Wether it's boycotted or not, I am un-subbin. Won't be a part of any program where a web master/mistress advocates cheating ANYONE.

This webmistre is trying to cheat another program, AND her members. The other program owner's reply, and the original message are included

You do what you feel is right.



Sunday Jan 19th email from incentivemail

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SALE OF SPLOCC MEMBERSHIP WITH 69 REFERRALS!!
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I am selling my position (membership) at SPLOCC (www.splocc.com). The reason I am selling my membership is because I am fron Asia and SPLOCC no longer pays Asian members by paypal - they pay by paypal only to non-Asian members.

My current earnings and downline are as follows:

Paid Email Clickthrus: $7.1300
Your Referrals:
Tier 1: (38 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (27 Total Referrals)
Tier 3: (4 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $13.8700

Their payout remains the same - at $30 and you can redeem for paid to click ad at $10 and bottle neck ad at $5.

If you are interested, you can take over my membership for $28. Just send payment payment by paypal to evelyn@incentivemails.com (for credit card funded payments) or webmaster@incentivemails.com (for non-credit card funded paypal payments). Will also accept egold payments to account 597243.

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Mesage and reply from Splocc

Hello John,
Thank you for pointing this out for me.
I can't believe some people are doing this. It is definately not allowed. So sad.
I'm on it.

Thanks again.

Sploccmaster

Quoting :

> John Corley has a question:
>
> Is this Allowed?
>
> Just received an email ad in one of my programs... is this legal, or even
> possible??

here's the link to gptboycott as well

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...=&threadid=2022

also the fact this person is trying to sell it for more than whats even in the account@!

argh.

Thats Crazy
and form a webmaster to boot.....makes you wonder whats going on in her site..

God for that price you think the link value would be higher than the normal LESS than 1/4 Cent in her program if she is doing stuff like this

Thats almost as bad as sellling that Free random link rotator for $12

I am the webmaster of IncentiveMails and I have a few things to say about the stuff I am reading here.

Firstly, I don't think that selling my membership position at another GPTR is called "cheating".

Secondly, I do have my valid reasons of why I want to sell off my position at SPLOCC as I am from Singapore and Singapore is also an Asian country so when other Asians cheat, we are being dragged into it just because we are also a country in Asia. As you all should probably know by now that SPLOCC's webmaster is not paying Asian countries by paypal any longer due to the excessive cheating and instead, he is paying by check only to Asians. In Singapore, the banks here charge a very high comission rate to cashout checks in USD and I feel that it is not worth the high fees for me to remain as a member in SPLOCC as I have been paying for ads to advertise my ref link in SPLOCC that's why I have acquire quite a decent downline of 69 members.

I feel that a non Asian will benefit lots more if he/she were to take over my membership at SPLOCC (With the agreement of SPLOCC's webmaster) and to avoid losses for myself, I need to recover some money, that's why I am selling off this membership position.

You shouldn't call this cheating as there is no loss to SPLOCC's webmaster as my account balance when this new member takes over remains the same and furthermore, it would be easier for everyone if you can simply process things by paypal comes payday.

I really think that to stop cheaters, you can still continue to pay by paypal but the account has got to be a verified account.

That's all I have got to say for now.

Yeah, but why are you charging $28 for an account that has $13 in it?

Ok you have referrals, I have accounts with other sites with more than 60 referrals, but it will take 12 months or so to get $15 off them!

I'm sure you've probably made some of your money back for advertising others sites from the fact you charge people 30 cents to cashout of your own site

LMAO!! OMG Juliet! That's classic!

Sorry to have to put this in black and white. You may have your reasons for wanting to sell your account and they may be good ones but the facts are this:
1) the webmaster was obviously unaware of this and therefore you did not have permission

2) I am also a member of SPLOCC and know that according to the TOS you can not change your e-mail address

So, it is cheating in the very basest form.

YOU DO NOT have permission to do this so it will be considered a cheater account.

The better way to have handled this would have been to contact the webmaster first and ask their permission to do this.

