertiser I would like to be able to see:
2.- I would like to be able to track how my ad is doing. (We are currently working on 3rd generation scripts, by this I mean that advertisers will be able to "see" what our members did. For example they will know if the members clicked anything on the advertisers site. we will also be able to track useage up to 2 pages away from said site. This will be in R&D for a while, so dont get too excited YET :-D)
You can now see the most recent advertisers, and what site they are advertising (up to 20 I think) We have emailed members about this being a new feature for the last week or so.
The site will soon re-open. HOPEFULLY within 8-10 hrs, we are just making ABSOLUTELY SURE that nothing will go wrong. To that end we are now TRIPLE CHECKING EVERYTHING. Very very sorry for the delay.
.............Ageless, please read and respond...........
Would you be willing to place a simple page, or forum for ONLY CWL members? I can not offer you anything as a reward except our thanks.
If anyone else reads this, and you feel you have the time and knowledge to accomplish this, please feel free to contact CWL support. thnx.
YOU ARE ALL STILL THE GREATEST!!
linksforcash
Feb 21 2003, 11:24 PM
This is a MUST READ for CWL members. Please read and follow instructions.
I have just noticed that the "news" emails I have been sending are BLANK. I am very sorry for this. but here is a temporary solution. please read.
SPECIAL RE-LAUNCH
The first 500 new members to join will get a 1/5 cent link with 100 visitors. Please send ads to support@c-w-l.com (be sure to include dashes) we will need a description, a link, a color, and highlight/italic/bold preferrance. If you would like more than 100 visitors see the advertising page and include a copy of your payment. ALL FREE ads will be removed in one month. ONLY paid ads will stay forever.
There is a current member count, so if you have a direct mailing list advertise the "free link" and you should
be able to get a few referrals.
broksababie
Feb 23 2003, 11:46 AM
well i was a member of this and visited daily, but now it says my passwords wrong and my email address doesnt exist...another one bites the dust eh??
Anna
linksforcash
Feb 23 2003, 01:07 PM
no need for the negetivity.
did you by chance even attempt to email support?
What is your email/username?
Did you happen to click "unsubscribe" rather than "logout"?
Slon
Feb 23 2003, 09:31 PM
SPAM DELETED
AgeLessKitty
Feb 24 2003, 08:15 AM
Hello everyone...
Sorry.. been away..
Need an update ..

what's this about "free link"...
.. and what about a

member count.. ?
I'm lost.. (not unusual) but lost :ph34r:
kia
Feb 24 2003, 08:46 AM
50 $ min payout ? ###### it is very bad i thought it is 5 or something
orlafla
Feb 24 2003, 12:01 PM
Can you open an email account for us to report bugs and/or suggestions?
Or provide another forum thread here?
The sponsor links on the front page (outside member area) are going to blanks.
The referral link is going directly to sign up form. Can it go to the front page instead so that people can see what it is they are signing up for?
Just my thoughts,
Orlafla
linksforcash
Feb 27 2003, 05:05 PM
We can do both of those.
We are currently looking for an individual to setup, and run a forum. Anyone that is interested please use the contact form on the site.
The payout IS NOT $50, it is $30. There was a poll taken at the old site as to whether or not to change the payout.
Futhermore, if you look at the FAQ page, you will see that ALL the payout levels have been lowered.
At the moment, we are having trouble with our webmaster console mailer (the toll we use to mail updates to members with) We hope to have this fixed before the weekend.
I stopped putting the free links up because of the issue with the front page. This is a GOOD thing for those of you having to wait to see your link. Here is why. It was explained that the FREE (NOT the paid) links would expire after 30 days, SO the longer we wait to put more FREE links up, the more FREE traffic you will get.
gtg for now, please keep up the posting. you guys/gals are STILL the greatest!!!
orlafla
Mar 1 2003, 04:41 PM
I sent you an offer on the forum, but haven't heard back from you.
orlafla
Mar 8 2003, 09:11 AM
Coming up on 30 days at the new site and I still haven't seen any of the new features that were promissed. Did your programmer totally walk out on you? I don't think there is going to be any chance of anyone hitting that minimum payout in 90 days whether it is $50 or $30 or even $10. I still haven't made a dollar and haven't seen a link on the site in over a week.
delstu
Mar 23 2003, 11:55 AM
Like kitty, I would very much like to see how much of my earnings come from referrals.
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