There are reasons why webmasters have their TOS stating these things and anyone who truly does not want to be deemed a cheater would ask.

regardless of whether or not this is cheating, selling her account for more is her business. if she has 69 referrals under her, and they come with the account, so what? i have seen sites selling referrals for $1 a throw! and i think that is a ripoff, but who cares? it's up to them.

also, if this is a rule



god help the people who's isp goes under and they have to get a new email address. they've just lost their account then???

If you do something that breaches the Terms and Agreements (A CONTRACT) its considered cheating...its quite obvious from the owers of the sites point of view...that she neither was aware of this or approves of it

If a person chooses to sign up for this program and does not agree with the TOS their only recourse is to unsubscribe.

Any person who signs up and / or remains with the program after changes are made to the TOS they choose voluntarily to accept these same terms.

If a person decides that they are being treated unfairly they have only one choice...unsubscribe.

I have been a member of SPLOCC since day 1 and know that their terms regarding the email address being unchangeable has not been a new addition or a change to the old TOS so it is obvious to me that she knew about this when she signed up.

My only issue in this is that she DID NOT seek approval to sell her referrals first before offering them for sale.

This is clearly a violation of the TOS and as a webmistress herself she can not say that things would have been different if she had been the one to hear about this happening to one of her accounts if she had not been contacted first.

She is trying to say that the TOS are unfair, fine. I do not disagree, however, I do not think she has the right to sell something which does not belong to her.

If she were to unsubscribe from the program she would not be compensated so why should she be allowed to sell her referrals if she does not have permission.

All in all weather this was an error in judgement or not it reflects poorly on her ability to be a webmistress herself because as I see it she thinks the rules are for everyone else and not for her.

Yes, but that's the main problem, people spend their money promoting a program and a little bit down the road, they change their terms. I think this is poor business and don't tell me if you were spending money promoting a program, got yourself some referrals and then this happened to you, you wouldn't be a little ticked off. I know I would!! There has become way too many changes in terms in GPTRE over the last little while, it is getting ridiculous. And if I spend my money promoting a program that changes their TOS so that account is no longer any good to me why the he** should
they benefit off of my referrals for selling them for $1 each. I paid for those referrals and I should get the money for them. She should be allowed to sell her account. It's not her fault, they changed the terms to make remaining in that program a waste of her time.

if you read any terms of sites however...it does say.......the terms could change at any time and your only recourse is to unsubscribe if you do not agree with the terms.......and when you sign up you agree taht this is acceptabel to you by joining

Back to the main issue people

The Main point is that she can not sell her position in this program.

Even SHE states that this shouldn't even be attempted WITHOUT the OWNERS permission.

The owner did NOT even know she was trying this.

Therefore:

1: She is trying to sell what she does not own

2: Her account is Asian, the webmaster states in the TOS that it won't be paid except by check

3: Even if the person who buys this account CAN change the location of the account, it would be deleted for cheating!

So although it's sad that she can no longer be paid, she as a webmistress KNOWS how un-ethical it is to try cheating the webmaster of this program by selling HIS referrals, not hers.

She KNOWS how un-ethical it i to try recovering her losses by passing them on to someone else!

No matter how you look at it, it's just plain wrong.

It would be like me selling you 10 referrals in a program that i do not have! I get your money, you get nothing.

Would she condone her members selling their accounts just because they didn't feel like it was worth it anymore? NO.

This causes the webmaster to pay out more money by issuing referral earnings that are not rightfully earned.

We all want a big downline to get comissions, no faulting anyone there, It is our choice to PAY to advertise. There are alot of effective FREE ways to get results as well.

The PTR industry is a business, and like any business, you don't always succeed.

There are many OFFLINE companies (let's use coke and pepsi as an example) who have spent thousands on campaigns that have failed. Do you think THEY would get away with selling the results by giving the impression that YOU would make money from it?

If you remember that this IS A BUSINESS and run it as one, you WILL make money, it just takes lots of hard work.

yes, but when you join, it's worthwhile.

here's an example. i worked for a cosmetics co as sales and marketing assistant and while i was there i became pregnant. then they started asking me to fill in for merchandisers while they were on holidays, and that involved lifting boxes of shampoos up ladders without rails! they added to my terms of employment (which i knew could be a possibility from the start), but i didn't expect it would end my job! i wasn't putting myself or my baby at risk like that! so all that hard work for them and that's how they rewarded me?

i think the wm should have asked for members input first. maybe evelyn was out of line, or maybe she did have an agreement like she said and the wm didn't want others to know because it is against the terms of service? i don't know, but you guys come in here jumping and screaming, but like everyone keeps saying......did you ask her first???? or did you just scream cheat?

If you read the very first post you would see that the webmaster of SPLOCC knew nothing about this being done.

And if you read evelyn's response she also said she did not ask the owner first.

In this case why should john have had to ask her to explain herself first before posting it.

I do know that it was posted on her own forum as well as here.

She had plenty of opportunity to respond and explain.

Did you once read the word SCAM, I DID NOT so are you implying now that no one should make a public complaint about something they feel is wrong without waiting to here from the webmaster first?

I DON'T think so!!!

Evelyn made a choice, a bad one in this case. She now must live with it.

She is a webmaster herself and would not allow the same behaviour to go on in Incentive.

You know it, I know it, and she knows it.

She decided that because others sell their referrals all the time she would too.

No problem there except that she should have asked the webmaster first.

She did not.

She put another person at risk to lose their account because they would have become inactive.

If you can not change your email address and you sell your account the new account owner would get zero (0) mails and then become inactive.

That is the whole issue as I see it. She knew what she was doing and chose to ignore certain things or maybe just omit these facts from her statement about the account she was trying to sell.

Either way it was not up to her to decide to do this weather it is fair or not.

She accepted the terms just like everyone else.

If you don't like the terms don't join the program.

You can not moan and complain about changes that were not to your advantage when they are if you joined up.

I also agree about spending money promoting it. That too was her choice.

I would not be happy to lose that kind of money but I would not try to cheat to recover my losses.

so people emailed her first and let her know that selling her account isn't allowed, just in case she didn't read the tos? i know that is no excuse, but my point here is, did people let her know that's cheating before posting here?

First, yes she was notified.

Second, if she was not aware of the TOS she would not have stated so in her response so that is definately not an excuse.

Hello.
This is the webmaster of SPLOCC.com
This issue has been resolved between the Incentivemail webmaster and myself.
As per TOS you may not sell or transfer your account to another user.
While going through the support emails, I have received several complaints about someone selling a SPLOCC account. I was ready to delete the account when I noticed later on an email from the webmaster requesting if she could transfer the account to someone who has already bought the account.
First I must clear a misconception; I have not and am not banning "all" Asian countries. I stated that there is a lot of cheating from "particular" Asian countries, and if I see continued cheating, those countries may be banned in the future. For now, redemptions coming from those countries under my watch list will be paid by check, and need to provide additional information. I am not talking about the entire Asian continent. I do not know where in my TOS is stated that the Asian continent is banned. If someone could point that out to me it would be great.
Please be aware that the next person that sells or chooses to transfer their account to another member , I will have that account deleted regardless of who's the new owner. And if you bought that account...sorry to say, but it's your loss. Go after the person who sold it to you.
Nevertheless, the webmaster of Incentivemail explained her situation and although I do not condone it, I have agreed to transfer her account to the new person since he/she has already bought the account, and the webmaster claims to have spent more than $20 advertising the sale.
This case was an exception. I will no longer have mercy for any future acts of cheating regardless if you claim to "not have known" that it was cheating.

I do have to thank those members that emailed me about this situation. I would never have known if someone had not pointed it out to me. Thank you much!

FYI - I do not own Incentive Mails
Thank You I do not know who owns that one.

Search the domain name at this link:


http://www.register.com

http://www.nicregister.net

and check the whois - I am EVELYN TURNER and DO NOT OWN Incentive mails.



Second - concerning the selling of an account at EBAY - check the seller ID that is not me either. I have been a registered member with EBay since late 1997. I have recently decided to quit using hotmail and have my EBAY id transferred to my yahoo. I have had the same ID the entrie time I have not changed. So do check the actual person's name at EBay before you slam them for selling something.

The referrals I sell do not come from personal accounts PERIOD! I have a third party provider that I obtain the referrals from. That provider can be contacted as well for verification of the past purchases I have made from auction winners of the referral auctions. I have the transaction receipts - I keep them all for tax purposes.


Personally, I think the forums are a good place to spread rumors and lies and serve no real purpose other than to waste the time of innocent people who are being slammed here.

Many of you want to know what programs I own:

http://www.ClickBuxx.com - purchased in February 2003
http://www.ClickingMoney4U.com - my husband's program - purchased in March 2003
http://www.1stProfit.com - Gave to me in March 2003
http://www.SurForHits.com - in pre launch at this time purchased in March 2003
http://www.Cash-Kitty.com - in pre launch at this time - purchased in March 2003
http://www.FillMyAccount.com- purchased March 26, 2003
http://CashNClicks.com - purchased April 2003

http://www.TurnerServices.org - under construction
http://www.evelynturner.com - no site yet
http://www.evelynturner.net no site yet
http://www.DonDavisChevrolet.com investment but no site yet

These are the sites I personally own and are registered to me. This is it. So as you can see from above I have only recently acquired these sites - any previous problems you had as members should not be directed at me. I will gladly help you contact previous webmasters for issues you have with them, just don't take it out on me.

Now I have a lot of work to do with the sites above. I have updated scripts in some and am updating the rest as well. I have launched a massive advertising campaign to announce the new sites and new ownership of the sites, I am attempting to salvage the matrix from 1st Profit so the members who had joined that don't lose out. I am also dealing with the misinformed members of Fill My Account over confusion about another program they think I own.
Yes Evelyn is an odd name but it is not unique by any means. The definition of that name is "The Light of Life" and anyone who truly knows me as a person knows I am 100% for the member. If I was not why would I spend $99 per site of my own money to purchase Cash Crusader scripts to make the sites work better for YOU???

ET

Incentive Mails is registered to:


Tan Hui Pin evelyn@incentivemails.com

Tan Hui Pin


Singapore,Singapore,Singapore 730514

I have removed only the phone numberand street address of the registrant. As you can plainly see this is not me I live in Mississippi.

I am Evelyn Tan - Tan Hui Pin (my full chinese name) I am the owner of IncentiveMails in case you want to know. Just to further clarify that Evelyn Turner is a different person here. If any of you have questions or like to talk, appreciate that you email me directly at evelyn@incentivemails.com
(I do not always have time to pop in the forums. Hope all of you can understand.)

Another thing is, I do not know I was violating any rules when I was trying to sell my SPLOCC account-This is not sold on Ebay, only to my own IncentiveMails members. Anyway, till now nothing has been done about that account and as no further correspondence have been received from SPLOCC webmaster after I emailed the new member's particulars. I have informed and compensated the member who have paid me money for the SPLOCC account as nothing is done at all from SPLOCC webmaster. For everyone's info.

Same person?

[Yeah, but why are you charging $28 for an account that has $13 in it?

Ok you have referrals, I have accounts with other sites with more than 60 referrals, but it will take 12 months or so to get $15 off them!



C'mon man!
Webmasters are SELLING REFERRALS $ 1 BUCK A PIECE~
Others are selling referrals as a part of email auctions!
This wpman has done NOTHING WRONG!
What do YOU care what she charges?
YOU don't have to buy the package!
SPLOCC is no great program anyway!

People make mistakes. I tried to sell some Paradise bucks or something once, til the webmaster kindly pointed out that it wasn't allowed. I was SO embarrassed.

I do think that transferring should be possible with the permission of all involved. It would be nice to be able to do that.

But, since it isn't, it isn't.

Don't be too hard on someone... it looks like they all got it worked out just fine, so, perhaps moving on would be a good thing.

I also see very little difference in a webmaster selling referrals on their own program and transferring them for another member who has sold their referrals.